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I discussed this on Reddit, but this still bugs the hell out of me.

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* How come Tony is in Ben King's nightmare and Warren is in Johnny Gat's nightmare? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Because Warren betrayed King, and Tony was already dead before the coup happened. And plus, Tony shot Gat in the leg and Warren never kidnapped Aisha.



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* In the mission where you [[spoiler: save Johnny Gat]] there's a disagreement onboard the ship where both Kinzie and Matt Miller think saving [[spoiler: Johnny Gat]] is a terrible idea, reasoning that by doing so, they'd have to tap into his mind and that would be signaling to Zinyak exactly where they were. My question: If entering the minds of your homies to free them from the simulation acted as a beacon for Zinyak, why are the pair suddenly so worried about going through with this? Keep in mind that by this time, you've already rescued five of your homies and each time that didn't send Zinyak to your ship.

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* In the mission where you [[spoiler: save Johnny Gat]] Gat, there's a disagreement onboard the ship where both Kinzie and Matt Miller think saving [[spoiler: Johnny Gat]] Gat is a terrible idea, reasoning that by doing so, they'd have to tap into his mind and that would be signaling to Zinyak exactly where they were. My question: If entering the minds of your homies to free them from the simulation acted as a beacon for Zinyak, why are the pair suddenly so worried about going through with this? Keep in mind that by this time, you've already rescued five of your homies and each time that didn't send Zinyak to your ship.



** Another possible explanation: in all of the Rescue missions thus far, you do it through a proxy, set up by CID, while still in the Simulation. However, in the case of [[spoiler: Johnny Gat's]] it appears that you have to leave you simulation then enter through the ship. it's possible that the location would have normally been masked due to the Boss's simulation but due to them having to go directly into [[spoiler: Gat's]] without the proxy, there would be no masking signal and therefore it would tip off Zinyak as to where they are.

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** Another possible explanation: in all of the Rescue missions thus far, you do it through a proxy, set up by CID, while still in the Simulation. However, in the case of [[spoiler: Johnny Gat's]] Gat's it appears that you have to leave you simulation then enter through the ship. it's possible that the location would have normally been masked due to the Boss's simulation but due to them having to go directly into [[spoiler: Gat's]] Gat's without the proxy, there would be no masking signal and therefore it would tip off Zinyak as to where they are.



* In the good ending of the game, Zinjai says that [[spoiler:Zinyak's promise to restore the Earth was only a half-truth, in that Earth has been completely disintegrated]]. Fair enough, but [[spoiler:afterwards he states that the Zin have perfected time travel]], which the Saints use for their own antics. The question is, if the majority of the game's plot is centered around [[spoiler:getting revenge on Zinyak for Earth]], couldn't the Saints have used the knowledge they gained from the rest of the game to [[spoiler:travel back in time, find their missing friends quicker, sabotage the Zin empire, and kill Zinyak before he could destroy the Earth]]?

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* In the good ending of the game, Zinjai says that [[spoiler:Zinyak's Zinyak's promise to restore the Earth was only a half-truth, in that Earth has been completely disintegrated]]. disintegrated. Fair enough, but [[spoiler:afterwards afterwards he states that the Zin have perfected time travel]], travel, which the Saints use for their own antics. The question is, if the majority of the game's plot is centered around [[spoiler:getting getting revenge on Zinyak for Earth]], Earth, couldn't the Saints have used the knowledge they gained from the rest of the game to [[spoiler:travel travel back in time, find their missing friends quicker, sabotage the Zin empire, and kill Zinyak before he could destroy the Earth]]?Earth?



** That, or Kinzie was worried about [[spoiler:time paradoxes]].
** I would like to point out that it would be perfectly in-character for the Saints to have this exchange after [[spoiler: they have their fun with time travel:]]
-->'''Pierce''': Hey, boss? [[spoiler: Why don't we just use time travel to go back and save the Earth?]]
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** That, or Kinzie was worried about [[spoiler:time paradoxes]].
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* Along the same lines, if the Saints have access to[[spoiler:Time Travel]] and are willing to use it to [[spoiler:Mess with History]] then why not also use it to [[spoiler:Save Aisha in [[VideoGame/SaintsRow2 SR2]] ]]?

