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** It didn't cause all the damage, just softened humanity up a bit.
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** If it isn't broke... the Tet first encountered them as a team of Vika and Jack, with Sally as their mission control. This was an effective team, and was therefore replicated as closely as possible. The Tet is consistently unimaginative, it replicates patterns it observes rather than trying more creative solutions.
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* Are we sure that would happen if the moon were destroyed? It can't possible have that great a gravitational effect on the Earth, and besides, it wasn't even GONE, just broken up a bit. Am I missing something here?
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** It could be an efficiency thing. Had the Tet immediately gone and looted Jupiter, or any other planet in the Solar System, humans probably would've started to fight back against it. By going after Earth first it takes out the only resistance immediately and after recharging from Earth, it is free to loot the rest of the planets at it's leisure with no possible interference.
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*** The thing is, it doesn't need weapons. It's in space, right next to a huge, broken-up pile of rocks. It could just sit in orbit and chuck small rocks at the surface and down below all life would cease.
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** Maybe the Tet wasn't built with the ability to create biological weapons, but was built for mass cloning. Really it can only work with what it has, and we have no idea what it was originally made for. And Jack Harper clones don't seem like such a bad idea. It seems to have difficulty providing replacement parts for the drones and it clearly upset when one is damaged, so sending them in as a first wave would be costly. We don't even know if it has weapons besides that, so a direct assault might be infeasible (it seems to have gravity powers or a tractor beam, which might be how it destroyed the moon). Compared to that throwing disposable clones equipped with advanced weaponry at sounds like a great idea to me.
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** Maybe the Tet wasn't built with the ability to create biological weapons, but was built for mass cloning. Really it can only work with what it has, and we have no idea what it was originally made for. And Jack Harper clones don't seem like such a bad idea. It seems to have difficulty providing replacement parts for the drones and it is clearly upset when one is damaged, so sending them in as a first wave would be costly. We don't even know if it has weapons besides that, so a direct assault might be infeasible (it seems to have gravity powers or a tractor beam, which might be how it destroyed the moon). Compared to that throwing disposable clones equipped with advanced weaponry at the earth's armies sounds like a great idea to me.
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** Maybe the Tet wasn't built with the ability to create biological weapons, but was built for mass cloning. Really it can only work with what it has, and we have no idea what it was originally made for. And Jack Harper clones don't seem like such a bad idea. It seems to have difficulty providing replacement parts for the drones and it clearly upset when one is damaged, so sending them in as a first wave would be costly. We don't even know if it has weapons besides that, so a direct assault might be infeasible (it seems to have gravity powers or a tractor beam, which might be how it destroyed the moon). Compared to that throwing disposable clones equipped with advanced weaponry at sounds like a great idea to me.
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** The drones aren't particularly smart. They're great at what they do but as shown by their randomly killing people in front of Jack and their total failure to not be really creepy from the start, they're not very adaptable beyond that. Besides, human clones are smaller, bendier and better at getting inside them for maintenance.
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** It seems convinced by his statement that him and Julia would be a more effective team, and expects him to come back into the fold. Considering that and the rather one dimensional personality of it's mission control personality, it might be good at telling when humans are lying but it really doesn't understand them very well.
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** It's still an AI. It might be limited in ways more organic minds are not, despite it's power.
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** So what? It's none of your business if the Tet chooses/prefers to use clones over automation. As long as it gets the job done, there's nothing stopping the Tet from experimenting with whatever method it wants.
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** There's nothing in the film to say that the Tet hasn't ''already eaten'' all the other planets in the Solar System.
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* In fact, why bother with hydrogen at all - or moving the Tet. If all it just wants is to keep existing and do its thing, a passive orbit and a Dyson swarm around a reasonably large star would be way more energy-efficient.
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* Why doesn't the Tet just destroy the signalling tower with a bomb or a bunch of drones?
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* Why doesn't the Tet just destroy the signalling tower with a bomb or a bunch of drones?
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*** Not to be overly argumentative, but considering the things Tet IS capable of, it's hard to believe. We deployed our first satellite in a time when cars still had fins. Also, it could've just could have relayed it through a signal using the drones.
drones, or even the bubblecopters.
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*** Not to be overly argumentative, but considering the things Tet IS capable of, it's hard to believe. We deployed our first satellite in a time when cars still had fins. Also, it could've just relayed it through the drones.
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** Because it takes less intelligence to hold and shoot a gun rather than keep loads of drones operable? Because the Jacks deteriorate (it's unsubtly implied ALL the Jacks have dreams of Julia, which interferes with their job to some extent) faster when given that intelligence? This all could have been figured out through trial and error.
