History Headscratchers / SeraphOfTheEnd

* How is Mitsuba not dead yet? I mean she's the most useless character in the Shinoa Squad. Yuu has a Progenitor's brother in a sword, Shinoa has Shikama Doji, Yoichi has Gekkoin, a guy with a six pack and Shiho has Kiseki-o who has burial ground powers, yet Tenjiryu....what's so special about him? He seems pretty normal, and has the weakest power of the main 5 (6?)
** We've seen it generate flames, so that's something....

* Why did Mitsuba join the army, let alone the Shinoa Squad? She's the most useless and has no motive. Think about it....

Yu - Revenge for muh family.

*** Shinoa's case is different. [[spoiler: She was neglected by her family, Kureto tried to get her raped, what Mahiru did to protect her, she was born with demons inside her, had to suffer nightmares and all etc. etc. etc., remember?]] Shinoa has a backstory that certainly makes her motives more than understandable, but Mitsuba gets nothing. No sympathetic backstory or anything. She just acts like a spoiled dick for no reason. Also she got a whole squad murdered, how come she isn't kicked out yet?

* So....who were Krul's parents? And why did the First Progenitor pick her and Ashera as his minions?

** Alternatively he could be a kwami from ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'', and he grants the user bat themed powers. That explains why he (she? It?) sticks to Krul like a magnet

** Most likely not. Currently nothing has indicated this.

* Do you guys think [[BitchInSheepsClothing Yoichi]] will kill Lacus? In [[spoiler: chapter 51, he confessed to his demon Gekkoin that he actually has a dark side and he's secretly very violent, wants to punish Lacus so badly that Lacus will regret being born. But the thing is, I don't want Lacus to die. In fact, I think he's one of the best characters of the show. Think of it. One of the reasons Lacus appeals to me so much is that, you see, vampires are supposed to be 'OMG we have no emotions/loved ones, romance and friendship is for suckas'. But [[spoiler: Lacus isn't like that. Even though he doesn't look it, he's actually friendly, kind and caring. Even though Mika brushes him off, he still tries to be kind to him and tries to be his friend. And this is what strikes me - Lacus, a vampire who sees humans as mere livestock - has no qualms and is even open and encouraging to be friends with Mika. Every time I see Mika ignore him or brush him off, it kinda hurts me because Lacus just wants to be friends.]] You can do so many interesting things with this character. Look at the potential you have here. So far, the only vampires that we've seen that have loved ones are Mika, Krul and mayyyyybe Crowley, but Lacus has one too, even though he's not as important as them. Vampires caring for each other is really rare, and it's interesting seeing one actually caring.Lacus shows concern for Mika even though he doesn't return his feelings. He even asks if Krul was the one who [[AccidentalInnuedo turned him]]. You can chalk it up to him wanting to climb the popularity ladder, but I don't think that's the case. And, unlike Ferid and Crowley, he's not doing it for the sake of entertainment. He actually does seem like a genuinely NiceGuy. Proof? He was Renè's first friend. Stoic, aloof, cold, formal Renè's first and best friend. I know when a human turns into a vampire they lose their emotions and blablabla, but Lacus looks like he still has that social, friendly, bubbly charm in him. My point is, Lacus is a good character and shouldn't be killed off. In fact, I think he's actually even nicer than Yoichi. If Yoichi kills him off, I'm going to hate Yoichi. Lacus is pretty interesting, and I can't wait for Kagami to give us an insight if his life and backstory, and why he's like that.
* I love Lacus! I ship him and Renè (remember that scene where they showered and changed together), and yes, killing him off would ruin a lot for the show. Lacus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yoichi. I can't wait for his backstory to, the grape boi deserves more love!

One of the other things I like about Lacus is that apart from being the PerpetualSmiler of the trio, he's also the one with a sense of humour. When Mika is beating up Aiko, he's laughing his pants off (BlackComedy, I know, but that's just how I prefer my comedy) and laughs a lot in general.
** You're so lucky....Can you tell me more about it? I've always wanted that material but couldn't find it

*** It's also notable Ferid and Lacus are foils to each other - they are both PerpetualSmiler LongHairedPrettyBoy s, they both are sadistic in combat and both have beef with certain members of the Shinoa Squad, but while Lacus is more open, friendly and genuinely cares about his friends , Ferid is deceptive and would happily kill them off for his entertainment. Crowley and Renè can be considered foils as they're both the least Bishonen of the vampires, extremely powerful for their rank, are best friends with a LongHairedPrettyBoy and care about glory in battle.

