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** Perhaps in normal cases a baby dragon's mother would stop it from indulging the hoarding instinct and getting large before it's ready. His immaturity is also why he was hoarding worthless objects, a grown up dragon has enough self control to only pick the best for it's hoard.
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** It's entirely possible that Spike's loss of intelligence is due to his growth being unnaturally accelerated. If he had grown up the normal way, he'd probably have more control over himself. At least enough to limit his hoarding to items he'd actually have use for like gems.
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*** Both dragons were sentient enough to hold conversations and Basil (the red one) even had enough self-awareness to even feel bad after Fluttershy scolded him.
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** It's pretty commonly noticed, and an interesting point. I suppose someone needed to watch over her library in her absense? Maybe Twilight had a private birthday party with Spike first before leaving for Canterlot?
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** [[SarcasmMode Oh, I'm so terribly sorry for our laziness.]] Look, sometimes minor characters just don't catch out eye all that well or quickly, if your you're so interested in him why don't ''you'' make some fanart, you bastard.
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** I think this is probably his true adult form. He's likely a different species from the two winged dragons seen before, a wingless wurm of sorts. As for the rest, I think that every dragon probably feels an initial urge to collect (during which they grow to an enormous size) followed by a lifetime in which they mostly just protect their hoard. Regarding Spike collecting random mundane objects whereas the other dragons usually have hoards of gold and jewels, it could be any of three - Spike's species is less picky, or maybe the other two were from a time where gold and jewels were more readily found lying around, or maybe later on in life a dragon develops a special affection for precious metals and stones and starts replacing its hoard with them, presumably without any additional growth. As for mental functions, all adult dragons besides sea serpents seem to exhibit low intelligence, it's probable that it's normal for a dragon to lose sentience when its hoarding tendencies develop fully.
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* Spike and his hoard-induced growth spurts raise so many questions: Is there a point when adding more to the treasure pile won't cause additional growth? Is there an age when the compulsive hoarding and magical growing start? When they end? Does normal physical and mental growth happen alongside the unnatural spurts? Why are his mental functions deteriorated in this state? Does actual material value of the hoard affect anything? What is the purpose of them, a defense mechanism for fresh out of the nest dragons or what? Is that his "true" adult form, or just another distorted resize of his infantile form, like in Twilight's cutie mark story? You see the condition the implications have left me in.
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** [[SarcasmMode Oh, I'm so terribly sorry for our laziness.]] Look, sometimes minor characters just don't catch out eye all that well or quickly, if your so interested in him why don't ''you'' make some fanart, you bastard.
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*** Fortunately or not, I am. Roleplay fetish.
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*** ForgotICouldFly. There, I just explained this and every single instance similar to it that has or will happen in the series.
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** Would Celestia [[TheFogOfAges even remember]] how they behaved a thousand years ago, and did she even know Luna would act that way in public? The only other time we see her she acts completely differently. Either it was CharacterizationMarchesOn, or she simply doesn't act that hammy around her sister.
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** Semi-WordOfGod is that she's built up her magic reserves after being brought down close-to-normal by the Elements of Harmony.
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** Semi-WordOfGod WordOfDante is that she's built up her magic reserves after being brought down close-to-normal by the Elements of Harmony.
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* One explaination for a good half the fridge logic here is that the show has an anachronic order and the Gala simply hasn't happened yet. It's even said that the Gala was still coming up, and the mane cast probably wouldn't be that excited to go after what happened last time.
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** Perhaps she automatically teleports anything she's touching, so she'd just teleport the tree and rope with her as well.
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*** I don't think he ever explicitely explicitly said he would attack their weaknesses. He just said he knows them all, what he would do with this knowledge was up to him alone.
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*** I saw that too, at least with everyone but Fluttershy. He attacks Applejack with an uncomfortable "truth", he attacks Pinkie Pie by turning laughter into a negative, he hits Rarity with something she really adores to turn her into a selfish jerk, and he divides Rainbow Dash's loyalty to her town and to her friends. But with Fluttershy, he tries again and again (and fails) to get her to be unkind to her friends (talk about them behind their backs) but she NEVER DOES. And then he just hypnotizes her into being cruel. What gives? I feel like it was either an Ass Pull or a Deus Ex Machina. If the writers had gotten her to admit, even once, that her friends might not be perfect little angels, then I could see him abusing that chink in her armor... I dunno, I just feel it wasn't handled as well as it could have been.
