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** Pretty sure even in real life, it's a case by case situation for if a cop will actually require counselling for shooting someone. And seeing as how both of them have killed criminals before (Notably in "Mr. Monk Gets Cabin Fever") as well as how there was no reason in this situation to believe that they're mentally unstable, there was no need for them to be on leave. Either way, ArtisticLicenseLawEnforcement is a thing.
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* How does Ambrose write a manual for a gun? Either he has never fired it (just the person I want with writing my manuals) or he has a shooting range in his house (seeing as how he is obsessed with keeping everything how it was, unlikely.)

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* How does Ambrose write a manual for a gun? Either he has never fired it (just the person I want with writing my manuals) or he has a shooting range in his house (seeing as how he is obsessed with keeping everything how it was, unlikely.)



* For that matter, medical examiners in San Fransisco must really suck if they've examined a woman supposedly bitten to death by a dog but don't notice anything weird about the lack of dog saliva or scratch marks or fur.

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* For that matter, medical examiners in San Fransisco Francisco must really suck if they've examined a woman supposedly bitten to death by a dog but don't notice anything weird about the lack of dog saliva or scratch marks or fur.



*** He was prepped (we see part of it onscreen), it just didn't go very well for Monk because of how aggressive Harrison Powell is during cross-examintions. I think he's only been called to testify once since the show started, and therefore since Trudy died, but more importantly he hasn't gone up against an "undefeated" guy.

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*** He was prepped (we see part of it onscreen), it just didn't go very well for Monk because of how aggressive Harrison Powell is during cross-examintions.cross-examinations. I think he's only been called to testify once since the show started, and therefore since Trudy died, but more importantly he hasn't gone up against an "undefeated" guy.



*** Monk ''has OCD and has many phobias''. He also demonstrates a variety of symptoms common to people with Asperger Syndrome (outdated diagnosis but appropriate to the show's timeline) and other variants of Autism (currently the official status for both is Autism Spectrum Disorder). All his behaviors together stretch believability to its limits. Monk is not autistic. But his mother was clearly portrayed as high functioning autistic and she raised her children as if they were also autistic. She was apparently the only parental influence on her children. These are huge environmental factors. Not unexpectedly, her children developed atypical behaviors. Monk's oddities were not crippling, until Trudy was murdered. We see and are told about Monk's behavior before; basically he was odd but not debilitated. All this add some degree of credibility. However, much of the show is wrong, wrongly, wrongfully, wrong wrongness. ''Much like anything else on TV''. People need to relax a bit and enjoy the show, within the confines of knowing it is inaccurate and requires an appropriate level of suspension of disbelief. I have ASD. There are very few characters I can relate to on TV. Fewer still that are successful (ultimately, Monk is successful from the very first episode). I love the show. What are some other characters I might choose to relate to? The Riddler, Dr. Jekyll, Norman Bates, Percy Wetmore, Charlie Brown, Walter Mitty, Gollum, Hannibal Lecter? How about have a little outrage against those characters instead? Ok, realistically there are some more positive examples. How about, uhm, Count von Count? *sigh*. BTW, OCD is not an illness and autism neither is a mental illness (look it up).

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*** Monk ''has OCD and has many phobias''. phobias.'' He also demonstrates a variety of symptoms common to people with Asperger Syndrome (outdated diagnosis but appropriate to the show's timeline) and other variants of Autism (currently the official status for both is Autism Spectrum Disorder). All his behaviors together stretch believability to its limits. Monk is not autistic. But his mother was clearly portrayed as high functioning high-functioning autistic and she raised her children as if they were also autistic. She was apparently the only parental influence on her children. These are huge environmental factors. Not unexpectedly, her children developed atypical behaviors. Monk's oddities were not crippling, until Trudy was murdered. We see and are told about Monk's behavior before; basically he was odd but not debilitated. All this add some degree of credibility. However, much of the show is wrong, wrongly, wrongfully, wrong wrongness. ''Much like anything else on TV''. People need to relax a bit and enjoy the show, within the confines of knowing it is inaccurate and requires an appropriate level of suspension of disbelief. I have ASD. There are very few characters I can relate to on TV. Fewer still that are successful (ultimately, Monk is successful from the very first episode). I love the show. What are some other characters I might choose to relate to? The Riddler, Dr. Jekyll, Norman Bates, Percy Wetmore, Charlie Brown, Walter Mitty, Gollum, Hannibal Lecter? How about have a little outrage against those characters instead? Ok, realistically there are some more positive examples. How about, uhm, Count von Count? *sigh*. BTW, OCD is not an illness and autism neither is a mental illness (look it up).



* In the Halloween episode "Mr. Monk Goes Home Again", Paul Gilstrap wants to kill his wife by poisoning a candy bar she is fond of, but he also poisons several other candy bars and puts them back into circulation so it looks like a serial killer committed the crime instead. The problem is that the poison he uses is a synthetic one from a lab that works in that it ''hasn't been released yet.'' if his plan had actually succeeded wouldn't he be the only person connected to the crime anyway? Especially since the rest of the candy bars could have been traced back to the grocery store close to his house. Also how does Ambrose identify the poison as being in insecticides if it hadn't been released yet?

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* In the Halloween episode "Mr. Monk Goes Home Again", Paul Gilstrap wants to kill his wife by poisoning a candy bar she is fond of, but he also poisons several other candy bars and puts them back into circulation so it looks like a serial killer committed the crime instead. The problem is that the poison he uses is a synthetic one from a lab that works in that it ''hasn't been released yet.'' if If his plan had actually succeeded succeeded, wouldn't he be the only person connected to the crime anyway? Especially since the rest of the candy bars could have been traced back to the grocery store close to his house. Also how does Ambrose identify the poison as being in insecticides if it hadn't been released yet?yet?
**The poison could simply have had a chemical resemblance to other commonly-used insecticides. Ambrose thus simply assumed that it was an (already) commercially-available insecticide.



* In "Mr. Monk's 100th Case," I do think that James Novak had a brilliant strategy with killing his girlfriend - strangle her and pass her death off as that of an active serial killer. However, wouldn't framing said killer only work if the guy were dead? It's bugging me a little bit, but I almost wonder if the original serial killer would have to be found and killed in order for him to be easier to frame for the fourth victim, as he would have been able to prove himself innocent of that murder if taken alive. It just makes me wonder whether Douglas Thurman really shot himself or he was shot by Novak before the SWAT team could break in, allowing a DeceasedFallGuyGambit to happen. Although yes it wouldn't make any sense if the guy hadn't left San Francisco and was still at the scene of his crime when Thurman was first sighted.

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* In "Mr. Monk's 100th Case," I do think that James Novak had a brilliant strategy with for killing his girlfriend - strangle her and pass her death off as that of an active serial killer. However, wouldn't framing said killer only work if the guy were dead? It's bugging me a little bit, but I almost wonder if the original serial killer would have to be found and killed in order for him to be easier to frame for the fourth victim, as he would have been able to prove himself innocent of that murder if taken alive. It just makes me wonder whether Douglas Thurman really shot himself or he was shot by Novak before the SWAT team could break in, allowing a DeceasedFallGuyGambit to happen. Although yes it wouldn't make any sense if the guy hadn't left San Francisco and was still at the scene of his crime when Thurman was first sighted.



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* In "Mr. Monk Takes a Punch," I can get that Stottlemeyer and Disher use lethal force on the Iceman because they have no choice. But why are they seen when the guy who had hired the Iceman is being arrested? Unless I'm wrong, I'm fairly certain the two would have been immediately placed on temporary administrative leave in real life so they could receive counseling.



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* In "Mr. Monk Takes a Punch," I can get that Stottlemeyer and Disher use lethal force on the Iceman because they have no choice. But why are they seen when the guy who had hired the Iceman is being arrested? Unless I'm wrong, I'm fairly certain the two would have been immediately placed on temporary administrative leave in real life so they could receive counseling.
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* In "Mr. Monk and the Earthquake", Sharona is working with a man who is killed by his wife (Christine Rutherford) after an earthquake. She later meets an Australian man on the street and they appear to fall in love. As it turns out, the Australian dude just wanted to get to Sharona's phone because when the phone lines re-opened after the earthquake, Sharona would receive a message from the main murder victim in the story which proved that Christine(whom the Australian guy was working with) had murdered him. While the murder victim was trying to leave the message, he says something like "Christine, what are you doing?" because the wife was about to hit him over the head with a vase and blame it on the aftermath of the earthquake. In the flashback, it shows that the wife shortly afterward discovered her husband's message to Sharona and realized it would be a problem. The problem is, the victim was never on the phone with Sharona in the introduction scene where he was killed by the wife. He was just walking around observing the damage from the earthquake. Why would Sharona receive a message from him?

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* In "Mr. Monk and the Earthquake", Sharona is working with a man who is killed by his wife (Christine Rutherford) after an earthquake. She later meets an Australian man on the street and they appear to fall in love. As it turns out, the Australian dude just wanted to get to Sharona's phone because when the phone lines re-opened after the earthquake, Sharona would receive a message from the main murder victim in the story which proved that Christine(whom Christine (whom the Australian guy was working with) had murdered him. While the murder victim was trying to leave the message, he says something like "Christine, what are you doing?" because the wife was about to hit him over the head with a vase and blame it on the aftermath of the earthquake. In the flashback, it shows that the wife shortly afterward discovered her husband's message to Sharona and realized it would be a problem. The problem is, the victim was never on the phone with Sharona in the introduction scene where he was killed by the wife. He was just walking around observing the damage from the earthquake. Why would Sharona receive a message from him?
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* In the episode "Mr Monk and The Wrong Man" DNA testing shows that the blood on the victims' fingernails does not belong to the guy who was put away. But that evidence does not an acquittal make! They must have had other evidence, right?

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* In the episode "Mr "Mr. Monk and The Wrong Man" DNA testing shows that the blood on the victims' fingernails does not belong to the guy who was put away. But that evidence does not an acquittal make! They must have had other evidence, right?



*** It's not so much what Martin was hit by the bolt itself, the story was that the bolt stuck the metal boat, and that in turn fried him through completing the circuit. Like the troper above says, I assume that being in a metal boat that's been hit by lightning would have way more voltage than being in a bathtub with a radio.

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*** It's not so much what that Martin was hit by the bolt itself, the story was that the bolt stuck the metal boat, and that in turn fried him through completing the circuit. Like the troper above says, I assume that being in a metal boat that's been hit by lightning would have way more voltage than being in a bathtub with a radio.



* In "Mr Monk Gets Cabin Fever" Disher says that he doesn't have any uncles. In "Mr Monk Visits a Farm" or whatever it's called, which I'm pretty sure takes place later, Disher's uncle is killed. Had Randy had a falling out with his uncle prior to "Mr Monk Gets Cabin Fever", or something?

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* In "Mr "Mr. Monk Gets Cabin Fever" Disher says that he doesn't have any uncles. In "Mr "Mr. Monk Visits a Farm" or whatever it's called, which I'm pretty sure takes place later, Disher's uncle is killed. Had Randy had a falling out with his uncle prior to "Mr "Mr. Monk Gets Cabin Fever", or something?



* In "Mr Monk and the earthquake", Sharona is working with a man who is killed by his wife (Christine Rutherford) after an earthquake. She later meets an Australian man on the street and they appear to fall in love. As it turns out, the Australian dude just wanted to get to Sharona's phone because when the phone lines re-opened after the earthquake, Sharona would receive a message from the main murder victim in the story which proved that Christine(whom the Australian guy was working with) had murdered him. While the murder victim was trying to leave the message, he says something like "Christine, what are you doing?" because the wife was about to hit him over the head with a vase and blame it on the aftermath of the earthquake. In the flashback, it shows that the wife shortly afterward discovered her husband's message to Sharona and realized it would be a problem. The problem is, the victim was never on the phone with Sharona in the introduction scene where he was killed by the wife. He was just walking around observing the damage from the earthquake. Why would Sharona receive a message from him?

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* In "Mr "Mr. Monk and the earthquake", Earthquake", Sharona is working with a man who is killed by his wife (Christine Rutherford) after an earthquake. She later meets an Australian man on the street and they appear to fall in love. As it turns out, the Australian dude just wanted to get to Sharona's phone because when the phone lines re-opened after the earthquake, Sharona would receive a message from the main murder victim in the story which proved that Christine(whom the Australian guy was working with) had murdered him. While the murder victim was trying to leave the message, he says something like "Christine, what are you doing?" because the wife was about to hit him over the head with a vase and blame it on the aftermath of the earthquake. In the flashback, it shows that the wife shortly afterward discovered her husband's message to Sharona and realized it would be a problem. The problem is, the victim was never on the phone with Sharona in the introduction scene where he was killed by the wife. He was just walking around observing the damage from the earthquake. Why would Sharona receive a message from him?
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** There's a reason CleanFoodPoisonedFork is a trope.
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*** Trevor's last name was Howe, not Fleming (Gail's last name is also Fleming, meaning it isn't Sharona's married name). Sharona kept her maiden name when she got married, and either gave Benjy her own name or changed his to Fleming when she left Trevor.
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* I was disappointed by the series finale, not cause it didn't make sense, it did. [[note]] After all, a judge could easily have access to criminals who could make and set a bomb. [[/note]] It's just, the fact that Dale the Whale had nothing to do with Trudy's murder, makes his entire rivalry with Monk a case of ShaggyDogStory. It would be like if Sherlock Holmes' famous "Last Stand" at Reichenbach Falls was with the villain from "the Blue Carbunkle" instead of Moriarty.
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** The dismemberment was simply to hide the body or at the very least, make the body unidentifiable. Unfortunately for him, a torso washed up on shore, which helped Monk identify the victim.
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** I didn't get blackmail vibes from her, but I guess Paul Harley figured you can never be too careful.
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* I never really understood the killer's motive in "Mr. Monk Gets Fired." The victim mentioned something about how she helped him hide some assets in his divorce case, so it's likely she was blackmailing him with this info, but it's never outright said, and anyway, that doesn't really justify ''dismembering her.''
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* I was disappointed by the series finale, not cause it didn't make sense, it did. [[note]] After all, a judge could easily have access to criminals who could make and set a bomb. [[/note]] It's just, the fact that Dale the Whale had nothing to do with Trudy's murder, makes his entire rivalry with Monk a case of ShaggyDogStory. It would be like if Sherlock Holmes' famous "Last Stand" at Reichenbach Falls was with the villain from "the Blue Carbunkle" instead of Moriarty.
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* The evil [[spoiler:paramedic]] Angeline Dilworth in "Mr. Monk and the Voodoo Curse". How are you going to hide that the person you brought in for swallowing a (possibly) poisonous substance just got decapitated, that there is blood on your scalpel and what not.
** How about mailing it to her in the first place? It worked on the other ones because [[spoiler:they were already dead and she didn't need to worry about screwing them up]], but Natalie was supposed to be ''decapitated''. How on earth was ''that'' supposed to be ensured? Natalie [[spoiler:getting sent to the hospital]] was pretty much entirely chance.
** I was wondering why not just let it be assumed (or even show up at the reverend's office and offer [[spoiler: her]] condolences, then drop an offhand "well, at least...") that it broke the curse, and she just happened to be poisoned by drinking an unguent instead of waiting for instructions? (aside from being totally insane, of course.)

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* The evil [[spoiler:paramedic]] paramedic Angeline Dilworth in "Mr. Monk and the Voodoo Curse". How are you going to hide that the person you brought in for swallowing a (possibly) poisonous substance just got decapitated, that there is blood on your scalpel and what not.
** How about mailing it to her in the first place? It worked on the other ones because [[spoiler:they they were already dead and she didn't need to worry about screwing them up]], up, but Natalie was supposed to be ''decapitated''. How on earth was ''that'' supposed to be ensured? Natalie [[spoiler:getting getting sent to the hospital]] hospital was pretty much entirely chance.
** I was wondering why not just let it be assumed (or even show up at the reverend's office and offer [[spoiler: her]] her condolences, then drop an offhand "well, at least...") that it broke the curse, and she just happened to be poisoned by drinking an unguent instead of waiting for instructions? (aside from being totally insane, of course.)



** This on top of the DoubleStandard of them ''assuming'' he's racist just because he's white. Of course, the maids [[spoiler: were also the culprits, so it may have just been a ploy to get him to back off so they don't get caught.]]

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** This on top of the DoubleStandard of them ''assuming'' he's racist just because he's white. Of course, the maids [[spoiler: were also the culprits, so it may have just been a ploy to get him to back off so they don't get caught.]]



* In "Mr. Monk's 100th Case," I do think that [[spoiler:James Novak]] had a brilliant strategy with killing his girlfriend - strangle her and pass her death off as that of an active serial killer. However, wouldn't framing said killer only work if the guy were dead? It's bugging me a little bit, but I almost wonder if the original serial killer would have to be found and killed in order for him to be easier to frame for the fourth victim, as he would have been able to prove himself innocent of that murder if taken alive. It just makes me wonder whether [[spoiler:Douglas Thurman]] really shot himself or he was shot by [[spoiler:Novak]] before the SWAT team could break in, allowing a DeceasedFallGuyGambit to happen. Although yes it wouldn't make any sense if the guy hadn't left San Francisco and was still at the scene of his crime when Thurman was first sighted.

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* In "Mr. Monk's 100th Case," I do think that [[spoiler:James Novak]] James Novak had a brilliant strategy with killing his girlfriend - strangle her and pass her death off as that of an active serial killer. However, wouldn't framing said killer only work if the guy were dead? It's bugging me a little bit, but I almost wonder if the original serial killer would have to be found and killed in order for him to be easier to frame for the fourth victim, as he would have been able to prove himself innocent of that murder if taken alive. It just makes me wonder whether [[spoiler:Douglas Thurman]] Douglas Thurman really shot himself or he was shot by [[spoiler:Novak]] Novak before the SWAT team could break in, allowing a DeceasedFallGuyGambit to happen. Although yes it wouldn't make any sense if the guy hadn't left San Francisco and was still at the scene of his crime when Thurman was first sighted.
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** It's later revealed that Adrian's been having trouble sleeping because of all the sex his neighbor, Kevin Dorfman, has been having with his new girlfriend. Because he was tired, he didn't realize the lottery clue until mere minutes before it was too late. Reasonable to say that he missed the lipstick clue due to being tired as well.
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* Maybe Leight got the ambassador to make the switch, and his own paranoia led him to shoot them anyway?

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** It's surprising that none of the bailiffs or the judge seem to recognize Monk. Given how often he participates in criminal cases, the judge and baliffs at least should be familiar with him enough to give special instructions to the jury.

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** It's surprising that none of the bailiffs or the judge seem to recognize Monk. Given how often he participates in criminal cases, the judge and baliffs bailiffs at least should be familiar with him enough to give special instructions to the jury.



** Well, the guy Monk was impersonating was an alleged hit man (keep in mind the FBI agent states clearly that they've linked this hit man to 17 murders, but they have no solid evidence against him), and he tried to keep his stuff undercover. Monk is a well known detective, so it must have been easy for the mobster to just say "Hey, we look the same, but we're different people. Imagine that." Monk might've just done the same, like he tried to in that episode when he was recognized. The other mobsters might've done a search on this "Adrian Monk" and figured, "Hey, what a coincidence." Then again, why they couldn't show that...or why they wouldn't be even more suspicious that he was acting different around the time they discovered he has a doppelganger...well...

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** Well, the guy Monk was impersonating was an alleged hit man (keep in mind the FBI agent states clearly that they've linked this hit man to 17 murders, but they have no solid evidence against him), and he tried to keep his stuff undercover. Monk is a well known well-known detective, so it must have been easy for the mobster to just say "Hey, we look the same, but we're different people. Imagine that." Monk might've just done the same, like he tried to in that episode when he was recognized. The other mobsters might've done a search on this "Adrian Monk" and figured, "Hey, what a coincidence." Then again, why they couldn't show that...or why they wouldn't be even more suspicious that he was acting different around the time they discovered he has a doppelganger...well...



** Monk has always had OCD from birth, and managed to control it to some extent as a kid. When he met Trudy her influence helped him to control his OCD even better appearing to most people to have beaten it and any new acquaintances wouldn't have noticed. With the trauma of Trudy's death though, the OCD came roaring back (having taken several levels in badass) to it's current overpowering level.

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** Monk has always had OCD from birth, and managed to control it to some extent as a kid. When he met Trudy her influence helped him to control his OCD even better appearing to most people to have beaten it and any new acquaintances wouldn't have noticed. With the trauma of Trudy's death though, the OCD came roaring back (having taken several levels in badass) to it's its current overpowering level.
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* In "Mr. Monk Takes Manhattan" the murderer manages to get the drop on the ambassador and his bodyguards. Fine. But then ince the whole plot is revealed, we're supposed to believe that he then managed to remove the coat from a corpse and then redress it in ''under a second''? And this isn't the editing skipping over events, either; the audience is present for the murder, and there is no time between the gunshots and the murderer fleeing the scene.

