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** Demons of Minotaur's power are fairly common in Tokyo, and Medusa is prone to [[FateWorseThanDeath making additions]] [[TakenForGranite to her collection]]. Death my Minotaur is far kinder than what Medusa would do.

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** Demons of Minotaur's power are fairly common in Tokyo, and Medusa is prone to [[FateWorseThanDeath making additions]] [[TakenForGranite to her collection]]. Death my by Minotaur is far kinder than what Medusa would do.


** Demons of Minotaur's power are fairly common in Tokyo, and Medusa is prone to [FateWorseThanDeath making additions]] [[TakenForGranite to her collection]]. Death my Minotaur is far kinder than what Medusa would do.

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** Demons of Minotaur's power are fairly common in Tokyo, and Medusa is prone to [FateWorseThanDeath [[FateWorseThanDeath making additions]] [[TakenForGranite to her collection]]. Death my Minotaur is far kinder than what Medusa would do.


* Why did Akira seal off Mikado? His plan was to [[spoiler:create a civilization and then meet the other members of the Counter-Demon Force halfway]]. Chucking a Minotaur in Naraku and telling him to kill anyone who wants to mix with the 'Unclean Ones' is very counterproductive.

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* Why did Akira seal off Mikado? His plan was to [[spoiler:create a civilization and then meet the other members of the Counter-Demon Force halfway]]. Chucking a Minotaur in Naraku and telling him to kill anyone who wants to mix with the 'Unclean Ones' is very counterproductive.counterproductive.
** Demons of Minotaur's power are fairly common in Tokyo, and Medusa is prone to [FateWorseThanDeath making additions]] [[TakenForGranite to her collection]]. Death my Minotaur is far kinder than what Medusa would do.

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** Yomotsu Hirasaka is the "scenic route to the underworld". It is the Japanese equivalent to the River Styx, but goes to a different afterlife. Charon may be up to his ears in souls, but he isn't the ONLY ferryman.


** The game hints (poorly) that there's some time rewinding involved, given that A) the theory about "dragging the body away" doesn't click because they don't even know about Nanashi's DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist ability as a Godslayer until either Dagda or the enemy blurt it out to everyone, and even drag down the trust of your teammates while at it, in disbelief about how human Nanashi is, thus showing that Nanashi's resurrection is never witnessed and/or remembered by his teammates or whoever is close by; and B) this is shown proeminently in the MeleeATrois between angels, demons and hunters on Camp Ichigaya, en route to the Massacre or Bonds ending. [[spoiler: Should Nanashi fall in battle against either Merkabah or Lucifer, who are fought in sequence with no breaks to recover in between, when he comes back, Merkabah is also in there as well, alive and in good health, ready to be fought once again. And so are the hunters that he kills on his pre- and mid-battle dialogues. Since Dagda has no reason whatsoever to bring those back to life...!]]

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** The game hints (poorly) that there's some time rewinding involved, given that A) the theory about "dragging the body away" doesn't click because they don't even know about Nanashi's DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist ability as a Godslayer until either Dagda or the enemy blurt it out to everyone, and even drag down the trust of your teammates while at it, in disbelief about how human Nanashi is, thus showing that Nanashi's resurrection is never witnessed and/or remembered by his teammates or whoever is close by; and B) this is shown proeminently in the MeleeATrois between angels, demons and hunters on Camp Ichigaya, en route to the Massacre or Bonds ending. [[spoiler: Should Nanashi fall in battle against either Merkabah or Lucifer, who are fought in sequence with no breaks to recover in between, when he comes back, Merkabah is also in there as well, alive and in good health, ready to be fought once again. And so are the hunters that he kills on his pre- and mid-battle dialogues. Since Dagda has no reason whatsoever to bring those back to life...!]]!]]
* Why did Akira seal off Mikado? His plan was to [[spoiler:create a civilization and then meet the other members of the Counter-Demon Force halfway]]. Chucking a Minotaur in Naraku and telling him to kill anyone who wants to mix with the 'Unclean Ones' is very counterproductive.