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** Because it takes less intelligence to hold and shoot a gun rather than keep loads of drones operable? Because the Jacks deteriorate (it's unsubtly implied ALL the Jacks have dreams of Julia, which interferes with their job to some extent) faster when given that intelligence? This all could have been figured out through trial and error.
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** Maybe because it ISN'T that advanced? After all, it couldn't cleanse Jack's memory effectively.
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** Because it takes less intelligence to hold and shoot a gun rather than keep loads of drones operable? Because the Jacks deteriorate (it's unsubtly implied ALL the Jacks have dreams of Julia, which interferes with their job to some extent) faster when given that intelligence? This all could have been figured out through trial and error.
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* Why don't they just use more drones to protect the water-towers? They pretty much seem to use three per grid, when they have hundreds if not thousands sitting idle inside the Tet.
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* In fact, why bother with hydrogen at all - or moving the Tet. If it just wants to keep existing and do its thing, a passive orbit and a Dyson sphere swarm around a reasonably large star would be way more energy-efficient.
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* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they [[HandWave handwave]] it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing ever, and also like it's really just there to set up [[TheReveal The Reveal]], while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
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* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they [[HandWave handwave]] it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing ever, and also like it's really just there to set up [[TheReveal The Reveal]], while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.it.
** Their outfits and voice scramblers probably are just for practical purposes as described rather than actively trying to disguise their true nature, however as stated Jack never got a good look at them up close so he'd seen nothing to disprove the backstory he'd been given. This goes the other way as well - Malcolm Beech describes the first Jacks as “programmed to kill” and they’ve got no reason to assume that the tech Jacks aren’t aware/care they’re fighting humans until they eventually observe Jack 49 showing traces of his original personality.
* The Tet has no stated objective other than to obtain energy to continue its own existence, therefore you’d assume efficiency would be a major factor, so in addition to the above points - why the charade in the first place? As far as we know there was no issue creating and programming a load of Jacks to attack humanity directly so why not simply programme the tech Jacks to happily do their job rather than fabricating a backstory and go to enormous effort to maintain their belief that they’re normal humans acting in humanity’s best interests?
** Their outfits and voice scramblers probably are just for practical purposes as described rather than actively trying to disguise their true nature, however as stated Jack never got a good look at them up close so he'd seen nothing to disprove the backstory he'd been given. This goes the other way as well - Malcolm Beech describes the first Jacks as “programmed to kill” and they’ve got no reason to assume that the tech Jacks aren’t aware/care they’re fighting humans until they eventually observe Jack 49 showing traces of his original personality.
* The Tet has no stated objective other than to obtain energy to continue its own existence, therefore you’d assume efficiency would be a major factor, so in addition to the above points - why the charade in the first place? As far as we know there was no issue creating and programming a load of Jacks to attack humanity directly so why not simply programme the tech Jacks to happily do their job rather than fabricating a backstory and go to enormous effort to maintain their belief that they’re normal humans acting in humanity’s best interests?
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* Jack Harper clones seems like the least effective way to wipe out what's left of humanity. Why don't they just drop more bombs? Or better yet - use a chemical or biological weapon. If they have organic material to make thousands (or however many there were) of clones, it seems like Tet could have just made an advanced virus or something. Or it could have deprived the survivors of clean water... I don't know how they imagine that the energy-production works, but if we assume that they go through hydrogen->deuterium then nobody has to be able to drink it. In fact, they could simply remove the large fresh-water sources first and ruin the rest, before taking care of the ocean water, which we can't drink anyway.
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* Jack Harper clones seems like the least effective way to wipe out what's left of humanity. Why don't they just drop more bombs? Or better yet - use a chemical or biological weapon. If they have organic material to make thousands (or however many there were) of clones, it seems like Tet could have just made an advanced virus or something. Or it could have deprived the survivors of clean water... I don't know how they imagine that the energy-production works, but if we assume that they go through hydrogen->deuterium then nobody has to be able to drink it. In fact, they could simply remove the large fresh-water sources first and ruin the rest, smaller ones, before taking care of the ocean water, which we can't drink anyway.
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* How is the incredibly advanced Tet not able to set up a simple relay satellite to maintain communication globally, instead going into radio-silence for almost half a day, every day? Especially since the control through Tet Sally and Vika seemed so important.
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* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they [[HandWave handwave]] it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing ever, and also like it's really just there to make set up [[TheReveal the reveal]], The Reveal]], while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
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* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they [[HandWave handwave]] it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, thing ever, and also like it's really just there to make [[TheReveal the reveal]], while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
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* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they [[Handwave [[HandWave handwave]] it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make [[TheReveal the reveal]], while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
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* Why is Vika there at all? She just relays information that Jack could get directly from Tet, or directly from the drones, or not at all - see "They literally don't need the clones for anything." Is she just supposed to suppress Jack's rebellious tendencies, keep him company and keep him sedated and complacent with lots of sex, or what? {{Nightmare Fuel}}.
* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they {{handwave}} it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make {{The Reveal}}, while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they {{handwave}} it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make {{The Reveal}}, while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
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* Why is Vika there at all? She just relays information that Jack could get directly from Tet, or directly from the drones, or not at all - see "They literally don't need the clones for anything." Is she just supposed to suppress Jack's rebellious tendencies, keep him company and keep him sedated and complacent with lots of sex, or what? {{Nightmare Fuel}}.
[[NightmareFuel Probably]].
* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they{{handwave}} [[Handwave handwave]] it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make {{The Reveal}}, [[TheReveal the reveal]], while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they
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* Why is the incredibly advanced Tet not able to set up a simple relay satellite to maintain communication globally, instead going into radio-silence for almost half a day, every day? Especially since the control through Tet and Vika seemed so important.
* Why is Vika there at all? Is she just supposed to suppress Jack's rebellious tendencies, keep him company and distract him with sex, or what? She just relays information that Jack could get directly from Tet, or directly from the drones, or not at all - see "They literally don't need the clones for anything." Also, {Nightmare Fuel}.
* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they {handwave} it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make {The Reveal}, while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
* Why is the incredibly advanced Tet not able to set up a simple relay satellite to maintain communication globally, instead going into radio-silence for almost half a day, every day? Especially since the control through Tet and Vika seemed so important.
* Why is Vika there at all? Is she just supposed to suppress Jack's rebellious tendencies, keep him company and distract him with sex, or what? She just relays information that Jack could get directly from Tet, or directly from the drones, or not at all - see "They literally don't need the clones for anything." Also, {Nightmare Fuel}.
* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they {handwave} it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make {The Reveal}, while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
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*Why How is the incredibly advanced Tet not able to set up a simple relay satellite to maintain communication globally, instead going into radio-silence for almost half a day, every day? Especially since the control through Tet and Vika seemed so important.
* Why is Vika there at all?Is she just supposed to suppress Jack's rebellious tendencies, keep him company and distract him with sex, or what? She just relays information that Jack could get directly from Tet, or directly from the drones, or not at all - see "They literally don't need the clones for anything." Also, {Nightmare Fuel}.
Is she just supposed to suppress Jack's rebellious tendencies, keep him company and keep him sedated and complacent with lots of sex, or what? {{Nightmare Fuel}}.
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* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they [handwave] it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make [The Reveal], while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they [handwave] it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make [The Reveal], while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
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{Nightmare Fuel}.
* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they[handwave] {handwave} it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make [The Reveal], {The Reveal}, while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
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* Why is Vika there at all? Is she just supposed to suppress Jack's rebellious tendencies, keep him company and distract him with sex, or what? She just relays information that Jack could get directly from Tet, or directly from the drones, or not at all - see "They literally don't need the clones for anything." Also, [[Nightmare Fuel]].
* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they [[handwave]] it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make [[The Reveal]], while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they [[handwave]] it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make [[The Reveal]], while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
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* Why is Vika there at all? Is she just supposed to suppress Jack's rebellious tendencies, keep him company and distract him with sex, or what? She just relays information that Jack could get directly from Tet, or directly from the drones, or not at all - see "They literally don't need the clones for anything." Also, [[Nightmare Fuel]].
[Nightmare Fuel].
* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they[[handwave]] [handwave] it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make [[The Reveal]], [The Reveal], while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they
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* Jack Harper clones seems like the least effective way to wipe out what's left of humanity. Why don't they just drop more bombs? Or better yet - use a chemical or biological weapon. If they have organic material to make thousands (or however many they were) of clones, it seems like they could've just made an advanced virus or something. Or they could've deprived them of clean water... I don't know how they imagine that the energy-production works, but if we assume that they go through hydrogen->deuterium then nobody has to be able to drink it. In fact, they could simply remove the fresh-water sources first and ruin the rest, before taking care of ocean water, which we can't drink anyway.
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* Jack Harper clones seems like the least effective way to wipe out what's left of humanity. Why don't they just drop more bombs? Or better yet - use a chemical or biological weapon. If they have organic material to make thousands (or however many they there were) of clones, it seems like they could've Tet could have just made an advanced virus or something. Or they could've it could have deprived them the survivors of clean water... I don't know how they imagine that the energy-production works, but if we assume that they go through hydrogen->deuterium then nobody has to be able to drink it. In fact, they could simply remove the large fresh-water sources first and ruin the rest, before taking care of the ocean water, which we can't drink anyway.