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* In "Mr. Monk Takes Manhattan" the murderer manages to get the drop on the ambassador and his bodyguards. Fine. But then ince once the whole plot is revealed, we're supposed to believe that he then managed to remove the coat from a corpse and then redress it in ''under a second''? And this isn't the editing skipping over events, either; the audience is present for the murder, and there is no time between the gunshots and the murderer fleeing the scene.scene.
* Maybe Leight got the ambassador to make the switch, and his own paranoia led him to shoot them anyway?
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* In "Mr. Monk Takes Manhattan" the murderer manages to get the drop on the ambassador and his bodyguards. Fine. But then ince the whole plot is revealed, we're supposed to believe that he then managed to remove the coat from a corpse and then redress it in ''under a second''? And this isn't the editing skipping over events, either; the audience is present for the murder, and there is no time between the gunshots and the murderer fleeing the scene.
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[[folder: They Wasted a Perfectly Good Connection]]
* So what did Dale the Whale have to do with Trudy's death?
** He knew whodunit. It was never stated explicitly that he had any importance other than knowledge, but I expect that he would have been revealed as more closely related to the crime or the perpetrator(s) had the writing team been given [[LongRunners the time they probably wanted]] to wrap up the series.
*** Actually, he knew one name...the man who built the bomb for the [[spoiler: "six-fingered freak"]]. Dale the Whale didn't know just how deep it went or how many people were involved.
*** In "Mr. Monk Is On The Run", he used the [[spoiler: "six-fingered man"]] to commit a crime and frame Monk. When he learned this man's identity is still not known.
*** It was heavily implied that the reason he divulged the man's identity wasn't to get a window in his cell[[note]]one of several ''Silence of the Lambs'' references, I believe, due to Ted Levene being on the show[[/note]] but as part of a long game to get revenge on Monk.
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** And to be fair, when people hear "poison", food and beverage are usually what they're thinking of.
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* The penultimate episode's ending. It makes Monk seem... weak to just resign like that because of something that has happened in at least every other episode and painfully reeked of StatusQuoIsGod in what was otherwise a season of growth (and the stats quo really shouldn't matter in the penultimate episode).
** ''He'' realized that he wasn't ready to be a policeman. The life or death situation was just the final push.
** He didn't resign because of that. He was unhappy with the kind of work he was assigned to do. C'mon, that point received ample treatment in the episode. He talked about it with Natalie and with Dr Bell.
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[[folder: Unwarranted]]
* The finale was really screwy regarding Ethan Rickover's judgeship. They go over to his house to have him sign a search warrant, and he mentions that he might not be doing that any more, because he's been nominated for the California Supreme Court. But later on, they talk about his appointment to the Court of Appeals, so he shouldn't be signing search warrants any more. He also says talks about how the Supreme Court appointment might force him to move to Sacramento, but the California Supreme Court is based in San Francisco. And then, he refers to himself as a "federal judge". So even if he became a federal judge after sitting on the Court of Appeals, he wouldn't be signing search warrants for the San Francisco police.
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[[folder: Hold your Fir(ing)]]
* How has Monk not fired Natalie? It seems like at least every other week, she forces him into a situation that he's not comfortable in or screws something up because of a mistake that she makes.
** Because no one else will put up with him.
** If Monk rejected anyone who'd ever put him in a situation that he was uncomfortable with, he'd never talk to anyone ever.
*** Yeah, but she does it on a biweekly basis, and he pays her.
*** What situation ''is'' Monk comfortable in? Plus, OCD just gets worse if you start listening to someone describe it. I'm pretty sure that Monk and Natalie have had a number of experiences where this has happened.
*** Also he doesn't pay her very ''well'', as has been documented a few times (for instance, in the first scene of "Mr. Monk and the Genius," Natalie screams when Monk refuses to give her $1,800 in backpay). This is probably part of why.
** If Natalie, or Sharona for that matter, never pushed Monk to be uncomfortable, they would be enablers of his OCD. Despite Monk's fondness for routine and sameness, deep down he doesn't want to be rendered helpless by the disorder, so even if he gets mad at his assistants for pushing him, he still keeps them around. Besides which, without uncomfortable situations, his character would never grow.
** The cultural convention that an employee must constantly please his or her boss is rooted in the fact that under normal circumstances an employee can be easily replaced. Monk's situation totally upends that dynamic. We see how hard it is for him to find a replacement for Sharona after she leaves--he's practically on the brink of another breakdown, and his discovering Natalie at just the right moment is a stroke of good luck for him. All that said, we see throughout the show that he can still be a pretty crappy boss, and in his arguments with Sharona and Natalie he usually ends up getting his way due to his deceptively strong personality.

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* How has Monk not fired Natalie? It seems like at least every other week, she forces him into a situation that he's not comfortable in or screws something up because of a mistake that she makes.
** Because no one else will put up with him.
** If Monk rejected anyone who'd ever put him in a situation that he was uncomfortable with, he'd never talk to anyone ever.
*** Yeah, but she does it on a biweekly basis, and he pays her.
*** What situation ''is'' Monk comfortable in? Plus, OCD just gets worse if you start listening to someone describe it. I'm pretty sure that
In the episode "Mr Monk and Natalie The Wrong Man" DNA testing shows that the blood on the victims' fingernails does not belong to the guy who was put away. But that evidence does not an acquittal make! They must have had a number of experiences where this has happened.
*** Also he doesn't pay her very ''well'', as has been documented a few times (for instance, in
other evidence, right?
** A moonbat did it?
** Maybe
the first scene of "Mr. Monk and the Genius," Natalie screams when Monk refuses to give her $1,800 in backpay). This is probably part of why.
** If Natalie, or Sharona for
case rested on that matter, physical evidence.
** It's an acquittal if the jury believes it's good enough for an acquittal. And most juries tend to regard DNA evidence as nigh-unquestionable unless it's explained away somehow. Clearly the prosecution failed to do so.
** First it was revision so less scrupulous inspection and second the witness said no one listened to her testimony so yes all they had is one guy entered and kill people and
never pushed Monk to mentioned two murderers.
** In real life, Max Barton wouldn't
be uncomfortable, they immediately released. What would happen is that he would be enablers of his OCD. Despite Monk's fondness for routine and sameness, deep down he doesn't want to be rendered helpless by granted a new trial with the disorder, so even if he gets mad at his assistants for pushing him, he still keeps them around. Besides which, without uncomfortable situations, his character would never grow.
** The cultural convention
DNA evidence excluded. Considering all the other evidence Monk outlined that an employee must constantly please his or her boss is rooted in the fact that under normal circumstances an employee can be easily replaced. Monk's situation totally upends that dynamic. We see how hard it is for led him to find a replacement for Sharona after she leaves--he's practically on the brink of another breakdown, and his discovering Natalie at just the right moment is a stroke of good luck for him. All that said, we see throughout the show that he can Barton, Barton would still be a pretty crappy boss, and in his arguments with Sharona and Natalie he usually ends up getting his way due to his deceptively strong personality.convicted.



[[folder: Reasonable Accommodations]]
* On a related note to the previous item, why does it seem like everyone decides that bit part characters' small quirks override the importance of Monk's OCD? For example, "Mr. Monk and the Three Pies", during the scene where Adrian and Sharona are at the bingo game: The bingo addict refuses to stop pestering Adrian until he pets the grimy troll doll with its hair - all greasy with the dirt and oils from his hands. Sharona tells him to just pet the troll so that the guy will leave them alone, and when Adrian does so using his sleeve, the guy starts ''screaming'' that he pet the troll too hard. And this isn't even the worst example, just the first one I thought of. It would be understandable if it were a neurotic witness or a hostage situation Monk was dealing with, but really? ''Every'' bit part character that wants him to do something disgusting for no valid reason gets their way when Natalie, Sharona, or Stottlemeyer bully him into doing so.
** Possibly Dr. Kroger told Stottlemeyer and Sharona which parts of his disorder were okay to indulge him in and which weren't, and maybe Sharona left instructions when she left.
** What if the guy quirks were even ''more'' important than Monk OCD? Is Monk the only man in the world with mental issues so anyone must indulge him but never the other way around.
* Conversely with that. Actually this should be a pretty big Headscratcher here: Why is Monk basically forced to do what even by mentally healthy standards are pretty unclean or dangerous. In the pilot episode Monk must face his mysophobia by climbing down into an ''open sewer'' to chase and attempt to apprehend a suspect. In another the before mentioned troll petting. With "Mr. Monk and the Astronaut," Monk is considered a "coward" for not physically confronting Steve Wagner, who has an unbreakable alibi, however is considered brave after stopping Wagner from taking off by standing in front of a '''Still moving SUPERSONIC JET FIGHTER''' and not even flinching despite all the dots from the laser scopes on soldiers' guns appearing on him.
** He is not forced, he can let criminals run away and people die if he wants to, he just doesn't want to.
** A similar situation again when (while investigating the death of a martial arts star) Monk is (again) perceived as "crippled by his own fear" even when the possible suspects have years of lethal martial arts training and experience which Monk doesn't have. While Monk's SuperOCD is undeniable it appears that the requirement for Monk to receive a bill of "full mental health" is unconceivable for anyone to truly accomplish. Is Monk in a universe of Creator/ChuckNorris's or something were tasks like this are required and commonplace?? Can anyone really answer this?
** Those are the incidents that almost get him reinstated. These are then followed by incidents where Monk does something like accidentally wipe out ten years of case files by accident, or let a suspect get away because he can't follow down a certain path. Also, at the moment, he is paralyzed by even basic decisions. While he is able to overcome his compulsions, it takes extreme events to do so, and that is not something you want for a police officer.
* In "Mr. Monk and the Missing Granny," the test he took when the law students found him a loophole is a good example...he spent all his time on one question despite the fact that he probably knew all the answers on the test immediately, probably because he wanted to do things the right way.
** When the show aired, from 2002 to 2009, the general public understood things like OCD a lot. In fact, ''Monk'' was probably responsible for pushing OCD out into the public spotlight. It's not surprising that people don't take his issues too seriously, they probably find it weird and a bit annoying at times, considering that the old "just get over it" line probably got trotted out a lot. It's like depression. In the 1990s and 2000s, it wasn't taken seriously and you'd have heard "why don't you just cheer up" a lot more as if it was the sick person's fault or choice. These days there'd be more understanding and empathy and it would be portrayed differently on TV.

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Get Your Shots]]
* On a related note to In the previous item, why does it seem like everyone decides that bit part characters' small quirks override the importance of Monk's OCD? For example, episode "Mr. Monk and the Three Pies", during the scene where Adrian and Sharona are at the bingo game: The bingo addict refuses to stop pestering Adrian until he pets the grimy troll doll with its hair - all greasy with the dirt and oils from his hands. Sharona tells him to just pet the troll so that the guy will leave them alone, and when Adrian does so using his sleeve, the guy starts ''screaming'' that he pet the troll too hard. And this isn't even the worst example, just the first one I thought of. It would be understandable if it were a neurotic witness or a hostage situation Gets Fired" Monk was dealing with, but really? ''Every'' bit part character that wants him to do something disgusting for no valid reason gets their way when Natalie, Sharona, or Stottlemeyer bully him into doing so.
** Possibly Dr. Kroger told Stottlemeyer and Sharona which parts of his disorder were okay to indulge him in and which weren't, and maybe Sharona left instructions when she left.
** What if
identifies the guy quirks were even ''more'' important than Monk OCD? Is Monk dismembered body as the only man in the world with mental issues so anyone must indulge him but never the other way around.
* Conversely with that. Actually this should be
body of Larysa Zereyva, a pretty big Headscratcher here: Why is Monk basically forced to do what even by mentally healthy standards are pretty unclean or dangerous. In the pilot episode Monk must face his mysophobia by climbing down into an ''open sewer'' to chase and attempt to apprehend a suspect. In another the woman born before mentioned troll petting. With "Mr. Monk and 1978 in one of the Astronaut," Monk is considered a "coward" for not physically confronting Steve Wagner, who has an unbreakable alibi, however is considered brave after stopping Wagner from taking off by standing in front of a '''Still moving SUPERSONIC JET FIGHTER''' and not even flinching despite all the dots from the laser scopes on soldiers' guns appearing on him.
** He is not forced, he can let criminals run away and people die if he wants to, he just doesn't want to.
** A similar situation again when (while investigating the death of a martial arts star) Monk is (again) perceived as "crippled by his own fear" even when the possible suspects have years of lethal martial arts training and experience which Monk doesn't have. While Monk's SuperOCD is undeniable it appears that the requirement for Monk to receive a bill of "full mental health" is unconceivable for anyone to truly accomplish. Is Monk in a universe of Creator/ChuckNorris's
Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia or something were tasks like this are required and commonplace?? Can anyone really answer this?
** Those are the incidents that almost get him reinstated. These are then followed by incidents where Monk does something like accidentally wipe out ten years of case files by accident, or let a suspect get away
Lithuania), because he can't follow down the corpse has a certain path. Also, smallpox vaccination scar and they stopped vaccinating in the Baltic states in 1978. In Poland the routine vaccination of babies continued until 1980, as my own scar bears witness. I could not find any data on it, but I guess in a few other countries the vaccination programme lasted longer than in the USA.
** Couldn't find the data either, but since smallpox was proclaimed eradicated only in 1980, and USSR (which the present Baltic states were part of
at the moment, he is paralyzed by even basic decisions. While he is able to overcome his compulsions, it takes extreme events to do so, and time) was one of the proponents of the Smallpox Eradication Programme, it's likely that is not something you want for a police officer.
* In "Mr. Monk and the Missing Granny," the test he took when the law students found him a loophole is a good example...he spent all his time on one question despite the fact that he probably knew all the answers on the test immediately, probably because he wanted to do things the right way.
** When the show aired, from 2002 to 2009, the general public understood things like OCD a lot. In fact, ''Monk'' was probably responsible for pushing OCD out into the public spotlight. It's not surprising that people don't take his issues too seriously,
they probably find it weird and a bit annoying continued there until at times, considering that least 1980 as well.
** If
the old "just get over it" line probably got trotted out a lot. It's like depression. In the 1990s and 2000s, it vaccine wasn't taken seriously and you'd have heard "why don't you just cheer up" a lot more as if it was administered before the sick person's fault or choice. These days there'd be more understanding and empathy and it would be portrayed differently on TV. age of 2, the timeline works.



[[folder: DN-Error]]
* In the episode "Mr Monk and The Wrong Man" DNA testing shows that the blood on the victims' fingernails does not belong to the guy who was put away. But that evidence does not an acquittal make! They must have had other evidence, right?
** A moonbat did it?
** Maybe the case rested on that physical evidence.
** It's an acquittal if the jury believes it's good enough for an acquittal. And most juries tend to regard DNA evidence as nigh-unquestionable unless it's explained away somehow. Clearly the prosecution failed to do so.
** First it was revision so less scrupulous inspection and second the witness said no one listened to her testimony so yes all they had is one guy entered and kill people and never mentioned two murderers.
** In real life, Max Barton wouldn't be immediately released. What would happen is that he would be granted a new trial with the DNA evidence excluded. Considering all the other evidence Monk outlined that led him to Barton, Barton would still be convicted.

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* In
Mr. Monk's Brother and the episode "Mr Monk and The Wrong Man" DNA testing shows that the blood on the victims' fingernails Gun Manual]]
* How
does not belong to Ambrose write a manual for a gun? Either he has never fired it (just the guy person I want with writing my manuals) or he has a shooting range in his house (seeing as how he is obsessed with keeping everything how it was, unlikely.)
** He was probably just given all of the relevant information and asked to put it in the form of a manual. And possibly to translate it. After all, that's how it's probably done in real life - they would use experts in the field of writing things like manuals and instruction guides, rather than experts in, say, guns.
** As someone
who was has written manuals they provide you with the information from whoever designed and how it works and you put away. But that evidence does not an acquittal make! They must it in Captain Dummy Talk. I'd say at least half the time I didn't have had other evidence, right?
** A moonbat did it?
** Maybe
the case rested on that physical evidence.
**
actual product available, just rough instructions, pictures, and sometimes videos. It's an acquittal if cheaper to mail (or e-mail nowadays) the jury believes it's good enough for an acquittal. And most juries tend information than it is to regard DNA evidence as nigh-unquestionable unless it's explained away somehow. Clearly ship something like a vacuum cleaner.
** Agreeing with
the prosecution failed to do so.
** First it was revision so less scrupulous inspection and second the witness said no one listened to her testimony so yes all they had is one guy entered and kill people and never mentioned two murderers.
** In real life, Max Barton wouldn't be
troper immediately released. What would happen is that he would be granted a new trial with above me. I've written manuals for software without having used it -- sometimes before it even exists. With the DNA evidence excluded. Considering all right specs, a little research, and someone doing the other evidence Monk outlined that led him to Barton, Barton would still be convicted. actual QA going over it later, it's easy.
** Sometime he is just translating those too.



[[folder: Get Your Shots]]
* In the episode "Mr. Monk Gets Fired" Monk identifies the dismembered body as the body of Larysa Zereyva, a woman born before 1978 in one of the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania), because the corpse has a smallpox vaccination scar and they stopped vaccinating in the Baltic states in 1978. In Poland the routine vaccination of babies continued until 1980, as my own scar bears witness. I could not find any data on it, but I guess in a few other countries the vaccination programme lasted longer than in the USA.
** Couldn't find the data either, but since smallpox was proclaimed eradicated only in 1980, and USSR (which the present Baltic states were part of at the time) was one of the proponents of the Smallpox Eradication Programme, it's likely that they continued there until at least 1980 as well.
** If the vaccine wasn't administered before the age of 2, the timeline works.

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[[folder: Get Your Shots]]
Gambling on Monk's Abilities]]
* In the episode How is it in "Mr. Monk Gets Fired" Goes to Vegas" that everyone was opposed to Monk identifies gambling? He's got virtually perfect eidetic memory. He could be earning hundreds of thousands on blackjack tables. What is especially mind boggling is that Natalie was the dismembered body as most avid supporter of the body of Larysa Zereyva, a woman born "don't gamble" idea. She was complaining an episode or two before 1978 in one of the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania), because the corpse has a smallpox vaccination scar and they stopped vaccinating in the Baltic states in 1978. In Poland the routine vaccination of babies continued until 1980, as my own scar bears witness. I could not find any data on it, but I guess in a few other countries the vaccination programme lasted longer than in the USA.
** Couldn't find the data either, but since smallpox was proclaimed eradicated only in 1980, and USSR (which the present Baltic states were part of at the time) was one of the proponents of the Smallpox Eradication Programme, it's likely
that they continued there until at least 1980 as well.
Monk doesn't pay her enough money, how is that supposed to make sense?
** If the vaccine Because Natalie was an ex-gambling addict and so, she knew better. The problem wasn't administered before the age of 2, fact that Monk could cheat his way onto millions, but the timeline works.fact that (if I recall correctly) his OCD causes him to display traits of a life-time gambling addict while he was still only trying to pay-up Randy's pathetically low (in comparison to the money Monk could make) debt of $30,000.
*** That and I'm sure Monk has numerous tells.
*** Which would be relevant if Monk was playing poker...
*** It's even mentioned in ''Mr. Monk in Outer Space'' that Monk is not a good person about hiding his feelings in his body language.
** Well, Monk does have a little something called ''Obsessive Compulsive Disorder''. Maybe they feel combining gambling with his OCD is a bad idea?
*** This does make sense. The ideal number to get in Blackjack is 21, an odd number. Monk hates odd numbers.
*** There's also the fact that getting caught counting cards in a casino is a good way to get kicked out. Which in a way, happens.
** Eidetic memory means jack shit when Monk decides to play roulette and other game because of how quick he gets obsessed, and also he is obviously counting cards so casino can tell him to just not play blackjack.



[[folder: Mr. Monk's Brother and the Gun Manual]]
* How does Ambrose write a manual for a gun? Either he has never fired it (just the person I want with writing my manuals) or he has a shooting range in his house (seeing as how he is obsessed with keeping everything how it was, unlikely.)
** He was probably just given all of the relevant information and asked to put it in the form of a manual. And possibly to translate it. After all, that's how it's probably done in real life - they would use experts in the field of writing things like manuals and instruction guides, rather than experts in, say, guns.
** As someone who has written manuals they provide you with the information from whoever designed and how it works and you put it in Captain Dummy Talk. I'd say at least half the time I didn't have the actual product available, just rough instructions, pictures, and sometimes videos. It's cheaper to mail (or e-mail nowadays) the information than it is to ship something like a vacuum cleaner.
** Agreeing with the troper immediately above me. I've written manuals for software without having used it -- sometimes before it even exists. With the right specs, a little research, and someone doing the actual QA going over it later, it's easy.
** Sometime he is just translating those too.

