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*** Which begs the question: why didn't the military do so in this scenario and restore order? Were they overrun too quickly? The effects of the blackout don't seem to be quite the same as an EMP--[=EMPs=] would not affect batteries, or non-integrated circuits, and stuff that's not actually powered up at the time has a decent chance of survival. A telegraph system or a tube-based shortwave radio would still work. So would pre-1970's vehicles. Even analog telephones would work provided you could find or build a switchboard. Something either blackout-based or conspiracy-based has kept the US military out of operation.
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**** it takes a certain population density to make gaslighting worthwhile, and possible reasons Chicago might not have gaslighting yet it because it was only recently resettled, and it is still fairly lawless (i.e., there are no cops to punish people who might steal the gas pipes and sell them for scrap.)


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*** Diesel would not have to be replaced; just modified with early 20th century fuel injection systems. One of the reasons the U.S. military relies on diesel-powered machines is that they could still work, after a few minor modifications, after an EMP from a nearby nuclear blast.
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** All we've really seen of Monroe's operation is a patrol and a large cantonment. He may control a large city someplace we haven't seen yet that does have steam-powered factories, etc. Being able to use electricity would mean Monroe could expand his manufacturing capacity.
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** People do regularly maintain the landscaping around buildings, and repair roads, and clean windows and paint buildings. If no one is doing these things, overgrowth can be expected...probably not the ''LifeAfterPeople'' levels we see in Chicago (except around the Chicago River, which relies upon a complex pumping and lock system to keep it flowing into Lake Michigan rather than the other way around) but certainly it would be noticeable. And the suburbs should be intact for at least 50 years or so (the weather in the Great Lakes region is very hard on buildings, and most modern residential construction is not that durable without constant maintenance). If nothing else, foundations and street layouts would still exist and be noticeable by anyone traveling through the area.

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** People do regularly maintain the landscaping around buildings, and repair roads, and clean windows and paint buildings. If no one is doing these things, overgrowth can be expected...probably not the ''LifeAfterPeople'' levels we see in Chicago (except around the Chicago River, which relies upon a complex pumping and lock canal system to keep it flowing into out of Lake Michigan rather than the other way around) but certainly it would be noticeable. And the suburbs should be intact for at least 50 years or so (the weather in the Great Lakes region is very hard on buildings, and most modern residential construction is not that durable without constant maintenance). If nothing else, foundations and street layouts would still exist and be noticeable by anyone traveling through the area.
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** People do regularly maintain the landscaping around buildings, and repair roads, and clean windows and paint buildings. If no one is doing these things, overgrowth can be expected...probably not the ''LifeAfterPeople'' levels we see in Chicago (except around the Chicago River, which relies upon a complex pumping and lock system to keep it flowing into Lake Michigan rather than the other way around) but certainly it would be noticeable. And the suburbs should be intact for at least 50-100 years. If nothing else, foundations would still exist and be noticeable by anyone traveling through the area.

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** People do regularly maintain the landscaping around buildings, and repair roads, and clean windows and paint buildings. If no one is doing these things, overgrowth can be expected...probably not the ''LifeAfterPeople'' levels we see in Chicago (except around the Chicago River, which relies upon a complex pumping and lock system to keep it flowing into Lake Michigan rather than the other way around) but certainly it would be noticeable. And the suburbs should be intact for at least 50-100 years. 50 years or so (the weather in the Great Lakes region is very hard on buildings, and most modern residential construction is not that durable without constant maintenance). If nothing else, foundations and street layouts would still exist and be noticeable by anyone traveling through the area.
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** People do regularly maintain the landscaping around buildings, and repair roads, and clean windows and paint buildings. If no one is doing these things, overgrowth can be expected...probably not the ''LifeAfterPeople'' levels we see in Chicago (except around the Chicago River, which relies upon a complex pumping and lock system to keep it flowing into Lake Michigan rather than the other way around) but certainly it would be noticeable. And the suburbs should be intact for at least 50-100 years. If nothing else, foundations would still exist and be noticeable by anyone traveling through the area.
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** Yes, but the U.S. government pre-electricity had all of the things that pre-electricity governments needed to function. Lots of horses and wagons on hand when the tanks and trucks stop running? Steam or sailing ships to replace the diesel- and nuclear-powered Navy? Coaling and watering stations for steam locomotives? Or for that matter carbon paper and manual typewriters, to ensure that the all-important paperwork gets filled out? More importantly, the people who know how to build and use all of these things effectively?

