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** Any time you are teamed up with Gat in the games, he is ''significantly'' more deadly than the Boss.

* I bought the National Treasure Edition not too long ago and tonight I installed the DLC. I just got into the first few missions of the game but I can't see if any of my DLC like outfits or weapons or vehicles installed. Do I unlock them and all the DLC missions later in the game? Do I need to redownload them by logging into my microsoft account and downloading them in xbox live?

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** Any time you are teamed up with Gat in the games, he is ''significantly'' more deadly than the Boss.

* I bought the National Treasure Edition not too long ago and tonight I installed the DLC. I just got into the first few missions of the game but I can't see if any of my DLC like outfits or weapons or vehicles installed. Do I unlock them and all the DLC missions later in the game? Do I need to redownload them by logging into my microsoft account and downloading them in xbox live?
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** Any time you are teamed up with Gat in the games, he is ''significantly'' more deadly than the Boss.

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** Any time you are teamed up with Gat in the games, he is ''significantly'' more deadly than the Boss.Boss.

* I bought the National Treasure Edition not too long ago and tonight I installed the DLC. I just got into the first few missions of the game but I can't see if any of my DLC like outfits or weapons or vehicles installed. Do I unlock them and all the DLC missions later in the game? Do I need to redownload them by logging into my microsoft account and downloading them in xbox live?
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** Gat's got a history of intense, excessive violence and has never really shown much beyond that. While the Boss is a violent person they're still (comparatively) thinking long term and their plans and methods are probably getting the attention rather any death toll.

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** Gat's got a history of intense, excessive violence and has never really shown much beyond that. While the Boss is a violent person they're still (comparatively) thinking long term and their plans and methods are probably getting the attention rather any death toll.toll.
** Any time you are teamed up with Gat in the games, he is ''significantly'' more deadly than the Boss.
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* Why does everyone keep calling Gat the "most dangerous person alive?" It's made empirically, PAINFULLY clear that that title belongs to the Boss, not Gat. Gat is the second most badass.

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* Why does everyone keep calling Gat the "most dangerous person alive?" It's made empirically, PAINFULLY clear that that title belongs to the Boss, not Gat. Gat is the second most badass.badass.
** Gat's got a history of intense, excessive violence and has never really shown much beyond that. While the Boss is a violent person they're still (comparatively) thinking long term and their plans and methods are probably getting the attention rather any death toll.
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* If the boss was Nolan North this whole time, when did he have time for his acting career? And why would he have a problem with Kinzie blurting his name?

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* If the boss was Nolan North this whole time, when did he have time for his acting career? And why would he have a problem with Kinzie blurting his name?name?
** The boss wasn't Nolan North. It was a joke.

* Why does everyone keep calling Gat the "most dangerous person alive?" It's made empirically, PAINFULLY clear that that title belongs to the Boss, not Gat. Gat is the second most badass.

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* So...was Keith David brainwashed to betray the Saints, or did he voluntarily betray them and then get brainwashed when he tried to switch sides again, or what?
** Likely voluntary, then he realized that betraying the Boss is a stupid thing to do.

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* So... was Keith David brainwashed to betray the Saints, or did he voluntarily betray them and then get brainwashed when he tried to switch sides again, or what?
** Likely voluntary, then he realized that betraying the Boss is a stupid thing to do.do.

* If the boss was Nolan North this whole time, when did he have time for his acting career? And why would he have a problem with Kinzie blurting his name?
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* So...was Keith David brainwashed to betray the Saints, or did he voluntarily betray them and then get brainwashed when he tried to switch sides again, or what?

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* So...was Keith David brainwashed to betray the Saints, or did he voluntarily betray them and then get brainwashed when he tried to switch sides again, or what?what?
** Likely voluntary, then he realized that betraying the Boss is a stupid thing to do.
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** Additionally, unlike Miller and [[spoiler: Gat]], your other homies are probably not in high-security areas, making it piss easy to go and grab them.
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*** They're not looking for Zinyak's ship, they're looking for him personally. Remember, from what we see of it, the Zin Mothership is a PlanetSpaceship, so finding Zinyak's throneroom, let alone breaching his security, is a pretty big undertaking.



*** It's definitely King. Super Keith David is dressed like Lando Calrissian.

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*** It's definitely King. Super Keith David is dressed like Lando Calrissian.Calrissian.

* So...was Keith David brainwashed to betray the Saints, or did he voluntarily betray them and then get brainwashed when he tried to switch sides again, or what?
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** Well, this is the same series in which the people ignore the fact that you can look like a completely different person at any time, so Ben King (or is it Keith David?) looking like Morpheus from ''The Matrix'' while in the simulation won't even be noticeable to them.