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* In "Mr. Monk
and the Gun Manual]]
* How does Ambrose write a manual for a gun? Either he has never fired it (just
Red Herring" how come the person I want with writing my manuals) or security guards were searching people if ''they weren't supposed to realize the moon rock was missing''? And the bad guy worked there, so he has shouldn't have been surprised about the guards if it was a shooting range in routine thing.
** It slipped
his house (seeing mind maybe? Or perhaps the people in charge had changed their minds?
** What museum do you go to that frisks you
as how he is obsessed with keeping everything how it was, unlikely.)
you leave?
** He Perhaps there was probably another unrelated theft that the writers just given all of forgot to mention to the relevant information and asked to put it in the form of a manual. And possibly to translate it. After all, that's how it's probably done in real life - they would use experts in the field of writing things like manuals and instruction guides, rather than experts in, say, guns.
** As someone who has written manuals they provide you with the information from whoever designed and how it works and you put it in Captain Dummy Talk. I'd say at least half the time I didn't have the actual product available, just rough instructions, pictures, and sometimes videos. It's cheaper to mail (or e-mail nowadays) the information than it
audience which is to ship something like a vacuum cleaner.
** Agreeing with the troper immediately above me. I've written manuals for software without having used it -- sometimes before it even exists. With the right specs, a little research, and someone doing the actual QA going over it later, it's easy.
** Sometime he is just translating those too.
why everyone was being searched?



[[folder: Insubordinate Sharona]]
* Episode 2x04. Monk tells Sharona to 'suck it up' in regards to her elephant phobia. Sharona gets all pissy about it and it seems justified - it's a hypocrisy of staggering magnitude. But sorry, Sharona, you're not in an equal relationship. He's your boss. So, yes, you either suck it up or you find another job.
** Of course, cause authority figures have all right to be abusive and can never be contested. Puff...
** That's just the kind of character she is. As the first episode with Natalie instead of Sharona suggests, he figured no one else would take the job. And she probably realized the same thing.
** Well, yes, technically Monk is her boss, but part of her job description is helping Monk learn to manage his OCD and function in normal society. So in the long run what she did was probably a ''good'' thing for Monk. It taught him a lesson about life in the real world that he obviously needed.
** Also, just because Monk's her boss doesn't give him license to be a hypocrite and an asshole about things. Sharona's got a perfect right to be pissy about Monk dismissing one of her phobias out of hand like that.

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Coroner Failed a Spot Check?]]
* Episode 2x04. Monk tells Sharona For that matter, medical examiners in San Fransisco must really suck if they've examined a woman supposedly bitten to 'suck it up' in regards to her elephant phobia. Sharona gets all pissy death by a dog but don't notice anything weird about it and it seems justified - it's a hypocrisy of staggering magnitude. But sorry, Sharona, you're not in an equal relationship. He's your boss. So, yes, you either suck it up or you find another job.
** Of course, cause authority figures have all right to be abusive and can never be contested. Puff...
** That's just
the kind lack of character she is. As the first episode with Natalie instead of Sharona suggests, dog saliva or scratch marks or fur.
** The guy did kidnap her dog for a while,
he figured no one else would take the job. And she probably realized the same thing.
** Well, yes, technically Monk is her boss, but part of her job description is helping Monk learn to manage his OCD
took fur and function in normal society. So in the long run what she did was probably a ''good'' thing for Monk. saliva from it then.
**
It taught him a lesson about life in the real world never says he did. It only said he made that he obviously needed.
** Also, just because Monk's her boss doesn't give him license to be a hypocrite and an asshole about things. Sharona's got a perfect right to be pissy about Monk dismissing one of her phobias
mold out of hand like that. the dog's jaws.
** Dogs do shed and slobber.



[[folder: Gambling on Monk's Abilities]]
* How is it in "Mr. Monk Goes to Vegas" that everyone was opposed to Monk gambling? He's got virtually perfect eidetic memory. He could be earning hundreds of thousands on blackjack tables. What is especially mind boggling is that Natalie was the most avid supporter of the "don't gamble" idea. She was complaining an episode or two before that Monk doesn't pay her enough money, how is that supposed to make sense?
** Because Natalie was an ex-gambling addict and so, she knew better. The problem wasn't the fact that Monk could cheat his way onto millions, but the fact that (if I recall correctly) his OCD causes him to display traits of a life-time gambling addict while he was still only trying to pay-up Randy's pathetically low (in comparison to the money Monk could make) debt of $30,000.
*** That and I'm sure Monk has numerous tells.
*** Which would be relevant if Monk was playing poker...
*** It's even mentioned in ''Mr. Monk in Outer Space'' that Monk is not a good person about hiding his feelings in his body language.
** Well, Monk does have a little something called ''Obsessive Compulsive Disorder''. Maybe they feel combining gambling with his OCD is a bad idea?
*** This does make sense. The ideal number to get in Blackjack is 21, an odd number. Monk hates odd numbers.
*** There's also the fact that getting caught counting cards in a casino is a good way to get kicked out. Which in a way, happens.
** Eidetic memory means jack shit when Monk decides to play roulette and other game because of how quick he gets obsessed, and also he is obviously counting cards so casino can tell him to just not play blackjack.

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[[folder: Gambling on Monk's Abilities]]
Threatening an Officer]]
* How is it in "Mr. In the last-season episode where Monk Goes to Vegas" that everyone impersonates an assassin, why was opposed to Monk gambling? He's got virtually perfect eidetic memory. He could be earning hundreds of thousands on blackjack tables. What is especially mind boggling is that Natalie he not detained for implicitly threatening a police officer? If any other officer had gone too deep, Stottlemeyer would most likely have decked them right there, or the FBI agent (and Disher, if he was there) would have called for backup if he resisted. But Stottlemeyer sees the best detective on the west coast, a man with (usually) severe psychological problems, and most importantly ''his best friend'' walk into a dangerous and situation where he'll almost definitely have to kill in cold blood or be killed himself, ''against'' police orders, and just lets him go because he's ticked. And what ''really'' bugs me, since Stottlemeyer's not the most avid supporter of the "don't gamble" idea. She was complaining an episode or two before that competent choice for authority by a long shot (both where Monk doesn't pay her enough money, how is concerned and in general since his divorce), is that supposed to make sense?
** Because Natalie was an ex-gambling addict and so, she knew better. The problem wasn't the fact that
''the others'' let Monk could cheat his way onto millions, but the fact that (if I recall correctly) his OCD causes him to display traits of a life-time gambling addict while he was still only trying to pay-up Randy's pathetically low (in comparison to the money Monk could make) debt of $30,000.
*** That
go, and I'm sure Monk has numerous tells.
*** Which would be relevant if Monk was playing poker...
*** It's
nobody (not even mentioned in ''Mr. Monk in Outer Space'' that Monk is not a good person about hiding his feelings in his body language.
** Well, Monk does have a little something called ''Obsessive Compulsive Disorder''. Maybe they feel combining gambling with his OCD is a bad idea?
*** This does make sense. The ideal number to get in Blackjack is 21, an odd number. Monk hates odd numbers.
*** There's also
the fact that getting caught counting cards in a casino is a good way to get kicked out. Which in a way, happens.
** Eidetic memory means jack shit when Monk decides to play roulette and other game because of how quick he gets obsessed, and also he is obviously counting cards so casino can tell
frickin' ''FBI agent'') calls him to just not play blackjack.(Stottlemeyer) on it!



[[folder: Search Stumbling Block]]
* In "Mr. Monk and the Red Herring" how come the security guards were searching people if ''they weren't supposed to realize the moon rock was missing''? And the bad guy worked there, so he shouldn't have been surprised about the guards if it was a routine thing.
** It slipped his mind maybe? Or perhaps the people in charge had changed their minds?
** What museum do you go to that frisks you as you leave?
** Perhaps there was another unrelated theft that the writers just forgot to mention to the audience which is why everyone was being searched?

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[[folder: Search Stumbling Block]]
Mr. Monk Is Unrecognizable]]
* In "Mr. Speaking of that episode, there are a lot of times Monk has been in the news (enough for at least a few of the cases he takes to be brought to him because of it.). How does that plot even work?
** Well, the guy Monk was impersonating was an alleged hit man (keep in mind the FBI agent states clearly that they've linked this hit man to 17 murders, but they have no solid evidence against him), and he tried to keep his stuff undercover. Monk is a well known detective, so it must have been easy for the mobster to just say "Hey, we look the same, but we're different people. Imagine that." Monk might've just done the same, like he tried to in that episode when he was recognized. The other mobsters might've done a search on this "Adrian Monk" and figured, "Hey, what a coincidence." Then again, why they couldn't show that...or why they wouldn't be even more suspicious that he was acting different around the time they discovered he has a doppelganger...well...
** That episode took place in Los Angeles; the show only ever implies he's a local celebrity in San Francisco. Also, Monk's not exactly caught on camera all that often, so most people probably don't know what Monk looks like.
** Monk did come close to blowing his cover right before the aforementioned incident, because Harold Krenshaw just so happened to stumble upon
Monk and the Red Herring" how come mobsters talking at the security guards were searching people if ''they weren't supposed to realize the moon rock was missing''? And the bad guy worked there, so he shouldn't have been surprised about the guards if it was a routine thing.
** It slipped his mind maybe? Or perhaps the people in charge had changed their minds?
** What museum do you go to that frisks you as you leave?
** Perhaps there was another unrelated theft that the writers just forgot to mention to the audience
beach, which is why everyone was necessitated Monk to threaten him while in-character as 'Frank de Palma' to keep himself from being searched?outed as an imposter. And Monk actually was pretty much in control of himself the whole time: notice how when Jimmy Barlow took him to Greenblatt's house for the hit that Monk immediately broke character as soon as he was inside and out of earshot from Jimmy.



[[folder: Coroner Failed a Spot Check?]]
* For that matter, medical examiners in San Fransisco must really suck if they've examined a woman supposedly bitten to death by a dog but don't notice anything weird about the lack of dog saliva or scratch marks or fur.
** The guy did kidnap her dog for a while, he probably took fur and saliva from it then.
** It never says he did. It only said he made that mold out of the dog's jaws.
** Dogs do shed and slobber.

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[[folder: Coroner Failed a Spot Check?]]
Lightning vs 'Lectrocution]]
* For that matter, medical examiners In the one where Monk has to hide out in San Fransisco must really suck if they've examined the woods because he sees a Chinese mob killing, the woman supposedly bitten who lives nearby drops a radio into her husband's bath to kill him, then tries to make it look like he was struck by lightning. After TheSummation, the deputy says "we'll do an autopsy on your husband. They'll be able to tell us if the cause of death is lightning or electrocution". But if you die from being hit by lightning, then you die due to electrocution, surely?
** True. But there is
a dog but don't notice technical distinction. The word "electrocution" is actually a portmanteau for "electric execution" and properly refers to a deliberate execution by electric shock. Doctors and forensic techs use distinctions like this in order to provide greater clarity. Since a lightning bolt is several thousand times more powerful than anything weird human beings are capable of generating, an autopsy would easily reveal the difference.
** What bothers me
about the lack of dog saliva or scratch marks or fur.
** The guy did kidnap her dog for a while, he probably took fur and saliva from it then.
** It never says he did. It only said he made
this is that mold lightning is superheated, which means that they really should have known just by looking at the corpse the first time that he hadn't been struck by lightning. A radio doesn't use enough electricity to actually fry the hell out of a person the dog's jaws.
** Dogs do shed
way lightning does.
*** It's not so much what Martin was hit by the bolt itself, the story was that the bolt stuck the metal boat,
and slobber.that in turn fried him through completing the circuit. Like the troper above says, I assume that being in a metal boat that's been hit by lightning would have way more voltage than being in a bathtub with a radio.



[[folder: Threatening an Officer]]
* In the last-season episode where Monk impersonates an assassin, why was he not detained for implicitly threatening a police officer? If any other officer had gone too deep, Stottlemeyer would most likely have decked them right there, or the FBI agent (and Disher, if he was there) would have called for backup if he resisted. But Stottlemeyer sees the best detective on the west coast, a man with (usually) severe psychological problems, and most importantly ''his best friend'' walk into a dangerous and situation where he'll almost definitely have to kill in cold blood or be killed himself, ''against'' police orders, and just lets him go because he's ticked. And what ''really'' bugs me, since Stottlemeyer's not the most competent choice for authority by a long shot (both where Monk is concerned and in general since his divorce), is that ''the others'' let Monk go, and nobody (not even the frickin' ''FBI agent'') calls him (Stottlemeyer) on it!

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[[folder: Threatening an Officer]]
Does Disher Have Uncles?]]
* In the last-season episode where "Mr Monk impersonates an assassin, why was Gets Cabin Fever" Disher says that he not detained for implicitly threatening a police officer? If any other officer had gone too deep, Stottlemeyer would most likely doesn't have decked them right there, any uncles. In "Mr Monk Visits a Farm" or whatever it's called, which I'm pretty sure takes place later, Disher's uncle is killed. Had Randy had a falling out with his uncle prior to "Mr Monk Gets Cabin Fever", or something?
** I noticed that, too. I just figured that maybe one of his Aunts got married, but if
the FBI agent (and Uncle's last name in "Visits a Farm" was Disher, if he was there) would have called for backup if he resisted. But Stottlemeyer sees the best detective on the west coast, a man with (usually) severe psychological problems, and most importantly ''his best friend'' walk into a dangerous and situation where he'll almost definitely have to kill in cold blood or be killed himself, ''against'' police orders, and that's highly unlikely. More than probable it's just lets him go one of those little snafu's they didn't catch.
** It's possible that the events of "Visits a Farm" took place before "Cabin Fever" InUniverse, and the episodes were just the wrong way around, if you know what I mean.
*** I disagree. "Mr. Monk Visits a Farm" could not take place before "Mr. Monk Gets Cabin Fever"
because he's ticked. And what ''really'' bugs me, since Stottlemeyer's not the most competent choice for authority by a long shot (both where in "Cabin Fever," Natalie is accusing Monk is concerned and in general since his divorce), is of having bad karma for causing deaths to happen everywhere he goes, yet by the time episodes that ''the others'' let aired immediately before "Visits a Farm" came around, she was perfectly content with Monk go, finding bodies everywhere he went. I figure maybe he was lying to the girl he was talking to just to impress her.
*** Also in “Mr. Monk Gets Cabin Fever,” Natalie was brand new
and nobody (not even still discovering Monk’s quirks, whereas she was basically a pro by the frickin' ''FBI agent'') calls him (Stottlemeyer) on it!time of “Mr. Monk Visits a Farm.”



[[folder: Mr. Monk Is Unrecognizable]]
* Speaking of that episode, there are a lot of times Monk has been in the news (enough for at least a few of the cases he takes to be brought to him because of it.). How does that plot even work?
** Well, the guy Monk was impersonating was an alleged hit man (keep in mind the FBI agent states clearly that they've linked this hit man to 17 murders, but they have no solid evidence against him), and he tried to keep his stuff undercover. Monk is a well known detective, so it must have been easy for the mobster to just say "Hey, we look the same, but we're different people. Imagine that." Monk might've just done the same, like he tried to in that episode when he was recognized. The other mobsters might've done a search on this "Adrian Monk" and figured, "Hey, what a coincidence." Then again, why they couldn't show that...or why they wouldn't be even more suspicious that he was acting different around the time they discovered he has a doppelganger...well...
** That episode took place in Los Angeles; the show only ever implies he's a local celebrity in San Francisco. Also, Monk's not exactly caught on camera all that often, so most people probably don't know what Monk looks like.
** Monk did come close to blowing his cover right before the aforementioned incident, because Harold Krenshaw just so happened to stumble upon Monk and the mobsters talking at the beach, which necessitated Monk to threaten him while in-character as 'Frank de Palma' to keep himself from being outed as an imposter. And Monk actually was pretty much in control of himself the whole time: notice how when Jimmy Barlow took him to Greenblatt's house for the hit that Monk immediately broke character as soon as he was inside and out of earshot from Jimmy.

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[[folder: Mr. Monk Is Unrecognizable]]
* Speaking of that episode, there are a lot of times Monk has been
(Dis)order in the news (enough Court]]
* How ''biased'' was the judge in ''Mr. Monk Takes The Stand''? I would have overruled the "undefeated" lawyer
for at least a few badgering the witness and intentionally causing disorder ("Does this piece fit with this piece? How about ''this'' piece? ''This'' piece?!"), as well as ''bringing in'' "evidence" ''through the front door of the cases he takes to be brought to him because trial'' instead of it.). How does that plot even work?
** Well, the guy Monk was impersonating was an alleged hit man (keep in mind the FBI agent states clearly that they've linked this hit man to 17 murders, but they have no solid evidence against him), and he tried to keep his stuff undercover. Monk is a well known detective, so it must have
following proper procedures, regardless of whether I had been easy for the mobster to just say "Hey, we look the same, but we're different people. Imagine that." Monk might've just done the same, like he tried to in that episode when he was recognized. The other mobsters might've done a search on this "Adrian Monk" and figured, "Hey, what a coincidence." Then again, why they couldn't show that...or why they wouldn't be even more suspicious that he was acting different around the time they discovered he has a doppelganger...well...
** That episode took place in Los Angeles; the show only ever implies he's a local celebrity in San Francisco. Also,
following Monk's not exactly caught show for several years or were allowed to tell him off specifically for using such a stupidly blatant ChewbaccaDefense.
** This troper was thinking the exact same thing. Whatever happened to "Badgering the Witness"?
** It wasn't just the judge's fault, there's plenty more blame to go around. For instance: the prosecutor. Why didn't the prosecutor ''object'' to the obvious badgering by the "undefeated" lawyer? For that matter, why didn't Monk receive any sort of ''preparation'' before he took the stand? You'd think with Monk's rather fragile mental state some pre-trial preparation would have been a top priority. And while we're
on camera the subject, why would Monk have that much trouble in the first place? As a former police officer and now independent investigator who contracts with the police department, he must've been called to testify in court many times in the past. Are we to believe that in all that often, so time he's ''never'' met an aggressive, badgering attorney before?
*** He was prepped (we see part of it onscreen), it just didn't go very well for Monk because of how aggressive Harrison Powell is during cross-examintions. I think he's only been called to testify once since the show started, and therefore since Trudy died, but more importantly he hasn't gone up against an "undefeated" guy.
*** It probably doesn't need to happen that often. Keep in mind,
most people probably confess after Monk explains why it was only possible that they did it, and a lot of those that don't know what Monk looks like.
** Monk did come close to blowing his cover right before the aforementioned incident, because Harold Krenshaw just so happened to stumble upon Monk and the mobsters talking at the beach, which necessitated Monk to threaten him while in-character as 'Frank de Palma' to keep himself from being outed as an imposter. And Monk actually was pretty much in control
have left behind some kind of himself the whole time: notice how when Jimmy Barlow took him to Greenblatt's house for the hit incontrovertible evidence that Monk immediately broke character as soon as he was inside and out of earshot from Jimmy.convinces the captain to begin with.



[[folder: Lightning vs 'Lectrocution]]
* In the one where Monk has to hide out in the woods because he sees a Chinese mob killing, the woman who lives nearby drops a radio into her husband's bath to kill him, then tries to make it look like he was struck by lightning. After TheSummation, the deputy says "we'll do an autopsy on your husband. They'll be able to tell us if the cause of death is lightning or electrocution". But if you die from being hit by lightning, then you die due to electrocution, surely?
** True. But there is a technical distinction. The word "electrocution" is actually a portmanteau for "electric execution" and properly refers to a deliberate execution by electric shock. Doctors and forensic techs use distinctions like this in order to provide greater clarity. Since a lightning bolt is several thousand times more powerful than anything human beings are capable of generating, an autopsy would easily reveal the difference.
** What bothers me about this is that lightning is superheated, which means that they really should have known just by looking at the corpse the first time that he hadn't been struck by lightning. A radio doesn't use enough electricity to actually fry the hell out of a person the way lightning does.
*** It's not so much what Martin was hit by the bolt itself, the story was that the bolt stuck the metal boat, and that in turn fried him through completing the circuit. Like the troper above says, I assume that being in a metal boat that's been hit by lightning would have way more voltage than being in a bathtub with a radio.