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*** I saw that too, at least with everyone but Fluttershy. He attacks Applejack with an uncomfortable "truth", he attacks Pinkie Pie by turning laughter into a negative, he hits Rarity with something she really adores to turn her into a selfish jerk, and he divides Rainbow Dash's loyalty to her town and to her friends. But with Fluttershy, he tries again and again (and fails) to get her to be unkind to her friends (talk about them behind their backs) but she NEVER DOES. And then he just hypnotizes her into being cruel. What gives? I feel like it was either an Ass Pull AssPull or a Deus Ex Machina.DeusExMachina. If the writers had gotten her to admit, even once, that her friends might not be perfect little angels, then I could see him abusing that chink in her armor... I dunno, I just feel it wasn't handled as well as it could have been.
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** In regard to Twilight; Discord is actually even more devious about breaking her. Her element is magic. In this context friendship = magic. What better way for him to destroy her friendship than by making her think all of her friends have turned against her? There's no indication that she's aware that Discord corrupted everyone else (the grayness can be chalked up to RuleOfPerception), so as far as she knows, Rainbow Dash deliberately broke the rules of the game, and her friends are acting like jerks of their own free will. This could cause her to doubt her friendship, which results in the elements of harmony being rendered unusable, especially if Twilight rejects her friends without being under Discord's influence. Not to mention that it has the bonus of sticking it to Celestia. Discord is just the type of guy to rub in her face: "Oh, look at that. Your best student hates her friends now! And the best part? I didn't have to use my mind control to get her to do it!"
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** In regard regards to Twilight; Discord is actually even more devious about breaking her. Her element is magic. In this context friendship = magic. What better way for him to destroy her friendship than by making her think all of her friends have turned against her? There's no indication that she's aware that Discord corrupted everyone else (the grayness can be chalked up to RuleOfPerception), so as far as she knows, Rainbow Dash deliberately broke the rules of the game, and her friends are acting like jerks of their own free will. This could cause her to doubt her friendship, which results in the elements of harmony being rendered unusable, especially if Twilight rejects her friends without being under Discord's influence. Not to mention that it has the bonus of sticking it to Celestia. Discord is just the type of guy to rub in her face: "Oh, look at that. Your best student hates her friends now! And the best part? I didn't have to use my mind control to get her to do it!"
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around. Or [[LiterallyShatteredLives shatter it]] (provided that doesn't free him, of course).
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**** I think that's WordOfGod right there. Something corrupted Luna and weakened Discord's prison. I can't remember the details.
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* Did anyone else think that when Twilight Sparkle got corrupted, that she would become a techhead instead? After all, the obvious offense against Magic is...but my real Headscratcher comes from the lesson of this story; Friendship is hard, but if you work at it you will persevere. This is all well and good, but the problem rears its head when we look at the circumstances that their friendship is threatened. It was totally from an outside force for which they had no control over their actions and weren't acting in their frame of mind. If they had been lead into those corruptions from a sense of need to lie or be cruel or be greedy or grumpy in their own personalities, then one could argue that it was their personality and they could be held responsible, but not in this case.
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*** She definitely knew ''something'' was wrong, and that it was Discord's fault, but she pegged all her hopes on being able to befriend the crap out of him with the Element Cannon. When that failed, she just gave up until Celestia spammed her with her own letters. To more directly answer the opening 'scratcher, for all of Discord's MindRape, he was taking a trait that already existed and turning it [[UpToEleven up to about fifteen]]. As one WMG on the Mane Characters page put it, each of them (except possibly Rainbow Dash) had already acted against their Element at least once - all Discord did was let that part out to play for more than a CMFIS-induced CMFIS (Cutie Mark Failure Insanity Syndrome, in case you aren't in the know)-induced breakdown (OK, Applejack's lies were mainly to keep a surprise party secret). Meaning that yes, they ''were'' lead into those corruptions from their own flaws, just aggravated by Discord.
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*** Perhaps not the grumpiness per say, but certainly the hair-trigger temper and the obstinacy in assuming the worst in others' motivations were certainly established quite thoroughly by [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E25PartyOfOne Party of One]]. The stimulus is different (i.e. she becomes obsessively paranoid that everyone is laughing at her and don't really consider her a friend), but the symptoms are similar.
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*** Perhaps not the grumpiness per say, se, but certainly the hair-trigger temper {{hair-trigger temper}} and the obstinacy in assuming the worst in others' motivations were certainly established quite thoroughly by [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E25PartyOfOne Party of One]]. The stimulus is different (i.e. she becomes obsessively paranoid that everyone is laughing at her and don't really consider her a friend), but the symptoms are similar.
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*** Also, because we have yet to see Earth Ponies with any form of supernatural advantage that Pegasi or Unicorns have, it only makes sense for Discord to use that lack of current advantage to prove his point. What got to me in that episodewas why Rainbow Dash wasn't freaking out because her wings were gone? A huge part of her character goals hinge directly on the fact that she is a Pegasus.
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** A letter sent from Celestia to him personally, perhaps? After all, while he may not wield an Element of Harmony, he's still part of the friendship circle Twilight and the others make.
