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** [=NaruHina=] is very doubtful. Hinata is effectively a filler character, who could be removed without messing up the plot. She also seems to have changed very little over the timeskip, because she's a stock character: the painfully shy girl. Now Sakura couldn't be removed, and developed quite a lot. Also, Naruto clearly still likes Sakura, who seems to have warmed up quite a lot towards him.
** [=SasuNaru=] at this point looks near impossible. I mean, Sasuke is delving deeper and deeper into darkness. Also Sasuke and Sakura tried to kill each other. More than that, Sakura started that for Naruto's sake. Note also that Sasuke didn't have the slightest doubt when he tried to kill her. That seems like a much bigger problem than Sakura's confession not working.
Also, [=NaruHina=] or [=SasuNaru=] would go against a pattern in the series: That this generation is like the old one, but better. Naruto surpassed Jiyaiya both in achievements and personality. Sakura seems on the way to surpass Tsunade. Sasuke surpassed and defeated Orochimaru. The next logical thing would be Naruto succeeding in a relationship with Sakura (where Jiyaiya failed with Tsunade), and either redeem or defeat Sasuke.
** [=SasuNaru=] at this point looks near impossible. I mean, Sasuke is delving deeper and deeper into darkness. Also Sasuke and Sakura tried to kill each other. More than that, Sakura started that for Naruto's sake. Note also that Sasuke didn't have the slightest doubt when he tried to kill her. That seems like a much bigger problem than Sakura's confession not working.
Also, [=NaruHina=] or [=SasuNaru=] would go against a pattern in the series: That this generation is like the old one, but better. Naruto surpassed Jiyaiya both in achievements and personality. Sakura seems on the way to surpass Tsunade. Sasuke surpassed and defeated Orochimaru. The next logical thing would be Naruto succeeding in a relationship with Sakura (where Jiyaiya failed with Tsunade), and either redeem or defeat Sasuke.
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** This brings up an entirely new question: Why was Itachi in Akatsuki in the first place? Granted, even though he killed off the Uchiha clan under direct orders from the Council, he couldn't very well stay in the village once the truth came out. Having indebted himself to Madara, it only seems logical that Madara would have called in that chip by having Itachi become his [[TheDragon Dragon]] to a certain degree in Akatsuki. But once he got there, was has he been doing for the past 6-7 years? There's been no real indication that he's tried to go against Akatsuki's plans. He hasn't spared anybody he's been directed to go after by either Pain or Madara, with the ''very'' possible exception of retreating from Jiraiya while trying to capture Naruto instead of forcing the issue. In a very real sense, Itachi was nothing but a Konoha ninja who had completed a mission that wouldn't let him remain in the village after its completion. What if he had captured Naruto at some point? Would he have really turned him over for the Kyuubi to be extracted? Would he have been that [[GoneNative far under Akatsuki's sway]]? Madara told Sasuke that Itachi was a loyal Konoha ninja and he knew that Itachi was working at cross purposes against him to some degree, but how? And to what end? If Itachi were willing to hand over Naruto and the other tailed beasts without a fight, where was his master plan behind doing so? Did he believe that old age would inflict greater maladies upon Madara than anything he could commit?
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* So...Kabuto was able to preform Edo Tensei through his 'puppets' and use the corpses on the battlefield to summon the old Seven Swordsman of the Mist at the same time. Essentially...if any of the Mooks fall in battle, someone extremely powerful will be resurrected in their place on Akatsuki's side. Similar to every fight Sasuke has ever been into, Kishimoto seems to have written himself into a corner that only a massive DuesExMachina can solve. Especially considering that the Ninja forces don't seem to be doing very well, even though most of the zombies (And the most powerful) haven't even entered the battle yet.
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** For the same reasons people think NaruHina or SasuNaru is going to be canon, probably. I wish people realised this bloody manga is not about pairings. At the end of the day, only Kishimoto knows what's going to happen, and he hasn't said anything about who Naruto will or will not end up with. For all we know, Naruto could end up being happily single.
