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**** You're assuming that a Protagonist with a story and [[Everyman a protagonist the player is meant to identify with]] are mutually exclusive, which is most definitely not true. Besides, unlike [[Role-Playing Game]]s, most people act in the exact same way when put in a dangerous situation - try not to die - so whatever personality either protagonist might have is mostly irrelevant here. You're running away from psychos, not trying to date them.
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**** You're assuming that a Protagonist with a story and [[Everyman [[The Everyman a protagonist the player is meant to identify with]] are mutually exclusive, which is most definitely not true. Besides, unlike [[Role-Playing Game]]s, Game Role Playing Games]], most people act in the exact same way when put in a dangerous situation - try not to die - so whatever personality either protagonist might have is mostly irrelevant here. You're running away from psychos, not trying to date them.
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**** You're assuming that a Protagonist with a story and [[Everyman a protagonist the player is meant to identify with]] are mutually exclusive, which is most definitely not true. Besides, unlike [[Role-Playing Game RPGs]], Game]]s, most people act in the exact same way when put in a dangerous situation - try not to die - so whatever personality either protagonist might have is mostly irrelevant here. You're running away from psychos, not trying to date them.
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**** You're assuming that a Protagonist with a story and [[Everyman a protagonist the player is meant to identify with]] are mutually exclusive, which is most definitely not true. Besides, unlike [[RPGs Role-Playing Game]], [[Role-Playing Game RPGs]], most people act in the exact same way when put in a dangerous situation - try not to die - so whatever personality either protagonist might have is mostly irrelevant here. You're running away from psychos, not trying to date them.
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**** You're assuming that a protagonist Protagonist with a story and [[Everyman a protagonist the player is meant to identify with with]] are mutually exclusive, which is most definitely not true. Besides, unlike RPGs, [[RPGs Role-Playing Game]], most people act in the exact same way when put in a dangerous situation - try not to die - so whatever personality either protagonist might have is mostly irrelevant here. You're running away from psychos, not trying to date them.
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*** Dr Trager wasn't cut in half when he died, the descending elevator simply crushed his torso. When you see him in Whistleblower, Murkoff troops have just finished pulling him out.
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** I'm more confused as to how he was back in one piece (albeit still dead) during the events of Whistle Blower despite becoming HalfTheManHeUsedToBe in the main game.
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*** Okay, but what's the meta reason? Why didn't the developers let us see their faces?
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*** This actually explains why he doesn't have a weapon; he KNOWS that the asylum was mistreating it's patients and possibly have armed guards. If he had a weapon, of any kind, he would have been shot on site. He had to appear as though he was just a normal, law-abiding citizen to not draw attention to the fact that he was probably going to break into many restricted areas. He might have also not salvaged a melee weapon because most of these men seemed to be able to overpower him at close range (and most of the violent ones are now indifferent to pain, so just nicking them wouldn't be effective at all). It still doesn't explain why he doesn't salvage a gun though, either he didn't know how to use one or maybe they were all out of ammunition.
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** Because the game is first person perspective and there are no good mirrors.
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* So after the inmates were released, Eddie Gluskin made his way to the Vocational Block and set up shop, fashioned himself a tux (general consensus is that he made it himself), as well as designed wedding dresses, and killed many many many many ''many many'' men. And he didn't just chase victims down and murder them. He dragged each one back to his little torture area where he mutilated and feminized them, including slicing and sewing their chests into breasts. And he dragged each corpse to the gym (all the ones he didn't use as decorations, anyway), where he strung them up on the rope and pulley system he had made. He gained a reputation among the other inmates as The Groom, and they were terrified of him. One would expect his reign of terror had been going on for ''weeks'' at least. But apparently he accomplished all of that in the space of an hour or two? Plus another 12 or so while Waylon is unconscious, but ''still''.