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**** So assuming they really couldn't at least try to befriend him because the ponies like the much more important element of acceptance, answer me this:
* Why couldn't Discord and Celestia have learned long ago to rule side by side? After all, she's "Harmony" and he is Chaos, and you really need chaos to create true harmony. Is the show trying to [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop teach kids to judge others and not be friends with people who aren't at all like you?]]
** Why are you so bent on putting leather pants on Discord? If you want a Family Friendly Explanation, then Celestia is wrong and Discord isn't Chaos incarnate: As his name indicates, he is DISCORD incarnate, AKA the OPPOSITE of harmony. One of the elements of harmony is friendship, so he befriending ''anyone'' would be against his own nature(True friendship, not the playful destruction he caused).
**** So assuming they really couldn't at least try to befriend him because the ponies like the much more important element of acceptance, answer me this:
* Why couldn't Discord and Celestia have learned long ago to rule side by side? After all, she's "Harmony" and he is Chaos, and you really need chaos to create true harmony. Is the show trying to [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop teach kids to judge others and not be friends with people who aren't at all like you?]]
** Why are you so bent on putting leather pants on Discord? If you want a Family Friendly Explanation, then Celestia is wrong and Discord isn't Chaos incarnate: As his name indicates, he is DISCORD incarnate, AKA the OPPOSITE of harmony. One of the elements of harmony is friendship, so he befriending ''anyone'' would be against his own nature(True friendship, not the playful destruction he caused).
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* So assuming they really couldn't at least try to befriend him because the ponies like the much more important element of acceptance, answer methis:
*this: Why couldn't Discord and Celestia have learned long ago to rule side by side? After all, she's "Harmony" and he is Chaos, and you really need chaos to create true harmony. Is the show trying to [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop teach kids to judge others and not be friends with people who aren't at all like you?]]
** Why are you so bent on [[DracoInLeatherPants putting leather pants onDiscord? Discord]]? If you want a Family Friendly Explanation, then Celestia is wrong and Discord isn't Chaos incarnate: As his name indicates, he is DISCORD incarnate, AKA the OPPOSITE of harmony. One of the elements of harmony is friendship, so he befriending ''anyone'' would be against his own nature(True nature (That is, true friendship, not the playful destruction he caused).
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* So assuming they really couldn't at least try to befriend him because the ponies like the much more important element of acceptance, answer me
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** Why are you so bent on [[DracoInLeatherPants putting leather pants on
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*** Gee, I must have never noticed when she performed an interprative dance every time before she cast any of her other spells. Oh wait, she didn't, because she '''just has to think hard enough''' to cast a spell. And maybe she did use a spell during the scene cut, it just didn't occur to her until 20 seconds later.
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**You just answered your own question. She was tied up, she couldn't cast any spells.
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** He's always had a tendency for excess, but nothing that I'd really call greed before. Stuffing his face with gems is more along the lines of gluttony than greed.
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** When? I don't remember him showing greed anywhere near this level before. He showed intense '''jealousy''' in a previous episode, but those aren't the same thing.
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* They introduced a pony who is very likely Twist's father and... absolutely no-one seems to care. Usually, when something like this happens, the fandom goes crazy, but I haven't actually seen anyone mention it.
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** There's one obvious answer, but I'm not going there.
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* Why did Cheerilee have a pimp hat?
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** Because Rainbow Dash didn't want to be the only pony with more than one pet.
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*** It actually makes sense; her element is Laughter, she wants to have fun regardless of the situation, the downside to it is that she doesn't know when to stop.
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*** I'm going to second "Lack of social awareness" and site the Swarm of the Century, Over a Barrel and Best Night Ever as further examples.
*** I'm going to second "Lack of social awareness" and site the Swarm of the Century, Over a Barrel and Best Night Ever as further examples.
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*** Heres a much simpler explanation. Twilight and Pinkie Pie are socially unaware, AJ and RD do not know how there supposed to act in high society events, and Fluttershy has spent lots of time alone or with animals. This is probably why they were all described as rustic.
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*** But the Best Young Flier's competition was a huge thing, even Celestia watched it every year. The entire crowd AND the Wonderbolts saw the Sonic Rainboom, not only that, but the Wonderbolts had their lives saved. It's highly unlikely that those events weren't big news across Equestria. Even if the upper class ponies didn't immediately recognize the name "Rainbow Dash", hearing about how Rarity was friends with the only known pony to do the Sonic Rainboom, and also happened to save the Wonderbolts lives, should've gotten her points like being friends with the Wonderbolt's trainer would've. My guess is that Rarity was nervous and couldn't immediately think up the real accomplishments her friends did.
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**** Uh, no. Prejudiced, definitely, but hardly "racist". And certainly not any more prejudiced than any other of the mane six in that episode. Is all this because of her accent, or what?