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** For the same reasons people think NaruHina [=NaruHina=] or SasuNaru [=SasuNaru=] is going to be canon, probably. I wish people realised this bloody manga is not about pairings. At the end of the day, only Kishimoto knows what's going to happen, and he hasn't said anything about who Naruto will or will not end up with. For all we know, Naruto could end up being happily single.
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* Anyone else think the Naruto World is kind of . . . weird? They have all kinds of modern goods and services, but no transportation infrastructure to support it aside from animal-drawn carts so far as we've seen. Ninja are subservient to Feudal Lords, even though ninja have no counter except other ninja and could presumably rule the territories they dwell in outright. I get that it's a character-centered story, but the world does seem kind of off at times.
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* Didn't it just Just Bug You that Naruto and Sakura during Part II post time-skip continue to act as though Sasuke needs to be "rescued" from Orochimaru? Sure, it means from his own self, too, but seriously, they act like Sasuke can't think or act for himself. The Cursed Seal he received gives him a power-boost, but Sasuke has always acted on his own. Don't they realize that no means "no", or rather, in Sasuke's terms "Hell no, I'm not going back to Konoha EVER, I'm going to get power, and you can't stop me!"? And after defeating Orochimaru, they think that Sasuke will just go back to Konoha, just like that? Who dropped the IdiotBall?
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As far as tsukuyomi being used on Kakashi, one has to remember he was standing right next to Kisame, an akatsuki member who would have probably had a problem with him looking at Kakashi and saying "well, I suppose we can just let you take us in". Moreover, even Itachi would have problems using his regular genjutsu on Kakashi, given that he had the sharingan to copy and see most of them. after that, he basically could use tsukuyomi, or bring out the ninjutsu and do real harm. He could have tried to escape, but between Kakashi's already good tracking ability and the fact his summons were specialized for tracking, it wouldn't have been possible. Tsukuyomi was pretty much the only way to bring Kakashi down without inflicting physical damage.
As far as that whole arc foreshadowing the akatsuki, my reasoning for his acting like a dick is "If I look like enough of an asshole, he'll think of revenge, get stronger, and be untouchable."
Of course, the whole "sawing off naruto's legs" thing was a little wrong, as well as some of his earlier and later actions, but he is rather Sasuke-centric. he appeared to be mostly focused on sasuke the entire series, and how much he cared about the rest of konoha is somewhat ambiguous.
As far as that whole arc foreshadowing the akatsuki, my reasoning for his acting like a dick is "If I look like enough of an asshole, he'll think of revenge, get stronger, and be untouchable."
Of course, the whole "sawing off naruto's legs" thing was a little wrong, as well as some of his earlier and later actions, but he is rather Sasuke-centric. he appeared to be mostly focused on sasuke the entire series, and how much he cared about the rest of konoha is somewhat ambiguous.
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** While it may be the case, first cousin relationships are much more acceptable in Japan (that is to say, acceptable at all, at least compared to Western norms). Though this likely only factors in when reading fanfics or doujinshi by Japanese authors.
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** It isn't really typical teleportation; He simply has the ability to move things in and out of a pocket dimension. We've seen him sucking himself into it, but it seems that his mask is necessary in order to move things in and out. It may be that if he sucks himself into it, he can only exit at points that he prepared beforehand, which would severely limit its potential.
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** It's strongly implied that while Zetsu is good at spying and such, he is terrible at actual combat. If a Jinchuuriki woke up while he was trying to kidnap him, he would definitely lose the ensuing fight. Simply having him spy so that they can send in other Akatsuki members when the Jinchuuriki is alone is a much safer bet.
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* Zetsu can travel great distances and sneak up on people so why isn't he used as an assasin or try abduct Kyubi whilst they sleep?