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* Along the same lines, if the Saints have access to[[spoiler:Time Travel]] to Time Travel and are willing to use it to [[spoiler:Mess Mess with History]] History then why not also use it to [[spoiler:Save Save Aisha in [[VideoGame/SaintsRow2 SR2]] ]]? SR2]]?



* What's with the default stock faces for [[spoiler:rescuing Asha from her simulation]]? From a programming explanation, sure it's easier to make an alternative version of something when you know what you're working with. But what's their in-setting explanation? It looked like they were [[spoiler:giving you Stock-Face so 'evil-you' could use your normal look, thus preventing Asha getting you mixed up. But then they went and made evil-you just Stock-Face with a beard.]] What's up with that? All Matt says is 'some specific concerns she has for you'; I don't get how that's supposed to explain anything.

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* What's with the default stock faces for [[spoiler:rescuing rescuing Asha from her simulation]]? simulation? From a programming explanation, sure it's easier to make an alternative version of something when you know what you're working with. But what's their in-setting explanation? It looked like they were [[spoiler:giving giving you Stock-Face so 'evil-you' could use your normal look, thus preventing Asha getting you mixed up. But then they went and made evil-you just Stock-Face with a beard.]] What's up with that? All Matt says is 'some specific concerns she has for you'; I don't get how that's supposed to explain anything.



* If Zinyak is powerful enough in the simulation to troll you while singing Biz Markie, [[spoiler:abduct both Keith David and Kinzie]], and more, why can't he just step in at anytime while you're fucking around with the simulation? I mean, wouldn't be as easy as a snap, crackle, pop? Surely Zinyak isn't ''that'' overconfident...?
** I'm afraid he literally is ''that'' overconfident. Any genre-savvy antagonist would've snapped Boss's neck during their first encounter were they as strong as Zinyak and had all of his abilities. Kinzie pretty much summed up his character when she said, "Oh look, an alien with a superiority complex. Surprising." For goodness' sake, he's so overconfident that even [[spoiler: up to the last few seconds of his life]], he think he'll still win over the puny human that is the Boss.

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* If Zinyak is powerful enough in the simulation to troll you while singing Biz Markie, [[spoiler:abduct abduct both Keith David and Kinzie]], Kinzie, and more, why can't he just step in at anytime while you're fucking around with the simulation? I mean, wouldn't be as easy as a snap, crackle, pop? Surely Zinyak isn't ''that'' overconfident...?
** I'm afraid he literally is ''that'' overconfident. Any genre-savvy antagonist would've snapped Boss's neck during their first encounter were they as strong as Zinyak and had all of his abilities. Kinzie pretty much summed up his character when she said, "Oh look, an alien with a superiority complex. Surprising." For goodness' sake, he's so overconfident that even [[spoiler: up to the last few seconds of his life]], life, he think he'll still win over the puny human that is the Boss.



* Why is the simulated [[spoiler: Cyrus Temple]] such a blatant sexist, when he showed no sign of it in the third game?

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* Why is the simulated [[spoiler: Cyrus Temple]] Temple such a blatant sexist, when he showed no sign of it in the third game?



* When you break Matt and later [[spoiler: Gat]] out, you have to go into the Zin's ship to pick them up. So how does Shaundi, Pierce, King, and Asha just wind up in your ship?

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* When you break Matt and later [[spoiler: Gat]] Gat out, you have to go into the Zin's ship to pick them up. So how does Shaundi, Pierce, King, and Asha just wind up in your ship?



** Additionally, unlike Miller and [[spoiler: Gat]], your other homies are probably not in high-security areas, making it piss easy to go and grab them.

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** Additionally, unlike Miller and [[spoiler: Gat]], Gat, your other homies are probably not in high-security areas, making it piss easy to go and grab them.



* Why did they go with the model they used for [[spoiler: Warren Williams]] when they already had a much better choice in the game files? [[spoiler: The skinny bald black citizen in a suit.]]