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[[folder: Lightning vs 'Lectrocution]]
Dilworth Didn't Think It Through]]
* In the one where The evil [[spoiler:paramedic]] Angeline Dilworth in "Mr. Monk has and the Voodoo Curse". How are you going to hide out that the person you brought in for swallowing a (possibly) poisonous substance just got decapitated, that there is blood on your scalpel and what not.
** How about mailing it to her
in the woods first place? It worked on the other ones because he sees a Chinese mob killing, [[spoiler:they were already dead and she didn't need to worry about screwing them up]], but Natalie was supposed to be ''decapitated''. How on earth was ''that'' supposed to be ensured? Natalie [[spoiler:getting sent to the woman who lives nearby drops a radio into her husband's bath to kill him, hospital]] was pretty much entirely chance.
** I was wondering why not just let it be assumed (or even show up at the reverend's office and offer [[spoiler: her]] condolences,
then tries to make drop an offhand "well, at least...") that it look like he was struck by lightning. After TheSummation, broke the deputy says "we'll do curse, and she just happened to be poisoned by drinking an autopsy on your husband. They'll be able to tell us if the cause unguent instead of death is lightning or electrocution". But if you die waiting for instructions? (aside from being hit by lightning, then you die due totally insane, of course.)
** She wasn't necessarily going
to electrocution, surely?
** True. But there is a technical distinction. The word "electrocution" is actually a portmanteau for "electric execution" and properly refers to a deliberate execution by electric shock. Doctors and forensic techs use distinctions like this
kill Natalie before she got her in order to provide greater clarity. Since a lightning bolt is several thousand times more powerful than anything human beings are capable of generating, an autopsy would easily reveal the difference.
** What bothers me
ambulance. She overheard Monk talking about this is that lightning is superheated, which means that they really should have known just by looking at the corpse the first time that he hadn't been struck by lightning. A radio doesn't use his superstitious assistant and [[WeNeedADistraction set her up to distract him]]. If it worked long enough electricity for her to actually fry get away with the hell out of a person the way lightning does.
*** It's not so much
crime, then it wouldn't have mattered much. But when she had her there and Natalie figured her out, she figured she might as well kill her. The real question is, what Martin was hit by are the bolt itself, the story was odds that the bolt stuck the metal boat, and that particular ambulance showed up to Monk's house? How many hospitals must there be in turn fried him through completing San Francisco?
*** A police safe house. Same question though. And what is
the circuit. Like driver doing in all this?
*** I figured she just sent
the troper above says, I assume that being in doll as a metal boat that's been hit by lightning would have way more voltage than being in a bathtub with a radio.distraction, and when Natalie fell into her lap, tried to kill her because, as Monk pointed out, she's ''nuts.''



[[folder: Does Disher Have Uncles?]]
* In "Mr Monk Gets Cabin Fever" Disher says that he doesn't have any uncles. In "Mr Monk Visits a Farm" or whatever it's called, which I'm pretty sure takes place later, Disher's uncle is killed. Had Randy had a falling out with his uncle prior to "Mr Monk Gets Cabin Fever", or something?
** I noticed that, too. I just figured that maybe one of his Aunts got married, but if the Uncle's last name in "Visits a Farm" was Disher, that's highly unlikely. More than probable it's just one of those little snafu's they didn't catch.
** It's possible that the events of "Visits a Farm" took place before "Cabin Fever" InUniverse, and the episodes were just the wrong way around, if you know what I mean.
*** I disagree. "Mr. Monk Visits a Farm" could not take place before "Mr. Monk Gets Cabin Fever" because in "Cabin Fever," Natalie is accusing Monk of having bad karma for causing deaths to happen everywhere he goes, yet by the time episodes that aired immediately before "Visits a Farm" came around, she was perfectly content with Monk finding bodies everywhere he went. I figure maybe he was lying to the girl he was talking to just to impress her.
*** Also in “Mr. Monk Gets Cabin Fever,” Natalie was brand new and still discovering Monk’s quirks, whereas she was basically a pro by the time of “Mr. Monk Visits a Farm.”

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[[folder: Does Disher Have Uncles?]]
* In "Mr
Mr. Monk Gets Cabin Fever" Disher says Turns in His Badge]]
* The penultimate episode's ending. It makes Monk seem... weak to just resign like that because of something that has happened in at least every other episode and painfully reeked of StatusQuoIsGod in what was otherwise a season of growth (and the stats quo really shouldn't matter in the penultimate episode).
** ''He'' realized
that he doesn't have any uncles. In "Mr Monk Visits wasn't ready to be a Farm" policeman. The life or whatever it's called, which I'm pretty sure takes place later, Disher's uncle is killed. Had Randy had a falling out with his uncle prior to "Mr Monk Gets Cabin Fever", or something?
** I noticed that, too. I
death situation was just figured that maybe one of his Aunts got married, but if the Uncle's last name in "Visits a Farm" was Disher, that's highly unlikely. More than probable it's just one of those little snafu's they final push.
** He
didn't catch.
** It's possible that the events of "Visits a Farm" took place before "Cabin Fever" InUniverse, and the episodes were just the wrong way around, if you know what I mean.
*** I disagree. "Mr. Monk Visits a Farm" could not take place before "Mr. Monk Gets Cabin Fever"
resign because of that. He was unhappy with the kind of work he was assigned to do. C'mon, that point received ample treatment in "Cabin Fever," the episode. He talked about it with Natalie is accusing Monk of having bad karma for causing deaths to happen everywhere he goes, yet by the time episodes that aired immediately before "Visits a Farm" came around, she was perfectly content and with Monk finding bodies everywhere he went. I figure maybe he was lying to the girl he was talking to just to impress her.
*** Also in “Mr. Monk Gets Cabin Fever,” Natalie was brand new and still discovering Monk’s quirks, whereas she was basically a pro by the time of “Mr. Monk Visits a Farm.”
Dr Bell.



[[folder: (Dis)order in the Court]]
* How ''biased'' was the judge in ''Mr. Monk Takes The Stand''? I would have overruled the "undefeated" lawyer for badgering the witness and intentionally causing disorder ("Does this piece fit with this piece? How about ''this'' piece? ''This'' piece?!"), as well as ''bringing in'' "evidence" ''through the front door of the trial'' instead of following proper procedures, regardless of whether I had been following Monk's show for several years or were allowed to tell him off specifically for using such a stupidly blatant ChewbaccaDefense.
** This troper was thinking the exact same thing. Whatever happened to "Badgering the Witness"?
** It wasn't just the judge's fault, there's plenty more blame to go around. For instance: the prosecutor. Why didn't the prosecutor ''object'' to the obvious badgering by the "undefeated" lawyer? For that matter, why didn't Monk receive any sort of ''preparation'' before he took the stand? You'd think with Monk's rather fragile mental state some pre-trial preparation would have been a top priority. And while we're on the subject, why would Monk have that much trouble in the first place? As a former police officer and now independent investigator who contracts with the police department, he must've been called to testify in court many times in the past. Are we to believe that in all that time he's ''never'' met an aggressive, badgering attorney before?
*** He was prepped (we see part of it onscreen), it just didn't go very well for Monk because of how aggressive Harrison Powell is during cross-examintions. I think he's only been called to testify once since the show started, and therefore since Trudy died, but more importantly he hasn't gone up against an "undefeated" guy.
*** It probably doesn't need to happen that often. Keep in mind, most people confess after Monk explains why it was only possible that they did it, and a lot of those that don't have left behind some kind of incontrovertible evidence that convinces the captain to begin with.

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[[folder: (Dis)order in Ambrose and the Court]]
Cough Medicine]]
* How ''biased'' was the judge in ''Mr. Wasn't Trudy getting cough medicine for Ambrose something Monk Takes The Stand''? I would have overruled the "undefeated" lawyer for badgering the witness and intentionally causing disorder ("Does this piece fit with this piece? How about ''this'' piece? ''This'' piece?!"), as well as ''bringing in'' "evidence" ''through the front door of the trial'' instead of following proper procedures, regardless of whether I had been following Monk's show for several years or were allowed to tell him off specifically for using such a stupidly blatant ChewbaccaDefense.
** This troper was thinking the exact same thing. Whatever happened to "Badgering the Witness"?
** It wasn't just the judge's fault, there's plenty more blame to go around. For instance: the prosecutor. Why
didn't the prosecutor ''object'' to the obvious badgering by the "undefeated" lawyer? For that matter, why didn't Monk receive any sort of ''preparation'' before he took the stand? You'd think with Monk's rather fragile mental state some pre-trial preparation would have been a top priority. And while we're on the subject, why would Monk have that much trouble in the first place? As a former police officer and now independent investigator who contracts with the police department, he must've been called to testify in court many times in the past. Are we to believe that in all that time he's ''never'' met an aggressive, badgering attorney before?
*** He was prepped (we see part of it onscreen), it just didn't go very well for Monk because of how aggressive Harrison Powell is during cross-examintions. I think he's only been called to testify once since the show started, and therefore since Trudy died, but more importantly he hasn't gone up against an "undefeated" guy.
*** It probably
know? That flashback doesn't need make sense.
** The solution
to happen that often. Keep in mind, most people confess after Monk explains why it was only possible one is simple: Ambrose didn't know that they did it, and a lot of those that don't have left behind some kind of incontrovertible evidence that convinces the captain to begin with.Adrian knew.



[[folder: Dilworth Didn't Think It Through]]
* The evil [[spoiler:paramedic]] Angeline Dilworth in "Mr. Monk and the Voodoo Curse". How are you going to hide that the person you brought in for swallowing a (possibly) poisonous substance just got decapitated, that there is blood on your scalpel and what not.
** How about mailing it to her in the first place? It worked on the other ones because [[spoiler:they were already dead and she didn't need to worry about screwing them up]], but Natalie was supposed to be ''decapitated''. How on earth was ''that'' supposed to be ensured? Natalie [[spoiler:getting sent to the hospital]] was pretty much entirely chance.
** I was wondering why not just let it be assumed (or even show up at the reverend's office and offer [[spoiler: her]] condolences, then drop an offhand "well, at least...") that it broke the curse, and she just happened to be poisoned by drinking an unguent instead of waiting for instructions? (aside from being totally insane, of course.)
** She wasn't necessarily going to kill Natalie before she got her in the ambulance. She overheard Monk talking about his superstitious assistant and [[WeNeedADistraction set her up to distract him]]. If it worked long enough for her to get away with the crime, then it wouldn't have mattered much. But when she had her there and Natalie figured her out, she figured she might as well kill her. The real question is, what are the odds that that particular ambulance showed up to Monk's house? How many hospitals must there be in San Francisco?
*** A police safe house. Same question though. And what is the driver doing in all this?
*** I figured she just sent the doll as a distraction, and when Natalie fell into her lap, tried to kill her because, as Monk pointed out, she's ''nuts.''

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[[folder: Dilworth Didn't Think It Through]]
Unnecessary Spanking]]
* The evil [[spoiler:paramedic]] Angeline Dilworth in "Mr. In ''Mr. Monk and the Voodoo Curse". How are you going to hide that Naked Man'', why was the person you brought in for swallowing a (possibly) poisonous substance just got decapitated, that there is blood on your scalpel and what not.
** How about mailing it to her in the first place? It worked on the other ones because [[spoiler:they were
doctor hitting just-birthed Monk if he was already dead and she didn't crying?
** Sometimes when babies are born, doctors
need to worry about screwing spank the babies to make them up]], breathe.
*** Yes,
but Natalie was supposed to be ''decapitated''. How on earth was ''that'' supposed to be ensured? Natalie [[spoiler:getting sent to the hospital]] was pretty much entirely chance.
** I was wondering why not just let it be assumed (or even show up at the reverend's office and offer [[spoiler: her]] condolences, then drop an offhand "well, at least...") that it broke the curse, and she just happened to be poisoned by drinking an unguent instead of waiting for instructions? (aside from being totally insane, of course.)
** She wasn't necessarily going to kill Natalie before she got her in the ambulance. She overheard Monk talking about his superstitious assistant and [[WeNeedADistraction set her up to distract him]]. If it worked long enough for her to get away with the crime, then it
if they couldn't breathe, there wouldn't have mattered much. But when she had her there and Natalie figured her out, she figured she might as well kill her. The real question is, what are be any air in the odds lungs that that particular ambulance showed up they could use to Monk's house? How many hospitals must there be in San Francisco?
*** A police safe house. Same question though. And what is the driver doing in all this?
*** I figured she just sent the doll as a distraction, and when Natalie fell into her lap, tried to kill her because, as
cry. If Monk pointed out, she's ''nuts.''was crying, he was breathing.
** Maybe he was whimpering initially and the doctor spanked him to get him to breathe more deeply?



[[folder: Obsessive Compulsive Death]]
* It's not so much that it bugs me, but I wondering if it ''should'' bug me. Several times during the show, Monk's OCD has put him in a deadly situation or lessened his chances of survival. I'm wondering whether that actually happens - can OCD so casually override your survival instincts?
** Yes.
** Absolutely it can. That's why it's called "Obsessive Compulsive ''Disorder''" not "Obsessive Compulsive Minor Inconvenience".
** My sister has stated she refuses to watch the show or the ads for fear of picking up Monk's behaviors. One of mine is reading. It took me years to force myself from "have to finish the chapter" to "have to finish the paragraph" to "have to finish the sentence". This isn't all that major when reading a book where I'm enjoying the story. But I also often have to finish reading signs if I started and I still have slowed down in traffic, taken a route out of my way to turn around or even just stopped to finish reading something I started to read on a sign. Neither of us is diagnosed so I doubt either of us is more than mild. So, yes, I can absolutely imagine that situation.

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[[folder: Obsessive Compulsive Death]]
They Wasted a Perfectly Good Connection]]
* It's not so much that it bugs me, but I wondering if it ''should'' bug me. Several times during So what did Dale the show, Monk's OCD has put him in a deadly situation or lessened his chances of survival. I'm wondering whether that actually happens - can OCD so casually override your survival instincts?
** Yes.
** Absolutely it can. That's why it's called "Obsessive Compulsive ''Disorder''" not "Obsessive Compulsive Minor Inconvenience".
** My sister has stated she refuses to watch the show or the ads for fear of picking up Monk's behaviors. One of mine is reading. It took me years to force myself from "have to finish the chapter" to "have to finish the paragraph" to "have to finish the sentence". This isn't all that major when reading a book where I'm enjoying the story. But I also often
Whale have to finish reading signs if do with Trudy's death?
** He knew whodunit. It was never stated explicitly that he had any importance other than knowledge, but
I started expect that he would have been revealed as more closely related to the crime or the perpetrator(s) had the writing team been given [[LongRunners the time they probably wanted]] to wrap up the series.
*** Actually, he knew one name...the man who built the bomb for the [[spoiler: "six-fingered freak"]]. Dale the Whale didn't know just how deep it went or how many people were involved.
*** In "Mr. Monk Is On The Run", he used the [[spoiler: "six-fingered man"]] to commit a crime
and I frame Monk. When he learned this man's identity is still have slowed down in traffic, taken a route out of my way to turn around or even just stopped to finish reading something I started to read on a sign. Neither of us is diagnosed so I doubt either of us is more than mild. So, yes, I can absolutely imagine not known.
*** It was heavily implied
that situation.the reason he divulged the man's identity wasn't to get a window in his cell[[note]]one of several ''Silence of the Lambs'' references, I believe, due to Ted Levene being on the show[[/note]] but as part of a long game to get revenge on Monk.



[[folder: Mr. Monk Turns in His Badge]]
* The penultimate episode's ending. It makes Monk seem... weak to just resign like that because of something that has happened in at least every other episode and painfully reeked of StatusQuoIsGod in what was otherwise a season of growth (and the stats quo really shouldn't matter in the penultimate episode).
** ''He'' realized that he wasn't ready to be a policeman. The life or death situation was just the final push.
** He didn't resign because of that. He was unhappy with the kind of work he was assigned to do. C'mon, that point received ample treatment in the episode. He talked about it with Natalie and with Dr Bell.

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[[folder: Mr. Monk Turns in His Badge]]
Only Felt This Way Twice]]
* The penultimate episode's ending. It makes Monk seem... weak to just resign like that because of something that has happened in at least every other episode and painfully reeked of StatusQuoIsGod in what was otherwise a season of growth (and the stats quo really shouldn't matter in the penultimate episode).
** ''He'' realized that
Stottlemeyer tells TK he's never felt 'this way', which I'm assuming he meant love/attraction-wise. I think it's great he finally got a love interest who wasn't ready to a murderer. I firmly believe a person can be in love, split, and then, fall in love with another person. But it bugs the ever-loving crap out of me when a policeman. The life or death situation character disregards their previous partner in such a way. He knew Karen since childhood, had two children with her, was just on the final push.
verge of a nervous breakdown when there was a possibility she'd die in "Mr. Monk and the Captain's Wife", and in "Mr. Monk and the Captain's Marriage" was willing to forgive her for having a (fictional) affair because he so badly wanted to make the marriage work, and was married to her for two decades. At one point, he was in love with her and did feel 'this way'.
** He Knowing someone since childhood is different from a whirlwind romance. Just because he married both of them doesn't mean his feelings for them were exactly the same.
*** I don't think his feelings for both could or should be exactly the same. But he was in love with Karen; she was a for a long time a huge part of his world. For him to simply disregard all that bugged me.
*** Stottlemeyer loved his wife, but they'd been having problems for years--going all the way back to the very first episode. Spend that long unhappy, it's going to sour your view of the relationship.
*** Leland
didn't resign really love his wife by the end of their marriage. The only reason they lasted as long as they did was because of that. He was unhappy with they met/married young and had small children. She never respected him or his career choices, even though it paid for her lifestyle and her documentaries, and the kind of work few times she visited him at the station, he was assigned got stressed to do. C'mon, that the point received ample treatment in he literally had to have Randy stand guard for him and distract her while he rearranged his entire office (he wasn't even allowed to keep his gun and other manly/cop stuff around even his own office when she was around).
** That, and "I've never felt this way before" sounds more romantic than "I've only felt this way when I was around my first wife, who I am currently divorced to due to complications that strained our marriage. Let's just hope second time's
the episode. He talked about it charm, eh?"
** "I've never felt this way before" isn't synonymous
with Natalie and "I instantaneously love you more than anyone I've ever met." It's not that he feels his brief time with Dr Bell. TK is the best relationship he's ever been in, he just finds the nature of it new and exciting.



[[folder: Ambrose and the Cough Medicine]]
* Wasn't Trudy getting cough medicine for Ambrose something Monk didn't know? That flashback doesn't make sense.
** The solution to that one is simple: Ambrose didn't know that Adrian knew.

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[[folder: Ambrose and the Cough Medicine]]
When Did Monk Develop OCD?]]
* Wasn't The pilot tells us that Monk developed OCD after Trudy getting cough medicine for Ambrose something Monk was murdered. So why does he always show obvious symptoms in flashbacks of before the murder, back to and including his grade school years?
** All series deviate someway after the pilot. They
didn't know? That flashback doesn't make sense.
think they would have time to show it so they just kinda made it self-explanatory.
** Monk has always had OCD from birth, and managed to control it to some extent as a kid. When he met Trudy her influence helped him to control his OCD even better appearing to most people to have beaten it and any new acquaintances wouldn't have noticed. With the trauma of Trudy's death though, the OCD came roaring back (having taken several levels in badass) to it's current overpowering level.
***
The solution pilot says the extremity of Monk's case is related to his trauma.
*** Monk ''has OCD and has many phobias''. He also demonstrates a variety of symptoms common to people with Asperger Syndrome (outdated diagnosis but appropriate to the show's timeline) and other variants of Autism (currently the official status for both is Autism Spectrum Disorder). All his behaviors together stretch believability to its limits. Monk is not autistic. But his mother was clearly portrayed as high functioning autistic and she raised her children as if they were also autistic. She was apparently the only parental influence on her children. These are huge environmental factors. Not unexpectedly, her children developed atypical behaviors. Monk's oddities were not crippling, until Trudy was murdered. We see and are told about Monk's behavior before; basically he was odd but not debilitated. All this add some degree of credibility. However, much of the show is wrong, wrongly, wrongfully, wrong wrongness. ''Much like anything else on TV''. People need to relax a bit and enjoy the show, within the confines of knowing it is inaccurate and requires an appropriate level of suspension of disbelief. I have ASD. There are very few characters I can relate to on TV. Fewer still
that one are successful (ultimately, Monk is simple: Ambrose didn't know that Adrian knew. successful from the very first episode). I love the show. What are some other characters I might choose to relate to? The Riddler, Dr. Jekyll, Norman Bates, Percy Wetmore, Charlie Brown, Walter Mitty, Gollum, Hannibal Lecter? How about have a little outrage against those characters instead? Ok, realistically there are some more positive examples. How about, uhm, Count von Count? *sigh*. BTW, OCD is not an illness and autism neither is a mental illness (look it up).



[[folder: Unnecessary Spanking]]
* In ''Mr. Monk and the Naked Man'', why was the doctor hitting just-birthed Monk if he was already crying?
** Sometimes when babies are born, doctors need to spank the babies to make them breathe.
*** Yes, but if they couldn't breathe, there wouldn't be any air in the lungs that they could use to cry. If Monk was crying, he was breathing.
** Maybe he was whimpering initially and the doctor spanked him to get him to breathe more deeply?