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* Has no one discussed the fact that he can teleport? I know that is a standard plot device to allow the villain to escape after they've been beaten; VillainExitStageLeft. But man, he could have accompolished so much with that kind of ability without anyone being able to stop him. He could teleport into Konoha and plant a couple of million mines as he can also go underground, and everyone would be none the wiser or powerless to stop him. He could abduct Naruto or just about anyone by teleporting close and then sneaking up on them. Heck he could assasinate kage and other ninja that way.
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** The Konoha elders convinced a guy to kill his best friend and his family, and showed no remorse killing women or children. All they did was end up strengthening Akatsuki and allow more innocent people to die. Bottom line? The whole thing is just one massive {{Wall Banger}}. It's just bad writing.
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** The Konoha elders convinced a guy to kill his best friend and his family, and showed no remorse killing women or children. All they did was end up strengthening Akatsuki and allow more innocent people to die. Bottom line? The whole thing is just one massive {{Wall Banger}}.wall banger. It's just bad writing.
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** For the same reasons people think NaruHina or SasuNaru is going to be canon, probably. I wish people realised this bloody manga is not about pairings, and I can't be the only person who's sick of pairing crap being rammed down my throat. At the end of the day, only Kishimoto knows what's going to happen, and he hasn't said anything about who Naruto will or will not end up with. For all we know, Naruto could end up being happily single.
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** For the same reasons people think NaruHina or SasuNaru is going to be canon, probably. I wish people realised this bloody manga is not about pairings, and I can't be the only person who's sick of pairing crap being rammed down my throat.pairings. At the end of the day, only Kishimoto knows what's going to happen, and he hasn't said anything about who Naruto will or will not end up with. For all we know, Naruto could end up being happily single.
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** For the same reasons people think NaruHina or SasuNaru is going to be canon, probably. I wish people realised this bloody manga is not about pairings. At the end of the day, only Kishimoto knows what's going to happen. For all we know, Naruto could end up being happily single.
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** For the same reasons people think NaruHina or SasuNaru is going to be canon, probably. I wish people realised this bloody manga is not about pairings. pairings, and I can't be the only person who's sick of pairing crap being rammed down my throat. At the end of the day, only Kishimoto knows what's going to happen.happen, and he hasn't said anything about who Naruto will or will not end up with. For all we know, Naruto could end up being happily single.
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** For the same reasons people think NaruHina or SasuNaru is going to be canon, probably. I wish people realised this bloody manga is not about pairings. At the end of the day, only Kishimoto knows what's going to happen. For all we know, Naruto could end up being happily single.
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*** Also, we ''can'' make guesses as to how it works, because we ''do'' have something to work off of. Remember that jutsu Itachi and Kisame used to make dopplegangers of themselves? The description of how it works is ''very'' similar to Edo Tensei, enough so that we can assume that they work on the same principles.
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*** And now we have at least one piece of evidence supporting the above: In a recent chapter, Resurrected!Kimimaro says he can't fail because "Orochimaru's chakra is flowing through [him]." This implies that there is ''some'' sort of chakra investment on the part of the user, though presumably most of the chakra still comes from the living person used in the ritual.
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*** It's possible that you need more than just the ritual we see on-screen to use Hidan's ability. Maybe you need to do a different ritual to give yourself the ability, and then it lies dormant until you use the battle ritual to activate it again.
*** The above person was simply wondering why Orochimaru was jealous of not having a technique that he should be able to figure out himself. And yes, it does shorten lifespan, but it's also a jutsu -- and Orochimaru wants to learn every jutsu, regardless of whether he'll use it or not (Because he can use that knowledge to invent new jutsu). Also, even if it does shorten life, his ability to body-swap means that that isn't as much of a drawback for him as it is for Tsunade. He just wouldn't look into it as a possible method of life-extension.
** As for Kakuzu, it may be that his unique chakra circulatory system makes it impossible for the body-stealing technique to work on him at all. Also, a big reason Orochimaru went for body-stealing is because having an Uchiha's body would allow him to learn any jutsu ''just by looking at it''.