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* Why did they go with the model they used for [[spoiler: Warren Williams]] Williams when they already had a much better choice in the game files? [[spoiler: The skinny bald black citizen in a suit.]]



* If they have [[spoiler: PowerArmor that grants super powers]], why didn't Zinyak send anyone out wearing that to fight the boss when he's on his ship?
** Seeing as how they have the technology to give it [[spoiler: all powers, including mind control, shrinking, and life steal]], why aren't they making use of these to pacify prisoners?

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* If they have [[spoiler: PowerArmor that grants super powers]], powers, why didn't Zinyak send anyone out wearing that to fight the boss when he's on his ship?
** Seeing as how they have the technology to give it [[spoiler: all powers, including mind control, shrinking, and life steal]], steal, why aren't they making use of these to pacify prisoners?



** Forget about why they don't use the [[spoiler: PowerArmor]] themselves, or why they even have these things - why does the [[spoiler: PowerArmor]] have 5-finger gauntlets when the Zin only have 3 fingers on each hand? It's like they are specifically built for human use!
** [[spoiler: Maybe Zinjai secretly created it for Boss, when seeing that they had a reasonable chance to take down Zinyak. See FridgeBrilliance.]]

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** Forget about why they don't use the [[spoiler: PowerArmor]] PowerArmor themselves, or why they even have these things - why does the [[spoiler: PowerArmor]] PowerArmor have 5-finger gauntlets when the Zin only have 3 fingers on each hand? It's like they are specifically built for human use!
** [[spoiler: Maybe Zinjai secretly created it for Boss, when seeing that they had a reasonable chance to take down Zinyak. See FridgeBrilliance.]]



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* At the end of ''Gat Out Of Hell'', [[spoiler: the rest of the Saints meet Jezebel]] and Shaundi informs the Boss, “Pierce is going to have a frickin' heart attack!” My question is, why would he? He's never been shown to be religious, and considering all the crazy things they'd seen during their time together, he probably would just shrug and ask [[spoiler: Jezebel]] if she wanted to listen to some music. Did I miss something, because why would Shaundi worry that Pierce would panic now after all the weird things he'd witnessed up to that point?

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* At the end of ''Gat Out Of Hell'', [[spoiler: the rest of the Saints meet Jezebel]] Jezebel and Shaundi informs the Boss, “Pierce is going to have a frickin' heart attack!” My question is, why would he? He's never been shown to be religious, and considering all the crazy things they'd seen during their time together, he probably would just shrug and ask [[spoiler: Jezebel]] Jezebel if she wanted to listen to some music. Did I miss something, because why would Shaundi worry that Pierce would panic now after all the weird things he'd witnessed up to that point?



* Considering that the game was basically a giant love letter to the rest of the game, filled to the brim with references to the previous three games, I can't help but wonder; was anyone else extremely disappointed that they didn't use the whole "computer simulator" setting as an excuse to bring back Lin and Carlos? [[spoiler: Given that their deaths are, on several occasions, implied to weigh heavily on the Boss' conscience, it would've been a great chance for a touching (albeit bittersweet, since they wouldn't be real) reunion.]] What makes even more disappointing is that Lin was originally going to be in the game as a potential Homie, but was cut from the final game for whatever reason.

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* Considering that the game was basically a giant love letter to the rest of the game, filled to the brim with references to the previous three games, I can't help but wonder; was anyone else extremely disappointed that they didn't use the whole "computer simulator" setting as an excuse to bring back Lin and Carlos? [[spoiler: Given that their deaths are, on several occasions, implied to weigh heavily on the Boss' conscience, it would've been a great chance for a touching (albeit bittersweet, since they wouldn't be real) reunion.]] reunion. What makes even more disappointing is that Lin was originally going to be in the game as a potential Homie, but was cut from the final game for whatever reason.
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* Along the same lines, if the Saints have access to[[spoiler:Time Travel]] and are willing to use it to [[spoiler:Mess with History]] then why not also use it to [[spoiler:Save Aisha in SR2]]?

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* Along the same lines, if the Saints have access to[[spoiler:Time Travel]] and are willing to use it to [[spoiler:Mess with History]] then why not also use it to [[spoiler:Save Aisha in SR2]]? [[VideoGame/SaintsRow2 SR2]] ]]?