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** Well, this is the same series in which the people ignore the fact that you can look like a completely different person at any time, so Ben King (or is it Keith David?) looking like Morpheus from ''The Matrix'' while in the simulation won't even be noticeable to them.them.
*** It's definitely King. Super Keith David is dressed like Lando Calrissian.
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** Well, this is the same series in which the people ignore the fact that the Boss can look like a completely different person at any time, so Ben King (or is it Keith Davis?) looking like Morpheus from ''The Matrix'' while in the simulation won't even be noticeable to them.

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** Well, this is the same series in which the people ignore the fact that the Boss you can look like a completely different person at any time, so Ben King (or is it Keith Davis?) David?) looking like Morpheus from ''The Matrix'' while in the simulation won't even be noticeable to them.
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** Well, this is the same series in which the people ignore the fact that Boss can look like a completely different person at any time, so Ben King (or is it Keith Davis?) looking like Morpheus from ''The Matrix'' while in the simulation won't even be noticeable to them.

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** Well, this is the same series in which the people ignore the fact that the Boss can look like a completely different person at any time, so Ben King (or is it Keith Davis?) looking like Morpheus from ''The Matrix'' while in the simulation won't even be noticeable to them.
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* Ben King's Super Homie image in the simulation looks completely different from the actual guy. I get that this is because of RuleOfFunny and as a ShoutOut to ''Film/TheMatrix'', but why doesn't anyone mention it in the game itself? It would be hard to miss.

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* Ben King's Super Homie image in the simulation looks completely different from the actual guy. I get that this is because of RuleOfFunny and as a ShoutOut to ''Film/TheMatrix'', but why doesn't anyone mention it in the game itself? It would be hard to miss.miss.
** Well, this is the same series in which the people ignore the fact that Boss can look like a completely different person at any time, so Ben King (or is it Keith Davis?) looking like Morpheus from ''The Matrix'' while in the simulation won't even be noticeable to them.
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* Why did they go with the model they used for [[spoiler: Warren Williams]] when they already had a much better choice in the game files? [[spoiler: The skinny bald black citizen in a suit.]]

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* Why did they go with the model they used for [[spoiler: Warren Williams]] when they already had a much better choice in the game files? [[spoiler: The skinny bald black citizen in a suit.]]]]

* Ben King's Super Homie image in the simulation looks completely different from the actual guy. I get that this is because of RuleOfFunny and as a ShoutOut to ''Film/TheMatrix'', but why doesn't anyone mention it in the game itself? It would be hard to miss.
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*** For the first, I have no clue. For the second, they're hiding in plain sight in the last place Zinyak would find them. Think of it like Han attaching the MF to the back of the Imperial Star Destroyer in ''The Empire Strikes Back''. It wouldn't even occur to Zinyak that they would be anywhere but far, far away from him. Also, they likely have cloaking devices and other tools with which to hide their location from the radars.

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*** For the first, I have no clue. For the second, they're hiding in plain sight in the last place Zinyak would find them. Think of it like Han attaching the MF to the back of the Imperial Star Destroyer in ''The Empire Strikes Back''. It wouldn't even occur to Zinyak that they would be anywhere but far, far away from him. Also, they likely have cloaking devices and other tools with which to hide their location from the radars.radars.
* Why did they go with the model they used for [[spoiler: Warren Williams]] when they already had a much better choice in the game files? [[spoiler: The skinny bald black citizen in a suit.]]
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** It's because Jonny is housed in an extra secure sim since he is a threat to the Zinyak. now at this point they do not know that (alltohugh the commentators of Murderbowl do mention an "Alien Warlord" that MATCHED Zinyak in all his chalenges which forced him to lock the warlord somewhere deep. I do *wonder* who could that be) Zinyak considered Jonny a prime threat. On the other hand when Kinzie found him she probably saw higher security around Gat.

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** It's because Jonny Johnny is housed in an extra secure sim since he is a serious threat to the Zinyak. now Zin. Now, at this point they do not know that (alltohugh (although the commentators of Murderbowl do mention an "Alien Warlord" that MATCHED Zinyak in all his chalenges challenges which forced him to lock the warlord somewhere deep. I do *wonder* who could that be) Zinyak considered Jonny Johnny a prime threat. On the other hand hand, when Kinzie found him she probably saw higher security around Gat.