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** Yes, but the U.S. government pre-electricity had all of the things that pre-electricity governments needed to function. Lots of horses and wagons on hand when the tanks and trucks stop running? Steam or sailing ships to replace the diesel- and nuclear-powered Navy? Coaling and watering stations for steam locomotives? Or for that matter carbon paper and manual typewriters, to ensure that the all-important paperwork gets filled out? More importantly, the enough people who know how to build and use all of these things effectively?
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** Yes, but the U.S. government pre-electricity had all of the things that pre-electricity governments needed to function. Lots of horses and wagons on hand when the tanks and trucks stop running? Steam or sailing ships to replace the diesel- and nuclear-powered Navy? Coaling and watering stations for steam locomotives? More importantly, the people who know how to build and use all of these things effectively?

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** Yes, but the U.S. government pre-electricity had all of the things that pre-electricity governments needed to function. Lots of horses and wagons on hand when the tanks and trucks stop running? Steam or sailing ships to replace the diesel- and nuclear-powered Navy? Coaling and watering stations for steam locomotives? Or for that matter carbon paper and manual typewriters, to ensure that the all-important paperwork gets filled out? More importantly, the people who know how to build and use all of these things effectively?

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* So the nice lady flips on her anti-anti-tech dingus and her electricity turns on... powered how? After 15 years of no infrastructure there's no power plants running and no fuel to run generators. Solar panels would be conspicuous. Batteries would have run down long ago and would still have to be recharged. Also, her computer syncs up with another using what sounds like an analog modem. Connected how? A secret array of still-working telephone lines all equipped with shielded tech? A radio transmitter with a nice big obvious antenna?

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** Yes, but the U.S. government pre-electricity had all of the things that pre-electricity governments needed to function. Lots of horses and wagons on hand when the tanks and trucks stop running? Steam or sailing ships to replace the diesel- and nuclear-powered Navy? Coaling and watering stations for steam locomotives? More importantly, the people who know how to build and use all of these things effectively?
* So the nice lady flips on her anti-anti-tech dingus and her electricity turns on... powered how? After 15 years of no infrastructure there's no power plants running and no fuel to run generators. Solar panels would be conspicuous. Batteries would have run down long ago and would still have to be recharged. Also, her computer syncs up with another using what sounds like an analog modem. Connected how? A secret array of still-working telephone lines all equipped with shielded tech? A radio transmitter with a nice big obvious antenna?antenna?
** A windmill wouldn't be unexpected on her farm; this could be used to run a generator to charge batteries (or even power her computer directly). And an antenna could be installed in her attic and still work.
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* So the entire U.S. government has fallen? Didn't the U.S. exist for about a hundred years before there was electrical power?

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* So the entire U.S. government has fallen? Didn't the U.S. exist for about a hundred years before there was electrical power?power?
* So the nice lady flips on her anti-anti-tech dingus and her electricity turns on... powered how? After 15 years of no infrastructure there's no power plants running and no fuel to run generators. Solar panels would be conspicuous. Batteries would have run down long ago and would still have to be recharged. Also, her computer syncs up with another using what sounds like an analog modem. Connected how? A secret array of still-working telephone lines all equipped with shielded tech? A radio transmitter with a nice big obvious antenna?
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* Why are the soldiers so willing to disobey General Monroe's order to keep the Mathesons alive? Neville probably did not think that his soldier would fire with Ben in the way and is scared that Monroe will have him executed over the failure. However, later in the pilot Nate tells the militia group that Monroe wants Miles alive yet they rush him with their swords drawn and fire their guns at him. Were they simply too DumbToLive?

