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** Speaking historically, people have often be surprisingly accepting of much more costly spectacles as a part of a justice system.
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* On a related note, are we really to believe everyone was okay with using up resources on a gigantic metal wheel with big metal letters all over it, that can be spun, just so Aunty Entity can go "You suck, let me spin up a random punishment"?
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** It's at least implied that the helmet Blaster wears makes him vulnerable to the whistle's pitch, which resonates perfectly with the helmet's shape and material. So yes, it's an asspull that the whistle coincidentally has that effect, but at least it's a foreshadowed one: Max does observe Blaster's sensitivity ''before'' facing him in the ring.
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** More importantly, pigs breed ''much'' faster than other mammalian livestock. Pretty important, considering how a lot of animals may be infertile or produce non-viable offspring due to fallout exposure.


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** Or they just stick any old container on a prisoner's head, or blindfold them if they can't spare a container. The only real purpose of covering the head of the condemned would be to obscure their vision and make it harder for them to find their way back to Bartertown.
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* Max turns the course of the Thunderdome fight by blowing a whistle to gain an edge over Blaster. Can a whistle like that really affect some people like it did with Blaster or was it just a convenient WeaksauceWeakness asspulled to resolve the fight?
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** With an alternate form of fuel available for their ground vehicles and generators, the Bartertown community is bound to be one of the few places on Earth where "guzzaline" ''isn't'' exceptionally valuable. If there's another oil derrick-plus-refinery outfit cranking out their own petrol in the vicinity, they could well be trading it cheap enough for Jedediah to trade stolen camels for.
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*** That's a really tough sell. Looking purely at how much energy each fuel has (otherwise known as ''specific energy''), sure, it makes sense: the plane probably runs on gas, which has a specific energy of 46.4 MJ/kg, and is far, far outshone by methane's specific energy of 55.5 MJ/kg. But, methane has an energy density of 22.2 MJ/l. Stack that against gasoline's 34.2 MJ/l and the problem appears: methane has too much energy per unit mass and yet far too ''little'' energy per volume unit. The net result would be that unless Jed is a mechanical genius, he'd probably have the engines failing to start because of the low-energy-density fuel...then blowing the cylinders from feeding in too much. And even that would be extremely difficult because the Transavia PL-12 Airtruk he's flying runs a Continental IO-520 engine, which is fuel-injected. So unless the methane is available in liquid form - unlikely, given Bartertown's setup - it just won't work. It's much more likely that he's a good enough pirate that he can afford the fuel he needs, or he's distilling methanol and running a very rich mixture. (Which would be risky as all hell if not for the whole 'pocyclypse having happened.)

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*** That's a really tough sell. Looking purely at how much energy each fuel has (otherwise known as ''specific energy''), sure, it makes sense: the plane probably runs on gas, which has a specific energy of 46.4 MJ/kg, and is far, far outshone by methane's specific energy of 55.5 MJ/kg. But, methane has an energy density ''density'' of 22.2 MJ/l. Stack that against gasoline's 34.2 MJ/l and the problem appears: methane has too much energy per unit mass and yet far too ''little'' energy per volume unit. The net result would be that unless Jed is a mechanical genius, he'd probably have the engines failing to start because of the low-energy-density fuel...then blowing the cylinders from feeding in too much. And even that would be extremely difficult because the Transavia PL-12 Airtruk he's flying runs a Continental IO-520 engine, which is fuel-injected. So unless the methane is available in liquid form - unlikely, given Bartertown's setup and the fact that liquid methane is ''rocket fuel'' - it just won't work. It's much more likely that he's a good enough pirate that he can afford the fuel he needs, or he's distilling methanol and running a very rich mixture. (Which would be risky as all hell if not for the whole 'pocyclypse having happened.)
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*** That's a really tough sell. Looking purely at how much energy each fuel has (otherwise known as ''specific energy''), sure, it makes sense: the plane probably runs on gas, which has a specific energy of 46.4 MJ/kg, and is far, far outshone by methane's specific energy of 55.5 MJ/kg. But, methane has an energy density of 22.2 MJ/l. Stack that against gasoline's 34.2 MJ/l and the problem appears: methane has too much energy per unit mass and yet far too ''little'' energy per volume unit. The net result would be that unless Jed is a mechanical genius, he'd probably have the engines failing to start because of the low-energy-density fuel...then blowing the cylinders from feeding in too much. And even that would be extremely difficult because the Transavia PL-12 Airtruk he's flying runs a Continental IO-520 engine, which is fuel-injected. So unless the methane is available in liquid form - unlikely, given Bartertown's setup - it just won't work. It's much more likely that he's a good enough pirate that he can afford the fuel he needs, or he's distilling methanol and running a very rich mixture. (Which would be risky as all hell if not for the whole 'pocyclypse having happened.)
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** It's possible that they don't use a fiberglass head for ''each'' Gulag, or they can make / purchase more heads as needed.

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** It's possible that they don't use a fiberglass head for ''each'' Gulag, or they can make / or purchase more heads as needed.

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** And indeed, how many fiberglass heads do they have for that?



*** Methane's still going to be a finite resource, as there are only so many pigs. Why not use a bit of horsepower as a supplement?
*** Pigs are omnivores, and can eat quite a variety of things. Including, for example, dead prisoners. Horses and donkeys are a bit more picky, diet-wise.

