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*** It's canon. That was the Dream Machine, which created Subcon Land and dreams in general. Wart used it to create monsters and aid in his takeover, but the Dream Machine is sentient and rebelled when Mario and friends arrived, creating vegetables for them to use.
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** Part of it is, undoubtedly, the sheer complexity of the game. SMB3 gives you a lot of things to do; all kinds of crazy-different level designs, the sheer volume of different power ups and items to play with, hidden secrets like the treasure ships and the breakable rock in World 2, etc. It shouldn't be surprising that a game that goes out of its way to give something to everyone would be liked by pretty much everyone.
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** She's overlarge because that's just how boss fights are in the core Mario series. A sizeable portion of Mario bosses in the 3-D games are [[GiantMook Giant Mooks]]; without the convention of RPG game mechanics, it's just how they differentiate Mooks from bosses.
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** And while I'm no SMB3 fanboy (personally, I favor the RPGs and Galaxy), it doesn't sound like you gave SMB3 a fair chance. The way your argument is phrased, "satisfyingly irritating" in particular, looks like you went into SMB3 WANTING to hate it, which would naturally color your experience of it. Any game will be terrible if you're looking for reasons to dislike it.
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***** You've SEEN Peach's vagina during the credits?! Which game is THIS?!
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*** I figure it's Nintendo retaliating against all the questions about Luigi's inactivity in certain games, such as Mario RPG or Mario 64. "Fine, you want to know why Luigi wasn't there? It's because he's a WUSS. Take that answer."
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** It should also be noted that being TheMario at everything isn't exactly a profound statement. A MarySue is exceptionally talented at everything they do. Being TheMario, by definition, makes Mario mediocre at everything he does.
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*** "When was the last time we saw her not kidnapped," kind of proves the point about Peach. It's hard to rule a nation from someone else's dungeon. Her personal security is TERRIBLE. Granted, every now and then Bowser nails her with something that would be difficult to prevent, such as his castle rising up directly beneath hers and lifting it into the sky, but other times he barely even has to try. In Super Mario RPG, he just dropped by in his clown car, picked her up, and flew off. This would be avoidable if she had any kind of standing military, something any competent ruler who is in constant conflict with another nation would put a pretty high priority on, or even had a personal security force, but she's completely devoid of either. In Galaxy, he carpetbombs the Mushroom Kingdom with his fleet of airships, and she is completely without any means of returning fire, rendering the kingdom helpless against the attack. She isn't even a good enough leader to protect her nation from enemy invasion; if she can't even do that much, what good is she as a leader?
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*** A good ruler would have competent enough security as to avoid being kidnapped every Thursday.
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*** Coupled with the fact that they have no problem inviting him to go go-karting and various other stuff they do in the spinoffs, and it just doesn't seem like a conflict anymore. It's less of a war and more two guys competing over where Peach will stay the weekend, but with humongous body counts. Galaxy was one of the rare occasions in which there was actually more at stake if Bowser prevailed than him having Peach for a while, and the tone of his interactions with Mario was notably more serious as a result.
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***** Swallowing Koopas does that? Ever? He's better off keeping a small group of Magikoopas around with prepared spells. Probably led by whichever one's currently his attendant.
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**** Maybe he swallows a random Koopa or two to do the work? "Bob and Joe, you're on growth duty today."
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******* Less? That's horribly unfair. The first three alone games introduce us to nineteen characters alone, and that's just main characters who can be logically expanded on. Not the minions, of which enough could be realistically expanded upon to make a nice game. Daisy is also a seperate character, as most Mario characters have become. In the games she is in, she tends to be more of a physical person than Peach. The best reason for why it shouldn't be done is that there isn't a reasonably good story to use.
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** There's a lot of guessing that could go to WMG for this. It's easy to bring up that Luigi's first personality given was in an OVA that had him as greedy. In one of the M&L games, it is stated at one point that only the pure may pass and Luigi can't because he has a dark secret. It's my personal opinion that Waluigi is the negative aspects of Luigi's personality expelled through BlackMagic.