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* Why are the soldiers so willing to disobey General Monroe's order to keep the Mathesons alive? Neville probably did not think that his soldier would fire with Ben in the way and is scared that Monroe will have him executed over the failure. However, later in the pilot Nate tells the militia group that Monroe wants Miles alive yet they rush him with their swords drawn and fire their guns at him. Were they simply too DumbToLive?DumbToLive?
* So the entire U.S. government has fallen? Didn't the U.S. exist for about a hundred years before there was electrical power?
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**** This could also help explain why the young men who've grown up in in the post-event world seem to be quite muscular. There's no electricity about, but there's obviously plenty of good food.
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*** Candles are actually fairly easy to make, provided one has a source of beeswax or tallow. Why didn't someone in Chicago think of setting up a gasworks for heating and lighting, given that Chicago already has natural gas service lines in place? Granted, the initial chaos wouldn't have been the time to do it, but after 15 years ''some'' infrastructure should have come back, particularly since it appears Chicago is still a major trading hub.
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** Related: no windmills? They're a lot easier to build than steam engines and can be used for lots of things, like milling grain or pumping water. They'd be really handy, along with a dike system, to pump out Chicago (malaria has probably made a huge comeback in the flooded downtown area). The Dutch managed an even larger project (namely, their entire country) with even less technology than the survivors have available.
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** In Monroe's camp the soldiers seem to be armed with with modern submachine guns or assault rifles so it seems the good guns are reserved for the regular army units. The militia group in Chicago seemed to be more a garrison/police force and would probably not be given good weapons on purpose. However, Nevilles's group should be better equipped given the importance of his mission.
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* Does anyone really believe Chicago would be overrun by vines after only 15 years without electricity? It's not like there are people regularly de-vining the skyscrapers before the blackout. Heck, I know of buildings in rural areas that have been abandonned for more than 15 years that don't have that much plant life growing on them. And what happened to the miles and miles of dense suburbs around Chicago? Even if there's no one in them, there should still be houses there.

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* Does anyone really believe Chicago would be overrun by vines after only 15 years without electricity? It's not like there are people regularly de-vining the skyscrapers before the blackout. Heck, I know of buildings in rural areas that have been abandonned for more than 15 years that don't have that much plant life growing on them. And what happened to the miles and miles of dense suburbs around Chicago? Even if there's no one in them, there should still be houses there.there.
* Why are the soldiers so willing to disobey General Monroe's order to keep the Mathesons alive? Neville probably did not think that his soldier would fire with Ben in the way and is scared that Monroe will have him executed over the failure. However, later in the pilot Nate tells the militia group that Monroe wants Miles alive yet they rush him with their swords drawn and fire their guns at him. Were they simply too DumbToLive?
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** Alternatively, this is 15 years after the end, and likely one or two wars to establish dominance, so perhaps the old ammo is used up except for the higher rank stuff.
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* Why is not anyone seen using steam engines or diesel engines? ''Those'' kind of engines can run without electricity. Surely someone in that village (let alone Monroe's militia) would have experimented with steam power, at least.

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* Why is not anyone seen using steam engines or diesel engines? ''Those'' kind of engines can run without electricity. Surely someone in that village (let alone Monroe's militia) would have experimented with steam power, at least.least.
* Does anyone really believe Chicago would be overrun by vines after only 15 years without electricity? It's not like there are people regularly de-vining the skyscrapers before the blackout. Heck, I know of buildings in rural areas that have been abandonned for more than 15 years that don't have that much plant life growing on them. And what happened to the miles and miles of dense suburbs around Chicago? Even if there's no one in them, there should still be houses there.
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** Forget the torches - why did he have so many candles lit in the bar when the characters first arrive? It was broad daylight when they got there and the place was full of literally hundreds of lit candles (apparently a resource of which they had a surplus), but almost all the candles were out for the climactic fight scene and the place looked just as brightly lit.
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**** Not at all improbable, actually. It was a small village with a lot of farm land around it, and they also hunted. So long as the crops came in alright, they shouldn't have a problem getting the food they need and then some. His job is to teach, so it isn't physically taxing or anything that would slim him down.