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*** * Methane's still going to be a finite resource, as there are only so many pigs. Why not use a bit of horsepower as a supplement?
*** ** Pigs are omnivores, and can eat quite a variety of things. Including, for example, dead prisoners. Horses and donkeys are a bit more picky, diet-wise.
* And indeed, how many fiberglass heads do they have for that?
** It's possible that they don't use a fiberglass head for ''each'' Gulag, or they can make / purchase more heads as needed.
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** He's shown in Bartertown, perhaps he had it converted to methane as well.

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** He's shown in Bartertown, perhaps he had it converted to methane as well.well.
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* Max uses a camel-drawn cart, Auntie needs methane to make Bartertown run. At the time MM:BT is set upon it's obvious oil has disappeared... so where does Jedediah get fuel for his plane?

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* Max uses a camel-drawn cart, Auntie needs methane to make Bartertown run. At the time MM:BT is set upon it's obvious oil has disappeared... so where does Jedediah get fuel for his plane?plane?
** He's shown in Bartertown, perhaps he had it converted to methane as well.
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** Auntie wanted to have a more complying Master once Blaster died. [[BatmanGambit The plan was for]] Master to think that Blaster got legally killed in a "fair" fight with Max. This way Master couldn't blame Auntie Entity and would collaborate more willingly to produce fuel for Bartertown afterwards without having to put up with Master's [[ThePrimaDonna arrogance]]. As it turned out, since Max spilled the beans, Auntie had to coerce Master by force, which was what [[AffablyEvil she wanted to avoid]].

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** Auntie wanted to have a more complying Master once Blaster died. [[BatmanGambit The plan was for]] Master to think that Blaster got legally killed in a "fair" fight with Max. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen This way way]] Master couldn't wouldn't blame Auntie Entity and would collaborate more willingly to produce fuel for Bartertown afterwards without everyone having to put up with Master's [[ThePrimaDonna arrogance]].jagoff attitude]]. As it turned out, since Max spilled the beans, Auntie had to coerce Master by force, which was what [[AffablyEvil she wanted to avoid]].
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** Auntie wanted to have a more complying Master once Blaster died. The plan was for Master to think that Blaster got legally killed in a "fair" fight with Max. This way Master couldn't blame Auntie Entity and would collaborate more willingly to produce fuel for Bartertown afterwards. As it turned out, since Max spilled the beans, Auntie had to coerce Master by force, which was what she wanted to avoid.
Auntie also took a big gamble when she jumped inside the Thunderdome to do some damage control and turn the crowd against Max. Her face looks definitely relieved after the crowd swallows her crap. She was obviously not so sure that the speech would work. So as we can see, even though it all worked out for her, it would still have been a lot easier if Max had stuck to his end of the deal.

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** Auntie wanted to have a more complying Master once Blaster died. [[BatmanGambit The plan was for for]] Master to think that Blaster got legally killed in a "fair" fight with Max. This way Master couldn't blame Auntie Entity and would collaborate more willingly to produce fuel for Bartertown afterwards. afterwards without having to put up with Master's [[ThePrimaDonna arrogance]]. As it turned out, since Max spilled the beans, Auntie had to coerce Master by force, which was what [[AffablyEvil she wanted to avoid.
Auntie also took a big gamble when she jumped inside the Thunderdome to do some damage control and turn the crowd against Max. Her face looks definitely relieved after the crowd swallows her crap. She was obviously not so sure that the speech would work. So as we can see, even though it all worked out for her, it would still have been a lot easier if Max had stuck to his end of the deal.
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** Auntie wanted to have a more complying Master once Blaster died. The plan was for Master to think that Blaster got legally killed in a "fair" fight with Max. This way Master couldn't blame Auntie Entity and would collaborate more willingly to produce fuel for Bartertown afterwards. As it turned out, since Max spilled the beans, Auntie had to coerce Master by force, which was what she wanted to avoid.
Auntie also took a big gamble when she jumped inside the Thunderdome to do some damage control and turn the crowd against Max. Her face looks definitely relieved after the crowd swallows her crap. She was obviously not so sure that the speech would work. So as we can see, even though it all worked out for her, it would still have been a lot easier if Max had stuck to his end of the deal.

* Max uses a camel-drawn cart, Auntie needs methane to make Bartertown run. At the time MM:BT is set upon it's obvious oil has disappeared... so where does Jedediah get fuel for his plane?
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**** Pigs are omnivores, and can eat quite a variety of things. Including, for example, dead prisoners. Horses and donkeys are a bit more picky, diet-wise.
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*** Methane's still going to be a finite resource, as there are only so many pigs. Why not use a bit of horsepower as a supplement?

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** The horse was probably sick with radiation anyway, so it couldn't provide meat (they had no use for horses to begin with, since they had methane-fueled cars.)


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** She ''said'' that Master Blaster were "practically family". They couldn't be involved or the town would revolt. It was ''Max'' who revealed there was a deal, and Pig Killer damn ''does'' nearly start a riot. Auntie cleverly points out that right or wrong, she and Max ''did'' have a contract, and he violated it.
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* "Gulag" is one very expensive way of executing somebody. That horse could've been doing something more useful than dying out in the desert.
** And indeed, how many fiberglass heads do they have for that?

* Aunty Entity hired Max to kill Blaster in the Thunderdome so that she could get rid of him without publicly executing him and undermining her own laws. Of course, she ends up doing exactly that anyways, ''without'' undermining any of her authority. Did she not realize that she could [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem screw the rules, because she made them]]? Besides, she easily had enough men to take out Blaster (Max himself says so), and with the embargos that Master keeps on pulling, she easily had the justification to do so.

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