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*** Possible explanation: The Kinshicho Hunters, Nikkari and Manabu amongst them, revolted and drove the Ashura-Kai out of Kinshicho at some point after Flynn arrived in Tokyo, also seizing the Terminal and shutting it down to make sure that the Ashura-Kai can't use it. After that, the Hunters set up the fences and gates outside of the underground district to essentially state that they'll take care of themselves. Either that, the Terminal Guardian [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou only intervenes when Flynn tries to access a Terminal]], or Atlus just decided not to include the Terminal Guardian in Apocalypse.


** When she first appears very early in the game (the initial Fairy Forest quest involving King Forst), she asks Dagda about his plans and says she agrees with him that YHVH is evil but that the well-being of the fairies comes first. It's only when Dagda continues his tirade and declares the entire ''universe'' worthless that she openly disagrees, arguing that human life has value even in Tokyo's current CrapsackWorld. It's never mentioned again, as Danu's busy dealing with Dagda's plans for Nanashi and the threat posed by Inanna, but her disagreement with Dagda is initially portrayed as one of methods and outcomes, not belief.



* How does Navarre send texts to the player? He is capable of touching and moving things (as evidenced by him using items on enemies), but how did get get the smartphone to begin with? If he's using Nanashi's, then why does it have his picture and name come up? For that matter, if phone touchscreens are designed to work with flesh only, how can Navarre use one at all with his ghostly fingers? Yes, there are special gloves and cloths that can work touchscreens, but it's doubtful that they'd be able to identify such clothes instead of selling them.
* How does it come that Toki is now going around [[spoiler:calling you master in the final battle against YHVH when she was now supposed to have forgotten all about that and no longer be under Inanna's influence]].

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* How does Navarre send texts to the player? He is capable of touching and moving things (as evidenced by him using items on enemies), but how did get he get the smartphone to begin with? If he's using Nanashi's, then why does it have his picture and name come up? For that matter, if phone touchscreens are designed to work with flesh only, how can Navarre use one at all with his ghostly fingers? Yes, there are special gloves and cloths that can work touchscreens, but it's doubtful that they'd be able to identify such clothes instead of selling them.
* How does it come to be that Toki is now going around [[spoiler:calling you master in the final battle against YHVH when she was now supposed to have forgotten all about that and no longer be under Inanna's influence]].influence]]?



* This might just be me remembering things wrong, but apparently YHVH 1) denied all other gods as false and b) made the Covenant that forced demons to take physical bodies. Why would he do that? Wouldn't giving demons physical forms make humans acknowledge their existence even more?

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* This might just be me remembering things wrong, but apparently YHVH 1) denied all other gods as false and b) 2) made the Covenant that forced demons to take physical bodies. Why would he do that? Wouldn't giving demons physical forms make humans acknowledge their existence even more?



** Welp Krishna, Shesha and about every member of the Divine Powers is a god. Like Dagda, a ''lesser'' god, but gods nonetheless, so it's more of a title and what it entails than the actual powers that comes with it. Merkabah's probably sticking with calling them his Godslayers because he granted to Gaston a spear tailor-made for slaying dragons, which according to his logic, as far as we witnessed, is a gift as transhuman as he's willing to give to one of his "clean" Mikado subjects.

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** Welp Krishna, Shesha and about every member of the Divine Powers is a god. Like Dagda, a ''lesser'' god, but gods nonetheless, so it's more of a title and what it entails than the actual powers that comes with it. Merkabah's probably sticking with calling them his Godslayers because he granted to Gaston a spear tailor-made for slaying dragons, which according to his logic, as far as we witnessed, is a gift as transhuman as he's willing to give to one of his "clean" Mikado subjects.