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[[folder: Unnecessary Spanking]]
* In ''Mr. Monk
Stottlemeyer and the Naked Man'', why was the doctor hitting just-birthed Monk if he was already crying?
** Sometimes
Hearing]]
* Early on
when babies are born, doctors need to spank the babies to make them breathe.
*** Yes, but if they couldn't breathe, there wouldn't be any air in the lungs that they could use to cry. If
Monk was crying, given the opportunity to return to active duty and Stottlemeyer spoke against him, were we supposed to side against Stottlemeyer? Based on Monk's prior and later behavior, it seems to me that his disorder does render him unable to fulfill many of the requirements of an active duty police officer. As brilliant as he is, if he can't deal with the daily responsibilities that other officers have to do, he shouldn't be doing the job.
** I don't think it's that one character
was breathing.
** Maybe he
right and one was whimpering initially wrong. It's Monk's show, so the viewer is supposed to be sympathetic towards him, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you shouldn't have also been sympathetic towards Stottlemeyer as well; he made the call he felt he had to make, and feels like he betrayed his friend, and has to live with it.
** We're not supposed to side wholly against either of them. [[BothSidesHaveAPoint Both sides had their good points.]] Stottlemeyer had a duty to tell
the doctor spanked him truth at the hearing, which he did. On the other hand, Monk is rightly feeling betrayed that his own close friend personally torpedoed his chance to get him back on the force. It does seem Monk felt that Stottlemeyer should have refused to breathe more deeply?testify at all because of their prior relationship, so that, if Monk does get rejected anyway, at least his best friend wasn't the one who had to break his heart. But the results of the hearing weren't shown until near the end of the episode and it's tough to show that both sides have their good points when you've only got 5-10 minutes left to show it.



[[folder: They Wasted a Perfectly Good Connection]]
* So what did Dale the Whale have to do with Trudy's death?
** He knew whodunit. It was never stated explicitly that he had any importance other than knowledge, but I expect that he would have been revealed as more closely related to the crime or the perpetrator(s) had the writing team been given [[LongRunners the time they probably wanted]] to wrap up the series.
*** Actually, he knew one name...the man who built the bomb for the [[spoiler: "six-fingered freak"]]. Dale the Whale didn't know just how deep it went or how many people were involved.
*** In "Mr. Monk Is On The Run", he used the [[spoiler: "six-fingered man"]] to commit a crime and frame Monk. When he learned this man's identity is still not known.
*** It was heavily implied that the reason he divulged the man's identity wasn't to get a window in his cell[[note]]one of several ''Silence of the Lambs'' references, I believe, due to Ted Levene being on the show[[/note]] but as part of a long game to get revenge on Monk.

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[[folder: They Wasted Mr. Monk is White?]]
* A black guy gets upset at Monk for being "one of those white guys" or Mexican maids call him
a Perfectly Good Connection]]
* So what did Dale the Whale have
"rich white man." Is he not ''conspicuously middle-eastern'' to do with Trudy's death?
everyone else's eyes?
** He knew whodunit. It was never stated explicitly that he had any importance other than knowledge, Tony Shalhoub is Lebanese, but I expect think that he would Monk himself is supposed to be white. In fact, only a few of his roles (like Frank Haddad in ''Film/TheSiege'' have been revealed as more closely related to the crime or the perpetrator(s) had the writing team been given [[LongRunners the time they probably wanted]] to wrap up the series.
*** Actually, he knew one name...the man who built the bomb for the [[spoiler: "six-fingered freak"]]. Dale the Whale didn't know just how deep it went or how many people were involved.
*** In "Mr. Monk Is On The Run", he used the [[spoiler: "six-fingered man"]] to commit a crime and frame Monk. When he learned this man's identity is still not known.
him play characters of Middle-Eastern descent).
*** It was heavily implied that ** This on top of the reason he divulged DoubleStandard of them ''assuming'' he's racist just because he's white. Of course, the man's identity wasn't maids [[spoiler: were also the culprits, so it may have just been a ploy to get him to back off so they don't get caught.]]
** A couple of instances had Monk posing as
a window Mexican laborer (in spite of not speaking very good Spanish) such as "Mr. Monk Visits a Farm" and "Mr. Monk on the Run - Part Two". Keep in his cell[[note]]one mind that Monk did also pose as a Sicilian hitman. There are a lot of traits common across several ''Silence continents which Monk happens to have. Besides, really he'd look equally out of place no matter where he went.
** Honestly, Shalhoub is accurately described as "white-passing." Looking at him, he could be any number of ethnic backgrounds, from Italian to Greek to Arab to Jewish to Latino. On
the Lambs'' references, I believe, due to Ted Levene being on the show[[/note]] show he's described as "Caucasian" several times, and his ethnicity is never specified (the surname Monk sounds Waspy, but it could just as part of well have been a long game to get revenge on Monk.changed or Anglicized name by immigrant ancestors).



[[folder: How Did Randy Get His Happy Ending?]]
* Randy is my favorite character on the show, and I always thought his crush on Sharona was adorable. That said, the man is incompetent. Sharona seemed to view him as an annoying little brother figure more than anything. His becoming a chief and ending up in a relationship with Sharona just didn't work for those reasons. And Leland's line bugged me. He's fond of Randy, but he's definitely aware of how incompetent Randy can be. The Sharona thing can be attributed to people changing, etc. But Randy is not and likely will not ever be ready for the rank of chief, and I want the name of the idiot or sabotaging mastermind who decided to promote him.
** Heck, in the finale episodes Randy caused a mass panic that got tipped off the assassin who was the only person who knew what poison was used on Monk, which ended with said vital information source killed. That alone should have cancelled his promotion immediately and probably got him sanctioned in some way.
** His RelationshipUpgrade with Sharona happened offscreen, so there's no way to tell how her feelings toward him evolved since she left the show. Agreed completely on the improbability of him making Chief, though.
*** It didn't happen exactly offscreen. He picks her up, grabs her by the hip and kisses her in the mouth at the end of ''Mr Monk and Sharona''. So, yes, we know how her feelings evolved.
** Do you know what bugs me? This idea that Randy is completely incompetent. True, he does say and do some odd things. But he is a great cop. For most of the time we see him on screen, he's the wacky comedy relief, but whenever the situation calls for it, Randy goes into cop mode and he gets the job done. He's made several arrests during the series, and even made several Monk-like observations and conclusions. In "Mr. Monk Gets Cabin Fever", Randy and Monk have a summation scene together, each summing up their own solved mysteries. And it can be assumed that there have been several moments off-screen on cases Monk has not worked on, that Randy has done some great detective work. And in "Mr. Monk and the Miracle", when Leland joins a monastery, Randy certainly stepped up and proved that he can fill his shoes at the station. I certainly would believe he'd make a great chief.
*** I don't think he's completely incompetent; however, in "Mr. Monk and the Bully," Randy tries to get the drowning Marilyn Brody to say the word 'aunt' to see whether she pronounced it in an American or English accent, and Stottlemeyer just tells him "Randy, let's arrest the one who's not drowning." (Of course, if it was me, I would have yelled at him to help save the civilian and sort out whether she was a killer or not later, but the captain did have a point.) I'm aware Randy did occasionally have his day in the limelight, but someone who is trying to get a person in need of immediate medical attention to pronounce a word in no way relevant to his or her medical needs should not, in my opinion, be made chief of police.
*** In that case from "Mr. Monk and the Bully" it looked like Natalie and Stottlemeyer were already administering whatever first aid Marilyn needed and he'd just get in the way if he tried to help. That was very mean of him, but nowhere near as dangerous as it might have been if he was alone at the time. He tried to help, in his eager, easily excitable way.
** I totally agree with the point. At the end of the day {{Flanderization}} made Randy stupid to the point it is totally unbelievable that he would be an even slightly competent captain. Had the authors been more careful, this end would've been more believable. But instead they just went the path to make him a total {{Buttmonkey}} instead of a wacky but otherwise competent cop. I guess this was supposed to be funny. It is not.
** Though the novels should be treated as a separate canon from the show, ''Mr. Monk and the Blue Flu'' has Stottlemeyer mention that Randy actually has the highest closure rate out of all of his men (Not counting Monk, of course.). He's a complete BunnyEarsLawyer, that's the thing.
** If you remember earlier in the series Monk's old partner (who went down for a crime he didn't commit) said that Monk taught him to consider every possibility until one makes sense. Arguably, when Randy comes up with crazy theories he does just that. Remember that in "Mr. Monk and the Bad Girlfriend", he shot down Natalie's sarcastic idea that Linda Fusco used a jetpack to get from her house to the crime scene.

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[[folder: How Did Randy Get His Happy Ending?]]
Heiress Asks for Cash]]
* Randy is my favorite character on the show, and I always thought his crush on Sharona was adorable. When Natalie becomes Monk's new assistant, she keeps bugging him that he doesn't give her enough money. But then in ''Mr. Monk Goes to a Wedding'', we find out that she's from a rich family. That said, doesn't make any sense as to why she needed the man is incompetent. Sharona seemed to view him as an annoying little brother figure more than anything. His becoming a chief and ending up in a relationship money then.
** Careful
with Sharona just didn't work that entitlement mentality. It is entirely reasonable for those reasons. And Leland's line bugged me. He's fond of Randy, but he's definitely aware of how incompetent Randy can be. The Sharona thing can be attributed to people changing, etc. But Randy is not and likely will not ever to be ready paid based on their worth in performing their jobs regardless of their personal (or familial) wealth. The series makes it clear that's Monk's assistants are underpaid for the rank of chief, and I want the name of the idiot or sabotaging mastermind who decided to promote him.
** Heck, in the finale episodes Randy caused a mass panic that got tipped off the assassin who was the only person who knew what poison was used on Monk,
job they do which ended with said vital information source killed. That alone should have cancelled his promotion immediately and probably got him sanctioned in some way.
** His RelationshipUpgrade with Sharona happened offscreen, so there's no way to tell how her feelings toward him evolved since she left the show. Agreed completely on the improbability of him making Chief, though.
usually involves tasks far beyond their job description.
*** ** It didn't happen exactly offscreen. He picks seems to be because she doesn't get along with her up, grabs her by the hip and kisses her in the mouth at the end of ''Mr Monk and Sharona''. So, yes, we know how her feelings evolved.
family.
** Do you know what bugs me? This idea that Randy is completely incompetent. True, he does say and do some odd things. But he is a great cop. For most of the time we see him on screen, he's the wacky comedy relief, but whenever the situation calls for it, Randy goes into cop mode and he gets the job done. He's made several arrests during the series, and even made several Monk-like observations and conclusions. In "Mr. Monk Gets Cabin Fever", Randy and Monk have a summation scene together, each summing up their own solved mysteries. And it can be assumed that there have been several moments off-screen on cases Monk has not worked on, that Randy has done some great detective work. And She also states right out in "Mr. Monk and the Miracle", when Leland joins Goes to a monastery, Randy certainly stepped up and proved Wedding" that he can fill his shoes at the station. I certainly would believe he'd make a great chief.
*** I don't think he's completely incompetent; however, in "Mr. Monk
they haven't offered her financial support, and the Bully," Randy tries to get the drowning Marilyn Brody to say the word 'aunt' to see whether she pronounced wouldn't accept it in an American or English accent, and Stottlemeyer just tells if they did. Natalie married Mitch against their wishes because she loved him "Randy, let's arrest the one who's not drowning." (Of course, if it was me, I would have yelled at him (as opposed to help save the civilian and sort out whether she was a killer or not later, but the captain did have a point.) I'm aware Randy did occasionally have his day in the limelight, but someone who is trying to get a person in need of immediate medical attention to pronounce a word in no way relevant to his or her medical needs should not, in my opinion, be made chief of police.
*** In that case from "Mr. Monk and the Bully" it looked like Natalie and Stottlemeyer were already administering whatever first aid Marilyn needed and he'd just get in the way if he tried to help. That was very mean of him, but nowhere near as dangerous as it might have been if he was alone at the time. He tried to help, in his eager, easily excitable way.
** I totally agree with the point. At the end
of the day {{Flanderization}} made Randy stupid to the point it is totally unbelievable that he would be an Davenports' social class, like Paul Buchanan), and even slightly competent captain. Had the authors been more careful, this end would've been more believable. But instead after he died it appears they just went the path continued to make express their dislike of him a total {{Buttmonkey}} instead of a wacky but otherwise competent cop. I guess this was supposed to be funny. It is not.
** Though the novels should be treated as a separate canon from the show, ''Mr. Monk and the Blue Flu'' has Stottlemeyer mention that Randy actually has the highest closure rate
her out of all of his men (Not counting Monk, of course.). He's a complete BunnyEarsLawyer, that's the thing.
** If you remember earlier in the series Monk's old partner (who went down for a crime he didn't commit) said that Monk taught him to consider every possibility until one makes sense. Arguably, when Randy comes up with crazy theories he does just that. Remember that in "Mr. Monk and the Bad Girlfriend", he shot down Natalie's sarcastic idea that Linda Fusco used a jetpack to get
pure classism. Thus, she is distant from her house to family and has a very tense relationship with her parents. The only one in the crime scene. family she seems to have a good relationship with is her brother, who is not the head of the family and probably can't influence them to give her money.



[[folder: Only Felt This Way Twice]]
* Stottlemeyer tells TK he's never felt 'this way', which I'm assuming he meant love/attraction-wise. I think it's great he finally got a love interest who wasn't a murderer. I firmly believe a person can be in love, split, and then, fall in love with another person. But it bugs the ever-loving crap out of me when a character disregards their previous partner in such a way. He knew Karen since childhood, had two children with her, was on the verge of a nervous breakdown when there was a possibility she'd die in "Mr. Monk and the Captain's Wife", and in "Mr. Monk and the Captain's Marriage" was willing to forgive her for having a (fictional) affair because he so badly wanted to make the marriage work, and was married to her for two decades. At one point, he was in love with her and did feel 'this way'.
** Knowing someone since childhood is different from a whirlwind romance. Just because he married both of them doesn't mean his feelings for them were exactly the same.
*** I don't think his feelings for both could or should be exactly the same. But he was in love with Karen; she was a for a long time a huge part of his world. For him to simply disregard all that bugged me.
*** Stottlemeyer loved his wife, but they'd been having problems for years--going all the way back to the very first episode. Spend that long unhappy, it's going to sour your view of the relationship.
*** Leland didn't really love his wife by the end of their marriage. The only reason they lasted as long as they did was because they met/married young and had small children. She never respected him or his career choices, even though it paid for her lifestyle and her documentaries, and the few times she visited him at the station, he got stressed to the point he literally had to have Randy stand guard for him and distract her while he rearranged his entire office (he wasn't even allowed to keep his gun and other manly/cop stuff around even his own office when she was around).
** That, and "I've never felt this way before" sounds more romantic than "I've only felt this way when I was around my first wife, who I am currently divorced to due to complications that strained our marriage. Let's just hope second time's the charm, eh?"
** "I've never felt this way before" isn't synonymous with "I instantaneously love you more than anyone I've ever met." It's not that he feels his brief time with TK is the best relationship he's ever been in, he just finds the nature of it new and exciting.

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[[folder: Only Felt This Way Twice]]
Go Directly to Jail...Why?]]
* Stottlemeyer tells TK he's never felt 'this way', which I'm assuming he meant love/attraction-wise. I think it's great he finally got a love interest who wasn't a murderer. I firmly believe a person can be in love, split, and then, fall in love with another person. But it bugs Okay, the ever-loving crap out of me when a character disregards their previous partner in such a way. He knew Karen since childhood, had two children with her, was on the verge of a nervous breakdown when there was a possibility she'd die in cult leader from "Mr. Monk and the Captain's Wife", and in "Mr. Joins A Cult" is definitely a charlatan. But Monk clears his name of murder, and he didn't seem like he had committed any crimes. Why is he in jail in the Captain's Marriage" was willing to forgive her 100th episode?
** He's labeled as being in there
for having a (fictional) affair because he so badly wanted to make fraud; which probably happened shortly after the marriage work, and was married to her for two decades. At one point, episode he was in love in, what with her and did feel 'this way'.
** Knowing someone since childhood is different from a whirlwind romance. Just because
Monk exposing that Ralph Roberts wasn't the paragon of physical health he married both of them claimed to be. The discovery that he doesn't mean his feelings for them were exactly the same.
*** I don't think his feelings for both could or should be exactly the same. But he was in love with Karen; she was a for a long time a huge part of his world. For him to simply disregard all that bugged me.
*** Stottlemeyer loved his wife, but they'd been having problems for years--going all the way back to the very first episode. Spend that long unhappy, it's going to sour your view of the relationship.
*** Leland didn't really love his wife
live by the end of their marriage. The only reason they lasted as long as they did was because they met/married young and had small children. She never respected him or philosophies he extols upon his career choices, even though it paid for her lifestyle and her documentaries, and the few times she visited him at the station, disciples doesn't help[[note]]an example: he got stressed to the point he literally had to have Randy stand guard for him and distract her while he rearranged his entire office (he wasn't even allowed to keep his gun and other manly/cop stuff around even his own office when she was around).
** That, and "I've never felt this way before" sounds more romantic than "I've only felt this way when I was around my first wife, who I am currently divorced to due to complications that strained our marriage. Let's just hope second time's the charm, eh?"
** "I've never felt this way before" isn't synonymous with "I instantaneously love you more than anyone I've ever met." It's not that he feels his brief time with TK
claims "money begets envy. Envy is the best relationship root of all evil," yet he's ever been in, he worth a couple million dollars, owns parking lots, a TV station, and a karate school, plus seven houses and multiple offshore bank accounts[[/note]]. Everything else is obviously just finds a NoodleIncident and we are left to fill in the nature of it new blanks.
** It was established that his cult encouraged people to empty their bank accounts
and exciting.give him everything they have under the false pretense that he had developed a philosophy that could guarantee perfect health. Tricking people so they'll do something which benefits you but harms them (in this case taking everything they've got) is pretty much textbook fraud.



[[folder: Alex Wolff]]
* Alex Wolff in the episode "Monk Goes Camping". That is all.
** [[MoneyDearBoy Money, Dear Troper.]]

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[[folder: Alex Wolff]]
Mr. Monk and the Bad Bonding Trip Idea]]
* Alex Wolff in In the episode "Monk Goes Camping". That where Monk's dad gets arrested - why do all of his friends/colleagues think that he should reunite and bond with his dad? The man has been missing for forty years, he abandoned their family when Monk was 8 years old! He shows no interest in staying in town to spend time with Adrian or Ambrose, and is all.
overall an unpleasant and unapologetic person. It seems totally out of character for Adrian's friends to suggest he go on a road trip with his father, since they all know what he did and have seen the psychological ramifications of Jack's choices on both Adrian and Ambrose. Possibly Dr. Kroger would suggest it (so that Adrian can get over his own issues regarding his father), but the everyman would NOT side with the dad in this case, much less suggest someone as emotionally fragile as Mr. Monk go on what is obviously going to be a stressful and possibly traumatic trip.
** [[MoneyDearBoy Money, Dear Troper.]]Although it's definitely true the trip would obviously be stressful, Jack Monk, Sr. has to be in his seventies, and wouldn't live forever. Now Adrian has met the guy. Think of how dissatisfied he'd feel years down the track when he finally reads his father's obituary, knowing he never had a chance to personally forgive the man. In RealLife, people don't get the chance to forgive the people that have screwed them over - and it's a pretty priceless thing, not to get all sappy...



[[folder: Mr. Monk Is Misrepresentational]]
* Why is Monk (and indeed most people with OCD) portrayed as comical and quirky. I have OCD, I'm not a germaphobe(as most shows would have us believe is the sole symptom of OCD) but i have other symptoms. OCD is not funny in ANY way whatsoever. It's is not synonymous with being neurotic and Woody Allen like. I can hide it pretty easily. I'm not trying to say you cannot have comedy shows with people with OCD, but why do we have to be so misrepresented?
** Misrepresentation implies that Monk is being held up as a representative of all individuals with OCD. I don't think this is the case. In fact the show has gone out of its way several times to state that Monk's particular form of OCD is extremely severe and unusual. To my mind this is the ''opposite'' of misrepresentation.
*** But it is still a representation of a person suffering from OCD. When all the people with OCD are represented in a certain way on TV, even if they explain it away, gradually you will develop a picture of OCD in your head. I don't think I've ever seen OCD represented realistically on tv. That said, you do have a very valid point. My criticism was maybe a little too general when this is just focusing on one show.
*** Are all people with OCD represented a certain way, though? I can't even think of another tv presentation of OCD aside from Monk.
*** What about Michael J. Fox's character on ''Series/{{Scrubs}}''? Based on the five or six people I know with severe OCD, and my own fairly mild condition, his portrayal was very realistic.
*** Well the thing is that OCD cases differ, and we almost only get to see the "obsessed with cleaning/bugs" type and they act really strangely. I have OCD-thoughts 24/7 and I don't act like that. I don't sweat profusely and rattle on nervously around people. I act normally. Maybe it's just my prejudice, but it still annoys me.
*** Wolf on ''CSI Miami'' admits to having [=OCD=] when he's first recruited to work with the team; in fact, his meticulousness in maintaining his weapon helped land him the job, since the man he replaced got killed due to a poorly-kept weapon's misfire.
** According to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Monk the Other Wiki]], Monk's OCD is at least partly based on co-creator David Hoberman's own struggles with OCD. "Like Monk, I couldn't walk on cracks and had to touch poles. I have no idea why – but if I didn't do these things, something terrible would happen."

