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** [[spoiler: That could be defended as the idea of the hive mind using Mia's memories and physically putting them onto the tape to remind her amnesiac self. Other than that, no clue.]]
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** [[spoiler: That could be defended as the idea of the hive mind using Mia's memories and physically putting them onto the tape to remind her amnesiac self. Other than that, no clue.]]]]
* How exactly does a tape manage to survive an entire room bursting into flames around it as its soaked in kerosene?
* How exactly does a tape manage to survive an entire room bursting into flames around it as its soaked in kerosene?
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** [[spoiler:It's been suggested that the gun was itself formerly owned by Albert Wesker and Chris kept it as a trophy.]]
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** [[spoiler:It's been suggested that the gun was itself formerly owned by Albert Wesker and Chris kept it as a trophy.]]
!!! '''In Regards To The Tapes'''
* So, with the understanding that this is a video game where real life logic isn't necessarily needed, I still must ask how on earth the tapes are supposed to work or be logically defended. The first one where the TV crew had cameras with them makes sense, and the Mia tape exploring Marguerite's part of the house makes sense for the same reason, but the part where [[spoiler:Mia is on the ship does not]. Care to explain?
** [[spoiler: That could be defended as the idea of the hive mind using Mia's memories and physically putting them onto the tape to remind her amnesiac self. Other than that, no clue.]]
!!! '''In Regards To The Tapes'''
* So, with the understanding that this is a video game where real life logic isn't necessarily needed, I still must ask how on earth the tapes are supposed to work or be logically defended. The first one where the TV crew had cameras with them makes sense, and the Mia tape exploring Marguerite's part of the house makes sense for the same reason, but the part where [[spoiler:Mia is on the ship does not]. Care to explain?
** [[spoiler: That could be defended as the idea of the hive mind using Mia's memories and physically putting them onto the tape to remind her amnesiac self. Other than that, no clue.]]
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** That's the Umbrella Corps logo; they're an organization made to clean up Umbrella's mess, in a word.
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** [[spoiler: When you insert the tape, his name will pop up in the loading screen along side the "Happy Birthday!" title and the "Can trespassing idiots solve puzzles?" description.]]
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* Seems kinda an odd choice given [[spoiler:Albert]] is the the first name of his [[spoiler:former arch-nemesis.]] And that they [[spoiler:didn't really have that whole "worthy opponent" thing going on so much as hating each other entirely.]]
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** [[spoiler:It's been suggested that the gun was itself formerly owned by Albert Wesker and Chris kept it as a trophy.]]
** [[spoiler:It's been suggested that the gun was itself formerly owned by Albert Wesker and Chris kept it as a trophy.]]
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* Seems kinda an odd choice given [[spoiler:Albert]] is the the first name of his [[spoiler:former arch-nemesis.]] And that [[spoiler:didn't really have that whole "worthy opponent" thing going on so much as hating each other entirely.]]
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* Seems kinda an odd choice given [[spoiler:Albert]] is the the first name of his [[spoiler:former arch-nemesis.]] And that they [[spoiler:didn't really have that whole "worthy opponent" thing going on so much as hating each other entirely.]]
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** [[spoiler: Fungal brain infections aren't uncommon, and most often crop up in conjunction with sufferers of meningitis. Since every other bioweapon in the series stems specifically from viruses or parasites, a fungal infection wouldn't be an automatic bright red flag for even the most conscientious and knowledgeable in-universe doctor. At the same time, even if the best ending of "Beginning Hour" is canon, the Bakers' mansion wouldn't be part of the search because they checked it and it was empty. This is especially true given the size and composition of the area; look at the drive Ethan has to take to get there in the beginning of the game. It'd be a lot more likely that the people in question were lost in the swamp.]]
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** [[spoiler: Fungal brain infections aren't uncommon, and most often crop up in conjunction with sufferers of meningitis. Since every other bioweapon in the series stems specifically from viruses or parasites, a fungal infection wouldn't be an automatic bright red flag for even the most conscientious and knowledgeable in-universe doctor. At the same time, even if the best ending of "Beginning Hour" is canon, the Bakers' mansion wouldn't be part of the search because they checked it and it was empty. This is especially true given the size and composition of the area; look at the drive Ethan has to take to get there in the beginning of the game. It'd be a lot more likely that the people in question were lost in the swamp.]]
!!! '''Why did [[spoiler: Chris]] name [[spoiler:his ultimate BOW-killing weapon Albert?]]'''
* Seems kinda an odd choice given [[spoiler:Albert]] is the the first name of his [[spoiler:former arch-nemesis.]] And that [[spoiler:didn't really have that whole "worthy opponent" thing going on so much as hating each other entirely.]]
!!! '''Why did [[spoiler: Chris]] name [[spoiler:his ultimate BOW-killing weapon Albert?]]'''
* Seems kinda an odd choice given [[spoiler:Albert]] is the the first name of his [[spoiler:former arch-nemesis.]] And that [[spoiler:didn't really have that whole "worthy opponent" thing going on so much as hating each other entirely.]]
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** The "Email Log" note in question [[spoiler:never clarifies which of the two Baker children was informing for the company. It could easily have been Zoe, especially since she inexplicably had access to one of their codex watches.]]
