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** And/or Spidey is intentionally pulling punches and only over the course of the fight does he increase the amount of force until he finds the right amount of strength to use. After all, Spidey can, in most interpretations, lift around 10 tons. Even a 1/10th of that would be enough to seriously harm someone.

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** And/or Spidey is intentionally pulling punches and only over the course of the fight does he increase the amount of force until he finds the right amount of strength to use. After all, Spidey can, in most interpretations, lift around 10 tons. Even a 1/10th of that would be enough to seriously harm someone. And if one then asks why he doesn't go straight to that amount from the beginning, well... it's not easy to dial in that kind of precise effort if you're not doing it regularly so unless he's fighting the same villain daily, he's just not really able to gain that kind of precise knowledge.
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** And/or Spidey is intentionally pulling punches and only over the course of the fight does he increase the amount of force until he finds the right amount of strength to use. After all, Spidey can, in most interpretations, lift around 10 tons. Even a 1/10th of that would be enough to seriously harm someone.
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* Why, exactly, does this version of Norman Osborne have a beef with Spidey? While having a vigilante running around doesn't look great (since it says the police can't handle things) Spider-man isn't a threat and shares many enemies with Osborne. JJJ has apparently been ranting against the Oscorp surveillance system and raising (very legit) concerns about Norman's use of his office to help Oscorp. Mr Negative and the Demons are openly out to destroy Osborne.[[spoiler: Doc Ock is similarly motivated by a vendetta against Norman.]] Despite this, Norman has the Sable Agents focus on Spider-man rather than on the people trying to ruin and/or murder him. This seems personal and beyond just needing a scapegoat.

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* Why, exactly, does this version of Norman Osborne have a beef with Spidey? While having a vigilante running around doesn't look great (since it says the police can't handle things) Spider-man isn't a threat and shares many enemies with Osborne. JJJ has apparently been ranting against the Oscorp surveillance system and raising (very legit) concerns about Norman's use of his office to help Oscorp. Mr Negative and the Demons are openly out to destroy Osborne.[[spoiler: Doc Ock is similarly motivated by a vendetta against Norman.]] Despite this, Norman has the Sable Agents focus on Spider-man rather than on the people trying to ruin and/or murder him. This seems personal and beyond just needing a scapegoat.scapegoat.
** Norman is hiding secrets, [[spoiler: like his part in creating the Devil's Breath, his role in turning Martin Li and Otto into supervillains, and hiding his son in a tank with a symbiote (although that last bit isn't immediately relevant)]] and Spidey was a convenient scapegoat for the shitfest in Manhattan. So Norman decides that by blaming Spidey, he gets to keep his own hands clean, and no one has to know about the shady shit he's doing.
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**Some probably did ditch their prison clothes and go to ground, instead of trying to take over the city. The cops and Spider-Man were too busy to hunt for them. This explains why crime remains high if you keep playing after the story ends.
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* Why, exactly, does this version of Norman Osborne have a beef with Spidey? While having a vigilante running around doesn't look great (since it says the police can't handle things) Spider-man isn't a threat and shares many enemies with Osborne. JJJ has apparently been ranting against the Oscorp surveillance system and raising (very legit) concerns about Norman's use of his office to help Oscorp. Mr Negative and the Demons are openly out to destroy Osborne.[[spoiler: Doc Ock is similarly motivated by a vendetta against Norman.]] Despite this, Norman has the Sable Agents focus on Spider-man [i]rather than on the people trying to ruin and/or murder him.[/i] This seems personal and beyond just needing a scapegoat.

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* Why, exactly, does this version of Norman Osborne have a beef with Spidey? While having a vigilante running around doesn't look great (since it says the police can't handle things) Spider-man isn't a threat and shares many enemies with Osborne. JJJ has apparently been ranting against the Oscorp surveillance system and raising (very legit) concerns about Norman's use of his office to help Oscorp. Mr Negative and the Demons are openly out to destroy Osborne.[[spoiler: Doc Ock is similarly motivated by a vendetta against Norman.]] Despite this, Norman has the Sable Agents focus on Spider-man [i]rather rather than on the people trying to ruin and/or murder him.[/i] him. This seems personal and beyond just needing a scapegoat.