** CID calls SR2 Shaudi "Fake Shaudi" if you pair them together in the simulation, and SR2 Shaudi seems both offended and confused by his meaning of "fake", so I assume they just pretend they're real out of respect/not wanting to open that can of worms of what is real or fake in the simulation anyway.

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** CID calls SR2 Fun Shaudi "Fake Shaudi" if you pair them together in the simulation, and SR2 Fun Shaudi seems both offended and confused by his meaning of "fake", so I assume they just pretend they're real out of respect/not wanting to open that can of worms of what is real or fake in the simulation anyway.
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** Most [[ExactWords dangerous]] person alive. Doesn't mean best or most skilled. He's the most dangerous the same way ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'' is the most ''dangerous'' spy, as spying skills go he's crap at it and relies on leaving a mountain of corpses instead. What does Gat tend to do when not actively part of a mission? Hunt down and kill all the cops, gangsters and Zin. His sidequests are specifically titled, "Kill, kill, destroy, kill, who needs subtext?" Nothing stopping Boss from doing this as well but s/he is portrayed as being more level headed, comparatively. Boss' master plan is to do whatever they want to do, whether it be mass murder or going to s strip club, and by the third game Boss is less violent which upsets Gat, and while both are caring s/he is actively more benevolent.

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** Most [[ExactWords dangerous]] person alive. Doesn't mean best or most skilled. He's the most dangerous the same way ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'' is the most ''dangerous'' spy, as spying skills go he's crap at it and relies on leaving a mountain of corpses instead. What does Gat tend to do when not actively part of a mission? Hunt down and kill all the cops, gangsters and Zin. His sidequests are specifically titled, "Kill, kill, destroy, kill, who needs subtext?" Nothing stopping Boss from doing this as well but s/he is portrayed as being more level headed, comparatively. Boss' master plan is to do whatever they want to do, whether it be mass murder or going to s strip club, and by the third game Boss is less violent which upsets Gat, and while both are caring s/he is actively more benevolent.
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** [[ILied Zinyak lied.]] He convinced Keith David that he would restore the Earth (and make Keith David "Super President For Life" of America) if Keith David killed the President. After the President beat some sense into him, he started to tell where they were keeping Kinzie, but Zinyak caught on and banished him to his nightmare: A simulation of ''Film/TheyLive''.
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** Most [[ExactWords dangerous]] person alive. Doesn't mean best or most skilled. He's the most dangerous the same way ''Series/{{Archer}}'' is the most ''dangerous'' spy, as spying skills go he's crap at it and relies on leaving a mountain of corpses instead. What does Gat tend to do when not actively part of a mission? Hunt down and kill all the cops, gangsters and Zin. His sidequests are specifically titled, "Kill, kill, destroy, kill, who needs subtext?" Nothing stopping Boss from doing this as well but s/he is portrayed as being more level headed, comparatively. Boss' master plan is to do whatever they want to do, whether it be mass murder or going to s strip club, and by the third game Boss is less violent which upsets Gat, and while both are caring s/he is actively more benevolent.

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** Most [[ExactWords dangerous]] person alive. Doesn't mean best or most skilled. He's the most dangerous the same way ''Series/{{Archer}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'' is the most ''dangerous'' spy, as spying skills go he's crap at it and relies on leaving a mountain of corpses instead. What does Gat tend to do when not actively part of a mission? Hunt down and kill all the cops, gangsters and Zin. His sidequests are specifically titled, "Kill, kill, destroy, kill, who needs subtext?" Nothing stopping Boss from doing this as well but s/he is portrayed as being more level headed, comparatively. Boss' master plan is to do whatever they want to do, whether it be mass murder or going to s strip club, and by the third game Boss is less violent which upsets Gat, and while both are caring s/he is actively more benevolent.
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** [[HandWave It's not.]] It's all just a [[RuleOfFunny joke]] on those evil twins with beards like evil!Spock from StarTrek. At this point the games rely on RuleOfFun and RuleOfFunny for gameplay so some things should just be seen as a part of the fun.