* What's with the default stock faces for [[spoiler:rescuing Asha from her simulation]]? From a programming explanation, sure its easier to make an alternative version of something when you know what you're working with. But what's their in-setting explanation? It looked like they were [[spoiler:giving you Stock-Face so 'evil-you' could use your normal look, thus preventing Asha getting you mixed up. But then they went and made evil-you just Stock-Face with a beard.]] What's up with that? All Matt says is 'some specific concerns she has for you'; I don't get how that's supposed to explain anything.

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* What's with the default stock faces for [[spoiler:rescuing Asha from her simulation]]? From a programming explanation, sure its it's easier to make an alternative version of something when you know what you're working with. But what's their in-setting explanation? It looked like they were [[spoiler:giving you Stock-Face so 'evil-you' could use your normal look, thus preventing Asha getting you mixed up. But then they went and made evil-you just Stock-Face with a beard.]] What's up with that? All Matt says is 'some specific concerns she has for you'; I don't get how that's supposed to explain anything.



* How the hell did Oleg and Josh get to Camp David? Zinyak blew up the White House about two minutes after Josh made the offer. Infact, Josh and Oleg don't even seem to be aware of the invasion, which again makes no sense.

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* How the hell did Oleg and Josh get to Camp David? Zinyak blew up the White House about two minutes after Josh made the offer. Infact, In fact, Josh and Oleg don't even seem to be aware of the invasion, which again makes no sense.



** He also kept Zach and Bobby, the announcers for the Prof. Genki gameshow series, due to Prof. Genki's Mind over Murder being his favorite show. He kept them due to being an integral part of it.

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** He also kept Zach and Bobby, the announcers for the Prof. Genki gameshow series, due to Prof. Genki's Mind over Murder being his favorite show. He kept them due to them being an integral part of it.



** Presumably the same exact way; Violition probably didn't want us to have to go through the 'mech-suit in Zin ship' thing four more times. That would get really old really fast.

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** Presumably the same exact way; Violition Volition probably didn't want us to have to go through the 'mech-suit in Zin ship' thing four more times. That would get really old really fast.



*** For the first, I have no clue. For the second, they're hiding in plain sight in the last place Zinyak would find them. Think if it like Han attaching the MF to the back of the Imperial Star Destroyer in ''The Empire Strikes Back''. It wouldn't even occur to Zinyak that they would be anywhere but far, far away from him. Also, they likely have cloaking devices and other tools with which to hide their location from the radars.

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*** For the first, I have no clue. For the second, they're hiding in plain sight in the last place Zinyak would find them. Think if of it like Han attaching the MF to the back of the Imperial Star Destroyer in ''The Empire Strikes Back''. It wouldn't even occur to Zinyak that they would be anywhere but far, far away from him. Also, they likely have cloaking devices and other tools with which to hide their location from the radars.
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** He also kept Zach and Bobby, the announcers for the Prof. Genki gameshow series, due to Prof. Genki's Mind over Murder being his favorite show. He kept them due to being an integral part of it.
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** [[HandWave It's not.]] It's all just a [[RuleOfFunny joke]] on those evil twins with beards like evil!Spock from StarTrek. At this point the games rely on RuleOfFun and RuleOfFunny for gameplay so some things should just be seen as a part of the fun.
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*** For the first, I have no clue. For the second, they're hiding in plain sight in the last place Zinyak would find them. Think if it like Han attaching the MF to the back of the Imperial Star Destroyer in ''The Empire Strikes Back''. It wouldn't even occur to Zinyak that they would be anywhere but far, far away from him. Also, they likely have devices that will cloak their ship from any radars.

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*** For the first, I have no clue. For the second, they're hiding in plain sight in the last place Zinyak would find them. Think if it like Han attaching the MF to the back of the Imperial Star Destroyer in ''The Empire Strikes Back''. It wouldn't even occur to Zinyak that they would be anywhere but far, far away from him. Also, they likely have cloaking devices that will cloak and other tools with which to hide their ship location from any the radars.
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*** For the first, I have no clue. For the second, they're hiding in plain sight in the last place Zinyak would find them. Think if it like Han attaching the MF to the back of the Imperial Star Destroyer in ''The Empire Strikes Back''. Also, they likely have devices that will cloak their ship from any radars.

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*** For the first, I have no clue. For the second, they're hiding in plain sight in the last place Zinyak would find them. Think if it like Han attaching the MF to the back of the Imperial Star Destroyer in ''The Empire Strikes Back''. It wouldn't even occur to Zinyak that they would be anywhere but far, far away from him. Also, they likely have devices that will cloak their ship from any radars.
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** Second, who in their right mind would take refuge in the mother ship's interior? It's as if they're begging to be spotted.