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* Why, exactly, does this version of Norman Osborne have a beef with Spidey? While having a vigilante running around doesn't look great (since it says the police can't handle things) Spider-man isn't a threat and shares many enemies with Osborne:
JJJ has apparently been ranting against the Oscorp surveillance system and raising (very legit) concerns about Norman's use of his office to help Oscorp.
Mr Negative and the Demons are openly out to destroy Osborne.[[spoiler: Doc Ock is similarly motivated by a vendetta against Norman.]]
Despite this, Norman has the Sable Agents focus on Spider-man [i]rather than on the people trying to ruin and/or murder him.[/i] This seems personal and beyond just needing a scapegoat.

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* Why, exactly, does this version of Norman Osborne have a beef with Spidey? While having a vigilante running around doesn't look great (since it says the police can't handle things) Spider-man isn't a threat and shares many enemies with Osborne:
Osborne. JJJ has apparently been ranting against the Oscorp surveillance system and raising (very legit) concerns about Norman's use of his office to help Oscorp. \n Mr Negative and the Demons are openly out to destroy Osborne.[[spoiler: Doc Ock is similarly motivated by a vendetta against Norman.]]
]] Despite this, Norman has the Sable Agents focus on Spider-man [i]rather than on the people trying to ruin and/or murder him.[/i] This seems personal and beyond just needing a scapegoat.

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** Possibly Norman Osborne's insistence that he has the situation under control keeps the Governor/ President from activating the National Guard. Legally they might have the power but as NYC mayor and politically active Oligarch Norman might be able to slow that down. [[spoiler: After the Devil's Breath is released the quarantine would keep everyone out, though the National Guard/Army might be enforcing it from the other side.

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** Possibly Norman Osborne's insistence that he has the situation under control keeps the Governor/ President from activating the National Guard. Legally they might have the power but as NYC mayor and politically active Oligarch Norman might be able to slow that down. [[spoiler: After the Devil's Breath is released the quarantine would keep everyone out, though the National Guard/Army might be enforcing it from the other side.]]
* Why, exactly, does this version of Norman Osborne have a beef with Spidey? While having a vigilante running around doesn't look great (since it says the police can't handle things) Spider-man isn't a threat and shares many enemies with Osborne:
JJJ has apparently been ranting against the Oscorp surveillance system and raising (very legit) concerns about Norman's use of his office to help Oscorp.
Mr Negative and the Demons are openly out to destroy Osborne.[[spoiler: Doc Ock is similarly motivated by a vendetta against Norman.]]
Despite this, Norman has the Sable Agents focus on Spider-man [i]rather than on the people trying to ruin and/or murder him.[/i] This seems personal and beyond just needing a scapegoat.
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** Norman Osborn consistently fails to take basic, common sense safety measures (like not putting dangerous research labs in Manhattan). At a few points people point this out, but he's too arrogant and unconcerned about others to take that to heart.



* On a similar note to the above, why isn't the government sending in the military to restore order to the city? You can't let a city go to hell on that scale if you want to be respected as a legitimate authority.

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* On a similar note to the above, why isn't the government sending in the military to restore order to the city? You can't let a city go to hell on that scale if you want to be respected as a legitimate authority.authority.
** Possibly Norman Osborne's insistence that he has the situation under control keeps the Governor/ President from activating the National Guard. Legally they might have the power but as NYC mayor and politically active Oligarch Norman might be able to slow that down. [[spoiler: After the Devil's Breath is released the quarantine would keep everyone out, though the National Guard/Army might be enforcing it from the other side.

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* How and more importantly where Peter Parker would pick up his clealy-trained Martial Arts Abilities in this game. Not only does Peter fight with clear, well practiced and actual RealLife Martial Arts techniques, but the directors of the game have gone on record to state that this Peter is actually proficient in Capoeira and La Lucahdores Wrestling (in addition to tthe obvious self taught Le Parkour Free Running).
In Ultimate Spider Man he was asked by a Heroic Triad Vigilante why he does not possess refined combat techniques, to which Peter answers “I would LIKE to not fight like a mental-patient; but if I go to a Dojo, with my strength I will definitely hurt people during training.” Ever the NiceGuy, Peter for the last 50 years refuses to learn Martial Arts so he would never worry about potentially hurting classmates.
So, without a Proper Teacher, Much Less a Wu-Guan/Dojo/Gym with training partners to practice with, how the heck does Peter Parker in the PlayStation Four Uinverse become such a precise, skilled and elegant Martial Artsit trained in proper Capoeira and La Lucahdores wrestling and even a bit of Boxing?

