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* This is addressed in KnightFever but to put it succinctly: "Lady Firstname" is the daughter of a duke, marquis, or earl. ("Lord Firstname" is the younger son of a duke or marquis.) "Lady Surname" *or* "Lady Titlename" is either a peeress in her own right, a judge (in some circumstances), or the wife of a marquis, earl, viscount, baron, knight, or baronet. The daughter of a viscount or baron (or the younger son of an earl, viscount, or baron) may be known as The Hon. Firstname Lastname. Children of knights and baronets don't get a special style. Wives of dukes are referred to as "the Duchess of Titlename". Keep in mind that a title doesn't always match the titleholder's surname. Lord Brabourne's last name is Knatchbull, for instance.
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* This is addressed in KnightFever UsefulNotes/KnightFever but to put it succinctly: "Lady Firstname" is the daughter of a duke, marquis, or earl. ("Lord Firstname" is the younger son of a duke or marquis.) "Lady Surname" *or* "Lady Titlename" is either a peeress in her own right, a judge (in some circumstances), or the wife of a marquis, earl, viscount, baron, knight, or baronet. The daughter of a viscount or baron (or the younger son of an earl, viscount, or baron) may be known as The Hon. Firstname Lastname. Children of knights and baronets don't get a special style. Wives of dukes are referred to as "the Duchess of Titlename". Keep in mind that a title doesn't always match the titleholder's surname. Lord Brabourne's last name is Knatchbull, for instance.
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** Lady Catherine was called such because she was born the daughter of an earl (her brother is Colonel Fitzwilliam's father; ''his'' eldest son is the heir to the earldom). Because her courtesy title outranked her husband's, she kept it even after her marriage. See below for more information.
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* I believe Lady Catherine might have been a widow? And I'm pretty sure Lady Susan was too. I've only read P/P and Emma, so I think it has to do with the fact that their husbands died.
* This Troper is currently taking a class on Jane Austen. The professor actually addressed this in the second class. You see, if an aristocrat is "Lady ''first name''," it means she inherited her title by birth. If addressed as "Lady ''last name''," she married into the aristocracy.
* Thank you ;)
* But I'm pretty sure Lady Susan did not inherit her title, she got it through marriage. She was indeed a widow as described above, so maybe that has something to do with it?
* This Troper is currently taking a class on Jane Austen. The professor actually addressed this in the second class. You see, if an aristocrat is "Lady ''first name''," it means she inherited her title by birth. If addressed as "Lady ''last name''," she married into the aristocracy.
* Thank you ;)
* But I'm pretty sure Lady Susan did not inherit her title, she got it through marriage. She was indeed a widow as described above, so maybe that has something to do with it?
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* I believe Lady Catherine might have been a widow? And I'm pretty sure Lady Susan was too. I've only read P/P and Emma, so I think it has to do with the fact that their husbands died.
*This Troper is currently taking a class on Jane Austen. The professor actually addressed this in the second class. You see, if If an aristocrat is "Lady ''first name''," it means she inherited her title by birth. If addressed as "Lady ''last name''," name''", she married into the aristocracy.
* Thank you ;)
* But I'm pretty sure Lady Susan did not inherit her title, she got it through marriage. She was indeed a widow as described above, so maybe that has something to do with it?aristocracy.
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* Thank you ;)
* But I'm pretty sure Lady Susan did not inherit her title, she got it through marriage. She was indeed a widow as described above, so maybe that has something to do with it?
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* This is addressed in KnightFever but to put it succinctly: "Lady Firstname" is the daughter of a duke, marquis, or earl. ("Lord Firstname" is the younger son of a duke or marquis.) "Lady Surname" *or* "Lady Titlename" is either a peeress in her own right, a judge (in some circumstances), or the wife of a marquis, earl, viscount, baron, knight, or baronet. The daughter of a viscount or baron (or the younger son of an earl, viscount, or baron) may be known as The Hon. Firstname Lastname. Children of knights and baronets don't get a special style. Wives of dukes are referred to as "the Duchess of Titlename".
: Keep in mind that a title doesn't always match the titleholder's surname. Lord Brabourne's last name is Knatchbull, for instance.
: Keep in mind that a title doesn't always match the titleholder's surname. Lord Brabourne's last name is Knatchbull, for instance.