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** [[spoiler: Fungal brain infections aren't uncommon, and most often crop up in conjunction with sufferers of meningitis. Since every other bioweapon in the series stems specifically from viruses or parasites, a fungal infection wouldn't be an automatic bright red flag for even the most conscientious and knowledgeable in-universe doctor. At the same time, even if the best ending of "Beginning Hour" is canon, the Bakers' mansion wouldn't be part of the search because they checked it and it was empty. This is especially true given the size and composition of the area; look at the drive Ethan has to take to get there in the beginning of the game. It'd be a lot more likely that the people in question were lost in the swamp.]]
!!! '''The informant in the Baker household'''
* Since it isn't being discussed, I thought I'd bring it up myself just to make sure I didn't misunderstand. [[spoiler:Right before the very end of the game, Ethan discovers that a temporary research facility has been set up in the mine just outside the Baker house after the tanker crash. The "Email Log" note reveals that rather than rescuing Mia, the same company that was transferring Eveline decided to use the incident to acquire test data for the past three years. The note in question is told from the perspective of what seems to be one of the Baker children, who the company had cured from Eveline's control without her noticing so that they could have someone monitoring the situation in the Baker family from within. This same note reveals that they were the one cleaning up after all of the abductions and who locked Mia up in her cell for being violent. So... Doesn't this seem to indicate Lucas, or more likely, Zoe, was secretly working with the company the entire time? Zoe even says that she'd never seen anyone "make it this far", had access the to codex watch that worked with the cases from the mine facility, and inexplicably had access to a D-series head specimen. I may be misunderstanding this completely, but then who else could have written the "Email Log" note?]]
!!! '''The informant in the Baker household'''
* Since it isn't being discussed, I thought I'd bring it up myself just to make sure I didn't misunderstand. [[spoiler:Right before the very end of the game, Ethan discovers that a temporary research facility has been set up in the mine just outside the Baker house after the tanker crash. The "Email Log" note reveals that rather than rescuing Mia, the same company that was transferring Eveline decided to use the incident to acquire test data for the past three years. The note in question is told from the perspective of what seems to be one of the Baker children, who the company had cured from Eveline's control without her noticing so that they could have someone monitoring the situation in the Baker family from within. This same note reveals that they were the one cleaning up after all of the abductions and who locked Mia up in her cell for being violent. So... Doesn't this seem to indicate Lucas, or more likely, Zoe, was secretly working with the company the entire time? Zoe even says that she'd never seen anyone "make it this far", had access the to codex watch that worked with the cases from the mine facility, and inexplicably had access to a D-series head specimen. I may be misunderstanding this completely, but then who else could have written the "Email Log" note?]]
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** [[spoiler: Fungal brain infections aren't uncommon, and most often crop up in conjunction with sufferers of meningitis. Since every other bioweapon in the series stems specifically from viruses or parasites, a fungal infection wouldn't be an automatic bright red flag for even the most conscientious and knowledgeable in-universe doctor. At the same time, even if the best ending of "Beginning Hour" is canon, the Bakers' mansion wouldn't be part of the search because they checked it and it was empty. This is especially true given the size and composition of the area; look at the drive Ethan has to take to get there in the beginning of the game. It'd be a lot more likely that the people in question were lost in the swamp.]]
!!! '''The informant in the Baker household'''
* Since it isn't being discussed, I thought I'd bring it up myself just to make sure I didn't misunderstand. [[spoiler:Right before the very end of the game, Ethan discovers that a temporary research facility has been set up in the mine just outside the Baker house after the tanker crash. The "Email Log" note reveals that rather than rescuing Mia, the same company that was transferring Eveline decided to use the incident to acquire test data for the past three years. The note in question is told from the perspective of what seems to be one of the Baker children, who the company had cured from Eveline's control without her noticing so that they could have someone monitoring the situation in the Baker family from within. This same note reveals that they were the one cleaning up after all of the abductions and who locked Mia up in her cell for being violent. So... Doesn't this seem to indicate Lucas, or more likely, Zoe, was secretly working with the company the entire time? Zoe even says that she'd never seen anyone "make it this far", had access the to codex watch that worked with the cases from the mine facility, and inexplicably had access to a D-series head specimen. I may be misunderstanding this completely, but then who else could have written the "Email Log" note?]]]]
!!! '''The informant in the Baker household'''
* Since it isn't being discussed, I thought I'd bring it up myself just to make sure I didn't misunderstand. [[spoiler:Right before the very end of the game, Ethan discovers that a temporary research facility has been set up in the mine just outside the Baker house after the tanker crash. The "Email Log" note reveals that rather than rescuing Mia, the same company that was transferring Eveline decided to use the incident to acquire test data for the past three years. The note in question is told from the perspective of what seems to be one of the Baker children, who the company had cured from Eveline's control without her noticing so that they could have someone monitoring the situation in the Baker family from within. This same note reveals that they were the one cleaning up after all of the abductions and who locked Mia up in her cell for being violent. So... Doesn't this seem to indicate Lucas, or more likely, Zoe, was secretly working with the company the entire time? Zoe even says that she'd never seen anyone "make it this far", had access the to codex watch that worked with the cases from the mine facility, and inexplicably had access to a D-series head specimen. I may be misunderstanding this completely, but then who else could have written the "Email Log" note?]]