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* So after the inmates were released, Eddie Gluskin made his way to the Vocational Block and set up shop, fashioned himself a tux (general consensus is that he made it himself), as well as designed wedding dresses, and killed many many many many ''many many'' men. And he didn't just chase victims down and murder them. He dragged each one back to his little torture area where he mutilated and feminized them, including slicing and sewing their chests into breasts. And he dragged each corpse to the gym (all the ones he didn't use as decorations, anyway), where he strung them up on the rope and pulley system he had made. He gained a reputation among the other inmates as The Groom, and they were terrified of him. One would expect his reign of terror had been going on for ''weeks'' at least. But apparently he accomplished all of that in the space of an hour or two? Plus another 12 or so while Waylon is unconscious, but ''still''.''still''.
** The clothier equipment was already there, implying that inmates where making clothes as therapy before funding for non-invasive treatments got cut, so Eddie only had to put on an old suit and dig up any white gowns he could find to have "wedding clothes". He isn't the only killer on site, he probably scavenged most of his corpses when everyone moved on from his "territory". His feminization is for the most part limited to genital trauma and preling back the skin on the chest to put stuffing inside, and only a few bodies display it. Only like two guys actually call him by his "title", or are close enough to him to know what he is capable of. His presentation as hyper mass murderer and torturer extraordinaire is just us conflating his instances of on-screen depravity onto the the gore fest that is going on in the background of every environment in the asylum without him. Even the pulley system is more slapdash and limited than it first appears, most of those bodies were just hanged from the rafters.
** The clothier equipment was already there, implying that inmates where making clothes as therapy before funding for non-invasive treatments got cut, so Eddie only had to put on an old suit and dig up any white gowns he could find to have "wedding clothes". He isn't the only killer on site, he probably scavenged most of his corpses when everyone moved on from his "territory". His feminization is for the most part limited to genital trauma and preling back the skin on the chest to put stuffing inside, and only a few bodies display it. Only like two guys actually call him by his "title", or are close enough to him to know what he is capable of. His presentation as hyper mass murderer and torturer extraordinaire is just us conflating his instances of on-screen depravity onto the the gore fest that is going on in the background of every environment in the asylum without him. Even the pulley system is more slapdash and limited than it first appears, most of those bodies were just hanged from the rafters.
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** It's Mount Massive Asylum for the ''Criminally'' Insane. So in this case, it's a fair assumption that the patients there are violent without being offensive to mental patients in general.
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* This also makes the assumption that all people kept in an mental institution are inherently or even commonly violent, which is not true. To say otherwise is incredibly rude. Obviously, these inmates WERE violent - but they were turned violent due to the practices inside the asylum, which Miles thought was the only thing going on. He also didn't know the extent of these practices. As a troper above mentioned, any weapons would have been confiscated, so there was no point in bringing one as it possibly would have just made the corrupt practitioners more suspicious of him. He had no idea what he was getting into - but seriously. Why go at night?
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* This also makes the assumption that all people kept in an mental institution are inherently or even commonly violent, which is not true. To say otherwise is incredibly rude. Obviously, these inmates WERE violent - but they were turned violent due to the practices inside the asylum, which Miles thought was the only thing going on. He also didn't know the extent of these practices. As a troper above mentioned, any weapons would have been confiscated, so there was no point in bringing one as it possibly would have just made the corrupt practitioners more suspicious of him. He had no idea what he was getting into - but seriously. Why go at night?night?
* So after the inmates were released, Eddie Gluskin made his way to the Vocational Block and set up shop, fashioned himself a tux (general consensus is that he made it himself), as well as designed wedding dresses, and killed many many many many ''many many'' men. And he didn't just chase victims down and murder them. He dragged each one back to his little torture area where he mutilated and feminized them, including slicing and sewing their chests into breasts. And he dragged each corpse to the gym (all the ones he didn't use as decorations, anyway), where he strung them up on the rope and pulley system he had made. He gained a reputation among the other inmates as The Groom, and they were terrified of him. One would expect his reign of terror had been going on for ''weeks'' at least. But apparently he accomplished all of that in the space of an hour or two? Plus another 12 or so while Waylon is unconscious, but ''still''.
