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* Where did Celestia and Luna come from if not in this story?
** Well...it's not like we had any idea before this episode either. We know they exist and that they are literally the union of all three races thus deities. That's all.
** The unified Equestria banner seen at the end indicates that they already existed at that time and were at least known of by the ponies even if they didn't live among them then. It's possible that they date back to before pony history began.
*** The flag itself might just be a modern prop for use in the play (i.e. a modern Equestrian flag to make it clear to the audience that Equestria was founded) rather than a historically accurate version of the flag that was actually planted. Note that in that scene, the backdrop is clearly painted. That whole scene is a part of the play...not a part of the history.
*** Luna and Celestia could have been there for this and similarly, Discord could have already been in charge of Equestria. Not knowing the time frame doesn't help, but it should be pointed out that the ponies seemed to be saved by unicorn magic acting out of order.
** About 95% of the above can pretty much be explained by the fact it's a play and thus some details of the actual events were likely left out for times sake. Everypony knows Celestia and Luna are the ruler, so that'd be a logical part to skip in the play if a part ''had'' to be skipped.
** Well...it's not like we had any idea before this episode either. We know they exist and that they are literally the union of all three races thus deities. That's all.
** The unified Equestria banner seen at the end indicates that they already existed at that time and were at least known of by the ponies even if they didn't live among them then. It's possible that they date back to before pony history began.
*** The flag itself might just be a modern prop for use in the play (i.e. a modern Equestrian flag to make it clear to the audience that Equestria was founded) rather than a historically accurate version of the flag that was actually planted. Note that in that scene, the backdrop is clearly painted. That whole scene is a part of the play...not a part of the history.
*** Luna and Celestia could have been there for this and similarly, Discord could have already been in charge of Equestria. Not knowing the time frame doesn't help, but it should be pointed out that the ponies seemed to be saved by unicorn magic acting out of order.
** About 95% of the above can pretty much be explained by the fact it's a play and thus some details of the actual events were likely left out for times sake. Everypony knows Celestia and Luna are the ruler, so that'd be a logical part to skip in the play if a part ''had'' to be skipped.
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*** Perhaps before there was no interbreeding between the pony tribes (they did not get along). But once they started working together, mixing of the lines likely happened, and lo and behold, the first alicorn was born.
* If the Unicorns were dealing with the whole day/night thing before Celestia and Luna came along, where did they even get the idea?
** It's possible that it's been forgotten among the Unicorns since Princess Celestia and Luna have been doing it themselves for over 1000 years.
** From the opening scene of ''Friendship is Magic's'' very first episode, Princess Celestia uses "Unicorn powers to raise the sun at dawn." The Hearth's Warming Eve play implies that the pre-Princess Unicorns split the effort of the task amongst themselves.
** The Unicorn's sun-raising magic might have been "divine magic" as they say in [[TabletopGames roleplaying games]]; they were a priest-class as well as a mage-class (social class...not character class) who invoked the Princesses to move the sun and moon. Priests, warriors and farmers also happen to be an old stereotypical division of society…Later, when Discord turned up, Luna and Celestia took physical form, descended to Dirtville and defeated him.
** Considering that Luna knew Star Swirl the Bearded, Clover's mentor, it's possible that day/night powers originated with the princesses and passed to the historical Unicorns through Luna and Star Swirl's friendship.
* If the Unicorns were dealing with the whole day/night thing before Celestia and Luna came along, where did they even get the idea?
** It's possible that it's been forgotten among the Unicorns since Princess Celestia and Luna have been doing it themselves for over 1000 years.
** From the opening scene of ''Friendship is Magic's'' very first episode, Princess Celestia uses "Unicorn powers to raise the sun at dawn." The Hearth's Warming Eve play implies that the pre-Princess Unicorns split the effort of the task amongst themselves.
** The Unicorn's sun-raising magic might have been "divine magic" as they say in [[TabletopGames roleplaying games]]; they were a priest-class as well as a mage-class (social class...not character class) who invoked the Princesses to move the sun and moon. Priests, warriors and farmers also happen to be an old stereotypical division of society…Later, when Discord turned up, Luna and Celestia took physical form, descended to Dirtville and defeated him.
** Considering that Luna knew Star Swirl the Bearded, Clover's mentor, it's possible that day/night powers originated with the princesses and passed to the historical Unicorns through Luna and Star Swirl's friendship.
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* Wait one cotton-pickin' minute. Wendigos feed on hostility and hatred, right? Then what good is a frozen pony to them? Why would they neutralize their only source of food? Further this just teaches the ponies to avoid hostility in future which is counterproductive for the Wendigos!
** Their goal like they did with the three leaders was to freeze them in a state of hatred, [[AndIMustScream never dying but constantly providing them with a limitless food supply.]] This is why ''not'' explaining their motives in detail makes them ''much'' scarier.
** Alternatively the Wendigos could simply move on to other ponies once they've "finished" this meal. They might not expect to feed on the same one group's hatred forever any more than we expect to feed on the same one chicken forever.
*** The difference is that we literally can't feed on the same chicken forever while the Wendigos have the choice. Why wouldn't they just take the easiest path? Surely it's much easier to feed off the same group of ponies than to move around looking for fresh meat all the time.
** The Wendigos seem to be a force of nature. They don't plan for the future; they just freeze everything because that is what their instincts tell them to do. Even if it would end up harming them in the end, they are either not sentient enough to care or don't have enough free will to stop.
** Their goal like they did with the three leaders was to freeze them in a state of hatred, [[AndIMustScream never dying but constantly providing them with a limitless food supply.]] This is why ''not'' explaining their motives in detail makes them ''much'' scarier.
** Alternatively the Wendigos could simply move on to other ponies once they've "finished" this meal. They might not expect to feed on the same one group's hatred forever any more than we expect to feed on the same one chicken forever.
*** The difference is that we literally can't feed on the same chicken forever while the Wendigos have the choice. Why wouldn't they just take the easiest path? Surely it's much easier to feed off the same group of ponies than to move around looking for fresh meat all the time.
** The Wendigos seem to be a force of nature. They don't plan for the future; they just freeze everything because that is what their instincts tell them to do. Even if it would end up harming them in the end, they are either not sentient enough to care or don't have enough free will to stop.
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* In the intro, Twilight points out an "8 foot tall candy cane" which is the first real measurement (outside of time) on the show and of course this has sent a few fans to figure out the heights of the various ponies now that we have this measurement. But a larger question to ask is: where did they get this word/measurement? Historically we had "foot" based on the measure of that part of a human body but of course ponies lack this. (Of course one has to recognize that it makes no sense for the writers to introduce a fact measurement term and try to force the young audience to understand that; "8 foot" is a easy measurement to understand.)
** [[EpilepticTrees The Diamond Dogs?]]
** TranslationConvention.
** They know what feet are despite not having them; I mean, in "Owl's Well That Ends Well", Twilight explicitly mentions "[Spike's] ketchup-covered feet" as to how Owlowiscious and she were able to find Spike after he ran away. So possibly they used another creature's feet as reference for their measurements?
** Horses have feet. They've got one big toe which we call a hoof. Their definition of a foot (the measurement of length) would probably be different to ours though.
** A common FanFiction trope is to refer to 'hooves' or 'trots'. Or just junk it all and go with 'metres'.
* Princess Platinum seems to be wearing an ermine cape. Wonder what it is actually made of…
** Magic-made synthetics? Course they might've not been so nice to animals back then…
** Or they are pragmatic enough to for instance skin ermine that have died of natural causes, take whatever else is of utility to ponies from the body and feed the rest to the buzzing buzzards and other scavengers.
** Or being a ruler, an elitist enough to ride one of her subjects (and thus willing to have lots of magic wasted on her appearance) and an Unicorn, the cape may be made of living ermine in much the same way as [[spoiler: Luna]] wore a cloak made out of [[spoiler:bats]].
** May also be simple the prop that has it (and made by modern pony day synthetic fur) and thus that's how we see it in the "historical" parts.
** It could simply be actual ermine. Not all {{herbivores are friendly}} (no offense, Fluttershy).
* Considering the play depicts the events more than a thousand years before Twilight and her friends were born you'd expect the characters in it to speak a bit differently, using words like "thou" and "thee". It has already been established in Luna Eclipsed that the language ponies use wasn't always like modern English.
** [[TranslationConvention Perhaps for the audience's sake]]?
*** Could be true for the pony audience who just watch the actors playing on stage. However for us most of the play appears in some form of flashback meaning that using at least some of Old/Middle English words would seem logical.
*** The fan chronology suggests that Discord will rule sometime after the founding of Equestria followed by Celestia and Luna defeating him. The Royal Canterlot Voice-style may not have actually existed until the point that the sisters take over and formalize a monarchy-like system.
*** While it's true that The Royal Canterlot Voice may not have existed during the time of events depicted in play, the language could still be (and most likely was) very different. By logic it should have even more old words than the language Luna was speaking with in Luna Eclipsed.