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** [[HandWave It's not.]] It's all just a [[RuleOfFunny joke]] on those evil twins with beards like evil!Spock from StarTrek.''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries''. At this point the games rely on RuleOfFun and RuleOfFunny for gameplay so some things should just be seen as a part of the fun.

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** I would like to point out that it would be perfectly in-character for the Saints to have this exchange after [[spoiler: they have their fun with time travel:]]
-->'''Pierce''': Hey, boss? [[spoiler: Why don't we just use time travel to go back and save the Earth?]]
-->'''Boss''': [[spoiler: Oh shit, yeah! We can totally do that!]]
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* Considering that the game was basically a giant love letter to the rest of the game, filled to the brim with references to the previous three games, I can't help but wonder; was anyone else extremely disappointed that they didn't use the whole "computer simulator" setting as an excuse to bring back Lin and Carlos? [[spoiler: Given that their deaths are, on several occasions, implied to weigh heavily on the Boss' conscience, it would've been a great chance for a touching (albeit bittersweet, since they wouldn't be real) reunion.]] What makes even more disappointing is that Lin was originally going to be in the game as a potential Homie, but was cut from the final game for whatever reason.
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** Most [[ExactWords dangerous]] person alive. Doesn't mean best or most skilled. He's the most dangerous the same way ''Series/{{Archer}}'' is the most ''dangerous'' spy, as spying skills go he's crap at it and relies on leaving a mountain of corpses instead. What does Gat tend to do when not actively part of a mission? Hunt down and kill all the cops, gangsters and Zin. His sidequests are specifically titled, "Kill, kill, destroy, kill, who needs subtext?" Nothing stopping Boss from doing this as well but s/he is portrayed as being more level headed, comparatively. Boss' master plan is to do whatever they want to do, whether it be mass murder or going to s strip club, and by the third game Boss is less violent which upsets Gat, and while both are caring s/he is actively more benevolent.
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** Johnny Gat has accepted her death, and has moved on. Bringing her back wouldn't bring back what they had together.
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* Why does Future Shaundi's dialogue and text adventure suggest that the Earth is perfectly fine? In ''Gat Out of Hell'' it's still destroyed, right? Otherwise why have the CosmicRetcon option? Did everyone just decide to "live" in Virtual Steelport or something? But then how did Shaundi lose her arm (and an eye) in real life?
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**Time Paradoxes are serious business.
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* At the end of ''Gat Out Of Hell'', [[spoiler: the rest of the Saints meet Jezebel]] and Shaundi informs the Boss, “Pierce is going to have a frickin' heart attack!” My question is, why would he? He's never been shown to be religious, and considering all the crazy things they'd seen during their time together, he probably would just shrug and ask [[spoiler: Jezebel]] if she wanted to listen to some music. Did I miss something, because why would Shaundi worry that Pierce would panic now after all the weird things he'd witnessed up to that point?
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** You've never met [[Franchise/{{Fate}} Gilgamesh]], have you?
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*** That still makes little sense, as Zinyak wanted to abduct the best and brightest from the planet. Oleg was both and didn't get abducted when he was at the White House.
**** In-setting wise maybe it's because Oleg is too big to fit in the standard matrix-style pods they have the people in? Though probably gameplay wise he wasn't included as they'd have to scale the out-of-simulation segments bigger in order to have him fit through doors and stuff without glitching or getting stuck and it wasn't worth the time or effort.

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*** ** That still makes little sense, as Zinyak wanted to abduct the best and brightest from the planet. Oleg was both and didn't get abducted when he was at the White House.
**** ** In-setting wise maybe it's because Oleg is too big to fit in the standard matrix-style pods they have the people in? Though probably gameplay wise he wasn't included as they'd have to scale the out-of-simulation segments bigger in order to have him fit through doors and stuff without glitching or getting stuck and it wasn't worth the time or effort.
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* Two part question:
** First, why do the Saints keep saying that they need to find Zinyak's mother ship when they're actually docked ''inside'' the mother ship?
** Second, who in their right mind would take refuge in the mother ship's interior? It's as if they're begging to be spotted.
*** For the first, I have no clue. For the second, they're hiding in plain sight in the last place Zinyak would find them. Think of it like Han attaching the MF to the back of the Imperial Star Destroyer in ''The Empire Strikes Back''. It wouldn't even occur to Zinyak that they would be anywhere but far, far away from him. Also, they likely have cloaking devices and other tools with which to hide their location from the radars.
*** They're not looking for Zinyak's ship, they're looking for him personally. Remember, from what we see of it, the Zin Mothership is a PlanetSpaceship, so finding Zinyak's throneroom, let alone breaching his security, is a pretty big undertaking.