* So after the inmates were released, Eddie Gluskin made his way to the Vocational Block and set up shop, fashioned himself a tux (general consensus is that he made it himself), as well as designed wedding dresses, and killed many many many many ''many many'' men. And he didn't just chase victims down and murder them. He dragged each one back to his little torture area where he mutilated and feminized them, including slicing and sewing their chests into breasts. And he dragged each corpse to the gym (all the ones he didn't use as decorations, anyway), where he strung them up on the rope and pulley system he had made. He gained a reputation among the other inmates as The Groom, and they were terrified of him. One would expect his reign of terror had been going on for ''weeks'' at least. But apparently he accomplished all of that in the space of an hour or two? Plus another 12 or so while Waylon is unconscious, but ''still''.
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*** The tip said the people running the hospital were treating the patients badly, not 'The patients have taken over and are killing people AAAAAHHHH!'. He still would have assumed normal rules were being upheld and he should try his hardest to look like a normal visitor. Admittedly, going there at night was a bit stupid, but understandable if he got overexcited.
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*** The tip said the people running the hospital were treating the patients badly, not 'The patients have taken over and are killing people AAAAAHHHH!'. He still would have assumed normal rules were being upheld and he should try his hardest to look like a normal visitor. Admittedly, going there at night was a bit stupid, but understandable if he got overexcited.overexcited.
* This also makes the assumption that all people kept in an mental institution are inherently or even commonly violent, which is not true. To say otherwise is incredibly rude. Obviously, these inmates WERE violent - but they were turned violent due to the practices inside the asylum, which Miles thought was the only thing going on. He also didn't know the extent of these practices. As a troper above mentioned, any weapons would have been confiscated, so there was no point in bringing one as it possibly would have just made the corrupt practitioners more suspicious of him. He had no idea what he was getting into - but seriously. Why go at night?
* This also makes the assumption that all people kept in an mental institution are inherently or even commonly violent, which is not true. To say otherwise is incredibly rude. Obviously, these inmates WERE violent - but they were turned violent due to the practices inside the asylum, which Miles thought was the only thing going on. He also didn't know the extent of these practices. As a troper above mentioned, any weapons would have been confiscated, so there was no point in bringing one as it possibly would have just made the corrupt practitioners more suspicious of him. He had no idea what he was getting into - but seriously. Why go at night?
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* So why don't we ever get to see Miles' or Waylon's faces? It'd be one understandable if they were FeaturelessProtagonists and the player is meant to insert themself into the role. But the fact that they both have names, backstories, and defined personalities (Waylon even has a family) writes out that possibility.
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* So why don't we ever get to see Miles' or Waylon's faces? It'd be one understandable if they were FeaturelessProtagonists [[FeaturelessProtagonist featurelss protagonists]] and the player is meant to insert themself into the role. But the fact that they both have names, backstories, and defined personalities (Waylon even has a family) writes out that possibility.
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* '''Why'''? Why does Mike Upshur, a simple freelance journalist, go to an ''insane asylum'' without any weapon?! Or any good training? He can certainly run and do some athletic things, like jump and climb well. But why did he not think of taking [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim a gun]] with him or a knife hidden on his body? Why does he think the best way to enter a place that basically [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin tells you it's full of insane and mentally unstable people]] is without any means of protection?
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* '''Why'''? Why does Mike Miles Upshur, a simple freelance journalist, go to an ''insane asylum'' without any weapon?! Or any good training? He can certainly run and do some athletic things, like jump and climb well. But why did he not think of taking [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim a gun]] with him or a knife hidden on his body? Why does he think the best way to enter a place that basically [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin tells you it's full of insane and mentally unstable people]] is without any means of protection?
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*** He was going into an insane asylum. Where he went, under the assumption given to him by a tip, that something really, really bad was going on. He had every reason to believe "regular rules" would not be upheld. Also, [[TooDumbToLive he went there at night]].