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* How and more importantly where Peter Parker would pick up his clealy-trained Martial Arts Abilities clearly-trained martial arts abilities in this game. game? Not only does Peter fight with clear, well practiced and actual RealLife Martial Arts martial arts techniques, but the directors of the game have gone on record to state that this Peter is actually proficient in Capoeira and La Lucahdores Wrestling (in addition to tthe the obvious self taught Le Parkour Free Running).
** In Ultimate Spider Man he was asked by a Heroic heroic Triad Vigilante vigilante why he does not possess refined combat techniques, to which Peter answers “I would LIKE to not fight like a mental-patient; but if I go to a Dojo, with my strength I will definitely hurt people during training.” Ever the NiceGuy, Peter for the last 50 years refuses to learn Martial Arts martial arts so he would never worry about potentially hurting classmates.
classmates. So, without a Proper Teacher, Much Less proper teacher, much less a Wu-Guan/Dojo/Gym with training partners to practice with, how the heck does Peter Parker in the PlayStation Four Uinverse become such a precise, skilled and elegant Martial Artsit martial artist trained in proper Capoeira and La Lucahdores wrestling and even a bit of Boxing?boxing?
















* Why is Spiderman the only hero saving New York? It makes sense at the beginning of the game when everything is going on behind the scenes, but after [[spoiler: all of the prisoners escape and NYC turns into war zone, with bioweapons and 6 dangerous supervillains on the loose, no one is there to help Spidey?]]
** [[MST3KMantra Would the game be any fun if the Avengers swooped in to save the day before you could?]] A more in-universe answer: the big time heroes are busy fighting HYDRA / an intergalactic threat / each other, the smaller time heroes living in New York are busy stopping the crimes and rounding up criminals that Spidey doesn't have time for offscreen.

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\n* Why is Spiderman the only hero saving New York? It makes sense at the beginning of the game when everything is going on behind the scenes, but after [[spoiler: all of the prisoners escape and NYC turns into a war zone, with bioweapons and 6 dangerous supervillains on the loose, no one is there to help Spidey?]]
** [[MST3KMantra Would the game be any fun if the Avengers swooped in to save the day before you could?]] A more in-universe answer: the big time heroes are busy fighting HYDRA / an intergalactic threat / each other, the smaller time heroes living in New York are busy stopping the crimes and rounding up criminals that Spidey doesn't have time for offscreen.offscreen.
* On a similar note to the above, why isn't the government sending in the military to restore order to the city? You can't let a city go to hell on that scale if you want to be respected as a legitimate authority.

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** No one except the local beat cops, and given the Demons take over the exhibit without any problems, this was likely an intentional plot point; Oscorp nearly dooms themselves thanks to their hubris and ineptitude.




* Why is Spiderman the only hero saving New York? It makes sense at the beginning of the game when everything is going on behind the scenes, but after [[spoiler: all of the prisoners escape and NYC turns into war zone, with bioweapons and 6 dangerous supervillains on the loose, no one is there to help Spidey?]]

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\n** Presumably because they'd also have to ditch the expensive guns that they picked up; even in civilian clothing, roaming New York with an assault rifle would draw attention from the police and Sable forces. And though the smart thing to do ''would'' be to just ditch the guns, they're wanted criminals in a city [[spoiler:locked down by martial law]] and their faces and identities are known to the authorities - in their minds, the guns are the only thing that will give those authorities pause from stopping them.

* Why is Spiderman the only hero saving New York? It makes sense at the beginning of the game when everything is going on behind the scenes, but after [[spoiler: all of the prisoners escape and NYC turns into war zone, with bioweapons and 6 dangerous supervillains on the loose, no one is there to help Spidey?]]Spidey?]]
** [[MST3KMantra Would the game be any fun if the Avengers swooped in to save the day before you could?]] A more in-universe answer: the big time heroes are busy fighting HYDRA / an intergalactic threat / each other, the smaller time heroes living in New York are busy stopping the crimes and rounding up criminals that Spidey doesn't have time for offscreen.
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* The Oscorp exhibit at Grand Central Station putting actual live devices on display instead of mere props, without so much as a safety wire or a glass case protecting it. What was to stop anyone from simply grabbing the device and running away with presumably a very expensive machine?