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[[folder: Mr. Gilstrap Didn't Think This Through]]
* In the Halloween episode "Mr.
Monk Is Misrepresentational]]
* Why
Goes Home Again", Paul Gilstrap wants to kill his wife by poisoning a candy bar she is Monk (and indeed most people with OCD) portrayed as comical fond of, but he also poisons several other candy bars and quirky. I puts them back into circulation so it looks like a serial killer committed the crime instead. The problem is that the poison he uses is a synthetic one from a lab that works in that it ''hasn't been released yet.'' if his plan had actually succeeded wouldn't he be the only person connected to the crime anyway? Especially since the rest of the candy bars could have OCD, I'm not a germaphobe(as most shows been traced back to the grocery store close to his house. Also how does Ambrose identify the poison as being in insecticides if it hadn't been released yet?
** Yes, but the idea is that it
would take a while for the police to have us believe is traced the sole symptom of OCD) but i have other symptoms. OCD is not funny in ANY way whatsoever. crime back to him. It's is not synonymous with being neurotic and Woody Allen like. I can hide it pretty easily. I'm not trying to say you cannot have comedy shows with people with OCD, but why do we have to be so misrepresented?
** Misrepresentation implies that Monk is being held up as
never explained if he did plant a representative of all individuals with OCD. I don't think this is few poison bars at other stores.
*** Adding onto this, Gilstrap isn't
the case. In fact the show has gone out of its way several times to state that Monk's particular form of OCD is extremely severe and unusual. To my mind this is the ''opposite'' of misrepresentation.
*** But it is still a representation of a
only person suffering from OCD. When all the people with OCD are represented working in a certain way on TV, even if they explain it away, gradually you will develop a picture of OCD in your head. I don't think I've ever seen OCD represented realistically on tv. That said, you do have a very valid point. My criticism was that lab. There's deniability there, that maybe a little too general when this is just focusing on one show.
*** Are all people with OCD represented a certain way, though? I can't even think of another tv presentation of OCD aside from Monk.
*** What about Michael J. Fox's character on ''Series/{{Scrubs}}''? Based on
some other person took the five or six people I know with severe OCD, and my own fairly mild condition, his portrayal was very realistic.
*** Well the thing is that OCD cases differ, and we almost only get
poison to see the "obsessed with cleaning/bugs" type and they act really strangely. I have OCD-thoughts 24/7 and I don't act like that. I don't sweat profusely and rattle on nervously around people. I act normally. Maybe it's just my prejudice, but it still annoys me.
*** Wolf on ''CSI Miami'' admits to having [=OCD=] when he's first recruited to work
kill with the team; in fact, his meticulousness in maintaining his weapon helped land him candy bars. But of course, Paul was caught putting the job, since the man poison back, so he replaced got killed due to a poorly-kept weapon's misfire.
** According to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Monk the Other Wiki]], Monk's OCD is at least partly based on co-creator David Hoberman's own struggles with OCD. "Like Monk, I couldn't walk on cracks and
had to touch poles. I have no idea why – but if I didn't do these things, something terrible would happen."abandon ship.



[[folder: Mr. Monk is Offensive]]
* I'm not sure this counts as a Headscratcher, but did anyone else find the show rather offensive? I mean, 99% of the humor is basically "Haha, look at how silly mentally ill people are!"
** Well at the risk of sounding blunt or insensitive, sometimes mental disorders ''are'' funny. If you think about it the symptoms of OCD can be and often are pretty silly. Also, I personally believe that being able to laugh about your own problems is one of the key ingredients in resolving them. I don't mean to belittle those who suffer from genuine mental disorders like OCD, but taking things seriously all the time can't be healthy.
*** This Aspie troper would like to point out that the show was IMMENSELY popular among people suffering from certain mental disorders, including ASD-related disorders, OCD, savants, and social phobics. Can you really call it offensive when, in reality, the people that are notionally supposed to be offended by it tend to love the show? Additionally, it's worth noting that the show got less realistic in portrayal over time. Watch a season 7- or 8 episode and then watch the first scene in the pilot. It's rather stark.
*** No, actually, this obsessive-compulsive troper doesn't think the fact that it's popular makes it any less offensive. It's kind of difficult not to find it offensive when everyone you divulge your condition to immediately believes that you're a germaphobic maniac because that's how it looks on Monk.
*** Well, you're in the minority. The majority of people suffering from various related mental illnesses happen to love the show. This OCD troper thought it was ''hilarious'' and honestly doesn't think anybody of any reasonable intelligence would assume all people afflicted with OCD are like Monk.
** Doesn't the series make it abundantly clear on numerous occasions that Monk also has a bucketload of issues on ''top'' of being OCD? Not saying that it can't be found offensive, but if memory serves they did at least try to make it abundantly clear that Monk is a special case and shouldn't be taken as a completely accurate representation of OCD sufferers.

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[[folder: Mr. Monk is Offensive]]
Accidental Deceased Fall Guy Gambit]]
* I'm not sure this counts as a Headscratcher, but did anyone else find the show rather offensive? In "Mr. Monk's 100th Case," I mean, 99% of the humor is basically "Haha, look at how silly mentally ill people are!"
** Well at the risk of sounding blunt or insensitive, sometimes mental disorders ''are'' funny. If you
do think about it the symptoms of OCD can be and often are pretty silly. Also, I personally believe that being able to laugh about your own problems is one of the key ingredients in resolving them. I don't mean to belittle those who suffer from genuine mental disorders like OCD, but taking things seriously all the time can't be healthy.
*** This Aspie troper would like to point out
[[spoiler:James Novak]] had a brilliant strategy with killing his girlfriend - strangle her and pass her death off as that of an active serial killer. However, wouldn't framing said killer only work if the show was IMMENSELY popular among people suffering from certain mental disorders, including ASD-related disorders, OCD, savants, and social phobics. Can you really call it offensive when, in reality, the people that are notionally supposed to be offended by it tend to love the show? Additionally, it's worth noting that the show got less realistic in portrayal over time. Watch a season 7- or 8 episode and then watch the first scene in the pilot. guy were dead? It's rather stark.
*** No, actually, this obsessive-compulsive troper doesn't think
bugging me a little bit, but I almost wonder if the fact that it's popular makes it any less offensive. It's kind of difficult not to find it offensive when everyone you divulge your condition to immediately believes that you're a germaphobic maniac because that's how it looks on Monk.
*** Well, you're in the minority. The majority of people suffering from various related mental illnesses happen to love the show. This OCD troper thought it was ''hilarious'' and honestly doesn't think anybody of any reasonable intelligence
original serial killer would assume all people afflicted with OCD are like Monk.
** Doesn't the series make it abundantly clear on numerous occasions that Monk also has a bucketload of issues on ''top'' of being OCD? Not saying that it can't
have to be found offensive, but if memory serves they did at least try and killed in order for him to make it abundantly clear be easier to frame for the fourth victim, as he would have been able to prove himself innocent of that Monk is a special case and shouldn't be murder if taken as alive. It just makes me wonder whether [[spoiler:Douglas Thurman]] really shot himself or he was shot by [[spoiler:Novak]] before the SWAT team could break in, allowing a completely accurate representation DeceasedFallGuyGambit to happen. Although yes it wouldn't make any sense if the guy hadn't left San Francisco and was still at the scene of OCD sufferers.his crime when Thurman was first sighted.
** Even if he were taken alive, would people believe a serial killer?



[[folder: When Did Monk Develop OCD?]]
* The pilot tells us that Monk developed OCD after Trudy was murdered. So why does he always show obvious symptoms in flashbacks of before the murder, back to and including his grade school years?
** All series deviate someway after the pilot. They didn't think they would have time to show it so they just kinda made it self-explanatory.
** Monk has always had OCD from birth, and managed to control it to some extent as a kid. When he met Trudy her influence helped him to control his OCD even better appearing to most people to have beaten it and any new acquaintances wouldn't have noticed. With the trauma of Trudy's death though, the OCD came roaring back (having taken several levels in badass) to it's current overpowering level.
*** The pilot says the extremity of Monk's case is related to his trauma.
*** Monk ''has OCD and has many phobias''. He also demonstrates a variety of symptoms common to people with Asperger Syndrome (outdated diagnosis but appropriate to the show's timeline) and other variants of Autism (currently the official status for both is Autism Spectrum Disorder). All his behaviors together stretch believability to its limits. Monk is not autistic. But his mother was clearly portrayed as high functioning autistic and she raised her children as if they were also autistic. She was apparently the only parental influence on her children. These are huge environmental factors. Not unexpectedly, her children developed atypical behaviors. Monk's oddities were not crippling, until Trudy was murdered. We see and are told about Monk's behavior before; basically he was odd but not debilitated. All this add some degree of credibility. However, much of the show is wrong, wrongly, wrongfully, wrong wrongness. ''Much like anything else on TV''. People need to relax a bit and enjoy the show, within the confines of knowing it is inaccurate and requires an appropriate level of suspension of disbelief. I have ASD. There are very few characters I can relate to on TV. Fewer still that are successful (ultimately, Monk is successful from the very first episode). I love the show. What are some other characters I might choose to relate to? The Riddler, Dr. Jekyll, Norman Bates, Percy Wetmore, Charlie Brown, Walter Mitty, Gollum, Hannibal Lecter? How about have a little outrage against those characters instead? Ok, realistically there are some more positive examples. How about, uhm, Count von Count? *sigh*. BTW, OCD is not an illness and autism neither is a mental illness (look it up).

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[[folder: When Did Payment is Out of Balance]]
* So in "Mr.
Monk Develop OCD?]]
* The pilot tells us
and the Cobra" Monk says he pays Natalie exactly what he paid Sharona. He eventually decides to raise her pay to cover expenses, which would imply Natalie makes more than Sharona did. But then in Sharona's TheBusCameBack episode, she says how much Monk paid her and it's apparently more than what Natalie gets. Continuity error? I guess it's possible Monk just lied to Natalie, but given how terrible he generally is why bother? Is he really that cheap?
** One possibility is
that Monk developed OCD after Trudy actually paid Sharona a certain amount for being his assistant and a certain amount for being his nurse. Since Natalie wasn't his nurse, he considered that he was murdered. So paying her the same amount for the work she was doing. Sharona earning more could also explain why does he always show obvious symptoms in flashbacks of before Sharona was able to pay for all the murder, back to and including his grade school years?
** All series deviate someway after the pilot. They didn't think they would have time to show it so they just kinda made it self-explanatory.
**
expenses out of her own income while Natalie couldn't. It doesn't explain why Monk has always had OCD from birth, and managed to control it to some extent as a kid. When he met Trudy her influence helped him to control his OCD even better appearing to most people to have beaten it and any new acquaintances wouldn't have noticed. With the trauma get rid of Trudy's death though, the OCD came roaring back (having taken several levels in badass) office to it's current overpowering level.
*** The pilot says the extremity of Monk's case is related to
cover Natalie's extra expenses, although maybe after Sharona left he ended up increasing his trauma.
***
therapy schedule and hence didn't have as much spare income.
** This troper always believed that Monk’s insurance was paying part of Sharona’s salary because she was originally a straight-up nurse, and
Monk ''has OCD and has many phobias''. He also demonstrates a variety of symptoms common to people with Asperger Syndrome (outdated diagnosis but appropriate to paid the show's timeline) and other variants of Autism (currently the official status for both is Autism Spectrum Disorder). All his behaviors together stretch believability to its limits. rest. Then Monk is pays Natalie the same amount he paid Sharona, but without insurance kicking in since she’s not autistic. But his mother was clearly portrayed as high functioning autistic a nurse, she ends up taking home less than Sharona did. This of course falls apart anyway when Monk admits in “Mr. Monk and she raised her children as if they were also autistic. She was apparently the only parental influence on her children. These are huge environmental factors. Not unexpectedly, her children developed atypical behaviors. Monk's oddities were not crippling, until Trudy was murdered. We see and are told about Monk's behavior before; basically he was odd but not debilitated. All this add some degree of credibility. However, much of the show is wrong, wrongly, wrongfully, wrong wrongness. ''Much like anything else on TV''. People need to relax a bit and enjoy the show, within the confines of knowing it is inaccurate and requires an appropriate level of suspension of disbelief. I have ASD. There are very few characters I can relate to on TV. Fewer still Sharona” that are successful (ultimately, Monk is successful from the very first episode). I love the show. What are some other characters I might choose to relate to? The Riddler, Dr. Jekyll, Norman Bates, Percy Wetmore, Charlie Brown, Walter Mitty, Gollum, Hannibal Lecter? How about have a little outrage against those characters instead? Ok, realistically there are some he actually did pay Sharona more positive examples. How about, uhm, Count von Count? *sigh*. BTW, OCD is not an illness and autism neither is a mental illness (look it up).than Natalie because “Her kid...ate more!” but then the question itself becomes irrelevant.



[[folder: Not the Time, Sharona/Natalie]]
* In "Mr. Monk vs. the Cobra", I thought of Natalie as acting like a bit of a bitch. I mean, yes, Natalie, I know Monk wasn't really paying you fairly, but it's a goddamn annoying thing to do if you bring it up while he's trying to question someone about a homicide! Especially when the homicide in question is one where Stottlemeyer's career is in jeopardy if he goes public and gets proven wrong. And storming out on Monk in the morgue in a huff right when he was about to tell her he solved the case is kinda rude.
** You're right that Natalie was being unfair, but you do need to remember that this was her second episode. She had just started a new job on top of the stress of being a single parent. Being Monk's assistant likely came with requirements she didn't see coming (this IS Monk we're talking about). Then BAM - her expenses aren't covered...over an empty office. She just blew up (this happens, even on the job; I'm sure Monk and Natalie have had a lot of incidents where this has happened to them or to someone they're talking to) and stormed away. Remember that Monk was only noticed missing when she came back to apologize and he wasn't there. It was part plot device and part character development, mostly the former since they needed to have Monk be alone for Chris Downey to knock him out and bury him in a coffin.
*** That's the Watsonian explanation for Natalie's behavior there. The Doylist explanation is a bit simpler: EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. "Mr. Monk vs. the Cobra" and the other scripts in the second part of season 3 were written for ''Sharona'', not for Natalie. They were already written by the time Bitty Schram quit the show over a contract dispute. There wasn't enough time to go back and completely rewrite the scripts to accommodate Natalie's much different personality, so for the most part, the scriptwriters just changed Sharona's name to Natalie without considering that Natalie would handle situations differently from Sharona. Case in point, "Mr. Monk and the Election" was said in the ''Official Episode Guide'' that covered seasons 1-4 to have been written with Sharona in mind, not for Natalie, explaining the weirdness of Natalie running for a spot on the school board so shortly after starting to work for Monk.
** Sharona was prone to this, too. It's in "Mr. Monk and the Billionaire Mugger": she's heckling Stottlemeyer about Monk's consulting fee (as he's been unable to pay her for a few weeks). Yes, Sharona, it's important that you be Monk's advocate, so petitioning Stottlemeyer for a consulting fee raise so that Monk can actually pay you since your check bounced is important to you, but doing so at a crime scene, especially when the dead person is a high-profile person like Sidney Teal. It's also kind of tasteless doing it in the presence of a dead body.
*** To Sharona's credit, you could interpret it that she feels like if she does not stand up for this pay increase right there and then, the Mayor and the SFPD will just keep taking advantage of Monk. Still, Stottlemeyer ought to have told Sharona to make a proper appointment with him so they could discuss the money issues at a time when he can give her 100% of his focus, rather than at a time when he has the responsibility of dealing with a major crime scene.
*** Going further, it actually should have been ''Sharona's'' job to track down Leo Otterman and make him pay his fee to them. That definitely seems like Sharona's job to do, because it is more of the administrative aspect of Monk's detective work that Monk obviously is not cut out for. And since Monk does not like conflict, but Sharona is able to deal well with conflict and confrontation, this would have been one way that she could have helped Monk out and fixed her problem.

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[[folder: Not the Time, Sharona/Natalie]]
Killer Forgot One (Car) Detail]]
* In "Mr. Monk vs. the Cobra", I thought of Natalie as acting like Gets Hypnotized" is a bit of a bitch. I mean, yes, Natalie, I know Monk wasn't really paying you fairly, but it's a goddamn annoying good episode, no doubt. The FakedKidnapping MO Sally Larkin uses to kill her husband is very clever. Except for one glaring thing to do if you bring it up while he's trying to question someone about a homicide! Especially geography: when the homicide in question is one where Stottlemeyer's career is in jeopardy if he goes public and Randy gets proven wrong. And storming out on Monk in the morgue in a huff right when he was about to tell her he solved the case is kinda rude.
** You're right that Natalie was being unfair, but you do need to remember that this was her second episode. She had just started a new job on top of the stress of being a single parent. Being
call at Monk's assistant likely came with requirements she didn't see coming (this IS Monk we're talking about). Then BAM - her expenses aren't covered...over an empty office. She just blew up (this happens, even on the job; I'm sure Monk and Natalie have had a lot of incidents where this has happened to them or to someone they're talking to) and stormed away. Remember that Monk was only noticed missing when she came back to apologize and he wasn't there. It was part plot device and part character development, mostly the former since they needed to have Monk be alone for Chris Downey to knock him out and bury him in a coffin.
*** That's the Watsonian explanation for Natalie's behavior there. The Doylist explanation is a bit simpler: EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. "Mr. Monk vs. the Cobra" and the other scripts in the second part of season 3 were written for ''Sharona'', not for Natalie. They were already written by the time Bitty Schram quit the show over a contract dispute. There wasn't enough time to go back and completely rewrite the scripts to accommodate Natalie's much different personality, so for the most part, the scriptwriters just changed Sharona's name to Natalie without considering that Natalie would handle situations differently from Sharona. Case in point, "Mr. Monk and the Election" was said in the ''Official Episode Guide'' that covered seasons 1-4 to have been written with Sharona in mind, not for Natalie, explaining the weirdness of Natalie running for a spot on the school board so shortly after starting to work for Monk.
** Sharona was prone to this, too. It's in "Mr. Monk and the Billionaire Mugger": she's heckling Stottlemeyer
apartment about Monk's consulting fee (as he's been unable to pay her for a few weeks). Yes, Sharona, it's important Sally turning up alive, we find that you be Monk's advocate, so petitioning Stottlemeyer for a consulting fee raise so that Monk can actually pay you since your check bounced is important to you, but doing so at a crime scene, especially when the dead person is a high-profile person like Sidney Teal. It's also kind of tasteless doing it in the presence of a dead body.
*** To Sharona's credit, you could interpret it that
cabin she feels like if was hiding at is in Sonoma County, yet she does not stand up for this pay increase right there and then, the Mayor and disappears in San Francisco. Sonoma County is 70 miles north of San Francisco, way outside the SFPD will just keep taking advantage of Monk. Still, Stottlemeyer ought to have told Sharona to make a proper appointment with him so they could discuss jurisdiction. What isn't explained is: if Sally abandoned her car at the money issues at a time when he can give her 100% strip mall as part of his focus, rather than at a time when he has the responsibility of dealing with a major crime scene.
*** Going further, it actually should have been ''Sharona's'' job to track down Leo Otterman and make him pay his fee to them. That definitely seems like Sharona's job to do,
faked kidnapping, how did she go 70 miles overnight? She couldn't hitchhike because it is more of the administrative aspect of Monk's detective work that Monk obviously is not cut out for. And since Monk does not like conflict, but Sharona is able to deal well with conflict and confrontation, this would have blown her story open if the motorist remembered her and called the police. And we don't know if she somehow made it back to her house and stole one of her husband's cars, but then wouldn't he have realized one of his cars had been one way that she could have helped Monk out and fixed her problem. stolen?



[[folder: Stottlemeyer and the Hearing]]
* Early on when Monk was given the opportunity to return to active duty and Stottlemeyer spoke against him, were we supposed to side against Stottlemeyer? Based on Monk's prior and later behavior, it seems to me that his disorder does render him unable to fulfill many of the requirements of an active duty police officer. As brilliant as he is, if he can't deal with the daily responsibilities that other officers have to do, he shouldn't be doing the job.
** I don't think it's that one character was right and one was wrong. It's Monk's show, so the viewer is supposed to be sympathetic towards him, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you shouldn't have also been sympathetic towards Stottlemeyer as well; he made the call he felt he had to make, and feels like he betrayed his friend, and has to live with it.
** We're not supposed to side wholly against either of them. [[BothSidesHaveAPoint Both sides had their good points.]] Stottlemeyer had a duty to tell the truth at the hearing, which he did. On the other hand, Monk is rightly feeling betrayed that his own close friend personally torpedoed his chance to get back on the force. It does seem Monk felt that Stottlemeyer should have refused to testify at all because of their prior relationship, so that, if Monk does get rejected anyway, at least his best friend wasn't the one who had to break his heart. But the results of the hearing weren't shown until near the end of the episode and it's tough to show that both sides have their good points when you've only got 5-10 minutes left to show it.