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*** He was going into an insane asylum. Where he went, under the assumption given to him by a tip, that something really, really bad was going on. He had every reason to believe "regular rules" would not be upheld. Also, [[TooDumbToLive he went there at night]].night]].
*** The tip said the people running the hospital were treating the patients badly, not 'The patients have taken over and are killing people AAAAAHHHH!'. He still would have assumed normal rules were being upheld and he should try his hardest to look like a normal visitor. Admittedly, going there at night was a bit stupid, but understandable if he got overexcited.
*** The tip said the people running the hospital were treating the patients badly, not 'The patients have taken over and are killing people AAAAAHHHH!'. He still would have assumed normal rules were being upheld and he should try his hardest to look like a normal visitor. Admittedly, going there at night was a bit stupid, but understandable if he got overexcited.
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** He didn't know it had been overrun until it was too late. Mental hospitals confiscate anything the visitors have that could be used as a weapon for obvious reasons, so he would have probably thought the weapon would get taken away from him. He may also not have a gun license or carry permit, and as far as I know carrying a knife for self defense is illegal.
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** He didn't know it had been overrun until it was too late. Mental hospitals confiscate anything the visitors have that could be used as a weapon for obvious reasons, so he would have probably thought the weapon would get taken away from him. He may also not have a gun license or carry permit, and as far as I know carrying a knife for self defense is illegal.illegal.
*** He was going into an insane asylum. Where he went, under the assumption given to him by a tip, that something really, really bad was going on. He had every reason to believe "regular rules" would not be upheld. Also, [[TooDumbToLive he went there at night]].
*** He was going into an insane asylum. Where he went, under the assumption given to him by a tip, that something really, really bad was going on. He had every reason to believe "regular rules" would not be upheld. Also, [[TooDumbToLive he went there at night]].
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* '''Why'''? Why does Mike Upshur, a simple freelance journalist, go to an ''insane asylum'' without any weapon?! Or any good training? He can certainly run and do some athletic things, like jump and climb well. But why did he not think of taking [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim a gun]] with him or a knife hidden on his body? Why does he think the best way to enter a place that basically [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin tells you it's full of insane and mentally unstable people]] is without any means of protection?
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* '''Why'''? Why does Mike Upshur, a simple freelance journalist, go to an ''insane asylum'' without any weapon?! Or any good training? He can certainly run and do some athletic things, like jump and climb well. But why did he not think of taking [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim a gun]] with him or a knife hidden on his body? Why does he think the best way to enter a place that basically [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin tells you it's full of insane and mentally unstable people]] is without any means of protection?protection?
** He didn't know it had been overrun until it was too late. Mental hospitals confiscate anything the visitors have that could be used as a weapon for obvious reasons, so he would have probably thought the weapon would get taken away from him. He may also not have a gun license or carry permit, and as far as I know carrying a knife for self defense is illegal.
** He didn't know it had been overrun until it was too late. Mental hospitals confiscate anything the visitors have that could be used as a weapon for obvious reasons, so he would have probably thought the weapon would get taken away from him. He may also not have a gun license or carry permit, and as far as I know carrying a knife for self defense is illegal.
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** It's also likely that his feet, too, got tangled in the rope he was using. Or he had a tight grip on the rope, given that he says how heavy Park is, and when Park went down, Gluskin went up.
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** Odds are that Gluskin was attempting to get a better grip on the rope he was using to hoist Park, and so likely wrapped it around his arm. When Park came crashing down, it obviously hoisted Gluskin off the ground - though where on earth the beam he got impaled on came from is beyond me. Perhaps when the rickety ceiling gave way?
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** Odds are that Gluskin was attempting to get a better grip on the rope he was using to hoist Park, and so likely wrapped it around his arm. When Park came crashing down, it obviously hoisted Gluskin off the ground - though where on earth the beam he got impaled on came from is beyond me. Perhaps when the rickety ceiling gave way?way?