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* Two part question:
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Why do the Saints keep saying that they need to find Zinyak's mother ship when they're actually docked ''inside'' the mother ship?
** Second, who They're not looking for Zinyak's ship, they're looking for him personally. Remember, from what we see of it, the Zin Mothership is a PlanetSpaceship, so finding Zinyak's throneroom, let alone breaching his security, is a pretty big undertaking.

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* Who
in their right mind would take refuge in the mother ship's interior? It's as if they're begging to be spotted.
*** For the first, I have no clue. For the second, they're ** They're hiding in plain sight in the last place Zinyak would find them. Think of it like Han attaching the MF to the back of the Imperial Star Destroyer in ''The Empire Strikes Back''. It wouldn't even occur to Zinyak that they would be anywhere but far, far away from him. Also, they likely have cloaking devices and other tools with which to hide their location from the radars.
*** They're not looking for Zinyak's ship, they're looking for him personally. Remember, from what we see of it, the Zin Mothership is a PlanetSpaceship, so finding Zinyak's throneroom, let alone breaching his security, is a pretty big undertaking.
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*** It's definitely King. Super Keith David is dressed like Lando Calrissian.

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*** ** It's definitely King. Super Keith David is dressed like Lando Calrissian.
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*** Building on that: What Zinyak fails to realize is that Gat is only deadlier than the Boss ''physically.'' When you put everything together, the Boss remains the Killer Alpha of the pack because he is the best coordinator there is. Zinyak's fatal mistake is that he underestimates the Boss' ability to rally the Saints in the face of adversity. Gat himself admits that he is content with the Boss being his Boss because the Boss is the only one who can hold the Saints together.

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*** ** Building on that: What Zinyak fails to realize is that Gat is only deadlier than the Boss ''physically.'' When you put everything together, the Boss remains the Killer Alpha of the pack because he is the best coordinator there is. Zinyak's fatal mistake is that he underestimates the Boss' ability to rally the Saints in the face of adversity. Gat himself admits that he is content with the Boss being his Boss because the Boss is the only one who can hold the Saints together.together.

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* If they have [[spoiler: PowerArmor that grants super powers]], why didn't Zinyak send anyone out wearing that to fight the boss when he's on his ship?
** Seeing as how they have the technology to give it [[spoiler: all powers, including mind control, shrinking, and life steal]], why aren't they making use of these to pacify prisoners?
** Zinyak underestimates the Boss at every turn of the story. He even thinks he is going to win all the way until the end. It either never occurred to him to try, or he was just being another overconfident Bond villain that is an idiot and doesn't just kill the threats. He does seem to have sadistic fun in "playing" with his victims. It proves to be his undoing as is usual in these kinds of situations.
** Forget about why they don't use the [[spoiler: PowerArmor]] themselves, or why they even have these things - why does the [[spoiler: PowerArmor]] have 5-finger gauntlets when the Zin only have 3 fingers on each hand? It's like they are specifically built for human use!
** [[spoiler: Maybe Zinjai secretly created it for Boss, when seeing that they had a reasonable chance to take down Zinyak. See FridgeBrilliance.]]
** Maybe because it wasn't a Zin invention but instead a trophy from some other conquered world whose people were more human-sized and human-shaped. The Zin just never got around to adapting it for their own use.
** Judging by the robotic arms in the changing room, the sounds made as the armor gets put on, and the fact that it's a perfect fit for any body type, a suit is tailor-made whenever anyone needs one. Presumably, a Zin soldier who stepped into the armory would get a three-fingered version.