** Maybe the foreshadowing is, given Lacus' status as a PerpetualSmiler (boy that's come up a lot today huh) with a wicked sense of humour, he's secretly a StepfordSmiler? Something to do with his siblings. (why else would Takaya Kagami mention that little detail?)

** It didn't name them....

** ^ Eggplantus Boius, Blackberrius gurlus, Raspberrious Boius, Raisinus Gurlus, there are are you happy now?

* ^GUYS, you being LGBT has nothing to do with it. Plenty of LGBT like Mikayuu. A lot of depth was put into their relationship, hence why its so popular, but LGBT isn't a hivemind and that's why your opinion differs. Plus, what is a "realistic portrayal" of a couple, gay or otherwise? Everyone's experience differs because people are different, besides this is an post-apocalyptic ANIME. I think what people mean when they say "realistic" is that it isn't burdened with yaoi tropes and is thus more natural for appearing in a mainstream form of media.
* You say that Yuu/Mika won't happen because this is not a yaoi anime/manga. I hate it when you keep confusing yaoi (explicit sex between two guys) and shounen-ai (explicit relationship between two guys, no sex involved). Also, even as a shipper myself, OF COURSE it won't happen because of the sheer heteronormativity expectation. Now, to debunk your arguments. You said that Yuu/Mika is invalid because of the word "family". Hello, Yuu also calls Shinoa "family", by your logic, he sees her as a family and nothing more, yet her crush on him is not incestous but a possibility of a relationship between Yuu and Mika is. Sounds hypocritical to me. For the whole "same last name" thing, you realize that everyone in the Hyakuya family had that name? And Akane had a crush on Mika? By that logic, shouldn't that be incestous, too? And you said that Krul and Mika kissed, Yuu and Mika didn't, and that Krul and Mika have been so-called "having sex" as in blood drinking. Well, he also drinks directly from Yuu from now on. He also "had sex" with Yuu. And she calls him her son. She sees it that way, and I'm not even putting words in her mouth. Also, you realize that Mika were willing to run away, leaving Krul, in favor of living alone with Yuu? And suggesting that Yuu and Mika are ''biologically'' related?! Dudeee. They have different parents, why else would they used to be an Amane and a Shindo?! Can you even see that Yuu and Mika's parents had vastly different ways in abusing them?! You dislike the ship, sure, okay, all good. But throwing these "they are brothers", "they are related", "they don't kiss" thingy around is just purely ridiculous.

* So who were Ferid's family? Parents? Siblings?

** It's actually a case of TruthinTelevision. You'd be amazed on how people with lots of political power can get away with whatever they want.

*** Mika and Krul are CHILDREN. Vampires, but still children. So marriage seems kind of....

[[folder: Rumours and lies]]
* So how did Lacus hear those rumours about Mika being turned by Krul?

*** ^ I doubt it. That sounds ''way'' out of character for the both of them.

** [[spoiler: Yu, Shiho and Yoichi could have the same mom as well...]]

* Krul's last name is Tepes. In [[spoiler: Chapter 69, it's revealed she's from a noble family. She was apparently being punished for something her ancestors did. Who else has the last name Tepes? [[UsefulNotes/VladTheImpaler Vlad Tepes]]. Vlad is Romanian, so does that make Krul Romanian?]]

** Does that have anything to do with her [[EuropeansAreKinky behaviour]] around Mika?

** Crowley Eusford: From England probably, he's implied to be British mate
** Lacus Welt: He has a German last name, Welt (which means "world") so he could possibly be from Germany or Austria

*** He has a StiffUpperLip
** Lest Kerr: He has a Greek name
** Chess Belle: French name
** Horn Skuld: Scandinavian name
** Mikaela Hyakuya: Russia

* Just reading the Light Novels and I realized this. Crowley's comrades have French and Spanish names yet Crowley himself has a British name. In which country does he live in again? It's never specified.

* When is Chapter 68 gonna be English dubbed? I found a copy of it online....but it was Korean. I heard they're going to explore Krul's past in it.

* What will Ashura do if he possesses Seraph!Yuu?

* What if a human is possessed by a demon (like Yu/Ashera) but then turns into a vampire? What happens to the demon?