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[[folder: Stottlemeyer and the Hearing]]
Get Thee to a Therapist]]
* Early on when In "Mr. Monk was given the opportunity to return to active duty and Stottlemeyer spoke against him, were we supposed to side against Stottlemeyer? Based on Monk's prior and later behavior, it seems to me that his disorder does render him unable to fulfill many of the requirements of an active duty police officer. As brilliant as he is, if he can't deal with the daily responsibilities that other officers have to do, he shouldn't be doing the job.
**
Takes a Punch," I don't think it's that one character was right and one was wrong. It's Monk's show, so the viewer is supposed to be sympathetic towards him, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you shouldn't have also been sympathetic towards Stottlemeyer as well; he made the call he felt he had to make, and feels like he betrayed his friend, and has to live with it.
** We're not supposed to side wholly against either of them. [[BothSidesHaveAPoint Both sides had their good points.]] Stottlemeyer had a duty to tell the truth at the hearing, which he did. On the other hand, Monk is rightly feeling betrayed that his own close friend personally torpedoed his chance to
can get back on the force. It does seem Monk felt that Stottlemeyer should have refused to testify at all and Disher use lethal force on the Iceman because of their prior relationship, so that, if Monk does get rejected anyway, at least his best friend wasn't they have no choice. But why are they seen when the one guy who had to break his heart. But hired the results of Iceman is being arrested? Unless I'm wrong, I'm fairly certain the hearing weren't shown until near the end of the episode and it's tough to show that both sides two would have their good points when you've only got 5-10 minutes left to show it.been immediately placed on temporary administrative leave in real life so they could receive counseling.



[[folder: Mr. Monk and the Milk]]
* FridgeBrilliance: Monk's phobia of milk seems silly when you hear it, but it makes sense knowing that he's a germaphobic and he most likely relates milking a cow to a cow peeing out milk or the whole process of milking very unsanitary.
** I always thought he was afraid of it because of how easy it is for even ultra pasteurized milk to go bad.
*** You do realize the ENTIRE DEFINITION of a phobia is that it has no logic, right? It is an IRRATIONAL fear. You look at something and your body tells you it's a threat. There's nothing else to it.

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[[folder: Mr. Why Kill the Paperboy?]]
* This would probably ruin the plot, but in "Mr.
Monk and the Milk]]
* FridgeBrilliance:
Paperboy," why go to the trouble of killing the paperboy? What we see is Jose and Nestor Alvarez driving the paper delivery truck through Monk's phobia of milk seems silly when you hear it, but it makes sense knowing that he's a germaphobic neighborhood. Jose stops the truck at the corner, and he most likely relates milking a cow to a cow peeing out milk or Nestor puts down the whole process of milking very unsanitary.
** I always thought
paper. But Jose tells him he was afraid of needs to put it down on the doormat, so Nestor goes back, and has to grab a new paper because of how easy it is for even ultra pasteurized milk to go bad.
*** You do realize
the ENTIRE DEFINITION of a phobia is that it original has no logic, right? It been taken. This time, Nestor fails to center the paper, so when Nestor goes back, the thief is an IRRATIONAL fear. You look at something and your body tells you it's a threat. already stealing the paper. There's nothing else a struggle, and Nestor is killed. If Vicki Salinas and her boyfriend were so eager to it.keep Kevin Dorfman from seeing the winning lottery numbers on the paper and thought the papers were Kevin's, then why couldn't the guy just wait until the paper truck drove away?
** He didn't think they'd have any reason to come back so didn't see any reason to wait for the truck to drive away.
** It does say a lot about how many times murder wouldn't be necessary if someone was just patient.



[[folder: Mr. Monk is White?]]
* A black guy gets upset at Monk for being "one of those white guys" or Mexican maids call him a "rich white man." Is he not ''conspicuously middle-eastern'' to everyone else's eyes?
** Tony Shalhoub is Lebanese, but I think that Monk himself is supposed to be white. In fact, only a few of his roles (like Frank Haddad in ''Film/TheSiege'' have him play characters of Middle-Eastern descent).
** This on top of the DoubleStandard of them ''assuming'' he's racist just because he's white. Of course, the maids [[spoiler: were also the culprits, so it may have just been a ploy to get him to back off so they don't get caught.]]
** A couple of instances had Monk posing as a Mexican laborer (in spite of not speaking very good Spanish) such as "Mr. Monk Visits a Farm" and "Mr. Monk on the Run - Part Two". Keep in mind that Monk did also pose as a Sicilian hitman. There are a lot of traits common across several continents which Monk happens to have. Besides, really he'd look equally out of place no matter where he went.
** Honestly, Shalhoub is accurately described as "white-passing." Looking at him, he could be any number of ethnic backgrounds, from Italian to Greek to Arab to Jewish to Latino. On the show he's described as "Caucasian" several times, and his ethnicity is never specified (the surname Monk sounds Waspy, but it could just as well have been a changed or Anglicized name by immigrant ancestors).

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[[folder: Mr. Monk is White?]]
No Warrant Should Be No Problem]]
* A black guy gets upset at Monk for being "one of those white guys" or Mexican maids call him a "rich white man." Is he not ''conspicuously middle-eastern'' to everyone else's eyes?
** Tony Shalhoub is Lebanese, but I think that Monk himself is supposed to be white.
In fact, only a few of his roles (like Frank Haddad in ''Film/TheSiege'' have him play characters of Middle-Eastern descent).
** This on top of the DoubleStandard of them ''assuming'' he's racist just because he's white. Of course, the maids [[spoiler: were also the culprits, so it may have just been a ploy to get him to back off so they don't get caught.]]
** A couple of instances had Monk posing as a Mexican laborer (in spite of not speaking very good Spanish) such as
"Mr. Monk Visits a Farm" and "Mr. Monk on the Run - Part Two". Keep Bully" why are they stuck waiting outside the house at the end for the warrant to come through so they can go inside and save the wife's life? They have Roderick in mind custody and it is his house. Given he would presumably be concerned for his wife's safety, couldn't they just have asked his permission to enter without a warrant?
** At
that Monk did also pose as a Sicilian hitman. There are a lot of traits common across several continents point in time, Monk, Natalie, Stottlemeyer and Disher don't know how much danger Marilyn is in. They don't realize that the twin is actively trying to kill Marilyn at that moment in time until Marilyn temporarily overpowers the twin enough to yell for help, at which Monk happens to have. Besides, really he'd look equally out of place point there's no matter where he went.
** Honestly, Shalhoub is accurately described as "white-passing." Looking at him, he could be any number of ethnic backgrounds, from Italian to Greek to Arab to Jewish to Latino. On the show he's described as "Caucasian" several times, and his ethnicity is never specified (the surname Monk sounds Waspy, but it could just as well have been
need for a changed or Anglicized name by immigrant ancestors).warrant.



[[folder: Heiress Asks for Cash]]
* When Natalie becomes Monk's new assistant, she keeps bugging him that he doesn't give her enough money. But then in ''Mr. Monk Goes to a Wedding'', we find out that she's from a rich family. That doesn't make any sense as to why she needed the money then.
** Careful with that entitlement mentality. It is entirely reasonable for people to be paid based on their worth in performing their jobs regardless of their personal (or familial) wealth. The series makes it clear that's Monk's assistants are underpaid for the job they do which usually involves tasks far beyond their job description.
** It seems to be because she doesn't get along with her family.
** She also states right out in "Mr. Monk Goes to a Wedding" that they haven't offered her financial support, and she wouldn't accept it if they did. Natalie married Mitch against their wishes because she loved him (as opposed to someone of the Davenports' social class, like Paul Buchanan), and even after he died it appears they continued to express their dislike of him to her out of pure classism. Thus, she is distant from her family and has a very tense relationship with her parents. The only one in the family she seems to have a good relationship with is her brother, who is not the head of the family and probably can't influence them to give her money.

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[[folder: Heiress Asks for Cash]]
Sharona Holmes]]
* When Natalie becomes Monk's new assistant, she keeps bugging him that he doesn't give her enough money. But then in ''Mr. Monk Goes to a Wedding'', we find out that she's from a rich family. That doesn't make any sense as to why she needed the money then.
** Careful with that entitlement mentality. It is entirely reasonable for people to be paid based on their worth in performing their jobs regardless of their personal (or familial) wealth. The series makes it clear that's Monk's assistants are underpaid for the job they do which usually involves tasks far beyond their job description.
** It seems to be because she doesn't get along with her family.
** She also states right out in
In "Mr. Monk Goes to a Wedding" that they haven't offered her financial support, and she wouldn't accept it if they did. Natalie married Mitch against their wishes because she loved him (as opposed to someone the Paperboy", Monk spends roughly the first half of the Davenports' social class, like Paul Buchanan), episode being his usual self; this includes him solving ''two'' cases just by reading a newspaper, and even after for the main case, finding various clues about it. When a separate but related killing happens, he died arrives at the scene and makes various deductions. At one point, Sharona makes a single note - that the bottle used as the weapon has lipstick on it, so it appears they continued was a woman drinking it and therefore the killer rather than the victim - and immediately it's treated as proof that Sharona is smarter than Monk (Stottlemeyer literally says as much). Pardon my language, but... what the fuck? That just makes no sense whatsoever. It was just a random way to express their dislike continue the RunningGag of him to her Sharona being physically stronger than Monk by doing something unrelated and shoehorned in. In-universe and out of pure classism. Thus, she is distant from her family and has a very tense relationship with her parents. The only one in the family she seems universe, I see no reason for it to have a good relationship with is her brother, who is not happened. There wasn't even any reason Monk couldn't have noticed the head lipstick himself - he's done crazier things, and he wasn't in any state of panic or distraction at the family and probably can't influence them to give her money.time.



[[folder: Go Directly to Jail...Why?]]
* Okay, the cult leader from "Mr. Monk Joins A Cult" is definitely a charlatan. But Monk clears his name of murder, and he didn't seem like he had committed any crimes. Why is he in jail in the 100th episode?
** He's labeled as being in there for fraud; which probably happened shortly after the episode he was in, what with Monk exposing that Ralph Roberts wasn't the paragon of physical health he claimed to be. The discovery that he doesn't live by the philosophies he extols upon his disciples doesn't help[[note]]an example: he claims "money begets envy. Envy is the root of all evil," yet he's worth a couple million dollars, owns parking lots, a TV station, and a karate school, plus seven houses and multiple offshore bank accounts[[/note]]. Everything else is obviously just a NoodleIncident and we are left to fill in the blanks.
** It was established that his cult encouraged people to empty their bank accounts and give him everything they have under the false pretense that he had developed a philosophy that could guarantee perfect health. Tricking people so they'll do something which benefits you but harms them (in this case taking everything they've got) is pretty much textbook fraud.

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[[folder: Go Directly to Jail...Why?]]
One Missed Message]]
* Okay, the cult leader from "Mr. In "Mr Monk Joins A Cult" and the earthquake", Sharona is definitely working with a charlatan. But Monk clears man who is killed by his name of murder, wife (Christine Rutherford) after an earthquake. She later meets an Australian man on the street and he didn't seem like he had committed any crimes. Why is he they appear to fall in jail in love. As it turns out, the 100th episode?
** He's labeled as being in there for fraud; which probably happened shortly
Australian dude just wanted to get to Sharona's phone because when the phone lines re-opened after the episode he was in, what with Monk exposing that Ralph Roberts wasn't earthquake, Sharona would receive a message from the paragon of physical health he claimed to be. The discovery that he doesn't live by the philosophies he extols upon his disciples doesn't help[[note]]an example: he claims "money begets envy. Envy is the root of all evil," yet he's worth a couple million dollars, owns parking lots, a TV station, and a karate school, plus seven houses and multiple offshore bank accounts[[/note]]. Everything else is obviously just a NoodleIncident and we are left to fill main murder victim in the blanks.
** It was established
story which proved that his cult encouraged people to empty their bank accounts and give him everything they have under Christine(whom the false pretense that he Australian guy was working with) had developed a philosophy that could guarantee perfect health. Tricking people so they'll do murdered him. While the murder victim was trying to leave the message, he says something which benefits like "Christine, what are you but harms them (in this case taking everything they've got) is pretty much textbook fraud.doing?" because the wife was about to hit him over the head with a vase and blame it on the aftermath of the earthquake. In the flashback, it shows that the wife shortly afterward discovered her husband's message to Sharona and realized it would be a problem. The problem is, the victim was never on the phone with Sharona in the introduction scene where he was killed by the wife. He was just walking around observing the damage from the earthquake. Why would Sharona receive a message from him?



[[folder: Mr. Monk and the Bad Bonding Trip Idea]]
* In the episode where Monk's dad gets arrested - why do all of his friends/colleagues think that he should reunite and bond with his dad? The man has been missing for forty years, he abandoned their family when Monk was 8 years old! He shows no interest in staying in town to spend time with Adrian or Ambrose, and is overall an unpleasant and unapologetic person. It seems totally out of character for Adrian's friends to suggest he go on a road trip with his father, since they all know what he did and have seen the psychological ramifications of Jack's choices on both Adrian and Ambrose. Possibly Dr. Kroger would suggest it (so that Adrian can get over his own issues regarding his father), but the everyman would NOT side with the dad in this case, much less suggest someone as emotionally fragile as Mr. Monk go on what is obviously going to be a stressful and possibly traumatic trip.
** Although it's definitely true the trip would obviously be stressful, Jack Monk, Sr. has to be in his seventies, and wouldn't live forever. Now Adrian has met the guy. Think of how dissatisfied he'd feel years down the track when he finally reads his father's obituary, knowing he never had a chance to personally forgive the man. In RealLife, people don't get the chance to forgive the people that have screwed them over - and it's a pretty priceless thing, not to get all sappy...

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[[folder: Mr. Monk and Finds the Bad Bonding Trip Idea]]
Sierra Spring]]
* In "Mr. Monk Gets Cabin Fever" why was Monk willing to drink the episode where Monk's dad gets arrested - why do all of his friends/colleagues think water off the ground? Even if it was Sierra Springs, it was still ground water and a stream that he two other people had been drinking out of which should reunite and bond with his dad? The man has have been missing for forty years, he abandoned their family when enough to put Monk off. Putting that aside though, Natalie justified it being Sierra Springs by saying the bottling plant was 8 years old! He shows no interest in staying in town "right over that hill". So there were presumably hundreds of bottles of clean, treated, non-on-the-ground water quite nearby which should have appealed to Monk much more. I know that the joke was that it was free but, while Monk being cheap is occasionally joked about, this is the man who'd buy several glasses of scotch he wasn't even going to drink just to make a bottle even. When it comes to his OCD, he is perfectly willing to spend time with Adrian or Ambrose, and is overall an unpleasant and unapologetic person. It seems totally out of character for Adrian's friends to suggest he go on a road trip with his father, since they all know what he did and have seen the psychological ramifications of Jack's choices on both Adrian and Ambrose. Possibly Dr. Kroger would suggest it (so that Adrian can get over his own issues regarding his father), but the everyman would NOT side with the dad in this case, much less suggest someone as emotionally fragile as Mr. Monk go on what is obviously going to be a stressful and possibly traumatic trip.
** Although it's definitely true the trip would obviously be stressful, Jack Monk, Sr. has to be in his seventies, and wouldn't live forever. Now Adrian has met the guy. Think of how dissatisfied he'd feel years down the track when he finally reads his father's obituary, knowing he never had a chance to personally forgive the man. In RealLife, people don't get the chance to forgive the people that have screwed them over - and it's a pretty priceless thing, not to get all sappy...
needs to.



[[folder: Gilstrap Didn't Think This Through]]
* In the Halloween episode "Mr. Monk Goes Home Again", Paul Gilstrap wants to kill his wife by poisoning a candy bar she is fond of, but he also poisons several other candy bars and puts them back into circulation so it looks like a serial killer committed the crime instead. The problem is that the poison he uses is a synthetic one from a lab that works in that it ''hasn't been released yet.'' if his plan had actually succeeded wouldn't he be the only person connected to the crime anyway? Especially since the rest of the candy bars could have been traced back to the grocery store close to his house. Also how does Ambrose identify the poison as being in insecticides if it hadn't been released yet?
** Yes, but the idea is that it would take a while for the police to have traced the crime back to him. It's never explained if he did plant a few poison bars at other stores.
*** Adding onto this, Gilstrap isn't the only person working in that lab. There's deniability there, that maybe some other person took the poison to kill with the candy bars. But of course, Paul was caught putting the poison back, so he had to abandon ship.

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[[folder: Gilstrap Didn't Think This Through]]
* In
Mr. Monk's Assistant, the Halloween episode Fallen Toothpaste Princess]]
* Overall I found Natalie's past very interesting on how she grew up very rich, but then willingly gave that up and transitioned to a middle-class life. What was the reason behind it? Was it because she believed that her parent's money wasn't needed for her to live a happy life, or because she married Mitch and he wasn't from a high social class?
** Everything we see about Natalie's relationship with her parents in
"Mr. Monk Goes Home Again", to a Wedding" gives us lots to speculate on. It's certainly a possibility that her parents weren’t happy with the fact that Mitch wasn’t from an elite social standing. As a result, Natalie realized that she no longer wanted to be affiliated with them and keep Mitch’s name. Other elements we learn of her past in other episodes give the impression that she believed money doesn’t always translate into happiness and that love is more important, and when she lost Mitch, that goes to show that no matter how well life is going, it can still knock you down. Basically, she knew she would live a happier and more fulfilling life in a middle-class life with just Mitch and Julie, and then eventually just Monk and Julie because, in a way, Monk really does become a father figure for Julie.
** It's made apparent through Natalie's comments in the wedding episode that it was the rejection of Mitch that seemed to be the major breaking point in their relationship. They refused to see what Mitch gave to her emotionally. They didn't even seem to view him as a respectable individual, being an Air Force pilot and all. Instead, they simply saw the word "Commoner" stamped across him and figured he had taken their daughter for a fool. Compare that to how they wanted to set Natalie up with
Paul Gilstrap wants to kill Buchanan in "Mr. Monk Is At Your Service", no doubt because of his wife by poisoning a candy bar social standing and he was "available", with no consideration for how he terrorized Natalie and beat up her high school boyfriend.
** The biggest acknowledgement of Natalie's relationship with her parents is that
she is fond of, never told Stottlemeyer, Randy, or Monk that she was a Davenport before the wedding. Even when Natalie was asking Randy and then asking Stottlemeyer to find her a date to go with her, it was only "Natalie's brother's wedding" and they didn't learn the name Davenport until Randy looked at the invitation. By this point in time, Natalie had been working for Monk for almost a year, and the episode does really give the impression that if it wasn't for the wedding itself and if they hadn't seen the invitation, Natalie never would have told any of them that she was a Davenport.
** Keeping Mitch's last name was definitely a move that Natalie made that spoke volumes about her parents,
but he to a lesser extent, it's also poisons possible Natalie felt it would be easier for her as a single mother to have the same last name as her school-aged child. (Sort of the same reasoning Sharona still kept Trevor's last name because of Benjy until he graduated school, and Karen probably kept Leland's last name because of the boys.)
** According to the novel ''Mr. Monk is Miserable'', Natalie and Mitch eloped for
several other candy bars weeks in Europe and puts them back into circulation so it looks like a serial killer committed were really stressed about returning to the crime instead. The problem is United States to be met by her parents who were furious at this "betrayal". However, we see that even though it's her brother's wedding, her mother has to micromanage every little aspect of it, to the poison he uses point of disdainfully lifting her nose at the "slight" of having Randy, a police officer, being Natalie's "plus one", as if Natalie was purposefully spiting her family with a slight, and later shows a similar disdain towards Monk for the same reasons.
** Curiously, Julie has a decent enough relationship with her grandparents, which
is a synthetic one from a lab kinda odd seeing as how Natalie was low contact with them. Peggy and Bobby Davenport never accepted Mitch, clearly due to some combination of the status and because Natalie married young, and that works in obviously hurt Natalie a lot. But you'd think that it ''hasn't been released yet.'' if his plan had actually succeeded Natalie felt so strongly about it, she wouldn't he be the only person connected to the crime anyway? Especially since the rest of the candy bars could have been traced back to the grocery store close to his house. Also how does Ambrose identify the poison as being in insecticides if it hadn't been released yet?
** Yes, but the idea is that it would take a while for the police to have traced the crime back to him. It's never explained if he did plant a few poison bars at other stores.
*** Adding onto this, Gilstrap isn't the only person working in that lab. There's deniability there, that maybe some other person took the poison to kill with the candy bars. But of course, Paul was caught putting the poison back, so he had to abandon ship.
want Julie "contaminated" by her grandparents' elitism and snobbery.



[[folder: Accidental Deceased Fall Guy Gambit]]
* In "Mr. Monk's 100th Case," I do think that [[spoiler:James Novak]] had a brilliant strategy with killing his girlfriend - strangle her and pass her death off as that of an active serial killer. However, wouldn't framing said killer only work if the guy were dead? It's bugging me a little bit, but I almost wonder if the original serial killer would have to be found and killed in order for him to be easier to frame for the fourth victim, as he would have been able to prove himself innocent of that murder if taken alive. It just makes me wonder whether [[spoiler:Douglas Thurman]] really shot himself or he was shot by [[spoiler:Novak]] before the SWAT team could break in, allowing a DeceasedFallGuyGambit to happen. Although yes it wouldn't make any sense if the guy hadn't left San Francisco and was still at the scene of his crime when Thurman was first sighted.
** Even if he were taken alive, would people believe a serial killer?

