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** in 2 Xtreme Legends they do go the Alternate History route in Motochika Chosokabe's ending. The fact Motochika is even there is Alternate History itself since he died of illness in real life well before Sekegahara.
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** in 2 Xtreme Legends they do go the Alternate History route in Motochika Chosokabe's ending. The fact Motochika is even there is Alternate History itself since he died of illness in real life well before Sekegahara.Sekegahara.
* Who are, exactly, the ones referred to as "Miscreants" in the english version? I guess that Vagabonds are the Ronin, while Raiders and Marauders are self-explanatory... but who exactly are the Miscreants and why they look like sumo wrestlers?
* Who are, exactly, the ones referred to as "Miscreants" in the english version? I guess that Vagabonds are the Ronin, while Raiders and Marauders are self-explanatory... but who exactly are the Miscreants and why they look like sumo wrestlers?
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* This is less of a "I don't get it" but a "I get it and it still pisses me off", which is the Sanada Maru gives Nene a line that basically flies in the face of SW2 Nene's Dream Stage. Like, yeah, I know, in history Nene did not in fact charge into the battle of Sekigahara and dole out spankings until the two sides stopped fighting, but for her to actually declare such a desire selfishly treading on the earnest desires of everyone (to kill each other, woman!) just...argh, pisses me the fuck off!
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* This is less of a "I don't get it" but a "I get it and it still pisses me off", which is the that Sanada Maru gives Nene a line that basically flies in the face of SW2 Nene's Dream Stage. Like, yeah, I know, in history Nene did not in fact charge into the battle of Sekigahara and dole out spankings until the two sides stopped fighting, but for her to actually declare such a desire selfishly treading on the earnest desires of everyone (to kill each other, woman!) just...argh, pisses me the fuck off!
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* in Xtreme Legends they do go the Alternate History route in Motochika Chosokabe's ending. The fact Motochika is even there is Alternate History itself since he died of illness in real life well before Sekegahara.
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* Out of sheer curiosity, why in the second game, during the Western Side of the battle of Sekigahara they rarely adopt the alternate history approach but have Ieyasu and the main Tokugawa enforcers just run away defeated? They could as well have done it.
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* Out of sheer curiosity, why in the second game, during the Western Side of the battle of Sekigahara they rarely adopt the alternate history approach but have Ieyasu and the main Tokugawa enforcers just run away defeated? They could as well have done it.it.
*in Xtreme Legends they do go the Alternate History route in Motochika Chosokabe's ending. The fact Motochika is even there is Alternate History itself since he died of illness in real life well before Sekegahara.
*in Xtreme Legends they do go the Alternate History route in Motochika Chosokabe's ending. The fact Motochika is even there is Alternate History itself since he died of illness in real life well before Sekegahara.
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* This is less of a "I don't get it" but a "I get it and it still pisses me off", which is the Sanada Maru gives Nene a line that basically flies in the face of SW2 Nene's Dream Stage. Like, yeah, I know, in history Nene did not in fact charge into the battle of Sekigahara and dole out spankings until the two sides stopped fighting, but for her to actually declare such a desire selfishly treading on the earnest desires of everyone (to kill each other, woman!) just...argh, pisses me the fuck off!
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* This is less of a "I don't get it" but a "I get it and it still pisses me off", which is the Sanada Maru gives Nene a line that basically flies in the face of SW2 Nene's Dream Stage. Like, yeah, I know, in history Nene did not in fact charge into the battle of Sekigahara and dole out spankings until the two sides stopped fighting, but for her to actually declare such a desire selfishly treading on the earnest desires of everyone (to kill each other, woman!) just...argh, pisses me the fuck off!off!
* Out of sheer curiosity, why in the second game, during the Western Side of the battle of Sekigahara they rarely adopt the alternate history approach but have Ieyasu and the main Tokugawa enforcers just run away defeated? They could as well have done it.
* Out of sheer curiosity, why in the second game, during the Western Side of the battle of Sekigahara they rarely adopt the alternate history approach but have Ieyasu and the main Tokugawa enforcers just run away defeated? They could as well have done it.
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** I believe that's classic makeup worn by the aristocracy. By giving that look only to Yoshimoto, the game is implying that he's too stuck in the trappings of tradition to adapt to the new age.