* Coming back from reading chapter 74, and at the end [[spoiler:Shinoa is apparently turning into a vampire according to Mika.]] But how is that possible if [[spoiler:she]] didn't consume any blood from a progenitor? Just...how?

** I hate it when people say Mika/Yuu is a realistic depiction of a gay couple because....it's not. I am LGBT like you, yet I cannot relate to them at all, I actually find Yuu/Shinoa, Shiho/Shinoa, Yuu/Asuramaru, Crowley/Shinoa, Mika/Krul, Lacus/Rene, or Ferid/Crowley more realistic but not MikaYuu. It just seems fake to me.

* ^^^How the heck does Crowley/Shinoa seem more "realistic" than Mika/Yuu??

*** To be fair, Yu had to save everyone's ass at some point, not just her.

* Do you guys think [[BitchInSheepsClothing Yoichi]] will kill Lacus? In [[spoiler: chapter 51, he confessed to his demon Gekkoin that he actually has a dark side and he's secretly very violent, wants to punish Lacus so badly that Lacus will regret being born.But the thing is, I don't want Lacus to die. In fact, I think he's one of the best characters of the show. Think of it. One of the reasons Lacus appeals to me so much is that, you see, vampires are supposed to be 'OMG we have no emotions/loved ones, romance and friendship is for suckas'. But [[spoiler: Lacus isn't like that. Even though he doesn't look it, he's actually friendly, kind and caring. Even though Mika brushes him off, he still tries to be kind to him and tries to be his friend. And this is what strikes me - Lacus, a vampire who sees humans as mere livestock - has no qualms and is even open and encouraging to be friends with Mika. Every time I see Mika ignore him or brush him off, it kinda hurts me because Lacus just wants to be friends.]] You can do so many interesting things with this character. Look at the potential you have here. So far, the only vampires that we've seen that have loved ones are Mika, Krul and mayyyyybe Crowley, but Lacus has one too, even though he's not as important as them. Vampires caring for each other is really rare, and it's interesting seeing one actually caring.Lacus shows concern for Mika even though he doesn't return his feelings. He even asks if Krul was the one who [[AccidentalInnuedo turned him]]. You can chalk it up to him wanting to climb the popularity ladder, but I don't think that's the case. And, unlike Ferid and Crowley, he's not doing it for the sake of entertainment. He actually does seem like a genuinely NiceGuy. Proof? He was Renè's first friend. Stoic, aloof, cold, formal Renè's first and best friend. I know when a human turns into a vampire they lose their emotions and blablabla, but Lacus looks like he still has that social, friendly, bubbly charm in him. My point is, Lacus is a good character and shouldn't be killed off. In fact, I think he's actually even nicer than Yoichi. If Yoichi kills him off, I'm going to hate Yoichi. Lacus is pretty interesting, and I can't wait for Kagami to give us an insight if his life and backstory, and why he's like that.

** Some people just are assholes
** Living in all that Hiragi wealth and luxury has made him a spoilt brat

** Nothing really implies that, so I can say no for now.

* So Ferid was killing, Crowley was suffering and people were dying. One question: Where was Krul in all lf this? Did she just turn a blind eye to the human's suffering? Or did she just not care?

** Nothing really implies so.

* How did Ferid know Crowley had a Seraph gene? Crowley never said/made referenceto it before, I doubt he even knew about Seraphim and Michaela before that.

* Does anyone else find Mitsuba's FreudianExcuse pathetic? Not that it's not sad, it is tragic losing all your comrades but I hate how she slapped Yuu for saving a kid and acted like a bitch to him for that
** I agree. She should be kicked out of the Shinoa Squad and be replaced by someone who isn't a bitch

*** Not much compared to the other demons

Yu - Revenge for muh family

Shinoa - As the daughter of the Hiragis, she wanted to prove herself powerful

Shiho - His sister

Yoichi - Also his sister

*** To be fair, Yu had to save everyone's ass at some point as well.

** Male bats have penises, though they're hidden under the hair
*** We haven't ever seen a penis or Arukanu so far so I'd have to say female
*** We've never seen a penis on Arukanu.....because we've never had a shot of him from the back

*** Like a normal penis, how else would it look like
*** Look it up on Google Images
*** no

* How did Ferid know Crowley had a Seraph gene? Crowley never said/made referenceto it before, I doubt he even knew about Seraphim and Michaela before that