** As for Kakuzu, it may be that his unique chakra circulatory system makes it impossible for the body-stealing technique to work on him at all. Also, a big reason Orochimaru went for body-stealing is because having an Uchiha's body would allow him to learn any jutsu ''just by looking at it''.
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* Karin's "chakra radar" (the official name is "Mind's Eye of the Kagura" in case you wanted to know) being ninjutsu (as stated [[AllThereInTheManual databooks]]) brings up all kinds of issues: if that ability is how she detects chakra and was something she had to learn instead of some sort of inherit ability, how did she detect the people coming to attack her village, thus avoiding death and gaining Orochimaru's interest when there was almost no chance she could have any previous training with chakra?
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** I just thought that it was a jutsu that can only be used by "sensor-type" ninja, and that her inherent sensor abilities were already strong enough at a young age for her to do all those things.
** And in any case, it may just be a simple matter of Sasuke knowing where he is, and deciding that there was no reason ''not'' to grab him just in case. And maybe he thought he could use him to give his other teammates curse seals or something.
*** Furthermore, it's implied that him having that is what allowed him to [[spoiler: create the army of white Zetsus, and possibly Zetsu himself]], which means that it may actually be one of the most useful tools at his disposal.
** It's possible that they used to be parasites, but ''stopped'' being parasites once the Aburame got their hands on them. It's strongly implied that the Aburame clan's inherent power has to do with ''all'' bugs, not just the ones they use[[hottip:*: The general impression that I got was that they could communicate with bugs, but couldn't control them, meaning there had to be something in it for the bugs.]], which would mean that they are the only ones who could use them like that -- meaning that, outside of the fire country, they actually ''are'' parasites.
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** Remember, the Aburame's corpse was right there. Maybe the bugs weren't zombified, but simply moved from the corpse to the new host.
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** because not everyone reads the things the author says, and the events of Chapter 469 don't ''actually'' sink the ship, especially if you have shipping goggles on.
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** I got the impression that Madara thought that explaining his plan and how it would result in world peace might actually sway one of the Kage over to his side, which would be enough of an advantage to be worth revealing his plan. Obviously, it didn't work out that way.
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*** I guess this is solid Fridge Logic. You never hear anything about Madara or Itachi or Sasuke removing their eyes. As little sense as it makes if we're talking physics I'd always thought there was some jutsu or process that combined your eyes with those of your brother. Which is why it has to be family. It needs to be genetically similar enough to fool your body.
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**Yes, genetically, they are half-siblings. Makes all that shipping really squicky doesn't it?
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* Why do so many people say that NaruSaku is going to be or is canon? Even [[WordOfGod Kishimoto]] was irritated with the crazy shippers and [[TakeThat took a shot at them]] in Chapter 469. And yet, there are still many who argue that Sakura loves Naruto when it is plain that the one she loves is Sasuke, and put up the flimsiest arguments that the author hiimself had used in said chapter. Oh, and Sakura is a very POOR comparison to Kushina. Her expy happens to be none other than her son, who just inherited his father's blond hair and blue eyes. Kishimoto said himself that he doesn't like main guy/main girl pairings, so why would Naruto and Sakura get together?
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** Edo Tensei requires a '''living''' sacrifice to act as a vessel for the revived soul. He can't use corpses for it. More likely, the Seven Swordsman were revived en massse with the rest of the guys and simply summoned to the battlefield. Remember how Deidara was recalled from the fight with Oonoki, the coffin came up and took him from behind.
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** Madara personally reminds me of the [[{{Hellsing}} General]].Major]]. He likes combat and warfare, even if it's not a good idea for the long run. What, you think he wrote down, 'Wear a swirly mask and act like an idiot with ADHD for a little while' because it was a brilliant strategy?
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**that explanation was given after the complaint had been made by at least a week. So, while that bugs me less, I am mildly suspicious that [[{{Wild Mass Guessing}} Kishi reads Tvtropes.]]
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