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* The Oscorp exhibit at Grand Central Station putting actual live devices on display instead of mere props, without so much as a safety wire or a glass case protecting it. What was to stop anyone from simply grabbing the device and running away with presumably a very expensive machine?machine?

* When [[spoiler: the prisoners escape]], why don't they ditch their orange jumpsuits for normal clothes as soon as possible? I'm willing to bet most of them aren't eager to be going back, so why are they making themselves easy to identify and recapture? All it would take is one robbery of a department store to have regular clothing and be able blend back in to society.

* Why is Spiderman the only hero saving New York? It makes sense at the beginning of the game when everything is going on behind the scenes, but after [[spoiler: all of the prisoners escape and NYC turns into war zone, with bioweapons and 6 dangerous supervillains on the loose, no one is there to help Spidey?]]
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***Another potential tutor could be Black Panther. He has similarly enhanced reflexes, agility and strength. Maybe Wakandan Martial Arts resembles Capoeira, while Peter was a wrestling fan and added the Luchadore stuff himself?
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\n** He likely learned from one of the Avengers, since they are confirmed to exist in this universe and you can even visit Avengers tower. Most likely from Captain America, who's both tough enough to take blows from Spidey and extremely skilled.
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** When Silver Sable first confronts Spider-Man, she clearly takes him by surprise thanks to those restraints (you'll notice that following that cutscene, his Spider Sense now acknowledges Sable's soldiers as threats, allowing him to dodge the restraints afterward). When they confront each other the second time, Sable uses the same acrobatic move Captain America does in the MCU Civil War to use Spidey's own webbing to knock him down. The third time, Spider-Man is busy trying to open a heavy security door and simply doesn't have time to respond to her charging at him and shoving her guns in his face.

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** When Silver Sable first confronts Spider-Man, she clearly takes him by surprise thanks to those restraints (you'll notice that following that cutscene, his Spider Sense now acknowledges Sable's soldiers as threats, allowing him to dodge the restraints afterward). When they confront each other the second time, Sable uses the same acrobatic move Captain America does in the MCU Civil War to use Spidey's own webbing to knock him down. The third time, Spider-Man is busy trying to open a heavy security door and simply doesn't have time to respond to her charging at him and shoving her guns in his face.face.

* The Oscorp exhibit at Grand Central Station putting actual live devices on display instead of mere props, without so much as a safety wire or a glass case protecting it. What was to stop anyone from simply grabbing the device and running away with presumably a very expensive machine?
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\n** Because he's learned how to manually control how much strength he puts into his movements and actions? It's not hard, regular people do that all the time.

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* Why does spidermans spider sense not work at times of cutscene? It should work at all times. And how does silver sable be able to kind of defeat spidey when as even a badass normal she should not be touching the guy who as a beginner could dodge bullets fired point blank at him.

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* Why does spidermans spider sense Spider-Man's Spider Sense not work at times of cutscene? during cutscenes? It should work at all times. And how does silver sable be is Silver Sable able to kind of defeat spidey Spidey when as even a badass normal BadassNormal she should not be touching the guy who as a beginner could dodge bullets fired point blank at him.him.
** Even in the comics, Spider Sense doesn't always trigger. There are quite a few explanations for why that is, such as the Spider Sense simply being overwhelmed because there's so much danger it can't pinpoint where a particular attack is coming from, the Spider Sense being somehow disabled or affected (e.g. in the comics some villains like Mysterio used to have gas that could block it, and Venom is completely invisible to it), or Spider-Man himself is too distracted or weakened to notice or react to it. Heck, it might even be as simple as the Spider Sense just not acknowledging something as a threat until it's too late.
** When Silver Sable first confronts Spider-Man, she clearly takes him by surprise thanks to those restraints (you'll notice that following that cutscene, his Spider Sense now acknowledges Sable's soldiers as threats, allowing him to dodge the restraints afterward). When they confront each other the second time, Sable uses the same acrobatic move Captain America does in the MCU Civil War to use Spidey's own webbing to knock him down. The third time, Spider-Man is busy trying to open a heavy security door and simply doesn't have time to respond to her charging at him and shoving her guns in his face.
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** The vast majority of Spider-Man's villains either have superpowers themselves or are wearing armor that protects them to an extent. [[spoiler:Doctor Octopus]] could be particularly resilient because [[spoiler:his actual physical state is immaterial as long as he can maintain mental control of his artificial arms.]]