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** [[spoiler: Fungal brain infections aren't uncommon, and most often crop up in conjunction with sufferers of meningitis. Since every other bioweapon in the series stems specifically from viruses or parasites, a fungal infection wouldn't be an automatic bright red flag for even the most conscientious and knowledgeable in-universe doctor. At the same time, even if the best ending of "Beginning Hour" is canon, the Bakers' mansion wouldn't be part of the search because they checked it and it was empty. This is especially true given the size and composition of the area; look at the drive Ethan has to take to get there in the beginning of the game. It'd be a lot more likely that the people in question were lost in the swamp.]]
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** [[spoiler: Fungal brain infections aren't uncommon, and most often crop up in conjunction with sufferers of meningitis. Since every other bioweapon in the series stems specifically from viruses or parasites, a fungal infection wouldn't be an automatic bright red flag for even the most conscientious and knowledgeable in-universe doctor. At the same time, even if the best ending of "Beginning Hour" is canon, the Bakers' mansion wouldn't be part of the search because they checked it and it was empty. This is especially true given the size and composition of the area; look at the drive Ethan has to take to get there in the beginning of the game. It'd be a lot more likely that the people in question were lost in the swamp.]]]]
!!! '''The informant in the Baker household'''
* Since it isn't being discussed, I thought I'd bring it up myself just to make sure I didn't misunderstand. [[spoiler:Right before the very end of the game, Ethan discovers that a temporary research facility has been set up in the mine just outside the Baker house after the tanker crash. The "Email Log" note reveals that rather than rescuing Mia, the same company that was transferring Eveline decided to use the incident to acquire test data for the past three years. The note in question is told from the perspective of what seems to be one of the Baker children, who the company had cured from Eveline's control without her noticing so that they could have someone monitoring the situation in the Baker family from within. This same note reveals that they were the one cleaning up after all of the abductions and who locked Mia up in her cell for being violent. So... Doesn't this seem to indicate Lucas, or more likely, Zoe, was secretly working with the company the entire time? Zoe even says that she'd never seen anyone "make it this far", had access the to codex watch that worked with the cases from the mine facility, and inexplicably had access to a D-series head specimen. I may be misunderstanding this completely, but then who else could have written the "Email Log" note?]]
!!! '''The informant in the Baker household'''
* Since it isn't being discussed, I thought I'd bring it up myself just to make sure I didn't misunderstand. [[spoiler:Right before the very end of the game, Ethan discovers that a temporary research facility has been set up in the mine just outside the Baker house after the tanker crash. The "Email Log" note reveals that rather than rescuing Mia, the same company that was transferring Eveline decided to use the incident to acquire test data for the past three years. The note in question is told from the perspective of what seems to be one of the Baker children, who the company had cured from Eveline's control without her noticing so that they could have someone monitoring the situation in the Baker family from within. This same note reveals that they were the one cleaning up after all of the abductions and who locked Mia up in her cell for being violent. So... Doesn't this seem to indicate Lucas, or more likely, Zoe, was secretly working with the company the entire time? Zoe even says that she'd never seen anyone "make it this far", had access the to codex watch that worked with the cases from the mine facility, and inexplicably had access to a D-series head specimen. I may be misunderstanding this completely, but then who else could have written the "Email Log" note?]]
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* [[spoiler: First a ship goes down in the bayou, far enough from just about anything that no one know it happened and the company want it to stay that way. So they don't send a salvage team. Believable. The Bakers find Evelyne and Mia. They don't tell anyone in town, don't get a medic or something. Weird. At some point however Marguerite is diagnosed with some fungus growing on her brain. Apparently they just drop from existence some time later. No medic put two and two together, in a world where it's a known fact engineered horrors are running around. Over the next three years, twenty persons disappear near the Baker house. At this point, it would be perfectly reasonable to call a really thorough investigation of that place. What kind of sweep the police did in the houses before and after the events of beginning hour is best left to imagination since they found litteraly nothing. ]]How exactly did the mystery of the Dulvey haunted house stayed a mystery for 3 years?
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* [[spoiler: First a ship goes down in the bayou, far enough from just about anything that no one know it happened and the company want it to stay that way. So they don't send a salvage team. Believable. The Bakers find Evelyne and Mia. They don't tell anyone in town, don't get a medic or something. Weird. At some point however Marguerite is diagnosed with some fungus growing on her brain. Apparently they just drop from existence some time later. No medic put two and two together, in a world where it's a known fact engineered horrors are running around. Over the next three years, twenty persons disappear near the Baker house. At this point, it would be perfectly reasonable to call a really thorough investigation of that place. What kind of sweep the police did in the houses before and after the events of beginning hour is best left to imagination since they found litteraly nothing. ]]How exactly did the mystery of the Dulvey haunted house stayed a mystery for 3 years?years?
** [[spoiler: Fungal brain infections aren't uncommon, and most often crop up in conjunction with sufferers of meningitis. Since every other bioweapon in the series stems specifically from viruses or parasites, a fungal infection wouldn't be an automatic bright red flag for even the most conscientious and knowledgeable in-universe doctor. At the same time, even if the best ending of "Beginning Hour" is canon, the Bakers' mansion wouldn't be part of the search because they checked it and it was empty. This is especially true given the size and composition of the area; look at the drive Ethan has to take to get there in the beginning of the game. It'd be a lot more likely that the people in question were lost in the swamp.]]