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**** Not at all improbable, actually. It was a small village with a lot of farm land around it, and they also hunted. So long as the crops came in alright, they shouldn't have a problem getting the food they need and then some. His job is to teach, so it isn't physically taxing or anything that would slim him down.down.
* Why is not anyone seen using steam engines or diesel engines? ''Those'' kind of engines can run without electricity. Surely someone in that village (let alone Monroe's militia) would have experimented with steam power, at least.
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** It's probably more a matter of rank and ability. You'd only want the high-capacity weapons in the hands of people you know you can trust and who can use them very well, as demonstrated by Capt. Neville. He's cool-headed, methodical, and loyal. So while someone in the lower ranks may want to mutiny, the loyal officer with the Desert Eagle is going to be able to keep them in line. Additionally, machine guns aren't as accurate and waste bullets, and modern rifles may be used by militia snipers or their equivalents. No idea why they're using flintlock muskets, though, except that maybe it's because you can load anything from rocks to glass to small bits of metal into them as projectiles. Very handy if you find yourself cut off, out of ammunition, and in need of shooting something.
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**** You know how some fat people use the "I cant help it, its genetic" excuse....yeah, turns out not all of them are useing excuses. This in turn raises the question of how someone with those conditions could last in those conditions

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**** You know how some fat people use the "I cant help it, its genetic" excuse....yeah, turns out not all of them are useing excuses. This in turn raises the question of how someone with those conditions could last in those conditionsconditions
**** Not at all improbable, actually. It was a small village with a lot of farm land around it, and they also hunted. So long as the crops came in alright, they shouldn't have a problem getting the food they need and then some. His job is to teach, so it isn't physically taxing or anything that would slim him down.
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*** The more interesting question is how the owner of that AC/DC t-shirt can look so well-fed considering he's basically a subsistence farmer.

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*** The more interesting question is how the owner of that AC/DC t-shirt can look so well-fed considering he's basically a subsistence farmer.farmer.
****You know how some fat people use the "I cant help it, its genetic" excuse....yeah, turns out not all of them are useing excuses. This in turn raises the question of how someone with those conditions could last in those conditions
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** I thought the same thing, but i think that it may be somewhat feasible. Maybe they found it in a scavenge operation sealed up in a box a few years after the lights went out. if he kept good care of it, it doesn't seem too unlikely. i have shirts that are fifteen years old.

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** I thought the same thing, but i think that it may be somewhat feasible. Maybe they found it in a scavenge operation sealed up in a box a few years after the lights went out. if he kept good care of it, it doesn't seem too unlikely. i have shirts that are fifteen years old.old.
*** The more interesting question is how the owner of that AC/DC t-shirt can look so well-fed considering he's basically a subsistence farmer.
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* The one question I think everyone who watched the pilot is asking: what is with all those nice looking clothes? Can an AC/DC t-shirt survive 15 years in that good a condition?

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* The one question I think everyone who watched the pilot is asking: what is with all those nice looking clothes? Can an AC/DC t-shirt survive 15 years in that good a condition?condition?
** I thought the same thing, but i think that it may be somewhat feasible. Maybe they found it in a scavenge operation sealed up in a box a few years after the lights went out. if he kept good care of it, it doesn't seem too unlikely. i have shirts that are fifteen years old.
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** There are quite a few modern gun designs that can be made in a basic metalwork shop. Basic breach-loading rifles should not be that hard to make and Sten submachine guns were designed to be made under these types of conditions. That of course ignores the fact that there should be plenty of regular guns lying around that can easily be converted to use gunpowder as propellant.