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** The vast majority of Spider-Man's villains either have superpowers themselves or are wearing armor that protects them to an extent. [[spoiler:Doctor Octopus]] could be particularly resilient because [[spoiler:his actual physical state is immaterial as long as he can maintain mental control of his artificial arms.]]]]

* Why does spidermans spider sense not work at times of cutscene? It should work at all times. And how does silver sable be able to kind of defeat spidey when as even a badass normal she should not be touching the guy who as a beginner could dodge bullets fired point blank at him.
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** There’s still the issue of Peter being physically stronger than even Captain America even as a beginner; 8 years or not, how is he going to make it to his first green-belt (the equivalent of a Karate yellow-belt in Capoeira) without sending classmates home in a body-cast with an imperfectly executed “Armada Pulada” (Jumping reverse roundhouse kick) that is his main attack in the game?

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* How can certain characters (i.e Mr. Negative, Taskmaster, Scorpion, Vulture, [[spoiler: Doctor Octavious]] etc. Take so many ''punches''?

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\n** New York is a pretty diverse place, and Peter had already been Spider-Man for at least eight years when the game begins. That's plenty of time and opportunity to learn formal martial arts. Also, the PS4 game is in a distinctly different setting from Ultimate Spider-Man, so Ultimate Peter's motivations don't necessarily carry over to the game Peter.

* How can certain characters (i.e Mr. Negative, Taskmaster, Scorpion, Vulture, [[spoiler: Doctor Octavious]] etc. Take so many ''punches''?''punches''?
** The vast majority of Spider-Man's villains either have superpowers themselves or are wearing armor that protects them to an extent. [[spoiler:Doctor Octopus]] could be particularly resilient because [[spoiler:his actual physical state is immaterial as long as he can maintain mental control of his artificial arms.]]
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* How can certain characters (i.e Mr. Negative, Taskmaster, Scorpion, Vulture, [[spoiler: Doctor Octavious]] etc. Take so many '''punches'''?

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* How can certain characters (i.e Mr. Negative, Taskmaster, Scorpion, Vulture, [[spoiler: Doctor Octavious]] etc. Take so many '''punches'''?''punches''?
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** In 616, Peter learns the [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Glossary:Way_of_the_Spider Way of the Spider]]. [=PS4=] Peter may have undergone some training from someone.

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** In 616, Peter learns the [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Glossary:Way_of_the_Spider Way of the Spider]]. [=PS4=] Peter may have undergone some training from someone.someone.

* How can certain characters (i.e Mr. Negative, Taskmaster, Scorpion, Vulture, [[spoiler: Doctor Octavious]] etc. Take so many '''punches'''?
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** The only logical explanation is that he's either self taught by watching instructional videos or has had one of his superpowered ilk teach him over the years.

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** The only logical explanation is that he's either self taught by watching instructional videos or has had one of his superpowered ilk teach him over the years.years.
** In 616, Peter learns the [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Glossary:Way_of_the_Spider Way of the Spider]]. [=PS4=] Peter may have undergone some training from someone.
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So, without a Proper Teacher, Much Less a Wu-Guan/Dojo/Gym with training partners to practice with, how the heck does Peter Parker in the PlayStation Four Uinverse become such a precise, skilled and elegant Martial Artsit trained in proper Capoeira and La Lucahdores wrestling and even a bit of Boxing?

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So, without a Proper Teacher, Much Less a Wu-Guan/Dojo/Gym with training partners to practice with, how the heck does Peter Parker in the PlayStation Four Uinverse become such a precise, skilled and elegant Martial Artsit trained in proper Capoeira and La Lucahdores wrestling and even a bit of Boxing?Boxing?
** The only logical explanation is that he's either self taught by watching instructional videos or has had one of his superpowered ilk teach him over the years.
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So, without a Proper Teacher, Much Less a Wu-Guan/Dojo/Gym with training partners to practice with, how the heck does Peter Parker in the PLayStation Four Uinverse become such a precise, skilled and elegant Martial Artsit trained in proper Capoeira and La Lucahdores wrestling and even a bit of Boxing?

