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*** [[http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101003131448/jakanddaxter/images/0/05/Baron_praxis_statue.jpg Concept art]] shows the Baron, not [[http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130616225004/thefreedomleague/images/c/c1/Mar%27s_Statue.png Mar]]. I checked in the game and the statue is definitely the Baron.
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** Probably not. They didn't know that eco contains the Precursors genetic code. They probably just thought that Daxter was cursed by dark eco and that light eco would, being its opposite, naturally change him back.
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** The Baron had probably been a part of Damos' court or military beforehand so him and Ashelin lived in the palace. The Baron probably sprung the coup on him in the few years between Damas' exile and Jak's arrival. It's possible that Haven City was in a severe state of disrepair due to the metal head wars and the Baron used this as an excuse to depose him.
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**I think that the statue was of Mar, not of the Baron, and it had probably been there for as long as the tomb had been.
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*Could Daxter have turned back into a human if he had touched the light eco at the end of the first game or not? He seemed to think it would, and Samos and the other sages, who knew a lot more about eco than Daxter, didn't deny it. But then when light eco appears in the third game, nobody brings up the possibility of using it on Daxter, and he can sit on Jak's shoulder while Jak uses his light eco powers and walks through light eco vents without it having any effect on him.
*How long had Baron Praxis been the ruler of Haven City before Jak and the others arrived? In Jak II, it's implied that he'd been the leader for a long time (Ashelin mentions in one cutscene that she lived in the palace when she was a kid, and if she's supposed to be in her early twenties, then it would mean that her father had been in power for at least a decade, probably more), but the introduction of Damas in the third game makes things a lot more confusing. He was the leader of Haven City before Praxis, but was banished to the Wasteland when Praxis took over and was presumed dead because most people in Haven City didn't know about Spargus. However, since his son was still in Haven City in the second game, and it's seems to be common knowledge that he is the true heir to the city (or at least that there is a young heir somewhere in the city), he was probably born when Damas was the ruler of Haven City, and since the kid can't be any older than about two or three, which would mean that Baron Praxis came to power not long before Jak & Co came through the rift gate.
*In Haven City, there are three basic models of citizen NPCs: thin young men, fat old men, and women. The only ones that are ever seen driving are the thin young men. What's the deal with that? When I first noticed it, I thought that perhaps it had something to do with the Krimzon Guard, as with the exception of Ashelin, all of the Krimzon Guards in the game are male, and it makes sense that the Guard would only recruit those who are young and able-bodied, so perhaps one had to join the Guard to be eligible for a driver's licence. However, the Krimzon Guard all of facial tattoos that the regular citizens don't, so that can't be the answer.
*How long had Baron Praxis been the ruler of Haven City before Jak and the others arrived? In Jak II, it's implied that he'd been the leader for a long time (Ashelin mentions in one cutscene that she lived in the palace when she was a kid, and if she's supposed to be in her early twenties, then it would mean that her father had been in power for at least a decade, probably more), but the introduction of Damas in the third game makes things a lot more confusing. He was the leader of Haven City before Praxis, but was banished to the Wasteland when Praxis took over and was presumed dead because most people in Haven City didn't know about Spargus. However, since his son was still in Haven City in the second game, and it's seems to be common knowledge that he is the true heir to the city (or at least that there is a young heir somewhere in the city), he was probably born when Damas was the ruler of Haven City, and since the kid can't be any older than about two or three, which would mean that Baron Praxis came to power not long before Jak & Co came through the rift gate.
*In Haven City, there are three basic models of citizen NPCs: thin young men, fat old men, and women. The only ones that are ever seen driving are the thin young men. What's the deal with that? When I first noticed it, I thought that perhaps it had something to do with the Krimzon Guard, as with the exception of Ashelin, all of the Krimzon Guards in the game are male, and it makes sense that the Guard would only recruit those who are young and able-bodied, so perhaps one had to join the Guard to be eligible for a driver's licence. However, the Krimzon Guard all of facial tattoos that the regular citizens don't, so that can't be the answer.
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***** The metal heads don't seem to have nukes or any tech for that matter. How do we know that the warheads are nukes and not just large bombs? The computer said warhead detonation imminent and besides the forgivable fact that nukes don't in fact go off just by shooting at them, the city was still there after it exploded so it was probably just a large bomb. Plus the Piercer Bomb looks more like something that's designed to break the Precursor Stone. You know, the whole purpose of the device. I can't find any pictures of nuclear weaponry that looks like the piercer bomb. More likely they were both eco devices of some sort.
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***** The metal heads don't seem to have nukes or any tech for that matter. How do we know that the warheads are nukes and not just large bombs? The computer said warhead detonation imminent and besides the forgivable fact that nukes don't in fact go off just by shooting at them, the city was still there after it exploded so it was probably just a large bomb. Plus the Piercer Bomb looks more like something that's designed to break the Precursor Stone. You know, the whole purpose of the device. I can't find any pictures of nuclear weaponry that looks like the piercer bomb. More likely they were both eco devices of some sort.
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**** What about Nuclear Weapons?There are Warheads in the Ammo Dump Jak Blew Up in the Beginning of the Game. And the Piercer Bomb does looks like a Nuclear Weapon (It looks like a nuke).
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** Answer to both: it was probably hidden by Mar, along with the Precursor Stone, so that the metal heads wouldn't find it.
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* And for that matter, how did the Light Tower destroy the statue but not anything else like the much taller buildings around it?
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*** But how? I'm pretty sure the Baron has more Krimzon Guards than the resistance has agents. Shit, he probably has more vehicles than they have agents. He has jet bikes, hellcats, tanks and who knows what else. Also I don't see how other settlements are relevant, I was talking about closing off the plaza around the Tomb.
