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**** Does this mean that there was a demon in Hell who was forcing Lucifer, their own boss, to relive him stabbing his brother over and over?

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* ...Cain, (meaning people like Cain, Abel, Adam and Eve existed) does that mean evolution isn't real in the series's universe? Because I can easily see people conciliating belief in God/angels/demons with evolution, but characters from the Genesis existing literally?

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* In season 4 episode 6 Lucifer gets trapped by falling barrels as the bad guy runs away and guns down a police officer. Dan gets mad and blames Lucifer. Am I missing something? Lucifer is an unarmed civilian consultant. It's absurd to send him after a fleeing suspect in the first place let alone blame him when an armed police officer just stands around letting a gunman raise his gun and shoot her. I get Dan being mad at him for the Sinnerman thing but he's just absurdly stupid at this point.


*** Moreso than that, the "people" seen in the guilty soul's Hell loop are the demons themselves, re-enacting the scene that soul feels most guilty about. Without them, most of the loops wouldn't function at all.

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*** Moreso than that, in the episode Real Sad Devil Guy it's shown that the "people" seen in the guilty soul's Hell loop are the demons themselves, re-enacting the scene that soul feels most guilty about. Without them, most of the loops wouldn't function at all.


* In hell, punishment is dealt out because the soul feel guilt over actions committed. So it makes sense when people go to hell for murder, or just for being awful. But as revealed in the episode Real Sad Devil Guy, Mr. Said Out Bitch (Lee Garner) [[spoiler: was sent to hell because he felt guilty about not going to his niece's baby shower. It was his last chance to reconnect with his family, and as a result the family broke apart.]] so basically, any guilt in your heart will send you to hell, no matter what you did or didn't do.

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*** Moreso than that, the "people" seen in the guilty soul's Hell loop are the demons themselves, re-enacting the scene that soul feels most guilty about. Without them, most of the loops wouldn't function at all.
* In hell, punishment is dealt out because the soul feel feels guilt over actions committed.committed in life. So it makes sense when people go to hell for murder, or just for being awful. But as revealed in the episode Real Sad Devil Guy, Mr. Said Out Bitch (Lee Garner) [[spoiler: was sent to hell because he felt guilty about not going to his niece's baby shower. It was his last chance to reconnect with his family, and as a result the family broke apart.]] so So basically, any guilt in your heart will send you to hell, no matter what you did or didn't do.

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* In hell, punishment is dealt out because the soul feel guilt over actions committed. So it makes sense when people go to hell for murder, or just for being awful. But as revealed in the episode Real Sad Devil Guy, Mr. Said Out Bitch (Lee Garner) [[spoiler: was sent to hell because he felt guilty about not going to his niece's baby shower. It was his last chance to reconnect with his family, and as a result the family broke apart.]] so basically, any guilt in your heart will send you to hell, no matter what you did or didn't do.


*** We know that demons have some control over the torture environment with Abel, whose hell loop involves being murdered by Cain, suggesting it's not quite fully automatic and the demons determine the precise details of all the punishments and/or demonic torture is reserved for really really bad dudes, although Abel doesn't really seem all that bad; he's a selfish hedonist douchebag but not a CompleteMonster.

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*** We know that demons have some control over the torture environment with Abel, whose hell loop involves being murdered by Cain, Cain in multiple different settings, accounting for his grasp of modern languages, suggesting it's not quite fully automatic and the demons determine the precise details of all the punishments and/or demonic torture is reserved for really really bad dudes, although Abel doesn't really seem all that bad; he's a selfish hedonist douchebag but not a CompleteMonster.

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*** We know that demons have some control over the torture environment with Abel, whose hell loop involves being murdered by Cain, suggesting it's not quite fully automatic and the demons determine the precise details of all the punishments and/or demonic torture is reserved for really really bad dudes, although Abel doesn't really seem all that bad; he's a selfish hedonist douchebag but not a CompleteMonster.

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*** While that explains Lucifer's concerns in Season 1 (at least from a Doylist perspective,) it doesn't explain Maze's purpose in Hell (or indeed the purposes of demons in general.) Even later seasons acknowledge her as personally torturing humans, Abel being one of them, and her being a master of causing people pain is a consistent part of her character. And yet, Hell's punishments are repeatedly stated to be self-inflicted as a result of human guilt, and it's repeatedly implied/stated that nothing will trap you in Hell if you can just let go of your failures/not feel any guilt for your actions. So why continue to claim that the demons like Maze do any torturing at all? What is their actual purpose in Hell if it's not punishing people or keeping them imprisoned?