** [[spoiler: Fungal brain infections aren't uncommon, and most often crop up in conjunction with sufferers of meningitis. Since every other bioweapon in the series stems specifically from viruses or parasites, a fungal infection wouldn't be an automatic bright red flag for even the most conscientious and knowledgeable in-universe doctor. At the same time, even if the best ending of "Beginning Hour" is canon, the Bakers' mansion wouldn't be part of the search because they checked it and it was empty. This is especially true given the size and composition of the area; look at the drive Ethan has to take to get there in the beginning of the game. It'd be a lot more likely that the people in question were lost in the swamp.]]
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* First a ship goes down in the bayou, far enough from just about anything that no one know it happened and the company want it to stay that way. So they don't send a salvage team. Believable. The Bakers find Evelyne and Mia. They don't tell anyone in town, don't get a medic or something. Weird. At some point however Marguerite is diagnosed with some fungus growing on her brain. Apparently they just drop from existence some time later. No medic put two and two together, in a world where it's a known fact engineered horrors are running around. Over the next three years, twenty persons disappear near the Baker house. At this point, it would be perfectly reasonable to call a really thorough investigation of that place. What kind of sweep the police did in the houses before and after the events of beginning hour is best left to imagination since they found litteraly nothing. How exactly did the mystery of the Dulvey haunted house stayed a mystery for 3 years?
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* [[spoiler: First a ship goes down in the bayou, far enough from just about anything that no one know it happened and the company want it to stay that way. So they don't send a salvage team. Believable. The Bakers find Evelyne and Mia. They don't tell anyone in town, don't get a medic or something. Weird. At some point however Marguerite is diagnosed with some fungus growing on her brain. Apparently they just drop from existence some time later. No medic put two and two together, in a world where it's a known fact engineered horrors are running around. Over the next three years, twenty persons disappear near the Baker house. At this point, it would be perfectly reasonable to call a really thorough investigation of that place. What kind of sweep the police did in the houses before and after the events of beginning hour is best left to imagination since they found litteraly nothing. How ]]How exactly did the mystery of the Dulvey haunted house stayed a mystery for 3 years?
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* A friend and I have been stumped on this for a little bit. In "Beginning Hour", the house is a mess - there's a bisected cow with a pair of bolt cutters stuck in it, there's creepy sculptures hanging on the ceiling of one of the rooms, there's a lot of mold near the Basement... But in the opening of Resident Evil 4, going back through this house, there's none of that. Sure, it's still a bit unkempt and gross, but there's no mold, there's no bisected cows, even the mannequins are gone. As stated in the Headscratcher above this one, the main player character in Beginning Hour is not Clancy (Except during the VHS segment where you play as him.) In the True Ending, [[spoiler: The unnamed protagonist escapes and tells the police, but they search the place and find no evidence of murder, and no video. They also find the protagonist has LSD on their person, which led to his story being discarded.]] So with that in mind, obviously the Bakers cleaned up the place between Beginning Hour and the main game, right? The only thing that doesn't match up is [[spoiler: The fact that the VHS is easily accessible from the attic in the main game, even though the demo's True Ending says that the police couldn't find it.]] I'm not sure what the deal is there, so it's hard to tell where Beginning Hour takes place in the game's timeline. I mean, "Beginning Hour" suggests it takes place before the game proper, but... you never know.
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* A friend and I have been stumped on this for a little bit. In "Beginning Hour", the house is a mess - there's a bisected cow with a pair of bolt cutters stuck in it, there's creepy sculptures hanging on the ceiling of one of the rooms, there's a lot of mold near the Basement... But in the opening of Resident Evil 4, going back through this house, there's none of that. Sure, it's still a bit unkempt and gross, but there's no mold, there's no bisected cows, even the mannequins are gone. As stated in the Headscratcher above this one, the main player character in Beginning Hour is not Clancy (Except during the VHS segment where you play as him.) In the True Ending, [[spoiler: The unnamed protagonist escapes and tells the police, but they search the place and find no evidence of murder, and no video. They also find the protagonist has LSD on their person, which led to his story being discarded.]] So with that in mind, obviously the Bakers cleaned up the place between Beginning Hour and the main game, right? The only thing that doesn't match up is [[spoiler: The fact that the VHS is easily accessible from the attic in the main game, even though the demo's True Ending says that the police couldn't find it.]] I'm not sure what the deal is there, so it's hard to tell where Beginning Hour takes place in the game's timeline. I mean, "Beginning Hour" suggests it takes place before the game proper, but... you never know.know.
!!! '''Twenty missing is a statistic'''
* First a ship goes down in the bayou, far enough from just about anything that no one know it happened and the company want it to stay that way. So they don't send a salvage team. Believable. The Bakers find Evelyne and Mia. They don't tell anyone in town, don't get a medic or something. Weird. At some point however Marguerite is diagnosed with some fungus growing on her brain. Apparently they just drop from existence some time later. No medic put two and two together, in a world where it's a known fact engineered horrors are running around. Over the next three years, twenty persons disappear near the Baker house. At this point, it would be perfectly reasonable to call a really thorough investigation of that place. What kind of sweep the police did in the houses before and after the events of beginning hour is best left to imagination since they found litteraly nothing. How exactly did the mystery of the Dulvey haunted house stayed a mystery for 3 years?