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So, without a Proper Teacher, Much Less a Wu-Guan/Dojo/Gym with training partners to practice with, how the heck does Peter Parker in the PLayStation PlayStation Four Uinverse become such a precise, skilled and elegant Martial Artsit trained in proper Capoeira and La Lucahdores wrestling and even a bit of Boxing?

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So, without a Proper Teacher, Much Less a Wu-Guan/Dojo/Gym with training partners to practice with, how the heck does Peter Parker in the PS4 Uinverse become such a precise, skilled and elegant Martial Artsit trained in proper Capoeira and La Lucahdores wrestling and even a bit of Boxing?

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So, without a Proper Teacher, Much Less a Wu-Guan/Dojo/Gym with training partners to practice with, how the heck does Peter Parker in the PS4 PLayStation Four Uinverse become such a precise, skilled and elegant Martial Artsit trained in proper Capoeira and La Lucahdores wrestling and even a bit of Boxing?

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In Ultimate Spider Man he was asked by a Triaf Anti Hero why he does not possess refined combat techniques, to which he answers “I would LIKE to not fight like a mental-patient; but if I go to a Dojo, with my strength I will definitely hurt people during training.” Ever the NiceGuy, Peter for the last 50 years refuses to learn Martial Arts so he would never worry about potentially hurting classmates.
So, without a Proper Teacher, Much Less a Wu-Guan/Dojo and training partners to practice with, how the heck does Peter Parker in the PS4 Uinverse become such a precise, skilled and elegant Martial Artsit trained in proper Capoeira and La Lucahdores wrestling?

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In Ultimate Spider Man he was asked by a Triaf Anti Hero Heroic Triad Vigilante why he does not possess refined combat techniques, to which he Peter answers “I would LIKE to not fight like a mental-patient; but if I go to a Dojo, with my strength I will definitely hurt people during training.” Ever the NiceGuy, Peter for the last 50 years refuses to learn Martial Arts so he would never worry about potentially hurting classmates.
So, without a Proper Teacher, Much Less a Wu-Guan/Dojo and Wu-Guan/Dojo/Gym with training partners to practice with, how the heck does Peter Parker in the PS4 Uinverse become such a precise, skilled and elegant Martial Artsit trained in proper Capoeira and La Lucahdores wrestling?wrestling and even a bit of Boxing?
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* How and more importantly where Peter Parker would pick up his clealy-trained Martial Arts Abilities in this game. Not only does Peter fight with clear, well practiced and actual RealLife Martial Arts techniques, but the directors of the game have gone on record to state that this Peter is actually proficient in Capoeira and La Lucahdores Wrestling (in addition to the obvious self taught Le Parkour Free Running)

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* How and more importantly where Peter Parker would pick up his clealy-trained Martial Arts Abilities in this game. Not only does Peter fight with clear, well practiced and actual RealLife Martial Arts techniques, but the directors of the game have gone on record to state that this Peter is actually proficient in Capoeira and La Lucahdores Wrestling (in addition to the tthe obvious self taught Le Parkour Free Running)Running).
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* How and more importantly where Peter Parker would pick up his clealy-trained Martial Arts Abilities in this game. Not only does Peter fight with clear, well practiced and actual RealLife Martial Arts techniques, but the directors of the game have gone on record to state that this Peter is actually proficient in Capoeira and La Lucahdores Wrestling (in addition to the obvious self taught Le Parkour Free Running)
In Ultimate Spider Man he was asked by a Triaf Anti Hero why he does not possess refined combat techniques, to which he answers “I would LIKE to not fight like a mental-patient; but if I go to a Dojo, with my strength I will definitely hurt people during training.” Ever the NiceGuy, Peter for the last 50 years refuses to learn Martial Arts so he would never worry about potentially hurting classmates.
So, without a Proper Teacher, Much Less a Wu-Guan/Dojo and training partners to practice with, how the heck does Peter Parker in the PS4 Uinverse become such a precise, skilled and elegant Martial Artsit trained in proper Capoeira and La Lucahdores wrestling?

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