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** It's not easy to tell. The amount of time between the end of each level could be a matter of hours, days, or even weeks. The first game could have taken place over the course of a year or two. The second game is implied to have taken place all in one night. The third could just be a couple of months, as could world, but 64 might be anywhere within just a couple of hours to a week. Or maybe time just works differently in the Mushroom World.
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** [[RoyaltyThatDoesSomething He's out there with the troops.]] He may very well be a competent ruler that has intricate relations with other kingdoms and happens to be at war with the Mushroom Kingdom.
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*** Plumbing is a lucrative business, especially when you can burn away clogs instead of buying equipment.
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*** It actually happened twice in the game by two different people. But it doesn't mean Mario is rich, but that the Mushroom Kingdom currency is horribly inflated. Think about it, Peach gave a pretty large sum at the beginning of the game for a decoy mission. Probably just enough to get Mario back home after he could ditch Bowser. [[ButtMonkey She doesn't care about Luigi.]]
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** Most of them are not mobile. And they don't have eyes. It's kinda creepy, and doesn't make for good protaganists.
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** It was publicly traded and he didn't want to share?
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** Well, even in the west, it's a big deal. Maybe even more so than in a typical older/younger sibling dynamic. Being the oldest generally carries a bit of weight to it. The younger sibling is supposed to listen to you, you have more responsibility, etc. The youngest tends not to have as much responsibility. But in twins, the siblings might feel resentment that the dynamic was down to luck. An honest argument would be:
-->Twin One: Listen to me, I'm older than you!
-->Twin Two: By a minute!
** Because it's not so much just I'm older than you by a year, it's I'm barely older than you. It gives a greater reason to want to get out of the older brother's shadow. He's can't be that much better than me, he's not that much older than me.
-->Twin One: Listen to me, I'm older than you!
-->Twin Two: By a minute!
** Because it's not so much just I'm older than you by a year, it's I'm barely older than you. It gives a greater reason to want to get out of the older brother's shadow. He's can't be that much better than me, he's not that much older than me.
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** If it's hot enough, with fuel, fire can burn underwater. Or maybe he's just using the fireball to boil the water in such a matter that it mimics his actual fireball.
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*** It's never really implied that the [[InsistentTerminology Shroomers]] are helpless. Toad is implied to have originally been Peach's bodyguard, and only really helpless when facing Bowser. Because he terrifies him. And who wouldn't be terrified when facing a 5-7 foot turtle with spikes that breathes fire?
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**** Except Daisy has been seen more often dressed for sports than in a Peach lookalike dress. Toadette has never been seen in a dress and Toad wears a blue vest, even if he had red spots.
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** They probably thought, "Hey, cool. I'm selling the future site of an embassy. Maybe this war is coming to an end."
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** It hurts that they weren't given names, so they don't feel like main characters. It hurts that they're redundant. Toad and Toadette could have easily filled the area. It hurts that the Mario series already has LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters and they decided to introduce new ones in a game that is meant to be reminiscient of the original games.
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** Aren't most Yoshi island dwellers? It could be that they aren't real Yoshi. Since a large part of the plot was someone painting on the island, is it really out of the question that the Yoshi are also just painted things that Bowser Jr. created because he was trying to imitate one of his father's scemes?
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*** And the commercial for "Marry-o and Sonic at the Olympic Games".
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* Why is one of the complaints with Waluigi (or most hated characters in Mario) is that he doesn't have a personality? Seriously, name me one personality trait that Mario or Peach have shown in the main games. And speaking of the main games, another defense I have for Waluigi is that he's always been a character in the spinoffs, so you can't really flesh him out that much.
* Why is one of the complaints with Waluigi (or most hated characters in Mario) is that he doesn't have a personality? Seriously, name me one personality trait that Mario or Peach have shown in the main games. And speaking of the main games, another defense I have for Waluigi is that he's always been a character in the spinoffs, so you can't really flesh him out that much.