** ^ Eggplantus Boius, Blackberrius gurlus, Raspberrious Boius, Raisinus Gurlus, there are are you happy now
* Is Lacus German? He has a German last name (Welt means 'world' in German)

** Yep

*** He could also be British as Britain and France had an awful habit of stealing each other's land in the past, so wouldn't be surprised if he got stuck in one way

* Do you guys think [[BitchInSheepsClothing Yoichi]] will kill Lacus? In [[spoiler: In chapter 51, he confessed to his demon Gekkoin that he actually has a dark side and he's secretly very violent, wants to punish Lacus so badly that Lacus will regret being born.But the thing is, I don't want Lacus to die. In fact, I think he's one of the best characters of the show. Think of it. One of the reasons Lacus appeals to me so much is that, you see, vampires are supposed to be 'OMG we have no emotions/loved ones, romance and friendship is for suckas'. But [[spoiler: Lacus isn't like that. Even though he doesn't look it, he's actually friendly, kind and caring. Even though Mika brushes him off, he still tries to be kind to him and tries to be his friend. And this is what strikes me - Lacus, a vampire who sees humans as mere livestock - has no qualms and is even open and encouraging to be friends with Mika. Every time I see Mika ignore him or brush him off, it kinda hurts me because Lacus just wants to be friends.]] You can do so many interesting things with this character. Look at the potential you have here. So far, the only vampires that we've seen that have loved ones are Mika, Krul and mayyyyybe Crowley, but Lacus has one too, even though he's not as important as them. Vampires caring for each other is really rare, and it's interesting seeing one actually caring.Lacus shows concern for Mika even though he doesn't return his feelings. He even asks if Krul was the one who [[AccidentalInnuedo turned him]]. You can chalk it up to him wanting to climb the popularity ladder, but I don't think that's the case. And, unlike Ferid and Crowley, he's not doing it for the sake of entertainment. He actually does seem like a genuinely NiceGuy. Proof? He was Renè's first friend. Stoic, aloof, cold, formal Renè's first and best friend. I know when a human turns into a vampire they lose their emotions and blablabla, but Lacus looks like he still has that social, friendly, bubbly charm in him. My point is, Lacus is a good character and shouldn't be killed off. In fact, I think he's actually even nicer than Yoichi. If Yoichi kills him off, I'm going to hate Yoichi. Lacus is pretty interesting, and I can't wait for Kagami to give us an insight if his life and backstory, and why he's like that.

Mitsuba - annoying typical anime tsundere with no distinctive qualities or characteristics, nothing interesting about her, slapped a boy for saving a kid, threw an unnecessary tantrum in S2E1 (who throws a tantrum over a PROMOTION) only exists for the Shinoa/Mitsuba/Yu love triangle and a fellow girl for Shinoa, nothing good about her

** She felt overshadowed by her big sister and wanted to prove herself like Shinoa
*** Shinoa's case is different. [[spoiler: She was abused by her family, Kureto tried to get her raped, what Mahiru did to protect her, she was born with demons inside her, had to suffer nightmares and all etc. etc. etc., remember?]] Shinoa has a backstory that certainly makes her motives more than understandable, but Mitsuba gets nothing. No sympathetic backstory or anything. She just acts like a spoiled dick for no reason. Also she got a whole squad murdered, how come she isn't kicked out yet?

*** Have you guys been paying attention? Mitsuba was upset over the promotion because she knows she only got it because she was a Sangu, not because she ACTUALLY deserved it. And why must there be a back story like Shinoa in order for her case to be justified? Her inferiority complex with Aoi is a big part of her character.

** Chapter 69 reveals that she was the daughter of a noble family and more

* Question. So if Crowley told Krul his backstory and all.....would Krul take him in? Would she accept him? Maybe they could make friendship bracelets over murdering Ferid

*** Ferid says he's been stalking Crowley's bloodline for a long time. But that also brings up the question of how he knew THEY had the gene