!!! '''Twenty missing is a statistic'''
* First a ship goes down in the bayou, far enough from just about anything that no one know it happened and the company want it to stay that way. So they don't send a salvage team. Believable. The Bakers find Evelyne and Mia. They don't tell anyone in town, don't get a medic or something. Weird. At some point however Marguerite is diagnosed with some fungus growing on her brain. Apparently they just drop from existence some time later. No medic put two and two together, in a world where it's a known fact engineered horrors are running around. Over the next three years, twenty persons disappear near the Baker house. At this point, it would be perfectly reasonable to call a really thorough investigation of that place. What kind of sweep the police did in the houses before and after the events of beginning hour is best left to imagination since they found litteraly nothing. How exactly did the mystery of the Dulvey haunted house stayed a mystery for 3 years?
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* A friend and I have been stumped on this for a little bit. In "Beginning Hour", the house is a mess - there's a bisected cow with a pair of bolt cutters stuck in it, there's creepy sculptures hanging on the ceiling of one of the rooms, there's a lot of mold near the Basement... But in the opening of Resident Evil 4, going back through this house, there's none of that. Sure, it's still a bit unkempt and gross, but there's no mold, there's no bisected cows, even the mannequins are gone.
As stated in the Headscratcher above this one, the main player character in Beginning Hour is not Clancy (Except during the VHS segment where you play as him.) In the True Ending, [[spoiler: The unnamed protagonist escapes and tells the police, but they search the place and find no evidence of murder, and no video. They also find the protagonist has LSD on their person, which led to his story being discarded.]] So with that in mind, obviously the Bakers cleaned up the place between Beginning Hour and the main game, right? The only thing that doesn't match up is [[spoiler: The fact that the VHS is easily accessible from the attic in the main game, even though the demo's True Ending says that the police couldn't find it.]] I'm not sure what the deal is there, so it's hard to tell where Beginning Hour takes place in the game's timeline. I mean, "Beginning Hour" suggests it takes place before the game proper, but... you never know.
As stated in the Headscratcher above this one, the main player character in Beginning Hour is not Clancy (Except during the VHS segment where you play as him.) In the True Ending, [[spoiler: The unnamed protagonist escapes and tells the police, but they search the place and find no evidence of murder, and no video. They also find the protagonist has LSD on their person, which led to his story being discarded.]] So with that in mind, obviously the Bakers cleaned up the place between Beginning Hour and the main game, right? The only thing that doesn't match up is [[spoiler: The fact that the VHS is easily accessible from the attic in the main game, even though the demo's True Ending says that the police couldn't find it.]] I'm not sure what the deal is there, so it's hard to tell where Beginning Hour takes place in the game's timeline. I mean, "Beginning Hour" suggests it takes place before the game proper, but... you never know.
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* A friend and I have been stumped on this for a little bit. In "Beginning Hour", the house is a mess - there's a bisected cow with a pair of bolt cutters stuck in it, there's creepy sculptures hanging on the ceiling of one of the rooms, there's a lot of mold near the Basement... But in the opening of Resident Evil 4, going back through this house, there's none of that. Sure, it's still a bit unkempt and gross, but there's no mold, there's no bisected cows, even the mannequins are gone.
gone. As stated in the Headscratcher above this one, the main player character in Beginning Hour is not Clancy (Except during the VHS segment where you play as him.) In the True Ending, [[spoiler: The unnamed protagonist escapes and tells the police, but they search the place and find no evidence of murder, and no video. They also find the protagonist has LSD on their person, which led to his story being discarded.]] So with that in mind, obviously the Bakers cleaned up the place between Beginning Hour and the main game, right? The only thing that doesn't match up is [[spoiler: The fact that the VHS is easily accessible from the attic in the main game, even though the demo's True Ending says that the police couldn't find it.]] I'm not sure what the deal is there, so it's hard to tell where Beginning Hour takes place in the game's timeline. I mean, "Beginning Hour" suggests it takes place before the game proper, but... you never know.
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* They clearly are two different people. [[spoiler: Nothing during the 'Happy Birthday' tape suggests that it was him (outside the footage he shot, of course), and the character in the demo lacks the wristband Clancy wears.]]
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* A friend and I have been stumped on this for a little bit. In "Beginning Hour", the house is a mess - there's a bisected cow with a pair of bolt cutters stuck in it, there's creepy sculptures hanging on the ceiling of one of the rooms, there's a lot of mold near the Basement... But in the opening of Resident Evil 4, going back through this house, there's none of that. Sure, it's still a bit unkempt and gross, but there's no mold, there's no bisected cows, even the mannequins are gone.
As stated in the Headscratcher above this one, the main player character in Beginning Hour is not Clancy (Except during the VHS segment where you play as him.) In the True Ending, [[spoiler: The unnamed protagonist escapes and tells the police, but they search the place and find no evidence of murder, and no video. They also find the protagonist has LSD on their person, which led to his story being discarded.]] So with that in mind, obviously the Bakers cleaned up the place between Beginning Hour and the main game, right? The only thing that doesn't match up is [[spoiler: The fact that the VHS is easily accessible from the attic in the main game, even though the demo's True Ending says that the police couldn't find it.]] I'm not sure what the deal is there, so it's hard to tell where Beginning Hour takes place in the game's timeline. I mean, "Beginning Hour" suggests it takes place before the game proper, but... you never know.
!!! '''The order of events between Beginning Hour and the main game'''
* A friend and I have been stumped on this for a little bit. In "Beginning Hour", the house is a mess - there's a bisected cow with a pair of bolt cutters stuck in it, there's creepy sculptures hanging on the ceiling of one of the rooms, there's a lot of mold near the Basement... But in the opening of Resident Evil 4, going back through this house, there's none of that. Sure, it's still a bit unkempt and gross, but there's no mold, there's no bisected cows, even the mannequins are gone.