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* In ''SuperMarioSunshine'', there's a Noki woman with a baby standing outside of Pinna Park. The weird part is, when you talk to her, she never once suggests that it's her kid or if she's related to it at all, referring to it as "the child" and "this baby." Did she kidnap it? Is she babysitting it? Is she just really detached? It's a small detail to get hung up on, granted, but it still bugs me. (You see her again later in Noki Bay, but I can't remember if she says anything more revealing then or not. I don't think she does, but...)
* Why is one of the complaints with Waluigi (or most hated characters in Mario) is that he doesn't have a personality? Seriously, name me one personality trait that Mario or Peach have shown in the main games. And speaking of the main games, another defense I have for Waluigi is that he's always been a character in the spinoffs, so you can't really flesh him out that much.)
* Why is one of the complaints with Waluigi (or most hated characters in Mario) is that he doesn't have a personality? Seriously, name me one personality trait that Mario or Peach have shown in the main games. And speaking of the main games, another defense I have for Waluigi is that he's always been a character in the spinoffs, so you can't really flesh him out that much.
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* Why is one of the complaints with Waluigi (or most hated characters in Mario) is that he doesn't have a personality? Seriously, name me one personality trait that Mario or Peach have shown in the main games. And speaking of the main games, another defense I have for Waluigi is that he's always been a character in the spinoffs, so you can't really flesh him out that much.
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*** Paper Mario. Lava Piranha, and a Frost Piranha who talks in ALL CAPS and screams about how Mario has arrived before you reach Frost Palace.
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*** Paper Mario. Lava Piranha, and a Frost Piranha who talks in ALL CAPS and screams about how Mario has arrived before you reach Frost Crystal Palace.
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*** Paper Mario. Lava Piranha, and a Frost Piranha who talks in ALL CAPS and screams about how Mario has arrived before you reach Frost Palace.
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******* I like TBS better as a genre. There is even an obvious plot - play as Peach, in charge of defending the Mushroom Kingdom from Bowser/random new villain using the Toad army for manpower and Mario & Luigi (and any other character who might make the cut) as super-units or generals. If Peach is captured, game over.
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** I maintain that they're fraternal twins because of the dramatic height difference.
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**A group of Yoshi's got to the island a long time ago, and in later generations, they never learned how to swim. As for the dissolving thing, I got nothing.
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*** Actually, Wario does have a bit of backstory to him. It was said that he was the one that hired the evil alien in ''SuperMarioLand'' to kidnap Princess Daisy so Mario would be distracted while Wario took over Mario's castle in the sequel, OrSoIHeard.
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*******Shigeru Miyamoto [[WordOfGod (who must be God because his name is impossible to pronounce)]] said that Pikmin was the VaporWare "Super Mario 128," SoYeah.
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* Short answer: Tes, yes and no. Longer answer is that he's only from Earth in spinoffs, although not purely Western media, since it's also the case in quite a few anime spinoffs. They can visit Earth (Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games, the hated Mario is Missing and Mario's Time Machine, etc), and no, they're not the same because Mario has visited both... and they're not the same place.
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*** I blame this on very ambiguous terminology. Bowser says that he's going to create his own galaxy. At the end of the first game, Mario happily declares the existence of the new galaxy. But at the same time, every stage in the game is ''also'' referred to as a galaxy. It's not impossible to think that Bowser's just making a very large new area for himself. One with cake.
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** It's called "serial monogamy". Happens a lot in real life.
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** Plus, the reason Mary Sue is useful as a category is due to the role they play in stories; namely, making them shitty. But the Mario games in general have little to no plot, so it doesn't matter.
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* Was Mario being from Brooklyn a creation of western media, similar to [[SonicTheHedgehog Sonic]] being from "Mobius"? Can someone from the Mushroom Planet visit Earth? Are Earth and the Mushroom Planet one?
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* Why do the Yoshis in ''SuperMarioSunshine'' dissolve when they touch water? Are they made of water soluble paint? And isn't it retarded that out of all the species of Yoshi in the world, it would be the island-dwelling ones who would be unable to swim?