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* Why not just pull hydrogen out of Jupiter's atmosphere?
It's easy. You don't need to mess with water. There's more of it there.
We couldn't possibly do anything about it.
It's easy. You don't need to mess with water. There's more of it there.
We couldn't possibly do anything about it.
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* Why not just pull hydrogen out of Jupiter's atmosphere?
atmosphere? It's easy. You don't need to mess with water. There's more of it there.
Wethere, and we couldn't possibly do anything about it.
We
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* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they [[handwave]] it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog!
It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make [[The Reveal]], while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make [[The Reveal]], while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
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* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they [[handwave]] it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog!
dog! It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make [[The Reveal]], while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
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* Jack Harper clones seems like the least effective way to wipe out what's left of humanity. Why don't they just drop more bombs? Or better yet - use a chemical or biological weapon. If they have organic material to make thousands (or however many they were) of clones, it seems like they could've just made an advanced virus or something. Or they could've deprived them of clean water... I don't know how they imagine that the energy-production works, but if we assume that they go through hydrogen->deuterium then nobody has to be able to drink it. In fact, they could simply remove the fresh-water sources first and ruin the rest, before taking care of ocean water, which we can't drink anyway.
* Why not just pull hydrogen out of Jupiter's atmosphere?
It's easy. You don't need to mess with water. There's more of it there.
We couldn't possibly do anything about it.
* They literally do not need the clones for anything. The whole process could very easily be completely automated, especially by something as advanced as Tet.
* Why don't they just use more drones to protect the water-towers? They pretty much seem to use three per grid, when they have hundreds if not thousands sitting idle inside the Tet.
* Why not just place the water-towers in the middle of the atlantic? They don't seem to need ground under them.
* Why not make them submergible? The Scavs couldn't possibly get to them if they were at the bottom of the ocean.
* Why doesn't the Tet just destroy the signalling tower with a bomb or a bunch of clones?
* Why not send drones or other bubble-copters to destroy the Odyssey while it's in orbit? They're capable of space flight...
* Why not just revoke Jack 49's protected status the second he disobeys orders, and have the drones wipe him out? They have plenty of spares...
* Why is the incredibly advanced Tet not able to set up a simple relay satellite to maintain communication globally, instead going into radio-silence for almost half a day, every day? Especially since the control through Tet and Vika seemed so important.
* Why is Vika there at all? Is she just supposed to suppress Jack's rebellious tendencies, keep him company and distract him with sex, or what? She just relays information that Jack could get directly from Tet, or directly from the drones, or not at all - see "They literally don't need the clones for anything." Also, [[Nightmare Fuel]].
* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they [[handwave]] it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog!
It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make [[The Reveal]], while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
* Why not just pull hydrogen out of Jupiter's atmosphere?
It's easy. You don't need to mess with water. There's more of it there.
We couldn't possibly do anything about it.
* They literally do not need the clones for anything. The whole process could very easily be completely automated, especially by something as advanced as Tet.
* Why don't they just use more drones to protect the water-towers? They pretty much seem to use three per grid, when they have hundreds if not thousands sitting idle inside the Tet.
* Why not just place the water-towers in the middle of the atlantic? They don't seem to need ground under them.
* Why not make them submergible? The Scavs couldn't possibly get to them if they were at the bottom of the ocean.
* Why doesn't the Tet just destroy the signalling tower with a bomb or a bunch of clones?
* Why not send drones or other bubble-copters to destroy the Odyssey while it's in orbit? They're capable of space flight...
* Why not just revoke Jack 49's protected status the second he disobeys orders, and have the drones wipe him out? They have plenty of spares...
* Why is the incredibly advanced Tet not able to set up a simple relay satellite to maintain communication globally, instead going into radio-silence for almost half a day, every day? Especially since the control through Tet and Vika seemed so important.
* Why is Vika there at all? Is she just supposed to suppress Jack's rebellious tendencies, keep him company and distract him with sex, or what? She just relays information that Jack could get directly from Tet, or directly from the drones, or not at all - see "They literally don't need the clones for anything." Also, [[Nightmare Fuel]].
* Why would the Scavs hide the fact that they're human if they're trying to get to the Jacks? I know they [[handwave]] it saying that it confuses the drones, but come on - the drones shoot at anything that moves anyway - Jack was even worried that it would shoot the dog!
It seems like the absolutely stupidest thing, and also like it's really just there to make [[The Reveal]], while making no sense at all in-universe. The best thing would of course be to leave Jack messages at downed drones - explaining everything. They could even tell him who he really is and hope he remembers something - and of course, show him that Scavs are HUMAN! If they wanna snap him out of it - that ought to do it.