*** By logic the language should be completely incomprehensible to anyone who isn't an English major. Both the show's writers and the Mane Six probably decided to use modern English to make it easier to follow for their respective audiences.
*** Exactly. In fact, one could also argue that three separate pony tribes would each have their own language...yet what language is used in ''Theatre/JesusChristSuperstar''? 'Israel 4 BC had no mass communication ... '
* Hang on; Pinkie Pie openly calls attention to the fact that the world is round. So...how do the Unicorns (and later the Princesses) make the sun and moon "rise" and "set"?
** She says it's round. That doesn't mean it orbits the Sun.
*** It's not the Earth orbiting the Sun that creates day and night. It's the spinning of the Earth.
** Perhaps they raise the sun by rotating the planet.
** You do remember that we're talking about [[CloudCuckooLander somepony who was]] [[MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext wearing a hole-riddled map on her face]], right? And who constantly breaks and leans on the fourth wall?
* So when Princess Platinum (Rarity) rides Clover the Clever (Twilight Sparkle) across the stream, why the hell was Clover wearing a bridle? Besides, bridles are pretty modern (Applejack hitches one up on Rainbow in 'Bridle Gossip'). Call it a little anachronism in the play that a modern bridle would be shown in ancient times.
* Although possible, it seems odd that all three of the leaders at the time ''and'' all three of their assistants would be female. Might there have been some CrossCasting going on? 'Princess' Platinum is the only character who's explicitly female; the others are all variously gender-neutral. Commander Hurricane in particular seems mighty militaristic and aggressive, although perhaps no more so than Rainbow herself. And some of the interactions between Platinum and Clover take on a slightly different tone if you suppose Star Swirl the Bearded's apprentice may have been male.
** Private pansy refers to Commander Hurricane as "her".
** Fans have speculated that Equestria is a matriarchy by tradition. If that's true, then it would make sense for all the significant historical figures to be mares. If there was a real-world historical story with three political leaders and their immediate assistants and all of them were men, you wouldn't question it too much, would you? That's just how things were. Though I don't disagree that any of them could also be crossplaying, but there's no reason to assume.
** As pointed out above, it could also be that the characters in the play didn't represent just one person, but rather groups within the tribes. "Princess Platinum" could be short hand for the unicorn nobility, "Commander Hurricane" for the Pegasus Military Brass, and "Chancelor Puddinghead" as the Earth Pony Government, while Clever Clover, Smart Cookie, and Private Pansy were stand ins for the scholars, farmers, and soldiers respectively. Since they're just ideas, even if they're named after real people(as Clever Clover probably was), it doesn't exactly matter who was cast as them. The play wouldn't have been largely affected if Princess Platinum had been Prince Platinum.
*** I think it varies throughout the play, actually. I don't doubt that when the ponies first meet up to try to solve the problem, the characters are representing individual ponies, but when they set out to Equestria? I highly doubt 6 ponies are the ancestors of every single pony in Equestria. ( for one thing, assuming Starswirl was still around, I doubt Clover the Clever would have left him behind)
** [[EpilepticTrees The Diamond Dogs?]]
** TranslationConvention.
** They know what feet are despite not having them; I mean, in "Owl's Well That Ends Well", Twilight explicitly mentions "[Spike's] ketchup-covered feet" as to how Owlowiscious and she were able to find Spike after he ran away. So possibly they used another creature's feet as reference for their measurements?
** Horses have feet. They've got one big toe which we call a hoof. Their definition of a foot (the measurement of length) would probably be different to ours though.
** A common FanFiction trope is to refer to 'hooves' or 'trots'. Or just junk it all and go with 'metres'.
* Princess Platinum seems to be wearing an ermine cape. Wonder what it is actually made of…
** Magic-made synthetics? Course they might've not been so nice to animals back then…
** Or they are pragmatic enough to for instance skin ermine that have died of natural causes, take whatever else is of utility to ponies from the body and feed the rest to the buzzing buzzards and other scavengers.
** Or being a ruler, an elitist enough to ride one of her subjects (and thus willing to have lots of magic wasted on her appearance) and an Unicorn, the cape may be made of living ermine in much the same way as [[spoiler: Luna]] wore a cloak made out of [[spoiler:bats]].
** May also be simple the prop that has it (and made by modern pony day synthetic fur) and thus that's how we see it in the "historical" parts.
** It could simply be actual ermine. Not all {{herbivores are friendly}} (no offense, Fluttershy).
* Considering the play depicts the events more than a thousand years before Twilight and her friends were born you'd expect the characters in it to speak a bit differently, using words like "thou" and "thee". It has already been established in Luna Eclipsed that the language ponies use wasn't always like modern English.
** [[TranslationConvention Perhaps for the audience's sake]]?
*** Could be true for the pony audience who just watch the actors playing on stage. However for us most of the play appears in some form of flashback meaning that using at least some of Old/Middle English words would seem logical.
*** The fan chronology suggests that Discord will rule sometime after the founding of Equestria followed by Celestia and Luna defeating him. The Royal Canterlot Voice-style may not have actually existed until the point that the sisters take over and formalize a monarchy-like system.
*** While it's true that The Royal Canterlot Voice may not have existed during the time of events depicted in play, the language could still be (and most likely was) very different. By logic it should have even more old words than the language Luna was speaking with in Luna Eclipsed.
*** By logic the language should be completely incomprehensible to anyone who isn't an English major. Both the show's writers and the Mane Six probably decided to use modern English to make it easier to follow for their respective audiences.
*** Exactly. In fact, one could also argue that three separate pony tribes would each have their own language...yet what language is used in ''Theatre/JesusChristSuperstar''? 'Israel 4 BC had no mass communication ... '
* Hang on; Pinkie Pie openly calls attention to the fact that the world is round. So...how do the Unicorns (and later the Princesses) make the sun and moon "rise" and "set"?
** She says it's round. That doesn't mean it orbits the Sun.
*** It's not the Earth orbiting the Sun that creates day and night. It's the spinning of the Earth.
** Perhaps they raise the sun by rotating the planet.
** You do remember that we're talking about [[CloudCuckooLander somepony who was]] [[MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext wearing a hole-riddled map on her face]], right? And who constantly breaks and leans on the fourth wall?
* So when Princess Platinum (Rarity) rides Clover the Clever (Twilight Sparkle) across the stream, why the hell was Clover wearing a bridle? Besides, bridles are pretty modern (Applejack hitches one up on Rainbow in 'Bridle Gossip'). Call it a little anachronism in the play that a modern bridle would be shown in ancient times.
* Although possible, it seems odd that all three of the leaders at the time ''and'' all three of their assistants would be female. Might there have been some CrossCasting going on? 'Princess' Platinum is the only character who's explicitly female; the others are all variously gender-neutral. Commander Hurricane in particular seems mighty militaristic and aggressive, although perhaps no more so than Rainbow herself. And some of the interactions between Platinum and Clover take on a slightly different tone if you suppose Star Swirl the Bearded's apprentice may have been male.
** Private pansy refers to Commander Hurricane as "her".
** Fans have speculated that Equestria is a matriarchy by tradition. If that's true, then it would make sense for all the significant historical figures to be mares. If there was a real-world historical story with three political leaders and their immediate assistants and all of them were men, you wouldn't question it too much, would you? That's just how things were. Though I don't disagree that any of them could also be crossplaying, but there's no reason to assume.
** As pointed out above, it could also be that the characters in the play didn't represent just one person, but rather groups within the tribes. "Princess Platinum" could be short hand for the unicorn nobility, "Commander Hurricane" for the Pegasus Military Brass, and "Chancelor Puddinghead" as the Earth Pony Government, while Clever Clover, Smart Cookie, and Private Pansy were stand ins for the scholars, farmers, and soldiers respectively. Since they're just ideas, even if they're named after real people(as Clever Clover probably was), it doesn't exactly matter who was cast as them. The play wouldn't have been largely affected if Princess Platinum had been Prince Platinum.
*** I think it varies throughout the play, actually. I don't doubt that when the ponies first meet up to try to solve the problem, the characters are representing individual ponies, but when they set out to Equestria? I highly doubt 6 ponies are the ancestors of every single pony in Equestria. ( for one thing, assuming Starswirl was still around, I doubt Clover the Clever would have left him behind)
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*** Luna never said she knew Starswirl personally. She simply recognized the costume and complimented its accuracy.
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* So where were the Alicorns; did they exist prior to these events?
** Considering Equestria isn't ruled by Discord when the ponies find it, it's possible the Princesses had already dealt with Discord and simply hadn't established their rule over what would become Equestria yet meaning the play is set between Discord's downfall and the establishment of Celestia and Luna's rule.
*** That creates a different problem however; the Pegasi, Unicorns and Earth Ponies founded Equestria on their own without the help of Alicorns; then Alicorns came out of nowhere and are now the rulers.
*** According to one of the books, Celestia and Luna were asked to become the rulers of Equestria because alicorns represent all three types of ponies. They have the wing and flying magic of the pegasi, they have the heartiness and earth magic of the earth ponies, and the horns with magical abilities like unicorns.