** The game hints (poorly) that there's some time rewinding involved, given that A) the theory about "dragging the body away" doesn't click because they don't even know about Nanashi's DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist ability as a Godslayer until either Dagda or the enemy blurt it out to everyone, and even drag down the trust of your teammates while at it, in disbelief about how much human Nanashi is yet, thus showing that Nanashi's resurrection is never witnessed and/or remembered by his teammates or whoever is close by; and B) this is shown proeminently in the MeleeATrois between angels, demons and hunters on Camp Ichigaya, en route to the Massacre or Bonds ending. [[spoiler: Should Nanashi fall in battle against either Merkabah or Lucifer, who are fought in sequence with no breaks to recover in between, when he comes back, Merkabah is also in there as well, alive and in good health, ready to be fought once again. And so are the hunters that he kills on his pre- and mid-battle dialogues. Since Dagda has no reason whatsoever to bring those back to life...!]]

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** The game hints (poorly) that there's some time rewinding involved, given that A) the theory about "dragging the body away" doesn't click because they don't even know about Nanashi's DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist ability as a Godslayer until either Dagda or the enemy blurt it out to everyone, and even drag down the trust of your teammates while at it, in disbelief about how much human Nanashi is yet, is, thus showing that Nanashi's resurrection is never witnessed and/or remembered by his teammates or whoever is close by; and B) this is shown proeminently in the MeleeATrois between angels, demons and hunters on Camp Ichigaya, en route to the Massacre or Bonds ending. [[spoiler: Should Nanashi fall in battle against either Merkabah or Lucifer, who are fought in sequence with no breaks to recover in between, when he comes back, Merkabah is also in there as well, alive and in good health, ready to be fought once again. And so are the hunters that he kills on his pre- and mid-battle dialogues. Since Dagda has no reason whatsoever to bring those back to life...!]]


** The game hints (poorly) that there's some time rewinding involved, given that A) the theory about "dragging the body away" doesn't click because they don't even know about Nanashi's DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist ability as a Godslayer until either Dagda or the enemy blurt it out to everyone, and even drag down the trust of your teammates while at it, in disbelief about how much human Nanashi is yet; and B) this is shown proeminently in the MeleeATrois between angels, demons and hunters on Camp Ichigaya, en route to the Massacre or Bonds ending. [[spoiler: Should Nanashi fall in battle against either Merkabah or Lucifer, who are fought in sequence with no breaks to recover in between, when he comes back, Merkabah is also in there as well, alive and in good health, ready to be fought once again. And so are the hunters that he kills on his pre- and mid-battle dialogues. Since Dagda has no reason whatsoever to bring those back to life...!]]

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** The game hints (poorly) that there's some time rewinding involved, given that A) the theory about "dragging the body away" doesn't click because they don't even know about Nanashi's DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist ability as a Godslayer until either Dagda or the enemy blurt it out to everyone, and even drag down the trust of your teammates while at it, in disbelief about how much human Nanashi is yet; yet, thus showing that Nanashi's resurrection is never witnessed and/or remembered by his teammates or whoever is close by; and B) this is shown proeminently in the MeleeATrois between angels, demons and hunters on Camp Ichigaya, en route to the Massacre or Bonds ending. [[spoiler: Should Nanashi fall in battle against either Merkabah or Lucifer, who are fought in sequence with no breaks to recover in between, when he comes back, Merkabah is also in there as well, alive and in good health, ready to be fought once again. And so are the hunters that he kills on his pre- and mid-battle dialogues. Since Dagda has no reason whatsoever to bring those back to life...!]]


** The game hints (poorly) that there's some time rewinding involved, given that A) the theory about "dragging the body away" doesn't click because they don't even know about Nanashi's DeathIsaSlapOnTheWrist ability as a Godslayer until either Dagda or the enemy blurt it out to everyone, and even drag down the trust of your teammates while at it, in disbelief about how much human Nanashi is yet; and B) this is shown proeminently in the MeleeATrois between angels, demons and hunters on Camp Ichigaya, en route to the Massacre or Bonds ending. [[spoiler: Should Nanashi fall in battle against either Merkabah or Lucifer, who are fought in sequence with no breaks to recover in between, when he comes back, Merkabah is also in there as well, alive and in good health, ready to be fought once again. And so are the hunters that he kills on his pre- and mid-battle dialogues. Since Dagda has no reason whatsoever to bring those back to life...!]]