* Do you guys think [[BitchInSheepsClothing Yoichi]] will kill Lacus? In [[spoiler: Chapters 50-60 he confessed to his demon Gekkoin that he actually has a dark side and he's secretly very violent, wants to punish Lacus so badly that Lacus will regret being born.But the thing is, I don't want Lacus to die. In fact, I think he's one of the best characters of the show. Think of it. One of the reasons Lacus appeals to me so much is that, you see, vampires are supposed to be 'OMG we have no emotions/loved ones, romance and friendship is for suckas'. But [[spoiler: Lacus isn't like that. Even though he doesn't look it, he's actually friendly, kind and caring. Even though Mika brushes him off, he still tries to be kind to him and tries to be his friend. And this is what strikes me - Lacus, a vampire who sees humans as mere livestock - has no qualms and is even open and encouraging to be friends with Mika. Every time I see Mika ignore him or brush him off, it kinda hurts me because Lacus just wants to be friends.]] You can do so many interesting things with this character. Look at the potential you have here. So far, the only vampires that we've seen that have loved ones are Mika, Krul and mayyyyybe Crowley, but Lacus has one too, even though he's not as important as them. Vampires caring for each other is really rare, and it's interesting seeing one actually caring.Lacus shows concern for Mika even though he doesn't return his feelings. He even asks if Krul was the one who [[AccidentalInnuedo turned him]]. You can chalk it up to him wanting to climb the popularity ladder, but I don't think that's the case. And, unlike Ferid and Crowley, he's not doing it for the sake of entertainment. He actually does seem like a genuinely NiceGuy. Proof? He was Renè's first friend. Stoic, aloof, cold, formal Renè's first and best friend. I know when a human turns into a vampire they lose their emotions and blablabla, but Lacus looks like he still has that social, friendly, bubbly charm in him. My point is, Lacus is a good character and shouldn't be killed off. In fact, I think he's actually even nicer than Yoichi. If Yoichi kills him off, I'm going to hate Yoichi. Lacus is pretty interesting, and I can't wait for Kagami to give us an insight if his life and backstory, and why he's like that.

*** Rene is exceptionally powerful for a vampire even though he's not a progenitor
*** Lacus and Rene won't get to do much until Volume 7 (though volume 7 has already been released and no, they don't do much)
*** Takaya's always planned to do the write up with them when Yoichi's on the cover
Sorry if it's not enough, I can add more if you want.

*** You mean [[GratitousGerman Mein Gott]], it makes so much sense

*** That also explains how Lacus is a guard (a fancy ass position in vampire society) - Ferid ensured his nephew/relative sticks close by
*** And why Mika is assigned with Lacus and Renè - Ferid wants his nephew to be friends with Mika

** Maybe the foreshadowing is, given Lacus' status as a PerpetualSmiler (boy that's come up a lot today huh) with a wicked sense of humour, he's secretly a StepfordSmiler? Something to do with his siblings (why else would Takaya Kagami mention that little detail?)

** Lol, Rene Descartes

** The First Progenitor is a weeaboo

** Probably yeah. I mean, they could stick the junk together so why not

*** No, she's kinky around Mika because that's just her
*** Not that the trope is wrong, Crowley's comrades are pretty kinky and they're implied to be British

* Okay, so I've been doing a bit of thinking about what countries the vampires are from

[[/folder: Crowley's Location]]
* Just reading the Light Novels and I realized this. Crowley's comrades have French and Spanish names yet Crowley himself has a British name. In which country does he live in again? It's never specified

* When is Chapter 68 gonna be English dubbed? I found a copy of it online....but it was Korean. I heard they're going to explore Krul's past in it
** It's HilariousInHindsight; some troper posted the above Headscratcher about Krul's past and parents, and a few months later.....bam, this happens...almost as if Takaya was reading TV Tropes

*** Cuz Aoi is a GoldDigger

** It's called a DoubleStandard

*** have you guys been paying attention??? Mitsuba was upset over the promotion because she knows she only got it because she was a Sangu, not because she ACTUALLY deserved it. And why must there be a big back story like Shinoa in order for her case to be fine? She feels overshadowed by Aoi and thus wants to prove herself.

*** Shinoa's case is different. [[spoiler: She was abused by her dad and Kureto, Kureto tried to get her raped, what Mahiru did to protect her, she was born with demons inside her, had to suffer nightmares and all etc. etc. etc., remember?]] Shinoa has a backstory that certainly makes her motives more than understandable, but Mitsuba gets nothing. No sympathetic backstory or anything. She just acts like a spoiled dick for no reason. Also she got a whole squad murdered, how come she isn't kicked out yet?

[[folder: Mika and Krul's Relationship]]
* Do Mika and Krul even have a mother/son relationship? Clearly anyone with a brain, eyes and common sense can tell, THEY DO NOT HAVE A MOTHER/SON RELATIONSHIP.