*** However if Celestia and Luna are really goddesses, then it's possible they started out as symbols of pony unity and then became [[PhysicalGod Physical Gods]] due to the ponies' [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve belief in them]].
*** [[TakeAThirdOption OR]] Alicorns are an odd interbreeding. [[WordOfGod Faust]] has claimed that Alicorns are a mix of all three. (LegoGenetics may be to blame.)
*** OR Discord turned two ponies into alicorns because he though the ideal of him enslaving the ponies' sybloms of unity was funny.
*** Alternatively Discord appeared after they founded Equestria. Still no explanation of the Alicorn race.
*** It's possible that there is no such thing as an "Alicorn race." Possibly Celestia and Luna are just very special ponies.
*** It is stated by Spike at the beginning of the play that it took place long before the Rule of Celestia.
*** Which gives a bit of FridgeHorror as it means after all this, Discord just showed up and conquered Equestria.
*** Just because the three races of ponies worked together to found Equestria doesn't mean years of disdain for each other suddenly evaporates. Makes perfect sense that Discord would be able to take advantage of that later.
*** Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see the problem here. The Alicorns are clearly considered deities in Equestria. The three tribes formed Equestria and their harmonious nature attracted Discord. He conquered the land and ruled over it until the Alicorns appeared (possibly from the heavens) and defeated him with the Elements of Harmony. Out of gratitude, the three pony tribes made the Alicorns their leaders. What's the issue?
*** "Clearly," nothing. There is nothing whatsoever in the show to support the alicorns being gods, except MAYBE a few rare oaths taken in Celestia's name (which could easily be seen as oath's taken in ''royalty's'' name).
** Considering Equestria isn't ruled by Discord when the ponies find it, it's possible the Princesses had already dealt with Discord and simply hadn't established their rule over what would become Equestria yet meaning the play is set between Discord's downfall and the establishment of Celestia and Luna's rule.
*** That creates a different problem however; the Pegasi, Unicorns and Earth Ponies founded Equestria on their own without the help of Alicorns; then Alicorns came out of nowhere and are now the rulers.
*** According to one of the books, Celestia and Luna were asked to become the rulers of Equestria because alicorns represent all three types of ponies. They have the wing and flying magic of the pegasi, they have the heartiness and earth magic of the earth ponies, and the horns with magical abilities like unicorns.
*** However if Celestia and Luna are really goddesses, then it's possible they started out as symbols of pony unity and then became [[PhysicalGod Physical Gods]] due to the ponies' [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve belief in them]].
*** [[TakeAThirdOption OR]] Alicorns are an odd interbreeding. [[WordOfGod Faust]] has claimed that Alicorns are a mix of all three. (LegoGenetics may be to blame.)
*** OR Discord turned two ponies into alicorns because he though the ideal of him enslaving the ponies' sybloms of unity was funny.
*** Alternatively Discord appeared after they founded Equestria. Still no explanation of the Alicorn race.
*** It's possible that there is no such thing as an "Alicorn race." Possibly Celestia and Luna are just very special ponies.
*** It is stated by Spike at the beginning of the play that it took place long before the Rule of Celestia.
*** Which gives a bit of FridgeHorror as it means after all this, Discord just showed up and conquered Equestria.
*** Just because the three races of ponies worked together to found Equestria doesn't mean years of disdain for each other suddenly evaporates. Makes perfect sense that Discord would be able to take advantage of that later.
*** Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see the problem here. The Alicorns are clearly considered deities in Equestria. The three tribes formed Equestria and their harmonious nature attracted Discord. He conquered the land and ruled over it until the Alicorns appeared (possibly from the heavens) and defeated him with the Elements of Harmony. Out of gratitude, the three pony tribes made the Alicorns their leaders. What's the issue?
*** "Clearly," nothing. There is nothing whatsoever in the show to support the alicorns being gods, except MAYBE a few rare oaths taken in Celestia's name (which could easily be seen as oath's taken in ''royalty's'' name).
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** There's one obvious answer, but I'm not going there.
*** Fortunately or not, I am. Roleplay fetish.
*** Not ''quite'' the obvious answer I had in mind.
*** Fortunately or not, I am. Roleplay fetish.
*** Not ''quite'' the obvious answer I had in mind.
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** There's one obvious answer, but I'm not going there.
*** Fortunately or not, I am.Roleplay fetish.
***Not ''quite'' the obvious answer I Random Troper had better keep in mind.mind that there is a difference between fetish and unusual nonsexual interest. Maybe Cheerilee just ''likes'' roleplaying. Full stop.
*** Fortunately or not, I am.
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*** Again, roleplay fetish.
*** Random Troper had better keep in mind that there is a difference between fetish and unusual nonsexual interest. Maybe Cheerilee just ''likes'' roleplaying. Full stop.
*** Random Troper had better keep in mind that there is a difference between fetish and unusual nonsexual interest. Maybe Cheerilee just ''likes'' roleplaying. Full stop.
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* I'm really really surprised that Junebug (The pony with baskets of flowers) has not made any sort of impact on the fandom at all. This is the same fandom that readily embraces any character that even gets one second of screentime. I may have come across maybe 2 pieces of fanart at most. I just find it so abnormal.
** It's only been a week. Give them time.
** It's only been a week. Give them time.
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* It seems weird that Twilight has no knowledge of dragon anatomy or history despite being a pony who loves to learn and read books and for someone who has a dragon for an assistant.
** Maybe she thought she didn't have to, given that Spike never showed any concerning signs of turning into a monster before.
*** Maybe she was afraid to, she loves Spike like a son or younger brother, and [[AdultFear she didn't want to think of him having to leave her, or fear him turning into a monster.]]
*** A simpler explanation is that Twilight ''has'' researched dragon life cycles in the past, but her books had no information about overnight growth spurts driven by excessive greed because it's not part of normal dragon development. So when Twilight sees Spike has suddenly tripled in size, she realizes it's something not covered by her earlier research and has to seek advice from others.
*** Dragons are very anti-social, and can potentially grow to adult size as soon as they can get grabby. That makes researching them tricky, to say the least. Twilight probably doesn't have any good resources on dragon behavior or life cycles, which was why she tried all the doctors in Ponyville. Might or might be used by the current show runners, but Faust said that Celestia was raising Spike because ponies don't know much about dragons, and had never seen a baby dragon before.
* If Ponyville/Equestria is threatened by a physical monster too powerful for their combined efforts to stop, would Spike or the Mane Cast allow for him to become greedy and grow huge again to defeat the monster?
** Probably not, because [[NiceJobBreakingItHero then they'd have to deal with two monsters]].
*** Well, it's a standard procedure in many Godzilla movies; use a monster to defeat another. At least with Spike they already have somepony (Rarity) who can return him to normal once the emergency is over.
* This is only FridgeLogic if combined with what Creator/LaurenFaust said about Spike being raised by Celestia, which may not be canon with the current crew, but if he was, why did he get just one present a year (obviously from Twilight) and not two? It feels a little weird that Celestia, the Trollestia meme aside, would raise a kid and not give him a single birthday present in all his life. You could say she somehow knew and wanted to avoid this scenario, but then you wonder why she never instructed Twilight to [[Film/{{Gremlins}} never feed him birthday cake after midnight]], so to speak.
** Maybe his present from Celestia was a big dinner with lots of rare gems to eat; it would satisfy the obligation for a gift while not indulging his inherent greed (since he effectively eats his gift) and since he gets to eat it he might not consider it a "gift" in the traditional sense.
** Spike got that fire ruby from somewhere. Maybe Celestia gives him a flashy bonus sometime before his birthday? Not an actual gift, but still a sign of her appreciation.
** Maybe she thought she didn't have to, given that Spike never showed any concerning signs of turning into a monster before.
*** Maybe she was afraid to, she loves Spike like a son or younger brother, and [[AdultFear she didn't want to think of him having to leave her, or fear him turning into a monster.]]
*** A simpler explanation is that Twilight ''has'' researched dragon life cycles in the past, but her books had no information about overnight growth spurts driven by excessive greed because it's not part of normal dragon development. So when Twilight sees Spike has suddenly tripled in size, she realizes it's something not covered by her earlier research and has to seek advice from others.
*** Dragons are very anti-social, and can potentially grow to adult size as soon as they can get grabby. That makes researching them tricky, to say the least. Twilight probably doesn't have any good resources on dragon behavior or life cycles, which was why she tried all the doctors in Ponyville. Might or might be used by the current show runners, but Faust said that Celestia was raising Spike because ponies don't know much about dragons, and had never seen a baby dragon before.
* If Ponyville/Equestria is threatened by a physical monster too powerful for their combined efforts to stop, would Spike or the Mane Cast allow for him to become greedy and grow huge again to defeat the monster?
** Probably not, because [[NiceJobBreakingItHero then they'd have to deal with two monsters]].
*** Well, it's a standard procedure in many Godzilla movies; use a monster to defeat another. At least with Spike they already have somepony (Rarity) who can return him to normal once the emergency is over.