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** The game hints (poorly) that there's some time rewinding involved, given that A) the theory about "dragging the body away" doesn't click because they don't even know about Nanashi's DeathIsaSlapOnTheWrist DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist ability as a Godslayer until either Dagda or the enemy blurt it out to everyone, and even drag down the trust of your teammates while at it, in disbelief about how much human Nanashi is yet; and B) this is shown proeminently in the MeleeATrois between angels, demons and hunters on Camp Ichigaya, en route to the Massacre or Bonds ending. [[spoiler: Should Nanashi fall in battle against either Merkabah or Lucifer, who are fought in sequence with no breaks to recover in between, when he comes back, Merkabah is also in there as well, alive and in good health, ready to be fought once again. And so are the hunters that he kills on his pre- and mid-battle dialogues. Since Dagda has no reason whatsoever to bring those back to life...!]]


* Dagda reviving Nanashi is an AntiFrustrationFeature. The game repeating events right before a losing battle is an AcceptableBreakFromReality (it would be very annoying to program two dialogues for every event), and so is the fact that resurrection doesn't return Nanashi to the middle of the battle he died in (it would make the game a triviality). The latter can be explained by 'the random encounter demon ate Nanashi and wandered off, and then Dagda revived him when the coast was clear' or 'Nanashi's allies dragged off his corpse while running away from the boss', but dying in [[spoiler:Mikado after being arrested will boot Nanashi back to either before imprisonment or while he's running around in the city.]] Unlike the [[HandWave Hand Waves]] mentioned above, [[spoiler: the pre-battle events are very dire. The party is completely surrounded by angels while mostly unarmed, and there is no escape. If Nanashi dies, then the survivors would either be sent back to prison or killed on the spot... but in the game, they're just sent back to the city with no consequences. Why?]]

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* Dagda reviving Nanashi is an AntiFrustrationFeature. The game repeating events right before a losing battle is an AcceptableBreakFromReality (it would be very annoying to program two dialogues for every event), and so is the fact that resurrection doesn't return Nanashi to the middle of the battle he died in (it would make the game a triviality). The latter can be explained by 'the random encounter demon ate Nanashi and wandered off, and then Dagda revived him when the coast was clear' or 'Nanashi's allies dragged off his corpse while running away from the boss', but dying in [[spoiler:Mikado after being arrested will boot Nanashi back to either before imprisonment or while he's running around in the city.]] Unlike the [[HandWave Hand Waves]] mentioned above, [[spoiler: the pre-battle events are very dire. The party is completely surrounded by angels while mostly unarmed, and there is no escape. If Nanashi dies, then the survivors would either be sent back to prison or killed on the spot... but in the game, they're just sent back to the city with no consequences. Why?]]Why?]]
** The game hints (poorly) that there's some time rewinding involved, given that A) the theory about "dragging the body away" doesn't click because they don't even know about Nanashi's DeathIsaSlapOnTheWrist ability as a Godslayer until either Dagda or the enemy blurt it out to everyone, and even drag down the trust of your teammates while at it, in disbelief about how much human Nanashi is yet; and B) this is shown proeminently in the MeleeATrois between angels, demons and hunters on Camp Ichigaya, en route to the Massacre or Bonds ending. [[spoiler: Should Nanashi fall in battle against either Merkabah or Lucifer, who are fought in sequence with no breaks to recover in between, when he comes back, Merkabah is also in there as well, alive and in good health, ready to be fought once again. And so are the hunters that he kills on his pre- and mid-battle dialogues. Since Dagda has no reason whatsoever to bring those back to life...!]]