As stated in the Headscratcher above this one, the main player character in Beginning Hour is not Clancy (Except during the VHS segment where you play as him.) In the True Ending, [[spoiler: The unnamed protagonist escapes and tells the police, but they search the place and find no evidence of murder, and no video. They also find the protagonist has LSD on their person, which led to his story being discarded.]] So with that in mind, obviously the Bakers cleaned up the place between Beginning Hour and the main game, right? The only thing that doesn't match up is [[spoiler: The fact that the VHS is easily accessible from the attic in the main game, even though the demo's True Ending says that the police couldn't find it.]] I'm not sure what the deal is there, so it's hard to tell where Beginning Hour takes place in the game's timeline. I mean, "Beginning Hour" suggests it takes place before the game proper, but... you never know.
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* After looking at it over and over...[[spoiler: Is it possible that Ethan got a whole different hand stampled on his stump entirely? The codex attached to it seems to hint that they´re genetically tuned in to specific people... And considering that Ethan was called "daddy" by Eveline's hive mind, then would that mean it came from her supposed "father figure" that was assigned to her? Is it really Ethan´s hand or does it actually belongs to the guy seen on the ship? The original owner of the codex attached to it?]]
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* After looking at it over and over...[[spoiler: Is it possible that Ethan got a whole different hand stampled stapled on his stump entirely? The codex attached to it seems to hint that they´re genetically tuned in to specific people... And considering that Ethan was called "daddy" by Eveline's hive mind, then would that mean it came from her supposed "father figure" that was assigned to her? Is it really Ethan´s hand or does it actually belongs to the guy seen on the ship? The original owner of the codex attached to it?]]
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** When Ethan [[spoiler: leaves Zoe behind after choosing Mia, he tells her he'll send help. She shouts after him "Don't bother! There won't be anyone left to help!" implying she either intends to kill herself or that she knows Eveline is going to kill her. Considering Eveline does kill her if you choose Zoe, the latter is more likely.]]
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** All we know is that if you [[spoiler: cure Mia, the Umbrella Corps doesn't find anyone alive at the mansion. Contextually, it seems likely that Eveline killed her.]]
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** All we know is that if you [[spoiler: cure Mia, the Umbrella Corps doesn't find anyone alive at the mansion. Contextually, it seems likely that Eveline killed her.]]
!!! '''Why does everyone think Clancy is the player in the demo?'''
* They clearly are two different people. [[spoiler: Nothing during the 'Happy Birthday' tape suggests that it was him (outside the footage he shot, of course), and the character in the demo lacks the wristband Clancy wears.]]
!!! '''Why does everyone think Clancy is the player in the demo?'''
* They clearly are two different people. [[spoiler: Nothing during the 'Happy Birthday' tape suggests that it was him (outside the footage he shot, of course), and the character in the demo lacks the wristband Clancy wears.]]
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* So...what happened to Zoe? Considering that she [[spoiler: appeared within the HiveMind as a observer if she wasn't cured...]] hints that she was indeed infected, but when the soldiers showed up, she was nowhere to be found. So...[[spoiler: did she [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled offed herself]] off before the Mold could turn her into [[IDieFree one of its puppets]]?]]
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* So...what happened to Zoe? Considering that she [[spoiler: appeared within the HiveMind as a observer if she wasn't cured...]] hints that she was indeed infected, but when the soldiers showed up, she was nowhere to be found. So...[[spoiler: did she [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled offed off herself]] off before the Mold could turn her into [[IDieFree one of its puppets]]?]]puppets]]?]]
** All we know is that if you [[spoiler: cure Mia, the Umbrella Corps doesn't find anyone alive at the mansion. Contextually, it seems likely that Eveline killed her.]]
** All we know is that if you [[spoiler: cure Mia, the Umbrella Corps doesn't find anyone alive at the mansion. Contextually, it seems likely that Eveline killed her.]]
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** There's also likely to be some information about this when the ''Heavenly Island'' manga concludes.
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*** Ahh, yes... when his mold-induced healing factor kicks in. My mistake, thanks.
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*** Ahh, yes... when his mold-induced healing factor kicks in. My mistake, thanks.thanks.
!!! '''Zoe's fate'''
* So...what happened to Zoe? Considering that she [[spoiler: appeared within the HiveMind as a observer if she wasn't cured...]] hints that she was indeed infected, but when the soldiers showed up, she was nowhere to be found. So...[[spoiler: did she [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled offed herself]] off before the Mold could turn her into [[IDieFree one of its puppets]]?]]
!!! '''Zoe's fate'''
* So...what happened to Zoe? Considering that she [[spoiler: appeared within the HiveMind as a observer if she wasn't cured...]] hints that she was indeed infected, but when the soldiers showed up, she was nowhere to be found. So...[[spoiler: did she [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled offed herself]] off before the Mold could turn her into [[IDieFree one of its puppets]]?]]
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*** If you look carefully, the cut disappears immediately after the tutorial tells you how to use a healing item.
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*** If you look carefully, the cut disappears immediately after the tutorial tells you how to use a healing item.item.