* This is only FridgeLogic if combined with what Creator/LaurenFaust said about Spike being raised by Celestia, which may not be canon with the current crew, but if he was, why did he get just one present a year (obviously from Twilight) and not two? It feels a little weird that Celestia, the Trollestia meme aside, would raise a kid and not give him a single birthday present in all his life. You could say she somehow knew and wanted to avoid this scenario, but then you wonder why she never instructed Twilight to [[Film/{{Gremlins}} never feed him birthday cake after midnight]], so to speak.
** Maybe his present from Celestia was a big dinner with lots of rare gems to eat; it would satisfy the obligation for a gift while not indulging his inherent greed (since he effectively eats his gift) and since he gets to eat it he might not consider it a "gift" in the traditional sense.
** Spike got that fire ruby from somewhere. Maybe Celestia gives him a flashy bonus sometime before his birthday? Not an actual gift, but still a sign of her appreciation.
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** Although it's obviously a {{Retcon}}, it's logical to assume the ponies in Ep1 knew very well who Nightmare Moon ''appeared'' to be. They just didn't ''believe'' it was actually her, at least until Twilight finally said her name out loud. Most ponies considered her to be completely fictional. Nightmare Moon was acting as a "bad guy" but not consistently with her myth (i.e. flying around eating ponies and candy). For a modern-human equivalent, imagine someone who looked like Freddy Krueger taking hostages in a bank. The recognition is there, but no one would actually believe it's him, instead assuming it's just a disguise.
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** Although it's obviously a {{Retcon}}, it's logical to assume the ponies in Ep1 knew very well who Nightmare Moon ''appeared'' to be. They just didn't ''believe'' it was actually her, at least until Twilight finally said her name out loud. Most ponies considered her to be completely fictional. Nightmare Moon was acting as a "bad guy" but not consistently with her myth (i.e. flying around eating ponies and candy). For a modern-human equivalent, imagine someone who looked like Freddy Krueger taking hostages in a bank. The recognition is there, but no one would actually believe it's him, instead assuming it's just a disguise.
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** Luna's clearly put a fair bit of effort into making a suitably spooky grand entrance, so she can't have been ''wholly'' ignorant of this whole "Nightmare Night" business. And interestingly enough, the "Halloween" episode where everypony dresses up and at least mock-pretends not to be the pony they usually are is actually the ''only'' one in which we see her use "the voice", or FloweryElizabethanEnglish for that matter... Food for thought, perhaps.
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* I don't know, but am I the only one who thinks that it's kind of a stupid idea if you want to show that your beloved sister has redeemed herself, to have a ceremony in your kingdom where you paint his/her alter ego as the ultimate boogeyman? And even if the whole thing was a tradition ever since Luna was exiled 1000 years ago, in Celestia's place, I still wouldn't have allowed them to tarnish Luna's reputation like that. I dunno about the aesop of the story, but I don't quite believe that being scary is a good quality to get people to like you. So, [[WhatTheHellHero What The heck, Celestia?!]]
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* I don't know, but am I the only one who thinks that it's kind of a stupid idea if you want to show that your beloved sister has redeemed herself, to have a ceremony in your kingdom where you paint his/her alter ego as the ultimate boogeyman? And even if the whole thing was a tradition ever since Luna was exiled 1000 years ago, in Celestia's place, I still wouldn't have allowed them to tarnish Luna's reputation like that. I dunno about the aesop of the story, but I don't quite believe that being scary is a good quality to get people to like you. So, [[WhatTheHellHero What The heck, Celestia?!]]
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*** It seems that they were scared of her loud voice and mannerisms(It sounded like she was angry). Twilight was the first to approach her. Applejack took a little convincing to accept her. Pinkie Pie was pretending. Rainbow Dash didn't care. Fluttershy is scared of anyone who raises her voice (as we saw with Gilda) and Rarity was not in the episode. It seemed that most ponies were scared of her being angry, or of her portrayal as Nightmare Moon, but NOT of her still being Nightmare Moon.
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*** It seems that they were scared of her loud voice and mannerisms(It mannerisms (It sounded like she was angry). Twilight was the first to approach her. Applejack took a little convincing to accept her. Pinkie Pie was pretending. Rainbow Dash didn't care. Fluttershy is scared of anyone who raises her voice (as we saw with Gilda) and Rarity was not in the episode. It seemed that most ponies were scared of her being angry, or of her portrayal as Nightmare Moon, but NOT of her still being Nightmare Moon.
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* Is everypony carrying the IdiotBall in the first episode? No one knows who Nightmare Moon is, even though she is the pony boogyman and the is a HUGE STATUE OF HER NEARBY?!?!?!
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* Is We see that tales of Nightmare Moon are the basis of a well-established holiday tradition. Why, then, did no one recognize her way back in Episode 1?
** They might have recognized her if they had a minute to think about it. It's one thing to hear a fairy tale of a shadowy, villainous figure that eats children and completely another for said figure to appear in front of you as real as ever. Most ponies would probably think "Is this even real?" if NMM weren't so terrifying.
*** Exactly, it's like seeing a man in a cape and fake fangs. Almost everyone would notice the resemblance to Dracula, but only a nut job would assume it was ''really'' Dracula.
** Does anyone else find it odd that the mane six would be scared of Nightmare Moon knowing full well they defeated her and freed Luna?
*** It seems that they were scared of her loud voice and mannerisms(It sounded like she was angry). Twilight was the first to approach her. Applejack took a little convincing to accept her. Pinkie Pie was pretending. Rainbow Dash didn't care. Fluttershy is scared of anyone who raises her voice (as we saw with Gilda) and Rarity was not in the episode. It seemed that most ponies were scared of her being angry, or of her portrayal as Nightmare Moon, but NOT of her still being Nightmare Moon.
*** But Fluttershy was scared the minute she saw Luna, and even ''called'' her Nightmare Moon. She actually seemed to be afraid of Nightmare Moon.
*** Fluttershy was already a terrified nervous wreck just on account of it being Nightmare Night, so it wouldn't take much to make her even more frightened.
*** Ok, grasping at straws here: Last time the mane characters saw Luna (That we know of) she was timid, smaller and had "normal" hair. In Nightmare night, it was at night(duh) so her coat looked darker, and her hair resembled more Nightmare Moon, plus, she has grew some, and was showing WAY more confidence, resembling more the Nightmare Moon they knew than the Luna that they briefly glimpsed. Add to that the TRADITIONAL CANTERLOT ROYAL VOICE. Twilight, being studious and learning under Princess Celestia herself, probably knew about the voice, either from a book, or from the princess (Hell, there is nothing to say that Celestia doesn't use the voice every now and then). Fluttershy, and everyponycarrying else assumed that Luna had been repossessed due to her exterior changes.
*** Celestia used on Twilight one episode beforehand, at theIdiotBall in end of Lesson Zero.
--->Celestia: '''''TWILIGHT SPARKLE!!!'''''
** Perhaps it's all for fun but why is Nightmare Night even happening anymore? It's based on an old legend that was brought full circle by thefirst episode? appearance of Nightmare Moon herself and her subsequent defeat, which I'm sure everypony is already well aware of. To This Troper, that suggests that Nightmare Night no longer has meaning (she CAN'T come back and haunt your family because...well...she's vanquished, though Luna can turn into her form at will).
*** You get to dress up, get candy, play games and have fun. Why would anyone stop that just because the one central character of the event supposedly doesn't exist anymore? (How many people who party during halloween actually believe in witches and ghosts?)
* No one knows who Nightmare Moon is, even though she is the pony boogyman and the is a HUGE STATUE OF HER NEARBY?!?!?!
** They might have recognized her if they had a minute to think about it. It's one thing to hear a fairy tale of a shadowy, villainous figure that eats children and completely another for said figure to appear in front of you as real as ever. Most ponies would probably think "Is this even real?" if NMM weren't so terrifying.
*** Exactly, it's like seeing a man in a cape and fake fangs. Almost everyone would notice the resemblance to Dracula, but only a nut job would assume it was ''really'' Dracula.
** Does anyone else find it odd that the mane six would be scared of Nightmare Moon knowing full well they defeated her and freed Luna?
*** It seems that they were scared of her loud voice and mannerisms(It sounded like she was angry). Twilight was the first to approach her. Applejack took a little convincing to accept her. Pinkie Pie was pretending. Rainbow Dash didn't care. Fluttershy is scared of anyone who raises her voice (as we saw with Gilda) and Rarity was not in the episode. It seemed that most ponies were scared of her being angry, or of her portrayal as Nightmare Moon, but NOT of her still being Nightmare Moon.
*** But Fluttershy was scared the minute she saw Luna, and even ''called'' her Nightmare Moon. She actually seemed to be afraid of Nightmare Moon.
*** Fluttershy was already a terrified nervous wreck just on account of it being Nightmare Night, so it wouldn't take much to make her even more frightened.