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* This is addressed in KnightFever but to put it succinctly: "Lady Firstname" is the daughter of a duke, marquis, or earl. ("Lord Firstname" is the younger son of a duke or marquis.) "Lady Surname" *or* "Lady Titlename" is either a peeress in her own right, a judge (in some circumstances), or the wife of a marquis, earl, viscount, baron, knight, or baronet. The daughter of a viscount or baron (or the younger son of an earl, viscount, or baron) may be known as The Hon. Firstname Lastname. Children of knights and baronets don't get a special style. Wives of dukes are referred to as "the Duchess of Titlename".
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* This is addressed in [[KnightFever]] but to put it succinctly: "Lady Firstname" is the daughter of a duke, marquis, or earl. ("Lord Firstname" is the younger son of a duke or marquis.) "Lady Surname" *or* "Lady Titlename" is either a peeress in her own right, a judge (in some circumstances), or the wife of a marquis, earl, viscount, baron, knight, or baronet. The daughter of a viscount or baron (or the younger son of an earl, viscount, or baron) may be known as The Hon. Firstname Lastname. Children of knights and baronets don't get a special style. Wives of dukes are referred to as "the Duchess of Titlename".
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* This is addressed in [[KnightFever]] KnightFever but to put it succinctly: "Lady Firstname" is the daughter of a duke, marquis, or earl. ("Lord Firstname" is the younger son of a duke or marquis.) "Lady Surname" *or* "Lady Titlename" is either a peeress in her own right, a judge (in some circumstances), or the wife of a marquis, earl, viscount, baron, knight, or baronet. The daughter of a viscount or baron (or the younger son of an earl, viscount, or baron) may be known as The Hon. Firstname Lastname. Children of knights and baronets don't get a special style. Wives of dukes are referred to as "the Duchess of Titlename".
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* This is addressed in [[KnightFever]] but to put it succinctly: "Lady Firstname" is the daughter of a duke, marquis, or earl. ("Lord Firstname" is the younger son of a duke or marquis.) "Lady Surname" *or* "Lady Titlename" is either a peeress in her own right, a judge (in some circumstances), or the wife of a marquis, earl, viscount, baron, knight, or baronet. The daughter of a viscount or baron (or the younger son of an earl, viscount, or baron) may be known as The Hon. Firstname Lastname. Children of knights and baronets don't get a special style. Wives of dukes are referred to as "the Duchess of Titlename".
: Keep in mind that a title doesn't always match the titleholder's surname. Lord Brabourne's last name is Knatchbull, for instance.
: Keep in mind that a title doesn't always match the titleholder's surname. Lord Brabourne's last name is Knatchbull, for instance.
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How is it that we have a LadySusan and a [[PrideAndPrejudice Lady Catherine]], but also a [[Literature/SenseAndSensibility Lady Middleton]], [[MansfieldPark Lady Bertram]], and [[{{Persuasion}} Lady Russell]]? Men of rank are always Sir First Name, but what's the rule for women?
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How is it that we have a LadySusan Literature/LadySusan and a [[PrideAndPrejudice [[Literature/PrideAndPrejudice Lady Catherine]], but also a [[Literature/SenseAndSensibility Lady Middleton]], [[MansfieldPark [[Literature/MansfieldPark Lady Bertram]], and [[{{Persuasion}} [[Literature/{{Persuasion}} Lady Russell]]? Men of rank are always Sir First Name, but what's the rule for women?
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* But I'm pretty sure LadySusan did not inherit her title, she got it through marriage. She was indeed a widow as described above, so maybe that has something to do with it?
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* But I'm pretty sure LadySusan Lady Susan did not inherit her title, she got it through marriage. She was indeed a widow as described above, so maybe that has something to do with it?
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How is it that we have a LadySusan and a [[PrideAndPrejudice Lady Catherine]], but also a [[SenseAndSensibility Lady Middleton]], [[MansfieldPark Lady Bertram]], and [[{{Persuasion}} Lady Russell]]? Men of rank are always Sir First Name, but what's the rule for women?
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How is it that we have a LadySusan and a [[PrideAndPrejudice Lady Catherine]], but also a [[SenseAndSensibility [[Literature/SenseAndSensibility Lady Middleton]], [[MansfieldPark Lady Bertram]], and [[{{Persuasion}} Lady Russell]]? Men of rank are always Sir First Name, but what's the rule for women?