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** I believe that's classic makeup worn by the aristocracy. By giving that look only to Yoshimoto, the game is implying that he's too stuck in the trappings of tradition to adapt to the new age.age.
* This is less of a "I don't get it" but a "I get it and it still pisses me off", which is the Sanada Maru gives Nene a line that basically flies in the face of SW2 Nene's Dream Stage. Like, yeah, I know, in history Nene did not in fact charge into the battle of Sekigahara and dole out spankings until the two sides stopped fighting, but for her to actually declare such a desire selfishly treading on the earnest desires of everyone (to kill each other, woman!) just...argh, pisses me the fuck off!
* This is less of a "I don't get it" but a "I get it and it still pisses me off", which is the Sanada Maru gives Nene a line that basically flies in the face of SW2 Nene's Dream Stage. Like, yeah, I know, in history Nene did not in fact charge into the battle of Sekigahara and dole out spankings until the two sides stopped fighting, but for her to actually declare such a desire selfishly treading on the earnest desires of everyone (to kill each other, woman!) just...argh, pisses me the fuck off!
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** Also, bear in mind that it IS Ieyasu. A man famous for cleverness and patience. He may have ceded the leading man's role to Hideyoshi, either to draw focus off of himself, or out of genuine realization that Hideyoshi had a more suited approach for the times.
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* Can someone explain to me the deal with Yoshimoto Imagawa's appearance? I noticed that Sengoku Basara portrays their version of the same person in the same way with the pale face and dotted eyebrows. Is this something that makes more sense to Japanese gamers? I want to say it's a reference to Noh plays much like how Lu Bu's feathered hat is a reference to Chinese opera but I know nothing about Noh plays other than those masks.
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* Can someone explain to me the deal with Yoshimoto Imagawa's appearance? I noticed that Sengoku Basara portrays their version of the same person in the same way with the pale face and dotted eyebrows. Is this something that makes more sense to Japanese gamers? I want to say it's a reference to Noh plays much like how Lu Bu's feathered hat is a reference to Chinese opera but I know nothing about Noh plays other than those masks.masks.
** I believe that's classic makeup worn by the aristocracy. By giving that look only to Yoshimoto, the game is implying that he's too stuck in the trappings of tradition to adapt to the new age.
** I believe that's classic makeup worn by the aristocracy. By giving that look only to Yoshimoto, the game is implying that he's too stuck in the trappings of tradition to adapt to the new age.
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* The SW4 Legend of the Sanada ending leaves me confused. Or more specifically, Nobuyuki's version does. The ending is mostly the same across both characters, the main difference being which Sanada wins the final duel. But no matter who wins, Yukimura goes on to his DyingMomentOfAwesome... but what I wonder is, why doesn't Nobuyuki stop him? In Yukimura's version of the ending it's understandable, Yukimura wins the duel, so Nobuyuki can't do anything. But in Nobuyuki's ending, he manages to beat Yukimura, so he should've been in a perfect position to capture him or otherwise stop him, but instead he lets Yukimura pick up his spear and go die. I get that Koei wants quasi-accuracy, but still...
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* The SW4 Legend of the Sanada ending leaves me confused. Or more specifically, Nobuyuki's version does. The ending is mostly the same across both characters, the main difference being which Sanada wins the final duel. But no matter who wins, Yukimura goes on to his DyingMomentOfAwesome... but what I wonder is, why doesn't Nobuyuki stop him? In Yukimura's version of the ending it's understandable, Yukimura wins the duel, so Nobuyuki can't do anything. But in Nobuyuki's ending, he manages to beat Yukimura, so he should've been in a perfect position to capture him or otherwise stop him, but instead he lets Yukimura pick up his spear and go die. I get that Koei wants quasi-accuracy, but still...still...
* Can someone explain to me the deal with Yoshimoto Imagawa's appearance? I noticed that Sengoku Basara portrays their version of the same person in the same way with the pale face and dotted eyebrows. Is this something that makes more sense to Japanese gamers? I want to say it's a reference to Noh plays much like how Lu Bu's feathered hat is a reference to Chinese opera but I know nothing about Noh plays other than those masks.