*** Ok, grasping at straws here: Last time the mane characters saw Luna (That we know of) she was timid, smaller and had "normal" hair. In Nightmare night, it was at night(duh) so her coat looked darker, and her hair resembled more Nightmare Moon, plus, she has grew some, and was showing WAY more confidence, resembling more the Nightmare Moon they knew than the Luna that they briefly glimpsed. Add to that the TRADITIONAL CANTERLOT ROYAL VOICE. Twilight, being studious and learning under Princess Celestia herself, probably knew about the voice, either from a book, or from the princess (Hell, there is nothing to say that Celestia doesn't use the voice every now and then). Fluttershy, and everypony
*** Celestia used on Twilight one episode beforehand, at the
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** Perhaps it's all for fun but why is Nightmare Night even happening anymore? It's based on an old legend that was brought full circle by the
*** You get to dress up, get candy, play games and have fun. Why would anyone stop that just because the one central character of the event supposedly doesn't exist anymore? (How many people who party during halloween actually believe in witches and ghosts?)
* No one knows who Nightmare Moon is, even though she is the pony boogyman and the is a HUGE STATUE OF HER NEARBY?!?!?!
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* Luna was shown able to transform back into her Nightmare Moon form easily, and had the same powers to boot without it. Does this suggest that 'Knightmare Moon' was just a form that Luna already had achieved at some point, and whatever evil force or possession took control of her, just coerced her into using permanently because the aesthetic simply 'worked out better?' And considering her 'original' form from her first appearance,whose to say Luna isn't altering herself now to come off prestigious? Or that Celestia isn't either for that matter. (Her younger form shown being of pink shorter hair)
** I don't know about the powers, but it seemed that Luna had to possess the Nightmare Moon statue in order to take that form again.
** It's probably easy for her to change her appearance with an illusion or transformation spell.
** She still needed fake teeth though :)
*** Of course. Nightmare Moon had normal teeth.
** You're assuming Luna was possessed to begin with. Why can't it just have been that Luna was so angry, so jealous, that she did everything she did ''of her own free will''?
*** WordOfGod. While Luna had the feelings, she was being 'assisted' in expressing them.
*** I the IDW comics are aything to go by, it's confirmed that Nightmare Moon is the result of Luna getting posessed by the Nightmare Forces (briefly seen in the Season 4 opener as a black cloud)
** I don't know about the powers, but it seemed that Luna had to possess the Nightmare Moon statue in order to take that form again.
** It's probably easy for her to change her appearance with an illusion or transformation spell.
** She still needed fake teeth though :)
*** Of course. Nightmare Moon had normal teeth.
** You're assuming Luna was possessed to begin with. Why can't it just have been that Luna was so angry, so jealous, that she did everything she did ''of her own free will''?
*** WordOfGod. While Luna had the feelings, she was being 'assisted' in expressing them.
*** I the IDW comics are aything to go by, it's confirmed that Nightmare Moon is the result of Luna getting posessed by the Nightmare Forces (briefly seen in the Season 4 opener as a black cloud)
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** Aside from the party cannon, bullets in real life are at least as old as slings. As for tanks...well, ''some'' apparently self-powered vehicles are in evidence in Equestria, so while they may not precisely have an equivalent of the M1 Abrams or even "just" the M4 Sherman, some counterpart to the earliest tank designs of WWI (basically a slow metal box on tracks carrying a few unicorn "gunners") actually wouldn't be that much of a stretch.
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** Aside from Bullets are not just gun ammo. The term can also apply to the party cannon, bullets ammunition used in real life are at least as old as slings. As for tanks...well, ''some'' mundane slingshots or other sling-type weapons. That sort of weaponry is much more common in medieval settings, even pseudo-medieval settings like this one.
** I remember that Hasbro owns the rights to the ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' monster manual, and the show has used hydras and dragons and manticores, so why not bulettes (Land Sharks)?
** ''Some'' apparently self-powered vehicles are in evidence in Equestria, so while they may not precisely have an equivalent of the M1 Abrams or even "just" the M4 Sherman, some counterpart to the earliest tank designs of WWI (basically a slow metal box on tracks carrying a few unicorn "gunners") actually wouldn't be that much of a stretch.
** I remember that Hasbro owns the rights to the ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' monster manual, and the show has used hydras and dragons and manticores, so why not bulettes (Land Sharks)?
** ''Some'' apparently self-powered vehicles are in evidence in Equestria, so while they may not precisely have an equivalent of the M1 Abrams or even "just" the M4 Sherman, some counterpart to the earliest tank designs of WWI (basically a slow metal box on tracks carrying a few unicorn "gunners") actually wouldn't be that much of a stretch.
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*** She doesn't say he's ''built'' like a tank. She says he's ''unstoppable'' like one. Water tanks aren't really known for being unstoppable.
*** There are two possibilities here. First is that tank refers to the kind of tank they'd actually have (but likely never use), which was essentially like a moveable miniature fortress. The second is that tank, in Equestria, means the same thing as it does in [=RPGs=]: Heavily armored warriors that are difficult to take down.
*** There are two possibilities here. First is that tank refers to the kind of tank they'd actually have (but likely never use), which was essentially like a moveable miniature fortress. The second is that tank, in Equestria, means the same thing as it does in [=RPGs=]: Heavily armored warriors that are difficult to take down.
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** I think the main points everyone is missing here are attitude and motive. When Trixie brags, she talks down to an entire town full of ponies she's never even met before, declaring she's superior to all of them. She then, after Rainbow confronts her, proceeds to target Twilight, humiliates Applejack for standing up for Twilight, and goads Rarity into a fight when Rarity refused to get involved. She then challenges Twilight AGAIN and treats her actual fans rather rudely. Apple Bloom ONLY talked down to [[Alphalady Diamond]] [[TheSociopath Tiara]] and [[Alphalady Silver]] [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Spoon]], who by the way, bullied Apple Bloom and made her feel inferior in various episodes. Apple Bloom getting back at them might not have been entirely appropriate, but it's understandable, and a FAR cry from what Trixie does. Plus, Apple Bloom never actually challenged them, they tried to outdue Apple Bloom on their own. Finally, Apple Bloom's motivation for getting a Cutie Mark is because she feels like an outcast without one, and finally getting one and receiving attention for it seemed to make her feel accepted as part of the community. This would make her far more comparable to Twilight during Winter Wrap Up then to Trixie. Finally, Apple Bloom never brags, only demonstrates for those who want to watch.
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** I think the main points everyone is missing here are attitude and motive. When Trixie brags, she talks down to an entire town full of ponies she's never even met before, declaring she's superior to all of them. She then, after Rainbow confronts her, proceeds to target Twilight, humiliates Applejack for standing up for Twilight, and goads Rarity into a fight when Rarity refused to get involved. She then challenges Twilight AGAIN and treats her actual fans rather rudely. Apple Bloom ONLY talked down to [[Alphalady Diamond]] [[TheSociopath Tiara]] Diamond Tiara and [[Alphalady Silver]] [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Spoon]], Silver Spoon, who by the way, bullied Apple Bloom and made her feel inferior in various episodes. Apple Bloom getting back at them might not have been entirely appropriate, but it's understandable, and a FAR cry from what Trixie does. Plus, Apple Bloom never actually challenged them, they tried to outdue Apple Bloom on their own. Finally, Apple Bloom's motivation for getting a Cutie Mark is because she feels like an outcast without one, and finally getting one and receiving attention for it seemed to make her feel accepted as part of the community. This would make her far more comparable to Twilight during Winter Wrap Up then to Trixie. Finally, Apple Bloom never brags, only demonstrates for those who want to watch.
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* In "''The Cutie Pox''", why was Applejack the only one who went with Apple Bloom to Twilight's? I can understand Granny Smith not being there because they didn't want to worry her, but what about Big Macintosh? Did Applejack just whisk Apple Bloom away without telling her older brother? Can you imagine how it would have went if they hadn't of found a cure and he had to find out later? He probably would have kicked their house down in such a fit.
** Or, alternatively:
--> '''Applejack''': Big Macintosh, I'm taking Apple Bloom to Twilight so we can find a cure! Can you stay here and look after Granny Smith and the farm?
--> '''Big Macintosh''': A-yup.
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--> '''Applejack''': Big Macintosh, I'm taking Apple Bloom to Twilight so we can find a cure! Can you stay here and look after Granny Smith and the farm?
--> '''Big Macintosh''': A-yup.
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* Why do people keep making out that Discord is so much worse than a [[CardCarryingVillain card-carrying villain]], presumably one with a similar scale of power since otherwise it would be an unfair comparison? I would much rather prefer to have Discord around than a sadist or glutton for control with similar powers, and that's even after accounting for [[AdultFear one of my worst phobias]] being to lose myself. He would ''eventually'' get around to doing mean things t you, but odds are that he would also do a few nice things, and plenty of entertaining (not necessarily for you) but relatively neutral things. I'm quite sure he wouldn't outright kill anyone who didn't go out of their way to prove that they're less interesting and more annoying alive than dead, although even if he did decide to go on a killing spree, it would '''probably''' be almost completely unexpected and statistically less than the average childrens' show villain would do without media content restrictions. Is this an empathy thing, or possibly something to do with my upbringing or philosophies that I'm too close to see (and, I will admit, something others might not notice from a simple paragraph like this)? I'm not saying Discord is ''nice'' (A [[DracoInLeatherPants Draconequus in Leather Pants]], [[IncrediblyLamePun one might say]]), just that it seems incredibly common to consider Discord ''worse'' because of his BlueAndOrangeMorality, and I ''really'' don't understand why.