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** Probably more EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. They clearly hadn't quite figured out how Hell works for the purposes of the show yet, so some of the earliest mentions conflict with the later.


* Is this a Plot Marches On thing, or something else? In Season 1 Lucifer makes a couple mentions of how, because he's not in Hell, sinners aren't being punished, most dramatically at the climax of the first episode where he stresses that he needs to torture the suspect ''now'' or he won't suffer at all. Maze is also specifically noted as being a torturer in Hell. But when Hell finally shows up in the series proper, it's portrayed as an IronicHell that functions entirely autonomously, to the point where Lucifer himself gets caught in a cell and forced to relive his deepest regret. If that's the case, why was Lucifer so sure that people weren't going to be punished when they died?

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* Is this a Plot Marches On thing, or something else? In Season 1 Lucifer makes a couple mentions of how, because he's not in Hell, sinners aren't being punished, most dramatically at the climax of the first episode where he stresses that he needs to torture the suspect ''now'' or he won't suffer at all. Maze is also specifically noted as being a torturer in Hell. But when Hell finally shows up in the series proper, it's portrayed as an IronicHell that functions entirely autonomously, to the point where Lucifer himself gets caught in a cell and forced to relive his deepest regret. If that's the case, why was Lucifer so sure that people weren't going to be punished when they died?died? And why was Maze's job actually necessary?


* Is this a Plot Marches On thing, or something else? In Season 1 Lucifer makes a couple mentions of how, because he's not in Hell, sinners aren't being punished, most dramatically at the climax of the first episode where he stresses that he needs to torture the suspect ''now'' or he won't suffer at all. Maze is also specifically noted as being a torturer in Hell. But when Hell finally shows up in the series proper, it's portrayed as an IronicHell that functions entirely autonomously, to the point where Lucifer himself gets caught in a cell and forced to relive his deepest regret. If that's the case, why was Lucifer so sure that people weren't going to be punished when they died?

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* Is this a Plot Marches On thing, or something else? In Season 1 Lucifer makes a couple mentions of how, because he's not in Hell, sinners aren't being punished, most dramatically at the climax of the first episode where he stresses that he needs to torture the suspect ''now'' or he won't suffer at all. Maze is also specifically noted as being a torturer in Hell. But when Hell finally shows up in the series proper, it's portrayed as an IronicHell that functions entirely autonomously, to the point where Lucifer himself gets caught in a cell and forced to relive his deepest regret. If that's the case, why was Lucifer so sure that people weren't going to be punished when they died?died?
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* Is this a Plot Marches On thing, or something else? In Season 1 Lucifer makes a couple mentions of how, because he's not in Hell, sinners aren't being punished, most dramatically at the climax of the first episode where he stresses that he needs to torture the suspect ''now'' or he won't suffer at all. Maze is also specifically noted as being a torturer in Hell. But when Hell finally shows up in the series proper, it's portrayed as an IronicHell that functions entirely autonomously, to the point where Lucifer himself gets caught in a cell and forced to relive his deepest regret. If that's the case, why was Lucifer so sure that people weren't going to be punished when they died?



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** On a rewatch, her mother (basically the exact same character the actress played in Jessica Jones) was making a lot of serious oversteps with Trixie, and tended to throw that she was letting Chloe live in her house in Chloe's face every time they had an argument. Any arguments about being homeless can probably be read as "I'd rather be homeless than put up with this."


** Amenadiel already finds this out when Lucifer tells him after almost getting pumped full of lead in the auction backroom. While that is simply a claim with no proof, Amenadiel knows Lucy isn't one to lie. I think Amenadiel was just shocked by Lucifer's words while he was beating into him: "Become like me, become wrath! Fall as I did!" Giving it some thought, he was being no better than Lucifer was, then backed off.

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** Amenadiel already finds this out when Lucifer tells him after almost getting pumped full of lead in the auction backroom. While that is simply a claim with no proof, Amenadiel knows Lucy isn't one to lie. I think Amenadiel was just shocked by Lucifer's words while he was beating into him: "Become like me, become wrath! Fall as I did!" Giving it some thought, he was being no better than Lucifer was, Lucifer, then backed off.

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