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** There are quite a few modern gun designs that can be made in a basic metalwork shop. Basic breach-loading rifles should not be that hard to make and Sten submachine guns were designed to be made under these types of conditions. That of course ignores the fact that there should be plenty of regular guns lying around that can easily be converted to use gunpowder as propellant.propellant.
* The one question I think everyone who watched the pilot is asking: what is with all those nice looking clothes? Can an AC/DC t-shirt survive 15 years in that good a condition?
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** ...for lighting?
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* What is with the Muskets? I would've bought that Firearms aren't a big deal anymore because the ensuing chaos of the world would've spent the vast majority of the ammo, but i can't imagine a scenario where using Muskets would be viable. Here's the thing: they still have guns (We saw them a few times), they just don't have very much ammo. So, uh, make ammo. it isn't hard. All you need is a casing, a head, and gunpowder. Casings would be extraordinarily easy to find, heads are easy to make. Gunpowder would be difficult, but they obviously have it, because they use muskets. Instead of wasting your gunpowder using an unreliable, inaccurate archaic weapon, why not just make a few shells for a normal rifle? If one of those riflemen would've had a modern hunting rifle but only two or three shots, that would make sense. And this is ignoring where these muskets even came from in the first place. they looked like professionally made muskets, not some kind of hand-made firearm. Nobody makes those anymore! you can find modern black-powder rifles but they don't look anything like that! and they don't have the same reloading process as old muskets, either.

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* What is with the Muskets? I would've bought that Firearms aren't a big deal anymore because the ensuing chaos of the world would've spent the vast majority of the ammo, but i can't imagine a scenario where using Muskets would be viable. Here's the thing: they still have guns (We saw them a few times), they just don't have very much ammo. So, uh, make ammo. it isn't hard. All you need is a casing, a head, and gunpowder. Casings would be extraordinarily easy to find, heads are easy to make. Gunpowder would be difficult, but they obviously have it, because they use muskets. Instead of wasting your gunpowder using an unreliable, inaccurate archaic weapon, why not just make a few shells for a normal rifle? If one of those riflemen would've had a modern hunting rifle but only two or three shots, that would make sense. And this is ignoring where these muskets even came from in the first place. they looked like professionally made muskets, not some kind of hand-made firearm. Nobody makes those anymore! you can find modern black-powder rifles but they don't look anything like that! and they don't have the same reloading process as old muskets, either.either.
** There are quite a few modern gun designs that can be made in a basic metalwork shop. Basic breach-loading rifles should not be that hard to make and Sten submachine guns were designed to be made under these types of conditions. That of course ignores the fact that there should be plenty of regular guns lying around that can easily be converted to use gunpowder as propellant.
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* Why does Miles have so ''many'' torches lit in his room behind the bar?

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* Why does Miles have so ''many'' torches lit in his room behind the bar?bar?
* What is with the Muskets? I would've bought that Firearms aren't a big deal anymore because the ensuing chaos of the world would've spent the vast majority of the ammo, but i can't imagine a scenario where using Muskets would be viable. Here's the thing: they still have guns (We saw them a few times), they just don't have very much ammo. So, uh, make ammo. it isn't hard. All you need is a casing, a head, and gunpowder. Casings would be extraordinarily easy to find, heads are easy to make. Gunpowder would be difficult, but they obviously have it, because they use muskets. Instead of wasting your gunpowder using an unreliable, inaccurate archaic weapon, why not just make a few shells for a normal rifle? If one of those riflemen would've had a modern hunting rifle but only two or three shots, that would make sense. And this is ignoring where these muskets even came from in the first place. they looked like professionally made muskets, not some kind of hand-made firearm. Nobody makes those anymore! you can find modern black-powder rifles but they don't look anything like that! and they don't have the same reloading process as old muskets, either.
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* Why does Miles have so ''many'' torches lit in his room behind the bar?

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