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** They were in a terrible hurry to stop Discord.
** If they lost Rainbow Dash now, they might not find her again.
** The spell took some prep time and, like other more difficult spells, was draining on Twilight.
** Not to mention that Twilight had just cast four de-brainwashing spells in rapid succession, and needed to conserve enough energy to lay the fifth one on Rainbow Dash once they caught her.
** There weren't enough clouds around for them to use to chase Rainbow Dash.
** Rainbow Dash could just dissipate the clouds and Fluttershy would be too busy trying to catch the falling ponies, allowing Rainbow Dash to escape.
** They were in a terrible hurry to stop Discord.
** If they lost Rainbow Dash now, they might not find her again.
** The spell took some prep time and, like other more difficult spells, was draining on Twilight.
** Not to mention that Twilight had just cast four de-brainwashing spells in rapid succession, and needed to conserve enough energy to lay the fifth one on Rainbow Dash once they caught her.
** There weren't enough clouds around for them to use to chase Rainbow Dash.
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*** Not quite. Most episodic television shows will, without exception, have the main characters accomplish a number of noteworthy deeds (for better or for worse) but remain completely unknown. The only consistent exceptions are if the characters are already famous in-universe from the moment the series begins (such as [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries Batman]] or [[WesternAnimation/DuckTales Scrooge McDuck]]). You'd think that [[Franchise/ScoobyDoo Mysteries Incorporated]] would have nationwide renown for debunking ghost story after ghost story, for example, but people keep challenging Scooby-Doo and the rest of the team anyway. Or how much crap Mario gets put through in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine'' even though the townsfolk all recognize him and know he's saved the Mushroom Kingdom numerous times prior. ''My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic'' is an episodic series and is thus subject to this rule as well. (There is a deliberate reason for this, which is in case the channel the show is on airs reruns in random order. The Hub does not do this, but Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, and The Disney Channel all do.)
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*** Not quite. Most episodic television shows will, without exception, have the main characters accomplish a number of noteworthy deeds (for better or for worse) but remain completely unknown. The only consistent exceptions are if the characters are already famous in-universe from the moment the series begins (such as [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries Batman]] or [[WesternAnimation/DuckTales [[WesternAnimation/DuckTales1987 Scrooge McDuck]]). You'd think that [[Franchise/ScoobyDoo Mysteries Incorporated]] would have nationwide renown for debunking ghost story after ghost story, for example, but people keep challenging Scooby-Doo and the rest of the team anyway. Or how much crap Mario gets put through in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine'' even though the townsfolk all recognize him and know he's saved the Mushroom Kingdom numerous times prior. ''My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic'' is an episodic series and is thus subject to this rule as well. (There is a deliberate reason for this, which is in case the channel the show is on airs reruns in random order. The Hub does not do this, but Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, and The Disney Channel all do.)
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*** I actually feel this small comic explains how Discord attacked Twilight and friends well: http://themiles.deviantart.com/art/Path-of-Discord-259072394?q=gallery%3Athemiles%2F20963714&qo=63
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** Do you have a problem with [[TheFlintstones Bam Bam]] too? This is still a cartoon, and cartoon physics apply. No, things that happen aren't always physically possible in the real world, but that's why animation exists.
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** Do you have a problem with [[TheFlintstones [[WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones Bam Bam]] too? This is still a cartoon, and cartoon physics apply. No, things that happen aren't always physically possible in the real world, but that's why animation exists.
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** Well Nightmare Moon was probably intentionally not imprisoned for good. As for Discord, she honestly ''thought'' he'd been done away with for good and was suprised as everyone else when he returned.
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* So,Twilight and the Discorded girls goes to the library...and finds Spike asleep?What?Time,space and reality are being raped outside of his window and he think '''now''' is a good moment to take a nap?He seriously didn't notice everything that was happening?Furthermore,why was he still normal?Everybody else in town was under Discord's influence(except Twilight,but that was because he was having so much fun trolling her).What,are dragons simply immune to his powers?
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* So,Twilight So, Twilight and the Discorded girls goes go to the library...and finds Spike asleep?What?Time,space asleep? What? Time, space and reality are being raped outside of his window and he think thinks '''now''' is a good moment to take a nap?He nap? He seriously didn't notice everything that was happening?Furthermore,why happening? Furthermore, why was he still normal?Everybody normal? Everybody else in town was under Discord's influence(except Twilight,but influence (except Twilight, but that was because he was having so much fun trolling her).What,are her). What, are dragons simply immune to his powers?
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** Except he wakes up immediatly after Twilight enter.And why would Discord just put him to sleep instead of using his power to "discord" him like everibody else?
*** It is possble that Spike took a nap before this all began and has been sleeping through it all.
** What?There was Flying houses,dancing buffoalos and rabbits with deer legs doing stampedes.And i'm supposed to believe there wasn't a mass panic attack from the residents of Ponyville for all that before Discord corrupted them?How can you sleep trought that?And anyway this doesn't explain why Discord doesn't corrupt him:why of all Ponyville he was the only one spared?
*** It is possble that Spike took a nap before this all began and has been sleeping through it all.
** What?There was Flying houses,dancing buffoalos and rabbits with deer legs doing stampedes.And i'm supposed to believe there wasn't a mass panic attack from the residents of Ponyville for all that before Discord corrupted them?How can you sleep trought that?And anyway this doesn't explain why Discord doesn't corrupt him:why of all Ponyville he was the only one spared?
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** Except he wakes up immediatly immediately after Twilight enter.enters. And why would Discord just put him to sleep instead of using his power to "discord" him like everibody everybody else?
*** It ispossble possible that Spike took a nap before this all began and has been sleeping through it all.
** What?There was Flyinghouses,dancing buffoalos houses, dancing buffaloes and rabbits with deer legs doing stampedes.stampedes. And i'm I'm supposed to believe there wasn't a mass panic attack from the residents of Ponyville for all that before Discord corrupted them?How them? How can you sleep trought that?And through that? And anyway this doesn't explain why Discord doesn't corrupt him:why of all Ponyville he was the only one spared?
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** What?There was Flying
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** Consider that hermit and non-pony Zecora is the one explaining the story behind the holiday. It's possible that Nightmare Night wasn't originally an Equestrian holiday at all, but rather a [[ChristmasInJapan zebra holiday that the ponies adopted.]]
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** Consider that hermit and non-pony Zecora is the one explaining the story behind the holiday. It's possible that Nightmare Night wasn't originally an Equestrian holiday at all, but rather a [[ChristmasInJapan [[UsefulNotes/ChristmasInJapan zebra holiday that the ponies adopted.]]
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** Plus, Luna's reaction was instant and instinctive. She saw him fall and thought, "Grab him!" Typically, you can't really decide between options within the time span of a split second.
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*** [[TheHoneymooners "Bang! Zoom! Straight to the moon, Twilight!"]] Incidentally, this is the same punishment Celestia doles out for littering, jaywalking, and "looking weird".
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*** [[TheHoneymooners [[Series/TheHoneymooners "Bang! Zoom! Straight to the moon, Twilight!"]] Incidentally, this is the same punishment Celestia doles out for littering, jaywalking, and "looking weird".
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*** Never shown any tendency towards unkindness? What about when she haughtily, ladyily told Rarity that her sewing skills sucked and that the dress she made for her free of charge was "prêt-à-porter" ("off-the-rack")? What about her treatment of the Princess' animals when they didn't love her?
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*** Never shown any tendency towards unkindness? What about when she haughtily, ladyily haughtily told Rarity that her sewing skills sucked and that the dress she made for her free of charge was "prêt-à-porter" ("off-the-rack")? What about her treatment of the Princess' animals when they didn't love her?
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*** Hey, the clouds deserved his punishment. After what he did to the Mane 5, as well as screwing up the laws of physics and nature in Equestria, I'd say he gains no sympathy whatsoever.
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*** Hey, the clouds jerk deserved his punishment. After what he did to the Mane 5, as well as screwing up the laws of physics and nature in Equestria, I'd say he gains no sympathy whatsoever.
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** I don't really see that as racist for two reasons: First of all, the question doesn't really imply any dislike for zebras on Applejack's part, and second, it's a totally legitimate question: we know for a fact that different pony races have different abilities so it really isn't odd that she might think zebras have similar abilities. Not to mention that Zecora is always portrayed as a bit of a mystic whenever she shows up, having access to information that none of the rest of the cast does. As for her reaction to Zecora in "Bridle Gossip", she doesn't even realize that Zecora isn't a pony, so her subrotherions can't be racially motivated. If anything she's freaked out because Zecora acts weird, dresses weird, and lives in an area that the ponies in general tend to be wary of. Not to mention that her reaction to Zecora wasn't really that much worse than everyone else's. She's just more outspoken about it because she's worried that her sister might be endangered.