** First, Krul turns Mika into vampire. How does she do this? By kissing him on the lips. If you think that's normal behaviour for a mom and her son, you are clearly f*** in the head. What sort of mom kisses her son on the lips? No mom does, obviously, unless she's a paedophile and needs to go to jail. Now you can argue the kiss was the only way to get blood in his mouth, but remember, she was right on top of him, so she could have slit her wrists and gotten the blood down him. She obviously loves him.

** Secondly, their relationship is literally a sex metaphor. Think of it. The vampire on vampire bite is described as 'granting a feeling of immense immoral pleasure', not 'heated up' like the vampire on human bite. As described on the "Does This Remind You Of Anything" on the manga page, it's basically them having sex.

** And the way she uses double entendre while stroking his hair. She tells him to 'give his body what it desires' and 'her loyal servant for all of eternity'.

** I know she called him her son, but in the Japanese raws, vampires refer to the vampire they turned as 子(こramji: ko), which translates as child. However, Krul called Mika her son(息子、むすこ, romaji: musuko), which indicates her affection for him.

** In the Japanese text, the sires of vampires refer to the vampires they turned as child. However, Krul did not refer Mika as her child. Instead, she referred to him in a more intimate form

** And also, read ILoveYouVampireSon

** So why do people say that?

*** Yeah. It's not only that what creeps me out, but Krul is FOURTEEN. HOW CAN SHE BE A PARENT? Yeah I know about her being over 1200 chronologically, but biologically she is still FOURTEEN, and she cannot be a parent. It scares me, and makes me think of teenage pregnancy. Many 14 year olds could die from being parents. And Mika is 16, and that leaves a LOT of UnfortunateImplications
*** I really, really don't like the Mama Krul thing. I want to punch my screen with my bare fist every time I see anyone call her that. It's disturbing how the fans call a girl who's barely reached menstruation age a 'mom' and try to glorify it. Even if it's adoptive, it's still not okay. And every time anyone brings up the Mika/Krul pairing, people shout EEEWWW!!! GROSS!!! while defending.....well you know what they defend. Mika never refers to Krul as his mom, not even once or even a hint of anything referring to it, he always addresses her by her first name, and that's not how a mother/son relationship works.
*** I think they do it because Mikrul has a higher chance of happening than Mika/Yuu. Come on. They kissed, Mika and Yuu haven't, she constantly uses double entendre while stroking his hair, Yuu doesn't do anything of the sort and their vampire feeding sessions are basically sex that's been going on for 4 years. They're basically a married couple.
*** Given that Mika is an unwilling participant in Krul turning him into a vampire, wouldn't that mean she's sexually assaulting him?
*** To be fair she was saving his life, y'know, giving him the vampire equivalent of CPR

** Do you guys read what you write??? Krul calls Mika her son, a distinction that somehow means their relationship isn't parent-child? She's 'fourteen' (no she's not, calling her a child is insulting) and therefore can't feel maternal but can be married/sexually active? Ship what you want and all, but damn.
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*** I think they do it because Mikrul has a higher chance of happening than MikaYuu. Come on. They kissed, Mika and Yuu haven't, she constantly uses double entendre while stroking his hair, Yuu doesn't do anything of the sort and their vampire feeding sessions are basically sex that's been going on for 4 years. They're basically a married couple.

* Am I the only one who doesn't see MikaYuu? I am LGBT but I don't think Mika and Yu see each other romantically. My other gay friends aren't like Mika or Yu either. I think it's more of a brotherly relationship (they have the same last name ffs) and the show pushes the word family around a lot, I mean they make it obvious they think of each other as brothers and nothing more.
** I don't think Mika and Yu were intended to resonate with gay audiences at all. It's a Shounen anime series, not Yaoi, so I doubt MikaYuu will ever get canon
** I hate it when people say MikaYuu is a realistic depiction of a gay couple because....it's not. I am LGBT like you, yet I cannot relate to them at all, I actually find Yuu/Shinoa, Shiho/Shinoa, Yuu/Asuramaru, Crowley/Shinoa, Mika/Krul, Lacus/Rene, or Ferid/Crowley more realistic but not MikaYuu. It just seems fake to me.