*** Ahh, yes... when his mold-induced healing factor kicks in. My mistake, thanks.
*** Ahh, yes... when his mold-induced healing factor kicks in. My mistake, thanks.
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** The thought just crossed my mind since the massive [[spoiler: cut Mia gave him when she stabbed through his hand]] was nowhere to be seen afterwards, which made me wonder if it really was the same hand.
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** The thought just crossed my mind since the massive [[spoiler: cut Mia gave him when she stabbed through his hand]] was nowhere to be seen afterwards, which made me wonder if it really was the same hand.hand.
*** If you look carefully, the cut disappears immediately after the tutorial tells you how to use a healing item.
*** If you look carefully, the cut disappears immediately after the tutorial tells you how to use a healing item.
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** Doubtful, considering that [[spoiler:Alan was completely dissolved by Eveline, and it would be tough to keep a severed hand in good condition for three years.]]
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** Doubtful, considering that [[spoiler:Alan was completely dissolved by Eveline, and it would be tough to keep a severed hand in good condition for three years.]]]]
** The thought just crossed my mind since the massive [[spoiler: cut Mia gave him when she stabbed through his hand]] was nowhere to be seen afterwards, which made me wonder if it really was the same hand.
** The thought just crossed my mind since the massive [[spoiler: cut Mia gave him when she stabbed through his hand]] was nowhere to be seen afterwards, which made me wonder if it really was the same hand.
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* After looking at it over and over...[[spoiler: Is it possible that Ethan got a whole different hand stampled on his stump entirely? The codex attached to it seems to hint that they´re genetically tuned in to specific people... And considering that Ethan was called "daddy" by Eveline's hive mind, then would that mean it came from her supposed "father figure" that was assigned to her? Is it really Ethan´s hand or does it actually belongs to the guy seen on the ship? The original owner of the codex attached to it?]]
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* After looking at it over and over...[[spoiler: Is it possible that Ethan got a whole different hand stampled on his stump entirely? The codex attached to it seems to hint that they´re genetically tuned in to specific people... And considering that Ethan was called "daddy" by Eveline's hive mind, then would that mean it came from her supposed "father figure" that was assigned to her? Is it really Ethan´s hand or does it actually belongs to the guy seen on the ship? The original owner of the codex attached to it?]]it?]]
** Doubtful, considering that [[spoiler:Alan was completely dissolved by Eveline, and it would be tough to keep a severed hand in good condition for three years.]]
** Doubtful, considering that [[spoiler:Alan was completely dissolved by Eveline, and it would be tough to keep a severed hand in good condition for three years.]]
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* After looking at it over and over...[[spoiler: Is it possible that Ethan got a whole different hand stampled on his stump entirely? The codex attached to it seems to hint that they´re genetically tuned in to specific people... And considering that Ethan was called "daddy" by Eveline's hive mind, then that would mean that it came from her supposed "father figure" that was assigned to her? Is it really Ethan´s hand or does it actually belongs to the guy seen on the ship? The original owner of the codex attached to it?]]
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* After looking at it over and over...[[spoiler: Is it possible that Ethan got a whole different hand stampled on his stump entirely? The codex attached to it seems to hint that they´re genetically tuned in to specific people... And considering that Ethan was called "daddy" by Eveline's hive mind, then that would that mean that it came from her supposed "father figure" that was assigned to her? Is it really Ethan´s hand or does it actually belongs to the guy seen on the ship? The original owner of the codex attached to it?]]
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* [[spoiler: Chris's]] appearance in the ending brings up a whole lot of questions. Why is there a modified [[spoiler: Umbrella logo on the helicopter, for example. Especially since Umbrella's been gone for almost two decades already.]] I guess the "Not a Hero" additional content will shed some light on this, especially with its Spring 2017 release happening at the same time the Vendetta film is released, as it takes place during the time skip between this game and the previous ones.
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* [[spoiler: Chris's]] appearance in the ending brings up a whole lot of questions. Why is there a modified [[spoiler: Umbrella logo on the helicopter, for example. Especially since Umbrella's been gone for almost two decades already.]] I guess the "Not a Hero" additional content will shed some light on this, especially with its Spring 2017 release happening at the same time the Vendetta film is released, as it takes place during the time skip between this game and the previous ones.ones.
!!! '''Who´s hand is that?'''
* After looking at it over and over...[[spoiler: Is it possible that Ethan got a whole different hand stampled on his stump entirely? The codex attached to it seems to hint that they´re genetically tuned in to specific people... And considering that Ethan was called "daddy" by Eveline's hive mind, then that would mean that it came from her supposed "father figure" that was assigned to her? Is it really Ethan´s hand or does it actually belongs to the guy seen on the ship? The original owner of the codex attached to it?]]
!!! '''Who´s hand is that?'''
* After looking at it over and over...[[spoiler: Is it possible that Ethan got a whole different hand stampled on his stump entirely? The codex attached to it seems to hint that they´re genetically tuned in to specific people... And considering that Ethan was called "daddy" by Eveline's hive mind, then that would mean that it came from her supposed "father figure" that was assigned to her? Is it really Ethan´s hand or does it actually belongs to the guy seen on the ship? The original owner of the codex attached to it?]]
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** I believe that [[spoiler:Lucas just flees the mansion, and the monster you fight is actually Jack, since he specifically refers to you killing his wife (Marguerite), stealing one of his daughters (Mia), and turning the other against him (Zoe). In addition, inside the hidden lab, you can find a document stating that Lucas is in fact working as a spy for the corporation that created Eveline, and was given a serum that allows him to resist her control. These revelations and his disappearance from the story seem to indicate that his escape is meant to set up a SequelHook.]]