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** I don't really see that as racist for two reasons: First of all, the question doesn't really imply any dislike for zebras on Applejack's part, and second, it's a totally legitimate question: we know for a fact that different pony races have different abilities so it really isn't odd that she might think zebras have similar abilities. Not to mention that Zecora is always portrayed as a bit of a mystic whenever she shows up, having access to information that none of the rest of the cast does. As for her reaction to Zecora in "Bridle Gossip", she doesn't even realize that Zecora isn't a pony, so her subrotherions suspicions can't be racially motivated. If anything she's freaked out because Zecora acts weird, dresses weird, and lives in an area that the ponies in general tend to be wary of. Not to mention that her reaction to Zecora wasn't really that much worse than everyone else's. She's just more outspoken about it because she's worried that her sister might be endangered.
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*** Never shown any tendency towards unkindness? What about when she haughtily, bitchily told Rarity that her sewing skills sucked and that the dress she made for her free of charge was "prêt-à-porter" ("off-the-rack")? What about her treatment of the Princess' animals when they didn't love her?
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*** Never shown any tendency towards unkindness? What about when she haughtily, bitchily ladyily told Rarity that her sewing skills sucked and that the dress she made for her free of charge was "prêt-à-porter" ("off-the-rack")? What about her treatment of the Princess' animals when they didn't love her?
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** That's a fair bit of logical trickery to get around the obvious interpretation. More likely is that they did overthrow him... but we have other words for "usurpers" who overthrow vile rulers who enjoy tormenting their subjects for the hell of it -- words like "revolutionaries" or "heroes."
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** That's a fair bit of logical trickery to get around the obvious interpretation. More likely is that they did overthrow him... but we have other words for "usurpers" who overthrow vile rulers who enjoy tormenting their subjects for the hell heck of it -- words like "revolutionaries" or "heroes."
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*** Hey, the bastard deserved his punishment. After what he did to the Mane 5, as well as screwing up the laws of physics and nature in Equestria, I'd say he gains no sympathy whatsoever.
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*** Hey, the bastard clouds deserved his punishment. After what he did to the Mane 5, as well as screwing up the laws of physics and nature in Equestria, I'd say he gains no sympathy whatsoever.
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** I'm also of the opinion that Twilight would have gotten off the hook; while causing a riot could have had terrible consequences, no one actually got hurt, Twilight's obviously never going to do anything like that again, and in any case she wasn't quite herself at the time. All said, there were probably enough mitigating factors to earn a bit of leniency. But... I find contemplating the ways Celestia might have punished her to be funny as hell. Twenty seconds on the clock!
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** I'm also of the opinion that Twilight would have gotten off the hook; while causing a riot could have had terrible consequences, no one actually got hurt, Twilight's obviously never going to do anything like that again, and in any case she wasn't quite herself at the time. All said, there were probably enough mitigating factors to earn a bit of leniency. But... I find contemplating the ways Celestia might have punished her to be funny as hell.heck. Twenty seconds on the clock!
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* I don't know, but am I the only one who thinks that it's kind of a stupid idea if you want to show that your beloved sister has redeemed herself, to have a ceremony in your kingdom where you paint his/her alter ego as the ultimate boogeyman? And even if the whole thing was a tradition ever since Luna was exiled 1000 years ago, in Celestia's place, I still wouldn't have allowed them to tarnish Luna's reputation like that. I dunno about the aesop of the story, but I don't quite believe that being scary is a good quality to get people to like you. So, [[WhatTheHellHero What The Hell, Celestia?!]]
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* I don't know, but am I the only one who thinks that it's kind of a stupid idea if you want to show that your beloved sister has redeemed herself, to have a ceremony in your kingdom where you paint his/her alter ego as the ultimate boogeyman? And even if the whole thing was a tradition ever since Luna was exiled 1000 years ago, in Celestia's place, I still wouldn't have allowed them to tarnish Luna's reputation like that. I dunno about the aesop of the story, but I don't quite believe that being scary is a good quality to get people to like you. So, [[WhatTheHellHero What The Hell, heck, Celestia?!]]
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** I don't really see that as racist for two reasons: First of all, the question doesn't really imply any dislike for zebras on Applejack's part, and second, it's a totally legitimate question: we know for a fact that different pony races have different abilities so it really isn't odd that she might think zebras have similar abilities. Not to mention that Zecora is always portrayed as a bit of a mystic whenever she shows up, having access to information that none of the rest of the cast does. As for her reaction to Zecora in "Bridle Gossip", she doesn't even realize that Zecora isn't a pony, so her suspicions can't be racially motivated. If anything she's freaked out because Zecora acts weird, dresses weird, and lives in an area that the ponies in general tend to be wary of. Not to mention that her reaction to Zecora wasn't really that much worse than everyone else's. She's just more outspoken about it because she's worried that her sister might be endangered.
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** I don't really see that as racist for two reasons: First of all, the question doesn't really imply any dislike for zebras on Applejack's part, and second, it's a totally legitimate question: we know for a fact that different pony races have different abilities so it really isn't odd that she might think zebras have similar abilities. Not to mention that Zecora is always portrayed as a bit of a mystic whenever she shows up, having access to information that none of the rest of the cast does. As for her reaction to Zecora in "Bridle Gossip", she doesn't even realize that Zecora isn't a pony, so her suspicions subrotherions can't be racially motivated. If anything she's freaked out because Zecora acts weird, dresses weird, and lives in an area that the ponies in general tend to be wary of. Not to mention that her reaction to Zecora wasn't really that much worse than everyone else's. She's just more outspoken about it because she's worried that her sister might be endangered.
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** I think the main points everyone is missing here are attitude and motive. When Trixie brags, she talks down to an entire town full of ponies she's never even met before, declaring she's superior to all of them. She then, after Rainbow confronts her, proceeds to target Twilight, humiliates Applejack for standing up for Twilight, and goads Rarity into a fight when Rarity refused to get involved. She then challenges Twilight AGAIN and treats her actual fans rather rudely. Apple Bloom ONLY talked down to [[AlphaBitch Diamond]] [[TheSociopath Tiara]] and [[AlphaBitch Silver]] [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Spoon]], who by the way, bullied Apple Bloom and made her feel inferior in various episodes. Apple Bloom getting back at them might not have been entirely appropriate, but it's understandable, and a FAR cry from what Trixie does. Plus, Apple Bloom never actually challenged them, they tried to outdue Apple Bloom on their own. Finally, Apple Bloom's motivation for getting a Cutie Mark is because she feels like an outcast without one, and finally getting one and receiving attention for it seemed to make her feel accepted as part of the community. This would make her far more comparable to Twilight during Winter Wrap Up then to Trixie. Finally, Apple Bloom never brags, only demonstrates for those who want to watch.
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** I think the main points everyone is missing here are attitude and motive. When Trixie brags, she talks down to an entire town full of ponies she's never even met before, declaring she's superior to all of them. She then, after Rainbow confronts her, proceeds to target Twilight, humiliates Applejack for standing up for Twilight, and goads Rarity into a fight when Rarity refused to get involved. She then challenges Twilight AGAIN and treats her actual fans rather rudely. Apple Bloom ONLY talked down to [[AlphaBitch [[Alphalady Diamond]] [[TheSociopath Tiara]] and [[AlphaBitch [[Alphalady Silver]] [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Spoon]], who by the way, bullied Apple Bloom and made her feel inferior in various episodes. Apple Bloom getting back at them might not have been entirely appropriate, but it's understandable, and a FAR cry from what Trixie does. Plus, Apple Bloom never actually challenged them, they tried to outdue Apple Bloom on their own. Finally, Apple Bloom's motivation for getting a Cutie Mark is because she feels like an outcast without one, and finally getting one and receiving attention for it seemed to make her feel accepted as part of the community. This would make her far more comparable to Twilight during Winter Wrap Up then to Trixie. Finally, Apple Bloom never brags, only demonstrates for those who want to watch.
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* Exactly why did Rainbow Dash not just ''kick the damn rock off her wing with her hind legs?'' She was clearly shown being in an excellent position to do so. Hell, if Tank could lift it with his freaking ''neck'', Dash could easily have kicked or pushed it with her strong pony legs.
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* Exactly why did Rainbow Dash not just ''kick the damn darn rock off her wing with her hind legs?'' She was clearly shown being in an excellent position to do so. Hell, heck, if Tank could lift it with his freaking ''neck'', Dash could easily have kicked or pushed it with her strong pony legs.
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* What I don't get is why is the Mysterious Mare thing, the first thing the mane 5 try? I mean they don't actually try to talk to RD about the ego problem at all. They bitch to each other on the side lines a bit and then jump in their big trick. They don't actually try a direct intervention at all.
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* What I don't get is why is the Mysterious Mare thing, the first thing the mane 5 try? I mean they don't actually try to talk to RD about the ego problem at all. They bitch lady to each other on the side lines a bit and then jump in their big trick. They don't actually try a direct intervention at all.