* '''Why'''? Why does Mike Upshur, a simple freelance journalist, go to an ''insane asylum'' without any weapon?! Or any good training? He can certainly run and do some athletic things, like jump and climb well. But why did he not think of taking [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim a gun]] with him or a knife hidden on his body? Why does he think the best way to enter a place that basically [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin tells you it's full of insane and mentally unstable people]] is without any means of protection?
* '''Why'''? Why does Mike Upshur, a simple freelance journalist, go to an ''insane asylum'' without any weapon?! Or any good training? He can certainly run and do some athletic things, like jump and climb well. But why did he not think of taking [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim a gun]] with him or a knife hidden on his body? Why does he think the best way to enter a place that basically [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin tells you it's full of insane and mentally unstable people]] is without any means of protection?
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** Odds are that Gluskin was attempting to get a better grip on the rope he was using to hoist Park, and so likely wrapped it around his arm. When Park came crashing down, it obviously hoisted Gluskin off the ground - though where on earth the beam he got impaled on came from is beyond me.
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** Odds are that Gluskin was attempting to get a better grip on the rope he was using to hoist Park, and so likely wrapped it around his arm. When Park came crashing down, it obviously hoisted Gluskin off the ground - though where on earth the beam he got impaled on came from is beyond me. Perhaps when the rickety ceiling gave way?
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* I'm just a little curious about how [[spoiler:Eddie's]] trap backfired on him in Whistleblower. I can't quite see how the struggle turned the situation completely on its head. Can anyone explain it to me, please?
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* I'm just a little curious about how [[spoiler:Eddie's]] trap backfired on him in Whistleblower. I can't quite see how the struggle turned the situation completely on its head. Can anyone explain it to me, please?please?
** Odds are that Gluskin was attempting to get a better grip on the rope he was using to hoist Park, and so likely wrapped it around his arm. When Park came crashing down, it obviously hoisted Gluskin off the ground - though where on earth the beam he got impaled on came from is beyond me.
** Odds are that Gluskin was attempting to get a better grip on the rope he was using to hoist Park, and so likely wrapped it around his arm. When Park came crashing down, it obviously hoisted Gluskin off the ground - though where on earth the beam he got impaled on came from is beyond me.
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** Most likely he did it to himself or an inmate did. It all depends on whether or not you think he's insane to begin with or went insane from the situation around him.
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** Most likely he did it to himself or an inmate did. It all depends on whether or not you think he's insane to begin with or went insane from the situation around him.him.
* I'm just a little curious about how [[spoiler:Eddie's]] trap backfired on him in Whistleblower. I can't quite see how the struggle turned the situation completely on its head. Can anyone explain it to me, please?
* I'm just a little curious about how [[spoiler:Eddie's]] trap backfired on him in Whistleblower. I can't quite see how the struggle turned the situation completely on its head. Can anyone explain it to me, please?
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** He didn't know Miles was possessed until it was too late and thought it more efficient to plug a leak immediately, rather than question him, let him go and risk him blabbing about what happened.
* What the hell happened to Trager's body to seemingly remove most of the skin from it? We know that being stuck in the Engine makes people develop new tumors but did he get exposed to something Walrider-y that turned him tojerky?jerky?
**Most likely he did it to himself or an inmate did. It all depends on whether or not you think he's insane to begin with or went insane from the situation around him.
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**Most likely he did it to himself or an inmate did. It all depends on whether or not you think he's insane to begin with or went insane from the situation around him.
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* So why don't we ever get to see Miles' or Waylon's faces? It'd be one understandable if they were FeaturelessProtagonists and the player is meant to insert themself into the role. But the fact that they both have names and defined personalities (Waylon even has a family) writes out that possibility.
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* So why don't we ever get to see Miles' or Waylon's faces? It'd be one understandable if they were FeaturelessProtagonists and the player is meant to insert themself into the role. But the fact that they both have names names, backstories, and defined personalities (Waylon even has a family) writes out that possibility.