* Can someone explain to me the deal with Yoshimoto Imagawa's appearance? I noticed that Sengoku Basara portrays their version of the same person in the same way with the pale face and dotted eyebrows. Is this something that makes more sense to Japanese gamers? I want to say it's a reference to Noh plays much like how Lu Bu's feathered hat is a reference to Chinese opera but I know nothing about Noh plays other than those masks.
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** With the addition of Hisahide in SW4 it looks like there may be some focus given to it.
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** With the addition of Hisahide in SW4 it looks like there may be some focus given to it.it.
* The SW4 Legend of the Sanada ending leaves me confused. Or more specifically, Nobuyuki's version does. The ending is mostly the same across both characters, the main difference being which Sanada wins the final duel. But no matter who wins, Yukimura goes on to his DyingMomentOfAwesome... but what I wonder is, why doesn't Nobuyuki stop him? In Yukimura's version of the ending it's understandable, Yukimura wins the duel, so Nobuyuki can't do anything. But in Nobuyuki's ending, he manages to beat Yukimura, so he should've been in a perfect position to capture him or otherwise stop him, but instead he lets Yukimura pick up his spear and go die. I get that Koei wants quasi-accuracy, but still...
* The SW4 Legend of the Sanada ending leaves me confused. Or more specifically, Nobuyuki's version does. The ending is mostly the same across both characters, the main difference being which Sanada wins the final duel. But no matter who wins, Yukimura goes on to his DyingMomentOfAwesome... but what I wonder is, why doesn't Nobuyuki stop him? In Yukimura's version of the ending it's understandable, Yukimura wins the duel, so Nobuyuki can't do anything. But in Nobuyuki's ending, he manages to beat Yukimura, so he should've been in a perfect position to capture him or otherwise stop him, but instead he lets Yukimura pick up his spear and go die. I get that Koei wants quasi-accuracy, but still...
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* Any reason why the games ignore the Ashikaga Shogunate's collapse, I mean, that part of history is what lead to the Warring States Period, didn't it?
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* Any reason why the games ignore the Ashikaga Shogunate's collapse, I mean, that part of history is what lead to the Warring States Period, didn't it?it?
** With the addition of Hisahide in SW4 it looks like there may be some focus given to it.
** With the addition of Hisahide in SW4 it looks like there may be some focus given to it.
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** If you actually look at it they never truly let Ieyasu "win", just avoid conquest, so it's more like "win the battle, lose the war" kind of case.
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** If you actually look at it they never truly let Ieyasu "win", just avoid conquest, so it's more like "win the battle, lose the war" kind of case.case.
* Any reason why the games ignore the Ashikaga Shogunate's collapse, I mean, that part of history is what lead to the Warring States Period, didn't it?
* Any reason why the games ignore the Ashikaga Shogunate's collapse, I mean, that part of history is what lead to the Warring States Period, didn't it?
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* So something odd that happens in Hanzo's SW3 story (and I think Ina's or someone else's) is that Ieyasu wins the battle of Komaki-Nagakute and allows Hideyoshi to join him in his conquest (historically, it was the other way around). Just two stages later, Ieyasu is working for Hideyoshi. I know it's likely an oversight and they'd have to make another version of the stage just for this situation but still.
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* So something odd that happens in Hanzo's SW3 story (and I think Ina's or someone else's) is that Ieyasu wins the battle of Komaki-Nagakute and allows Hideyoshi to join him in his conquest (historically, it was the other way around). Just two stages later, Ieyasu is working for Hideyoshi. I know it's likely an oversight and they'd have to make another version of the stage just for this situation but still.still.
** If you actually look at it they never truly let Ieyasu "win", just avoid conquest, so it's more like "win the battle, lose the war" kind of case.
** If you actually look at it they never truly let Ieyasu "win", just avoid conquest, so it's more like "win the battle, lose the war" kind of case.
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* So something odd that happens in Hanzo's SW3 story (and I think Ina's or someone else's) is that Ieyasu wins the battle of Komaki-Nagakute and allows Hideyoshi to join him in his conquest (historically, it was the other way around). Just two stages later, Ieyasu is working for Hideyoshi. I know it's likely an oversight and they'd have to make another version of the stage just for this situation but still.