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** Second, who in their right mind would take refuge in the mother ship's interior? It's as if they're begging to be spotted.spotted.
*** For the first, I have no clue. For the second, they're hiding in plain sight in the last place Zinyak would find them. Think if it like Han attaching the MF to the back of the Imperial Star Destroyer in ''The Empire Strikes Back''. Also, they likely have devices that will cloak their ship from any radars.
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** Presumably the same exact way; Violition probably didn't want us to have to go through the 'mech-suit in Zin ship' thing four more times. That would get really old really fast.

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** Presumably the same exact way; Violition probably didn't want us to have to go through the 'mech-suit in Zin ship' thing four more times. That would get really old really fast.fast.

* Two part question:
** First, why do the Saints keep saying that they need to find Zinyak's mother ship when they're actually docked ''inside'' the mother ship?
** Second, who in their right mind would take refuge in the mother ship's interior? It's as if they're begging to be spotted.
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** Presumably the same exact way, Violition probably didn't want us to have to go through the 'mech-suit in Zin ship' thing four more times. That would get really old really fast.

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** Presumably the same exact way, way; Violition probably didn't want us to have to go through the 'mech-suit in Zin ship' thing four more times. That would get really old really fast.
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* When you break Matt and later [[spoiler: Gat]] out, you have to go into the Zin's ship to pick them up. So how does Shaundi, Pierce, King, and Asha just wind up in your ship?

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* When you break Matt and later [[spoiler: Gat]] out, you have to go into the Zin's ship to pick them up. So how does Shaundi, Pierce, King, and Asha just wind up in your ship?ship?
** Presumably the same exact way, Violition probably didn't want us to have to go through the 'mech-suit in Zin ship' thing four more times. That would get really old really fast.
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* When you break Matt and later Gat out, you have to go into the Zin's ship to pick them up. So how does Shaundi, Pierce, King, and Asha just wind up in your ship?

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* When you break Matt and later Gat [[spoiler: Gat]] out, you have to go into the Zin's ship to pick them up. So how does Shaundi, Pierce, King, and Asha just wind up in your ship?
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** Also, Kinzie's idea of hell is living in the '50s, when she (and other women) pretty much had no power or say-so, Kinzie specifically doesn't have any tech to tinker with, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking she has to wear the poodle skirt.]] Making Cyrus a walking epitome of sexism is just the cherry Zinyak put on her shitcake.

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** Also, Kinzie's idea of hell is living in the '50s, when she (and other women) pretty much had no power or say-so, Kinzie specifically doesn't have any tech to tinker with, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking she has to wear the poodle skirt.]] Making Cyrus a walking epitome of sexism is just the cherry Zinyak put on her shitcake.shitcake.

* When you break Matt and later Gat out, you have to go into the Zin's ship to pick them up. So how does Shaundi, Pierce, King, and Asha just wind up in your ship?
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** Also, Kinzie's idea of hell is living in the '50s, when she (and other women) pretty much had no power or say-so, Kinzie specifically didn't have any tech to tinker with, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking she has to wear the poodle skirt.]] Making Cyrus a walking epitome of sexism is just the cherry Zinyak put on her shitcake.

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** Also, Kinzie's idea of hell is living in the '50s, when she (and other women) pretty much had no power or say-so, Kinzie specifically didn't doesn't have any tech to tinker with, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking she has to wear the poodle skirt.]] Making Cyrus a walking epitome of sexism is just the cherry Zinyak put on her shitcake.
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** Because Zinyak programmed him like that to screw with Kinzie.

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** Because Zinyak programmed him like that to screw with Kinzie.Kinzie.
** Also, Kinzie's idea of hell is living in the '50s, when she (and other women) pretty much had no power or say-so, Kinzie specifically didn't have any tech to tinker with, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking she has to wear the poodle skirt.]] Making Cyrus a walking epitome of sexism is just the cherry Zinyak put on her shitcake.
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* Why is the simulated [[spoiler: Cyrus Temple]] such a blatant sexist, when he showed no sign of it in the third game?

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* Why is the simulated [[spoiler: Cyrus Temple]] such a blatant sexist, when he showed no sign of it in the third game?game?
** Because Zinyak programmed him like that to screw with Kinzie.
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** I think that was just in to make fun of how extensive it seemed to be in the third game.

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** I think that was just in to make fun of how extensive it seemed to be in the third game.game.

* Why is the simulated [[spoiler: Cyrus Temple]] such a blatant sexist, when he showed no sign of it in the third game?

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