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* The Boss gets their powers by collecting code clusters to modify their own abilities. Occasionally, a quest will have you fight an NPC granted similar super powers (either a Zin warden, or an in-universe NPC). Why not just program all enemies to be super powered?
** The simulation has finite resources and super powers seem to really mess with the code. Which is just fun to abuse.
** This happens visibly -- if you use your powers frequently, or have several powered friends and enemies, the graphics glitch constantly.

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** Think of it like this: a nuke is more dangerous than the person dropping the nuke, but the nuke has no issue with you. You want to stay on the good side of the guy with the nuke, but you fear the nuke, not the person wielding it. Gat is a nuke, and you're the one wielding him. He just follows orders, and will go where you want him to and kill who you want him to. Thus, they fear Gat, but they know he obeys you, and so know not to anger you. Zinyak made the assumption that The Boss wasn't strong enough without Gat to fight back, a very wrong assumption, but understood that Gat was The Boss' greatest weapon.

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** Think of it like this: a nuke is more dangerous than the person dropping the nuke, but the nuke has no issue with you. You want to stay on the good side of the guy with the nuke, but you fear the nuke, not the person wielding it. Gat is a nuke, and you're the one wielding him. He just follows orders, and will go where you want him to and kill who you want him to. Thus, they fear Gat, but they know he obeys you, and so know not to anger you. Zinyak made the assumption that The Boss wasn't strong enough without Gat to fight back, a very wrong assumption, but understood that Gat was The Boss' greatest weapon.weapon.
*** Building on that: What Zinyak fails to realize is that Gat is only deadlier than the Boss ''physically.'' When you put everything together, the Boss remains the Killer Alpha of the pack because he is the best coordinator there is. Zinyak's fatal mistake is that he underestimates the Boss' ability to rally the Saints in the face of adversity. Gat himself admits that he is content with the Boss being his Boss because the Boss is the only one who can hold the Saints together.
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*Along the same lines, if the Saints have access to[[spoiler:Time Travel]] and are willing to use it to [[spoiler:Mess with History]] then why not also use it to [[spoiler:Save Aisha in SR2]]?
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** Any time you are teamed up with Gat in the games, he is ''significantly'' more deadly than the Boss.

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** Any time you are teamed up with Gat in the games, he is ''significantly'' more deadly than the Boss.Boss.
** Think of it like this: a nuke is more dangerous than the person dropping the nuke, but the nuke has no issue with you. You want to stay on the good side of the guy with the nuke, but you fear the nuke, not the person wielding it. Gat is a nuke, and you're the one wielding him. He just follows orders, and will go where you want him to and kill who you want him to. Thus, they fear Gat, but they know he obeys you, and so know not to anger you. Zinyak made the assumption that The Boss wasn't strong enough without Gat to fight back, a very wrong assumption, but understood that Gat was The Boss' greatest weapon.
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** Alternatively, The Boss just fucked a robot. Chances are, in The Boss' eyes, an AI that's as intelligent as a human is as human as a normal human. Kinzie and Matt would likely agree, and nobody's going to challenge The Boss.
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* You'll notice that most minor characters use [[YouAllLookFamiliar|generic pedestrian models]]. They probably just picked out the first yellow-clad bald black man they had and called him Warren.

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* ** You'll notice that most minor characters use [[YouAllLookFamiliar|generic [[YouAllLookFamiliar generic pedestrian models]]. They probably just picked out the first yellow-clad bald black man they had and called him Warren.
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* You'll notice that most minor characters use [[YouAllLookFamiliar|generic pedestrian models]]. They probably just picked out the first yellow-clad bald black man they had and called him Warren.
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** Another possible explanation: in all of the Rescue missions thus far, you do it through a proxy, set up by CID, while still in the Simulation. However, in the case of [[spoiler: Johnny Gat's]] it appears that you have to leave you simulation then enter through the ship. it's possible that the location would have normally been masked due to the Boss's simulation but due to them having to go directly into [[spoiler: Gat's]] without the proxy, there would be no masking signal and therefore it would tip off Zinyak as to where they are.

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