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* As I stated in YMMV (WhatAnIdiot), why did Rudolf Wernicke think killing Miles was good idea BEFORE they questioned him? There were so many unknown variables to the situation that killing Miles immediately had NO BENEFIT whatsoever. All that occurred from shooting Miles was for everyone else, including Rudolf, being brutally killed.
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* As I stated in YMMV (WhatAnIdiot), why did Rudolf Wernicke think killing Miles was good idea BEFORE they questioned him? There were so many unknown variables to the situation that killing Miles immediately had NO BENEFIT whatsoever. All that occurred from shooting Miles was for everyone else, including Rudolf, being brutally killed.killed.
* What the hell happened to Trager's body to seemingly remove most of the skin from it? We know that being stuck in the Engine makes people develop new tumors but did he get exposed to something Walrider-y that turned him to jerky?
* What the hell happened to Trager's body to seemingly remove most of the skin from it? We know that being stuck in the Engine makes people develop new tumors but did he get exposed to something Walrider-y that turned him to jerky?
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* So why don't we ever get to see Miles' or Waylon's faces? It'd be one understandable if they were FeaturelessProtagonists and the player is meant to insert themself into the role. But the fact that they both have names and defined personalities (Waylon even has a family) writes out that possibility.
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* So why don't we ever get to see Miles' or Waylon's faces? It'd be one understandable if they were FeaturelessProtagonists and the player is meant to insert themself into the role. But the fact that they both have names and defined personalities (Waylon even has a family) writes out that possibility.possibility.
* As I stated in YMMV (WhatAnIdiot), why did Rudolf Wernicke think killing Miles was good idea BEFORE they questioned him? There were so many unknown variables to the situation that killing Miles immediately had NO BENEFIT whatsoever. All that occurred from shooting Miles was for everyone else, including Rudolf, being brutally killed.
* As I stated in YMMV (WhatAnIdiot), why did Rudolf Wernicke think killing Miles was good idea BEFORE they questioned him? There were so many unknown variables to the situation that killing Miles immediately had NO BENEFIT whatsoever. All that occurred from shooting Miles was for everyone else, including Rudolf, being brutally killed.
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* So after the inmates were released, Eddie Gluskin made his way to the Vocational Block and set up shop, fashioned himself a tux (general consensus is that he made it himself), and killed many many many many ''many many'' men. And he didn't just chase victims down and murder them. He dragged each one back to his little torture area where he mutilated and feminized them, including slicing and sewing their chests into breasts. And he dragged each corpse to the gym (all the ones he didn't use as decorations, anyway), where he strung them up on the rope and pulley system he had made. He gained a reputation among the other inmates as The Groom, and they were terrified of him. One would expect his reign of terror had been going on for ''weeks'' at least. But assuming the games take place in real time unless we are explicitly told there is a time jump, he accomplished all of that in the space of an hour or two. Even if he had escaped prior to Waylon's release, that still only gives him at most another two hours. How is everything Gluskin did physically possible?
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* So after the inmates were released, Eddie Gluskin made his way to the Vocational Block and set up shop, fashioned himself a tux (general consensus is that he made it himself), and killed many many many many ''many many'' men. And he didn't just chase victims down and murder them. He dragged each one back to his little torture area where he mutilated and feminized them, including slicing and sewing their chests into breasts. And he dragged each corpse to the gym (all the ones he didn't use as decorations, anyway), where he strung them up on the rope and pulley system he had made. He gained a reputation among the other inmates as The Groom, and they were terrified of him. One would expect his reign of terror had been going on for ''weeks'' at least. But assuming the games take place in real time unless we are explicitly told there is a time jump, he accomplished all of that in the space of an hour or two. Even if he had escaped prior to Waylon's release, that still only gives him at most another two hours. How is everything Gluskin did physically possible?