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[[folder: Accidental Deceased Fall Guy Gambit]]
Mr. Monk Cracks the (Blue) Code]]
* In "Mr. Monk's 100th Case," I do think that [[spoiler:James Novak]] had a brilliant strategy with killing his girlfriend - strangle her After watching “Mr. Monk and pass her death off as that of an active serial killer. However, wouldn't framing said killer only work if the guy were dead? It's bugging me Badge”, I was left wondering how Monk, a little bit, but I almost wonder if the original serial killer would have man unafraid to be found and killed in order for him to be easier to frame for the fourth victim, as he would call out lawbreakers regardless of their professions, could have been able to prove himself innocent a cop in the first place. Corruption is commonplace in big-city police departments, and those who don’t go along with the “blue wall of silence” end up being ostracized - or worse.
** Early in this episode, Monk was welcomed back with open arms, implying he had some friends on the force besides Stottlemeyer and Disher. But when he openly theorized
that murder if taken alive. It just makes me wonder whether [[spoiler:Douglas Thurman]] a murdered rookie cop was on the take, these “friends” treat him like dirt. If they knew Monk from “the old days” and were aware of his detective skills, why would they not give him the benefit of the doubt?
** In “Mr. Monk Gets Jury Duty”, Monk said he preferred working alone as a cop. So the only friends he
really shot himself or he was shot by [[spoiler:Novak]] before the SWAT team could break in, allowing a DeceasedFallGuyGambit to happen. Although yes it wouldn't make any sense if the guy hadn't left San Francisco and was still at the scene of his crime when Thurman was first sighted.
** Even if he
had were taken alive, would people believe a serial killer?Stottlemeyer and Disher. The other cops appreciated Monk’s detective skills, but apparently didn’t like him.



[[folder: Payment is Out of Balance]]
* So in "Mr. Monk and the Cobra" Monk says he pays Natalie exactly what he paid Sharona. He eventually decides to raise her pay to cover expenses, which would imply Natalie makes more than Sharona did. But then in Sharona's TheBusCameBack episode, she says how much Monk paid her and it's apparently more than what Natalie gets. Continuity error? I guess it's possible Monk just lied to Natalie, but given how terrible he generally is why bother? Is he really that cheap?
** One possibility is that Monk actually paid Sharona a certain amount for being his assistant and a certain amount for being his nurse. Since Natalie wasn't his nurse, he considered that he was paying her the same amount for the work she was doing. Sharona earning more could also explain why Sharona was able to pay for all the expenses out of her own income while Natalie couldn't. It doesn't explain why Monk had to get rid of Trudy's office to cover Natalie's extra expenses, although maybe after Sharona left he ended up increasing his therapy schedule and hence didn't have as much spare income.
** This troper always believed that Monk’s insurance was paying part of Sharona’s salary because she was originally a straight-up nurse, and Monk paid the rest. Then Monk pays Natalie the same amount he paid Sharona, but without insurance kicking in since she’s not a nurse, she ends up taking home less than Sharona did. This of course falls apart anyway when Monk admits in “Mr. Monk and Sharona” that he actually did pay Sharona more than Natalie because “Her kid...ate more!” but then the question itself becomes irrelevant.

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[[folder: Payment is Out of Balance]]
* So in "Mr.
Mr. Monk and Meets the Cobra" Monk says Slayboy]]
* Dex Larson kills Elliot [=DeSouza=] because
he pays Natalie exactly what he paid Sharona. He eventually decides told him he'd decided to raise her pay to cover expenses, shut down ''Sapphire'', which was bleeding money. He asks him not to tell the others (claiming that he wants one last fun weekend), so once Elliot dies, Dex's decadent lifestyle is safe again. But if ''Sapphire'' was such a money drain, he had to have expected that it would imply Natalie makes more than Sharona did. But then in Sharona's TheBusCameBack episode, she says how much Monk paid her and it's apparently more than what Natalie gets. Continuity error? I guess it's only be a matter of time before someone else made the same decision. What was his plan, [[CrimeAfterCrime just keep murdering people]] until they either declare ''Sapphire'' inviolable or he gets caught?
** It's
possible Monk just lied to Natalie, but he believed ''Sapphire'' could be made profitable again given how terrible he generally is why bother? Is he really that cheap?
** One possibility is that Monk actually paid Sharona a certain amount for being his assistant and a certain amount for being his nurse. Since Natalie wasn't his nurse, he considered that he was paying her the same amount for the work she was doing. Sharona earning
more could also explain why Sharona was able to pay time, or it would hold up long enough for all the expenses out of her own income while Natalie couldn't. It doesn't explain why Monk had him to get rid of Trudy's office to cover Natalie's extra expenses, although maybe after Sharona left comfortably retire, or he ended up increasing his therapy schedule and hence just genuinely didn't have as much spare income.
** This troper always believed
care to think that Monk’s insurance was paying part of Sharona’s salary because she was originally a straight-up nurse, and Monk paid the rest. Then Monk pays Natalie the same amount he paid Sharona, but without insurance kicking far in since she’s not a nurse, she ends up taking home less than Sharona did. This of course falls apart anyway when Monk admits in “Mr. Monk and Sharona” that he actually did pay Sharona more than Natalie because “Her kid...ate more!” but then the question itself becomes irrelevant. advance.



[[folder: Killer Forgot One (Car) Detail]]
* "Mr. Monk Gets Hypnotized" is a good episode, no doubt. The FakedKidnapping MO Sally Larkin uses to kill her husband is very clever. Except for one glaring thing about geography: when Randy gets the call at Monk's apartment about Sally turning up alive, we find that the cabin she was hiding at is in Sonoma County, yet she disappears in San Francisco. Sonoma County is 70 miles north of San Francisco, way outside the SFPD jurisdiction. What isn't explained is: if Sally abandoned her car at the strip mall as part of the faked kidnapping, how did she go 70 miles overnight? She couldn't hitchhike because that would have blown her story open if the motorist remembered her and called the police. And we don't know if she somehow made it back to her house and stole one of her husband's cars, but then wouldn't he have realized one of his cars had been stolen?

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[[folder: Killer Forgot One (Car) Detail]]
Why would Murderuss kill Woody Mitchum?]]
* In "Mr. Monk Gets Hypnotized" and the Rapper", the rapper Murderuss is a good episode, no doubt. The FakedKidnapping MO Sally Larkin uses to kill her husband is very clever. Except put under suspicion for one glaring thing about geography: when Randy gets murdering fellow rapper Xtra Large with a car bomb in the call at Monk's apartment about Sally turning up alive, latter's limo. This is due to details like the blasting cap used for the bomb being stolen from a construction site close to his house, the watch used to set the bomb off being a particular type of pocket watch he uses. However, we find out that the cabin she was hiding at is killer, record producer Denny Hodges, wasn't trying to kill Large, but rather his business partner Woody Mitchum in Sonoma County, yet she disappears in San Francisco. Sonoma County is 70 miles north of San Francisco, way outside order to have all the SFPD jurisdiction. What isn't explained is: if Sally abandoned her car at the strip mall as part of the faked kidnapping, how did she go 70 miles overnight? She couldn't hitchhike profits to himself. The bomb killed Large because that Denny had forgotten to factor for Daylight Savings when timing the bomb, meaning it went off an hour later than it was supposed to, so the limo dropped off Mitchum and picked up Large.\\\
Here's my question: If Hodges was trying to kill Woody, why
would he make the bomb so it looks like Murderuss did it? What motive would Murderuss have blown her story open if for killing the motorist remembered her guy? He worked a different label.
** Good point. Maybe he hoped it would be taken as an attack against Extra Large's label?
** Most likely he just needed a scapegoat
and called Murderuss was the police. And we don't know if she somehow made it back to her house first person he figured he could do that for. And/or he could get a little extra victory by framing Murderuss for murder, discrediting his label, and stole one of her husband's cars, but then wouldn't he have realized one of thus getting his cars had been stolen?own label better business or publicity.




[[folder: Get Thee to a Therapist]]
* In "Mr. Monk Takes a Punch," I can get that Stottlemeyer and Disher use lethal force on the Iceman because they have no choice. But why are they seen when the guy who had hired the Iceman is being arrested? Unless I'm wrong, I'm fairly certain the two would have been immediately placed on temporary administrative leave in real life so they could receive counseling.
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[[folder: Why Kill the Paperboy?]]
* This would probably ruin the plot, but in "Mr. Monk and the Paperboy," why go to the trouble of killing the paperboy? What we see is Jose and Nestor Alvarez driving the paper delivery truck through Monk's neighborhood. Jose stops the truck at the corner, and Nestor puts down the paper. But Jose tells him he needs to put it down on the doormat, so Nestor goes back, and has to grab a new paper because the original has been taken. This time, Nestor fails to center the paper, so when Nestor goes back, the thief is already stealing the paper. There's a struggle, and Nestor is killed. If Vicki Salinas and her boyfriend were so eager to keep Kevin Dorfman from seeing the winning lottery numbers on the paper and thought the papers were Kevin's, then why couldn't the guy just wait until the paper truck drove away?
** He didn't think they'd have any reason to come back so didn't see any reason to wait for the truck to drive away.
** It does say a lot about how many times murder wouldn't be necessary if someone was just patient.
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[[folder: No Warrant Should Be No Problem]]
* In "Mr. Monk and the Bully" why are they stuck waiting outside the house at the end for the warrant to come through so they can go inside and save the wife's life? They have Roderick in custody and it is his house. Given he would presumably be concerned for his wife's safety, couldn't they just have asked his permission to enter without a warrant?
** At that point in time, Monk, Natalie, Stottlemeyer and Disher don't know how much danger Marilyn is in. They don't realize that the twin is actively trying to kill Marilyn at that moment in time until Marilyn temporarily overpowers the twin enough to yell for help, at which point there's no need for a warrant.
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[[folder: Sharona Holmes]]
* In "Mr. Monk and the Paperboy", Monk spends roughly the first half of the episode being his usual self; this includes him solving ''two'' cases just by reading a newspaper, and for the main case, finding various clues about it. When a separate but related killing happens, he arrives at the scene and makes various deductions. At one point, Sharona makes a single note - that the bottle used as the weapon has lipstick on it, so it was a woman drinking it and therefore the killer rather than the victim - and immediately it's treated as proof that Sharona is smarter than Monk (Stottlemeyer literally says as much). Pardon my language, but... what the fuck? That just makes no sense whatsoever. It was just a random way to continue the RunningGag of Sharona being physically stronger than Monk by doing something unrelated and shoehorned in. In-universe and out of universe, I see no reason for it to have happened. There wasn't even any reason Monk couldn't have noticed the lipstick himself - he's done crazier things, and he wasn't in any state of panic or distraction at the time.
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[[folder: One Missed Message]]
* In "Mr Monk and the earthquake", Sharona is working with a man who is killed by his wife (Christine Rutherford) after an earthquake. She later meets an Australian man on the street and they appear to fall in love. As it turns out, the Australian dude just wanted to get to Sharona's phone because when the phone lines re-opened after the earthquake, Sharona would receive a message from the main murder victim in the story which proved that Christine(whom the Australian guy was working with) had murdered him. While the murder victim was trying to leave the message, he says something like "Christine, what are you doing?" because the wife was about to hit him over the head with a vase and blame it on the aftermath of the earthquake. In the flashback, it shows that the wife shortly afterward discovered her husband's message to Sharona and realized it would be a problem. The problem is, the victim was never on the phone with Sharona in the introduction scene where he was killed by the wife. He was just walking around observing the damage from the earthquake. Why would Sharona receive a message from him?
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[[folder: Mr. Monk Finds the Sierra Spring]]
* In "Mr. Monk Gets Cabin Fever" why was Monk willing to drink the water off the ground? Even if it was Sierra Springs, it was still ground water and a stream that two other people had been drinking out of which should have been enough to put Monk off. Putting that aside though, Natalie justified it being Sierra Springs by saying the bottling plant was "right over that hill". So there were presumably hundreds of bottles of clean, treated, non-on-the-ground water quite nearby which should have appealed to Monk much more. I know that the joke was that it was free but, while Monk being cheap is occasionally joked about, this is the man who'd buy several glasses of scotch he wasn't even going to drink just to make a bottle even. When it comes to his OCD, he is perfectly willing to spend what he needs to.
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[[folder: Mr. Monk's Assistant, the Fallen Toothpaste Princess]]
* Overall I found Natalie's past very interesting on how she grew up very rich, but then willingly gave that up and transitioned to a middle-class life. What was the reason behind it? Was it because she believed that her parent's money wasn't needed for her to live a happy life, or because she married Mitch and he wasn't from a high social class?
** Everything we see about Natalie's relationship with her parents in "Mr. Monk Goes to a Wedding" gives us lots to speculate on. It's certainly a possibility that her parents weren’t happy with the fact that Mitch wasn’t from an elite social standing. As a result, Natalie realized that she no longer wanted to be affiliated with them and keep Mitch’s name. Other elements we learn of her past in other episodes give the impression that she believed money doesn’t always translate into happiness and that love is more important, and when she lost Mitch, that goes to show that no matter how well life is going, it can still knock you down. Basically, she knew she would live a happier and more fulfilling life in a middle-class life with just Mitch and Julie, and then eventually just Monk and Julie because, in a way, Monk really does become a father figure for Julie.
** It's made apparent through Natalie's comments in the wedding episode that it was the rejection of Mitch that seemed to be the major breaking point in their relationship. They refused to see what Mitch gave to her emotionally. They didn't even seem to view him as a respectable individual, being an Air Force pilot and all. Instead, they simply saw the word "Commoner" stamped across him and figured he had taken their daughter for a fool. Compare that to how they wanted to set Natalie up with Paul Buchanan in "Mr. Monk Is At Your Service", no doubt because of his social standing and he was "available", with no consideration for how he terrorized Natalie and beat up her high school boyfriend.
** The biggest acknowledgement of Natalie's relationship with her parents is that she never told Stottlemeyer, Randy, or Monk that she was a Davenport before the wedding. Even when Natalie was asking Randy and then asking Stottlemeyer to find her a date to go with her, it was only "Natalie's brother's wedding" and they didn't learn the name Davenport until Randy looked at the invitation. By this point in time, Natalie had been working for Monk for almost a year, and the episode does really give the impression that if it wasn't for the wedding itself and if they hadn't seen the invitation, Natalie never would have told any of them that she was a Davenport.
** Keeping Mitch's last name was definitely a move that Natalie made that spoke volumes about her parents, but to a lesser extent, it's also possible Natalie felt it would be easier for her as a single mother to have the same last name as her school-aged child. (Sort of the same reasoning Sharona still kept Trevor's last name because of Benjy until he graduated school, and Karen probably kept Leland's last name because of the boys.)
** According to the novel ''Mr. Monk is Miserable'', Natalie and Mitch eloped for several weeks in Europe and were really stressed about returning to the United States to be met by her parents who were furious at this "betrayal". However, we see that even though it's her brother's wedding, her mother has to micromanage every little aspect of it, to the point of disdainfully lifting her nose at the "slight" of having Randy, a police officer, being Natalie's "plus one", as if Natalie was purposefully spiting her family with a slight, and later shows a similar disdain towards Monk for the same reasons.
** Curiously, Julie has a decent enough relationship with her grandparents, which is kinda odd seeing as how Natalie was low contact with them. Peggy and Bobby Davenport never accepted Mitch, clearly due to some combination of the status and because Natalie married young, and that obviously hurt Natalie a lot. But you'd think that if Natalie felt so strongly about it, she wouldn't want Julie "contaminated" by her grandparents' elitism and snobbery.
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[[folder: Mr. Monk Cracks the (Blue) Code]]
* After watching “Mr. Monk and the Badge”, I was left wondering how Monk, a man unafraid to call out lawbreakers regardless of their professions, could have been a cop in the first place. Corruption is commonplace in big-city police departments, and those who don’t go along with the “blue wall of silence” end up being ostracized - or worse.
** Early in this episode, Monk was welcomed back with open arms, implying he had some friends on the force besides Stottlemeyer and Disher. But when he openly theorized that a murdered rookie cop was on the take, these “friends” treat him like dirt. If they knew Monk from “the old days” and were aware of his detective skills, why would they not give him the benefit of the doubt?
** In “Mr. Monk Gets Jury Duty”, Monk said he preferred working alone as a cop. So the only friends he really had were Stottlemeyer and Disher. The other cops appreciated Monk’s detective skills, but apparently didn’t like him.
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[[folder: Mr. Monk Meets the Slayboy]]
* Dex Larson kills Elliot [=DeSouza=] because he told him he'd decided to shut down ''Sapphire'', which was bleeding money. He asks him not to tell the others (claiming that he wants one last fun weekend), so once Elliot dies, Dex's decadent lifestyle is safe again. But if ''Sapphire'' was such a money drain, he had to have expected that it would only be a matter of time before someone else made the same decision. What was his plan, [[CrimeAfterCrime just keep murdering people]] until they either declare ''Sapphire'' inviolable or he gets caught?
** It's possible he believed ''Sapphire'' could be made profitable again given more time, or it would hold up long enough for him to comfortably retire, or he just genuinely didn't care to think that far in advance.
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[[folder: Why would Murderuss kill Woody Mitchum?]]

* In "Mr. Monk and the Rapper", the rapper Murderuss is put under suspicion for murdering fellow rapper Xtra Large with a car bomb in the latter's limo. This is due to details like the blasting cap used for the bomb being stolen from a construction site close to his house, the watch used to set the bomb off being a particular type of pocket watch he uses. However, we find out that the killer, record producer Denny Hodges, wasn't trying to kill Large, but rather his business partner Woody Mitchum in order to have all the profits to himself. The bomb killed Large because Denny had forgotten to factor for Daylight Savings when timing the bomb, meaning it went off an hour later than it was supposed to, so the limo dropped off Mitchum and picked up Large.\\\
Here's my question: If Hodges was trying to kill Woody, why would he make the bomb so it looks like Murderuss did it? What motive would Murderuss have for killing the guy? He worked a different label.
** Good point. Maybe he hoped it would be taken as an attack against Extra Large's label?
** Most likely he just needed a scapegoat and Murderuss was the first person he figured he could do that for. And/or he could get a little extra victory by framing Murderuss for murder, discrediting his label, and thus getting his own label better business or publicity.
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[[folder: "Phobic", not "Persnickety"]]
* Why do the writers think that characters forgoing common sense is "funny". I mean, I like the show, but sometimes I just want to scream at the stupidity of the characters. Mostly, whenever someone "hilariously" takes Monk's quirks the wrong way. For example, in "Mr. Monk and the Marathon Man," when Monk wiped his hands after shaking hands with a black man. For the love of god, just say "He's germaphobic!" Don't let people think he's a racist!
** Come to that, you'd think people would catch that he has a disorder after only a short amount of time watching him.
** Wouldn't it be great if that happened, and as soon as the guy insinuates that Monk is prejudiced, Sharona/Natalie snaps, "He has OCD and is Germaphobic, so don't make judgments about somebody based on the fact that he's different from you!"
*** A great lesson in-character, but this ''is'' a comedy.
** At least twice Natalie or Sharona got this out (once with a black guy and once with a construction worker who hadn't even washed his hands after using the restroom), and they decided that she was just covering for his racism or class-ism, respectively.
*** There's some TruthInTelevision there. I have a anxious and temperamental border collie who barks at ''everyone'' when she's on a leash, but when she barks at black guys about 50% of the time they comment on how my dog is "racist."
*** Actually this "comedic misunderstanding" of Monk's OCD does seem to be a (now) regular DeadHorseTrope for most of the series (has no one in Monkland ever heard of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder before??). But what was funny has gotten a more then a little annoying.
** If Monk is so germaphobic then why doesn't he just wear those gloves that [=CSIs=] and the like wear? Surely it would make more sense that going through packets of wipes like candy.
*** Because he's afraid of sweaty palms too, and gloves are hot.
*** It was actually suggested to him in one episode, I don't clearly remember his answer but his points against gloves were that those get dirty and that he worries that he would become dirty if he would have to touch himself.
** If she'd said Monk is germophobic, there's a chance that would have worsened the situation by being taken to imply black people are full of germs. It would be unfair, but once people get ideas in their head it's hard to dislodge them, and she was trying her best to de-escalate the situation for long enough so they could get the information they needed. One of the problems is that terms like "germophobia" and indeed "OCD" have been heavily trivialized by the public through overuse and tend to be seen as merely personal quirks (like describing oneself as a "neat freak") rather than debilitating disorders, so when people hear these terms, they often don't recognize the seriousness of the conditions. Keep in mind, also, that throughout the show Monk and his friends seem averse to mentioning Monk's disorders aloud (the amount of times the word "OCD" is mentioned on the show can be counted on one's hands).
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