^GUYS, you being LGBT has nothing to do with it. Plenty of LGBT like Mikayuu. A lot of depth was put into their relationship, hence why its so popular, but LGBT isn't a hivemind and that's why your opinion differs. Plus, what is a "realistic portrayal" of a couple, gay or otherwise? Everyone's experience differs because people are different, besides this is an post-apocalyptic ANIME. I think what people mean when they say "realistic" is that it isn't burdened with yaoi tropes and is thus more natural for appearing in a mainstream form of media.

[[folder: Mika and Krul's Relationship]]
* Do Mika and Krul even have a mother/son relationship? Clearly anyone with a brain, eyes and common sense can tell, THEY DO NOT HAVE A MOTHER/SON RELATIONSHIP.

** First, Krul turns Mika into vampire. How does she do this? By kissing him on the lips. If you think that's normal behaviour for a mom and her son, you are clearly f*** in the head. What sort of mom kisses her son on the lips? No mom does, obviously, unless she's a paedophile and needs to go to jail. Now you can argue the kiss was the only way to get blood in his mouth, but remember, she was right on top of him, so she could have slit her wrists and gotten the blood down him. She obviously loves him.

** Secondly, their relationship is literally a sex metaphor. Think of it. The vampire on vampire bite is described as 'granting a feeling of immense immoral pleasure', not 'heated up' like the vampire on human bite. As described on the "Does This Remind You Of Anything" on the manga page, it's basically them having sex.

** And the way she uses double entendre while stroking his hair. She tells him to 'give his body what it desires' and 'her loyal servant for all of eternity'.

** I know she called him her son, but in the Japanese raws, vampires refer to the vampire they turned as 子(こramji: ko), which translates as child. However, Krul called Mika her son(息子、むすこ, romaji: musuko), which indicates her affection for him.

** In the Japanese text, the sires of vampires refer to the vampires they turned as child. However, Krul did not refer Mika as her child. Instead, she referred to him in a more intimate form

** And also, read ILoveYouVampireSon

** So why do people say that?

*** Yeah. It's not only that what creeps me out, but Krul is FOURTEEN. HOW CAN SHE BE A PARENT? Yeah I know about her being over 1200 chronologically, but biologically she is still FOURTEEN, and she cannot be a parent. It scares me, and makes me think of teenage pregnancy. Many 14 year olds could die from being parents. And Mika is 16, and that leaves a LOT of UnfortunateImplications
*** I really, really don't like the Mama Krul thing. I want to punch my screen with my bare fist every time I see anyone call her that. It's disturbing how the fans call a girl who's barely reached menstruation age a 'mom' and try to glorify it. Even if it's adoptive, it's still not okay. And every time anyone brings up the Mika/Krul pairing, people shout EEEWWW!!! GROSS!!! while defending.....well you know what they defend. Mika never refers to Krul as his mom, not even once or even a hint of anything referring to it, he always addresses her by her first name, and that's not how a mother/son relationship works.
*** I think they do it because Mikrul has a higher chance of happening than MikaYuu. Come on. They kissed, Mika and Yuu haven't, she constantly uses double entendre while stroking his hair, Yuu doesn't do anything of the sort and their vampire feeding sessions are basically sex that's been going on for 4 years. They're basically a married couple.
*** Given that Mika is an unwilling participant in Krul turning him into a vampire, wouldn't that mean she's sexually assaulting him?

** Do you guys read what you write??? Krul calls Mika her son, a distinction that somehow means their relationship isn't parent-child? She's 'fourteen' (no she's not, calling her a child is insulting) and therefore can't feel maternal but can be married/sexually active? Ship what you want and all, but damn.
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** Do you guys read what your write??? Krul calls Mika her son, a distinction that somehow means their relationship isn't parent-child? She's 'fourteen' (no she's not, calling her a child is insulting) and therefore can't feel maternal but can be married/sexually active? Ship what you want and all, but damn.

*** Given that Mika is an unwilling participant is Krul turning him into a vampire, wouldn't that mean she's sexually assaulting him?

** Krul Tepes: [[UsefulNotes/Romania]] (discussed above)
** Crowley Eusford: From England probably, he's implied to be [[UsefulNotes/England British]] mate)

** René Simm: He has a French name so he could be from [[UsefulNotes/France]]

** Mikaela Hyakuya: [[UsefulNotes/Russia]]
** First Progenitor: [[UsefulNotes/America]] because he is fat and lazy

** Krul Tepes: [[UsefulNotes/Romania Romania]] (discussed above)

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