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*How the wives and daughters of nobility were addressed in Austen's time has to do with how high up the nobility ladder their relative was. Lady Catherine is the daughter of an Earl (one of the highest titles) Lady Middleton and Bertram are the wives of baronets and Lady Russell is the wife of a knight (much lower on the scale). Lady Catherine is actually the wife of a knight, but her father's status trumps her husband's and she is still addressed by her first name.
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* But I'm pretty LadySusan did not inherit her title, she got it through marriage. She was indeed a widow as described above, so maybe that has something to do with it?
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* But I'm pretty sure LadySusan did not inherit her title, she got it through marriage. She was indeed a widow as described above, so maybe that has something to do with it?
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* But I'm pretty LadySusan did not inherit her title, she got it through marriage. She was indeed a widow as described above, so maybe that has something to do with it?
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* This Troper is currently taking a class on Jane Austen. The professor actually addressed this in the second class. You see, if a aristocrat is "Lady Firstname," it means she inherited her title by birth. If addressed as "Lady Lastname," she married into the aristocracy.
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* This Troper is currently taking a class on Jane Austen. The professor actually addressed this in the second class. You see, if a an aristocrat is "Lady Firstname," ''first name''," it means she inherited her title by birth. If addressed as "Lady Lastname," ''last name''," she married into the aristocracy.
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* This Troper is currently taking a class on Jane Austen. The professor actually addressed this in the second class. You see, if a aristocrat is "Lady Firstname," it means she inherited her title by birth. If addressed as "Lady Lastname," she married into the aristocracy.
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* This Troper is currently taking a class on Jane Austen. The professor actually addressed this in the second class. You see, if a aristocrat is "Lady Firstname," it means she inherited her title by birth. If addressed as "Lady Lastname," she married into the aristocracy.aristocracy.
* Thank you ;)
* Thank you ;)
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* This Troper is currently taking a class on Jane Austen. The professor actually addressed this in the second class. You see, if a aristocrat is "Lady FirstName," it means she inherited her title by birth. If addressed as "Lady LastName," she married into the aristocracy.
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* This Troper is currently taking a class on Jane Austen. The professor actually addressed this in the second class. You see, if a aristocrat is "Lady FirstName," Firstname," it means she inherited her title by birth. If addressed as "Lady LastName," Lastname," she married into the aristocracy.
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* This Troper is currently taking a class on Jane Austen. The professor actually addressed this in the second class. You see, if a aristocrat is "Lady Firstname," it means she inherited her title by birth. If addressed as "Lady Lastname," she married into the aristocracy.
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* This Troper is currently taking a class on Jane Austen. The professor actually addressed this in the second class. You see, if a aristocrat is "Lady Firstname," FirstName," it means she inherited her title by birth. If addressed as "Lady Lastname," LastName," she married into the aristocracy.
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* I believe Lady Catherine might have been a widow? And I'm pretty sure Lady Susan was too. I've only read P/P and Emma, so I think it has to do with the fact that their husbands died.
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* I believe Lady Catherine might have been a widow? And I'm pretty sure Lady Susan was too. I've only read P/P and Emma, so I think it has to do with the fact that their husbands died.died.
* This Troper is currently taking a class on Jane Austen. The professor actually addressed this in the second class. You see, if a aristocrat is "Lady Firstname," it means she inherited her title by birth. If addressed as "Lady Lastname," she married into the aristocracy.
* This Troper is currently taking a class on Jane Austen. The professor actually addressed this in the second class. You see, if a aristocrat is "Lady Firstname," it means she inherited her title by birth. If addressed as "Lady Lastname," she married into the aristocracy.
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How is it that we have a LadySusan and a [[PrideAndPrejudice Lady Catherine]], but also a [[SenseAndSensibility Lady Middleton]], [[MansfieldPark Lady Bertram]], and [[{{Persuasion}} Lady Russell]]? Men of rank are always Sir First Name, but what's the rule for women?
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How is it that we have a LadySusan and a [[PrideAndPrejudice Lady Catherine]], but also a [[SenseAndSensibility Lady Middleton]], [[MansfieldPark Lady Bertram]], and [[{{Persuasion}} Lady Russell]]? Men of rank are always Sir First Name, but what's the rule for women?women?
*I believe Lady Catherine might have been a widow? And I'm pretty sure Lady Susan was too. I've only read P/P and Emma, so I think it has to do with the fact that their husbands died.
*I believe Lady Catherine might have been a widow? And I'm pretty sure Lady Susan was too. I've only read P/P and Emma, so I think it has to do with the fact that their husbands died.