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** I believe that [[spoiler:Lucas just flees the mansion, and the monster you fight is actually Jack, since he specifically refers to you killing his wife (Marguerite), stealing one of his daughters (Mia), and turning the other against him (Zoe). In addition, inside the hidden lab, you can find a document stating that Lucas is in fact working as a spy for the corporation that created Eveline, and was given a serum that allows him to resist her control. These revelations and his disappearance from the story seem to indicate that his escape is meant to set up a SequelHook.]]]]
!!! '''[[spoiler: Chris]] appearing in the ending'''
*[[spoiler: Chris's]] appearance in the ending brings up a whole lot of questions. Why is there a modified [[spoiler: Umbrella logo on the helicopter, for example. Especially since Umbrella's been gone for almost two decades already.]] I guess the "Not a Hero" additional content will shed some light on this, especially with its Spring 2017 release happening at the same time the Vendetta film is released, as it takes place during the time skip between this game and the previous ones.
!!! '''[[spoiler: Chris]] appearing in the ending'''
*[[spoiler: Chris's]] appearance in the ending brings up a whole lot of questions. Why is there a modified [[spoiler: Umbrella logo on the helicopter, for example. Especially since Umbrella's been gone for almost two decades already.]] I guess the "Not a Hero" additional content will shed some light on this, especially with its Spring 2017 release happening at the same time the Vendetta film is released, as it takes place during the time skip between this game and the previous ones.
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** Entirely possible. Weirder things have happened in this series after all.
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** Entirely possible. Weirder things have happened in this series after all.all.
** I believe that [[spoiler:Lucas just flees the mansion, and the monster you fight is actually Jack, since he specifically refers to you killing his wife (Marguerite), stealing one of his daughters (Mia), and turning the other against him (Zoe). In addition, inside the hidden lab, you can find a document stating that Lucas is in fact working as a spy for the corporation that created Eveline, and was given a serum that allows him to resist her control. These revelations and his disappearance from the story seem to indicate that his escape is meant to set up a SequelHook.]]
** I believe that [[spoiler:Lucas just flees the mansion, and the monster you fight is actually Jack, since he specifically refers to you killing his wife (Marguerite), stealing one of his daughters (Mia), and turning the other against him (Zoe). In addition, inside the hidden lab, you can find a document stating that Lucas is in fact working as a spy for the corporation that created Eveline, and was given a serum that allows him to resist her control. These revelations and his disappearance from the story seem to indicate that his escape is meant to set up a SequelHook.]]
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* So...correct me if I´m wrong, but [[spoiler: wasn´t it Lucas who turned into that giant monster with the eyes after his game? I thought that the collective hive-mind that the "mold" was allowed Jack to "hi[[IncrediblyLamePun jack]]" Lucas body in the loss of his own and go after Ethan. The beast was spouting some really specific "Lucas quotes" in the fight which I noticed stood out from Jack´s quotes. And considering that Lucas all but disappeared after that, isn´t it safer too say that he was the source of the giant beast? Lucas did say that he was setting something up after his failed game which he wasn´t going to "spoil" for Ethan, after all...]] The evidence seems to point at this, so...is it possible?
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* So...correct me if I´m wrong, but [[spoiler: wasn´t it Lucas who turned into that giant monster with the eyes after his game? I thought that the collective hive-mind that the "mold" was allowed Jack to "hi[[IncrediblyLamePun jack]]" Lucas body in the loss of his own and go after Ethan. The beast was spouting some really specific "Lucas quotes" in the fight which I noticed stood out from Jack´s quotes. And considering that Lucas all but disappeared after that, isn´t it safer too say that he was the source of the giant beast? Lucas did say that he was setting something up after his failed game which he wasn´t going to "spoil" for Ethan, after all...]] The evidence seems to point at this, so...is it possible?possible?
** Entirely possible. Weirder things have happened in this series after all.
** Entirely possible. Weirder things have happened in this series after all.
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!!! '''Lucas´ fate'''
* So...correct me if I´m wrong, but [[spoiler: wasn´t it Lucas who turned into that giant monster with the eyes after his game? I thought that the collective hive-mind that the "mold" was allowed Jack to "hi[[IncrediblyLamePun jack]]" Lucas body in the loss of his own and go after Ethan. The beast was spouting some really specific "Lucas quotes" in the fight which I noticed stood out from Jack´s quotes. And considering that Lucas all but disappeared after that, isn´t it safer too say that he was the source of the giant beast? Lucas did say that he was setting something up after his failed game which he wasn´t going to "spoil" for Ethan, after all...]] The evidence seems to point at this, so...is it possible?
* So...correct me if I´m wrong, but [[spoiler: wasn´t it Lucas who turned into that giant monster with the eyes after his game? I thought that the collective hive-mind that the "mold" was allowed Jack to "hi[[IncrediblyLamePun jack]]" Lucas body in the loss of his own and go after Ethan. The beast was spouting some really specific "Lucas quotes" in the fight which I noticed stood out from Jack´s quotes. And considering that Lucas all but disappeared after that, isn´t it safer too say that he was the source of the giant beast? Lucas did say that he was setting something up after his failed game which he wasn´t going to "spoil" for Ethan, after all...]] The evidence seems to point at this, so...is it possible?