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** [[BluntYes Yes]]. And, AsTheGoodBookSays, in face of such demons, humans should call His name and plead for His protection, thus giving Him the most recognition and observation above all else, further cementing his position as the Creator God. It's specifically ''because'' they didn't did so, and had instead the Demon Summoning Program to fend for themselves [[GodNeedsPrayersBadly instead of strenghteninig His existence with prayers and pleas]], that YHVH issued the global-scale ICBM strike, in order to both wipe out the DSP users and show that a God scorned is more dangerous than physical demons. So, basically, [[Catch22Dilemma get on your knees and pray that the demons don't kill you, or get on your knees and pray so]] ''[[Catch22Dilemma He]]'' [[Catch22Dilemma won't kill you]].

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** A bit of FridgeBrilliance: Kinshicho wasn't in ''IV'', so Flynn never kicked out the Terminal Guardian. The Kinshicho hunters are probably very behind in [[{{Pun}} terms of terminals]] compared to everyone else.
** Another headscratcher: In ''IV'', even after Tayama's death, the Terminal Guardian still guards the Terminals. He's in almost every terminal. He even turns up in both final dungeons. At the point where ''IV'' diverges into ''Apocalypse'', he hasn't given up. He probably gave up on the Terminals that Flynn kicked him out of, but what about the ones that Flynn never visited, like the ones for the Fairy Forest and Kinshicho? It's possible that he didn't know about the Fairy Forest one (he wasn't in the Sky Terminal), but if there's an Ashura-Kai shop next door, he has to know about Kinshicho. Someone could have kicked him out like in Ginza, but he gets stronger in every iteration, and he'd be way beyond most Hunters.


** Welp Krishna and about every member of the Divine Powers is a god. Like Dagda, a ''lesser'' god, but a god nonetheless, so it's more of a title and what it entails than the actual powers that comes with it. Merkabah's probably sticking with it because he granted to Gaston a spear tailor-made for slaying dragons, which according to his logic, as far as we witnessed, is a gift as transhuman as he's willing to give to one of his "clean" Mikado subjects.

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** Welp Krishna Krishna, Shesha and about every member of the Divine Powers is a god. Like Dagda, a ''lesser'' god, but a god gods nonetheless, so it's more of a title and what it entails than the actual powers that comes with it. Merkabah's probably sticking with it calling them his Godslayers because he granted to Gaston a spear tailor-made for slaying dragons, which according to his logic, as far as we witnessed, is a gift as transhuman as he's willing to give to one of his "clean" Mikado subjects.

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** Welp Krishna and about every member of the Divine Powers is a god. Like Dagda, a ''lesser'' god, but a god nonetheless, so it's more of a title and what it entails than the actual powers that comes with it. Merkabah's probably sticking with it because he granted to Gaston a spear tailor-made for slaying dragons, which according to his logic, as far as we witnessed, is a gift as transhuman as he's willing to give to one of his "clean" Mikado subjects.


* As a matter of fact, why Danu even ''is''? Nozomi's sidequests on the previous game concluded with Black Maria passing ''her powers'' to our dear shotgun photographer, not a part of her soul or even the seed for a new Danu to rise. As a matter of fact the dialogue says outright that Nozomi would transcend her humanity to ''be'' Danu, instead of becoming her chosen one, physical vessel or something on that level. While this troper can agree that her absence would leave some gaping holes in the plot, not having a single lampshade to explain this discrepancy doesn't fix the problem at all.

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* As a matter of fact, why Danu even ''is''? Nozomi's sidequests on the previous game concluded with Black Maria passing ''her powers'' to our dear shotgun photographer, not a part of her soul or even the seed for a new Danu to rise. As a matter of fact the dialogue says outright that Nozomi would transcend her humanity to ''be'' Danu, Danu eventually, instead of becoming her chosen one, physical vessel or something on that level. While this troper can agree that her absence would leave some gaping holes in the plot, not having a single lampshade to explain this discrepancy doesn't fix the problem at all.

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