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* What were Twilight and the others snorting on the way to Canterlot? They see a posh, upperclass gathering going on and decide to gatecrash it, then seem to just lose it and act like obnoxious assholes. I would probably shrivel up and die if I had to admit to knowing them if it had been a college movie fratboy party they had interrupted, let alone the high-society soiree that it was. Pinkie... well, I've lost all hope of Pinkie ''ever'' learning a lesson in manners in the show, but the other four have no excuse for the way the behaved. Where was Fluttershy's inhibitions, where was Twilight's having grown up knowing all the expected ettiquette, where was Applejack and Rainbow Dash's having seen what was expected of them from the Gala.
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* What were Twilight and the others snorting on the way to Canterlot? They see a posh, upperclass gathering going on and decide to gatecrash it, then seem to just lose it and act like obnoxious assholes.bums. I would probably shrivel up and die if I had to admit to knowing them if it had been a college movie fratboy party they had interrupted, let alone the high-society soiree that it was. Pinkie... well, I've lost all hope of Pinkie ''ever'' learning a lesson in manners in the show, but the other four have no excuse for the way the behaved. Where was Fluttershy's inhibitions, where was Twilight's having grown up knowing all the expected ettiquette, where was Applejack and Rainbow Dash's having seen what was expected of them from the Gala.
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** I think you're completely correct in your initial assessment. That scene, and to a lesser extent the Grand Galloping Gala, really bugged me. My first thought on watching that scene was, "Holy s***, were every one of the Mane cast raised by wolves?" Pinkie Pie actually started redecorating. Step back from the show for a second and think about how assholish you'd have to be to go to somebody else's party and start changing the decorations. That's beyond mere obliviousness, and bordering on needing to get some professional help. Can you imagine rolling into your hypothetical college fratboy movie night, redecorating, and ''changing the music''? You probably wouldn't admit to knowing them, not because you'd feel like shriveling up, but because you'd be afraid of getting your ass kicked. Every one of them displayed a complete lack of etiquette, and (in Dennis Miller's words) I don't mean the kind of psychotic Emily Post lunacy where they don't know how to use the 85 Goddamn forks arrayed around their dinner plate. I mean like basic courtesy, and acknowledging the existance of others as separate beings with their own desires.
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** I think you're completely correct in your initial assessment. That scene, and to a lesser extent the Grand Galloping Gala, really bugged me. My first thought on watching that scene was, "Holy s***, were every one of the Mane cast raised by wolves?" Pinkie Pie actually started redecorating. Step back from the show for a second and think about how assholish you'd have to be to go to somebody else's party and start changing the decorations. That's beyond mere obliviousness, and bordering on needing to get some professional help. Can you imagine rolling into your hypothetical college fratboy movie night, redecorating, and ''changing the music''? You probably wouldn't admit to knowing them, not because you'd feel like shriveling up, but because you'd be afraid of getting your ass bum kicked. Every one of them displayed a complete lack of etiquette, and (in Dennis Miller's words) I don't mean the kind of psychotic Emily Post lunacy where they don't know how to use the 85 Goddamn Goddarn forks arrayed around their dinner plate. I mean like basic courtesy, and acknowledging the existance of others as separate beings with their own desires.
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*** If Twilight Sparkle was trolling, that actually makes it ''worse''. Trolling implies that it was deliberate, i.e., that she actually knew that she was being rude to the other guests and embarrassing to Rarity. (This leaves aside that trolls, at least as the internet uses the term nowadays, are just bullies that take advantage of anonymity to avoid retribution, rather than the jocks in high school who used muscle and reputation to escape the same. It's not an attractive character trait.) Remember, the only reason this had a happy ending is that it happened that Fancy Pants was cool about it. Rarity is trying to make it in the world of high fashion. I don't understand aesthetics or the appeal of fashion, but even I know that it's a highly reputational business. If Fancy Pants hadn't intervened--and Twilight had no way of knowing that he would--Rarity would be ''ruined''. The only thing she could have done with Carousel Boutique would have been to burn the place down and collect the insurance money. That doesn't make Twilight Sparkle a good understanding friend (the point of the episode), it makes her a passive-aggressive bitch. As far as being able to kick out the Garden Party, I doubt it. The Princess letting Twilight make use of an unused room in the palace isn't the same as being willing to kick out somebody who probably had a room reserved. Aside from the pure rudeness of throwing somebody's plans into disarray, it'd make the Princess look like a petty jerk, and I doubt she's ruled for 1000 years by yanking around important people for little to no reason.
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*** If Twilight Sparkle was trolling, that actually makes it ''worse''. Trolling implies that it was deliberate, i.e., that she actually knew that she was being rude to the other guests and embarrassing to Rarity. (This leaves aside that trolls, at least as the internet uses the term nowadays, are just bullies that take advantage of anonymity to avoid retribution, rather than the jocks in high school who used muscle and reputation to escape the same. It's not an attractive character trait.) Remember, the only reason this had a happy ending is that it happened that Fancy Pants was cool about it. Rarity is trying to make it in the world of high fashion. I don't understand aesthetics or the appeal of fashion, but even I know that it's a highly reputational business. If Fancy Pants hadn't intervened--and Twilight had no way of knowing that he would--Rarity would be ''ruined''. The only thing she could have done with Carousel Boutique would have been to burn the place down and collect the insurance money. That doesn't make Twilight Sparkle a good understanding friend (the point of the episode), it makes her a passive-aggressive bitch.lady. As far as being able to kick out the Garden Party, I doubt it. The Princess letting Twilight make use of an unused room in the palace isn't the same as being willing to kick out somebody who probably had a room reserved. Aside from the pure rudeness of throwing somebody's plans into disarray, it'd make the Princess look like a petty jerk, and I doubt she's ruled for 1000 years by yanking around important people for little to no reason.
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* There's a god-damned pair of stain-glass windows in the palace celebrating Luna's salvation and Discord's stoning, I just can't wrap my head around how EVERY SINGLE HIGH-CLASS SOCIALITE IN CANTERLOT could have missed the newspaper that was sure to follow the random Day/Night cycles from Discord, or the 17 hour night from Nightmare Moon. It can't be a government secret when the government decorates the freaking halls with it! For that matter, this obviously takes place AFTER the Gala in TBNE, where most likely everyone at the garden party MET Twilight firsthand. I don't expect them to know everypony by name, but at the very least I'd expect a "Oh horseapples, it's ''THEM'' again." facehoof from one of the Socialites.
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* There's a god-damned god-darned pair of stain-glass windows in the palace celebrating Luna's salvation and Discord's stoning, I just can't wrap my head around how EVERY SINGLE HIGH-CLASS SOCIALITE IN CANTERLOT could have missed the newspaper that was sure to follow the random Day/Night cycles from Discord, or the 17 hour night from Nightmare Moon. It can't be a government secret when the government decorates the freaking halls with it! For that matter, this obviously takes place AFTER the Gala in TBNE, where most likely everyone at the garden party MET Twilight firsthand. I don't expect them to know everypony by name, but at the very least I'd expect a "Oh horseapples, it's ''THEM'' again." facehoof from one of the Socialites.
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*** Alternatively, death of one big ass cut. If those spikes were either weaponry or armor, they were probably the toughest, most durable parts of his body, and the Wonderbolts cut through them like a hot knife through butter. If he hadn't ducked at the last second, he might have lost his head.
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*** Alternatively, death of one big ass bum cut. If those spikes were either weaponry or armor, they were probably the toughest, most durable parts of his body, and the Wonderbolts cut through them like a hot knife through butter. If he hadn't ducked at the last second, he might have lost his head.
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** Babies don't weight that much. And I'm guessing targeting yourself to telekinetically lift yourself if harder for non-babies to do.
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** Probably just a hint to the audience that this is the obligatory "Christmas Episode." At least they kept it totally in line with the setting and didn't have Pony Santa or anything like that.
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* Why would the Windigoes envelope the entire land in an endless blizzard? Wouldn't that kill everything and deprive them of nourishing hatred?
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* Why would the Windigoes envelope the entire land in an endless blizzard? Wouldn't that kill everything and deprive them of [[EmotionEater nourishing hatred?hatred]]?
** I'd say either because they can't ''not'' do that (they're doing it involuntarily), they need the cold to survive, or they like the cold and don't know that hypothermia exists.
** I'd say either because they can't ''not'' do that (they're doing it involuntarily), they need the cold to survive, or they like the cold and don't know that hypothermia exists.
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*** That, and for what it's worth, it's at least more understandable than [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSa5VZReBaM#t=5m38s several]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlGG-h0b-5E#t=8m59 instances]] that involved cheating on a TV show featuring a [[BarneyAndFriends certain purple dinosaur]] that I could mention.
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*** That, and for what it's worth, it's at least more understandable than [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSa5VZReBaM#t=5m38s several]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlGG-h0b-5E#t=8m59 instances]] that involved cheating on a TV show featuring a [[BarneyAndFriends [[Series/BarneyAndFriends certain purple dinosaur]] that I could mention.