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**Well, the point of Headscratchers is to question things and try to justify the unexplained. You're not helping much.
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* As soon as the tomb was revealed, which it was with a giant beam of light shooting over the city from a precursor ruin that also happened to destroy a statue of the Baron within spitting distance of the palace itself, why wasn't the entire area closed off and fortified by the Krimzon Guard until the Baron got there?
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* As soon as the tomb was revealed, which it was with a giant beam of light shooting over the city from a precursor ruin that also happened to destroy a statue of the Baron within spitting distance of the palace itself, why wasn't the entire area closed off and fortified by the Krimzon Guard until the Baron got there? there?
** Underground agents could have secured the place, and the Baron's power is limited to a city. He doesn't have a huge Military empire where he could nuke a town if he wanted to.
** Underground agents could have secured the place, and the Baron's power is limited to a city. He doesn't have a huge Military empire where he could nuke a town if he wanted to.
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*** Remember though that the Shadow singlehandedly stopped the Metal Head assault on the old city section, something the ENTIRE KG couldn't do. Wouldn't it be dangerous to keep someone so powerful alive and in captivity? [[EpilepticTrees Maybe the Shadow allowed himself to get captured so that he'd have a chance to strike at the Baron during the execution]] or something.
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*** Remember though that the Shadow singlehandedly stopped the Metal Head assault on the old city section, something the ENTIRE KG couldn't do. Wouldn't it be dangerous to keep someone so powerful alive and in captivity? [[EpilepticTrees Maybe the Shadow allowed himself to get captured so that he'd have a chance to strike at the Baron during the execution]] or something.something.
*** For all we know, the shadow could have Beams of death or tazers under that vest of his.
*** For all we know, the shadow could have Beams of death or tazers under that vest of his.
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*** Considering Ashelin thought Jak was a traitor just before he went to the Weapons Factory, the Baron probably wanted to keep her on his side and was lying to her. His earlier threat to kill her might've been an empty threat.
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** Just another example of how all the time travel craziness was nowhere near planned out by that point.
** Still part of the Underground. I guess it was a fullscale crackdown.
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*** Answer for both of you: There's so much going on in the plot at that point, that the designers either thought no one would care enough to analyze or that they didn't want to over complicate things by giving them a new hideout out of nowhere.
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*** Remember though that the Shadow singlehandedly stopped the Metal Head assault on the old city section, something the ENTIRE KG couldn't do. Wouldn't it be dangerous to keep someone so powerful alive and in captivity? [[EpilepticTrees Maybe the Shadow allowed himself to get captured so that he'd have a chance to strike at the Baron during the execution]] or something.
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* How did Errol get to the Dark Makers? It was implied in Jak 2 that he was blown to bits. Kindasorta confirmed when we see in Jak 3 he's got just a small sliver of flesh on his face and the rest of him is, in his own words, pure metal. How did he survived getting blown up in Jak 2? Did the Baron take him back and put him in a hospital? And if that's the case, how did the Dark Makers take him, when and why?
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** Public Execution most likely. He wanted to have him be killed in front of everyone to send a message.
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**It's possible the egg wasn't actually an egg itself, just some sort of precursor incubator or something.
*** He and Samos were floating right over the ruins. They probably got a good look, then got shot at and had to escape.
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*Why doesn't Samos ever fly again? In TPL he was always floating, even in Gol and Maia's citadel. Then he's just walking again. And he stays that way, even in the intro to Jak 3 when the palace is collapsing.
The whole sequence from the beginning of Jak activating the Light Tower to when he breaks his friends out of prison in Jak 2 has too many problems:
* As soon as the tomb was revealed, which it was with a giant beam of light shooting over the city from a precursor ruin that also happened to destroy a statue of the Baron within spitting distance of the palace itself, why wasn't the entire area closed off and fortified by the Krimzon Guard until the Baron got there?
* And for that matter, how did the Light Tower destroy the statue but not anything else like the much taller buildings around it?
* When they were building that statue of the Baron how did nobody realize that the tomb was right there? Was the base already there and hidden and they just decided to stick a statue on top?
* In fact why was the tomb hidden in the first place?
* How did the Shadow, the man at the top of the KG's most wanted list for probably years, just walk into the tomb? The same tomb that was, again, right in front of the Baron's palace?
* When Kor was arrested with the others how did he make it away? We see later in the prison that he wasn't there so what happened?
* For that matter, why didn't anyone notice that Kor wasn't there? Why didn't this bother anyone? Later on Kor shows up and nobody seems to even care that he vanished from the KGs clutches when even the Shadow couldn't escape.
* Why was Tess arrested? She wasn't even there when the KG arrested the Shadow, Kor and the kid. What did she do?
* Did Krew notice that Tess was away/arrested by KG? Tess was working for the underground spying on Krew but he didn't notice that she disappeared after the tomb was opened?
* How did the Baron get word to Torn that he was going to kill Ashelin if he didn't tell the Baron...something? We are never told exactly what the Baron wanted from Torn. If it was the location of the tomb/precursor stone, why did he need to contact the underground as opposed to looking out the window? If it was top underground agents, why make this move now when he should've been looking for the stone?
* For that matter, how did Torn get work back to the Baron? They can't have met face to face, the Baron would have had Torn captured/killed. If the Baron knew where to find Torn why did he wait? If there was a spy, and the Baron KNEW that the spy was a spy, he probably would've had him killed as opposed to letting him live on the off chance he wants to chat with the underground.
* If the Baron knew that Torn and Ashelin were close, did it really never occur to him to use her to get at him after that? Or threaten to have her killed if Torn didn't turn himself in?
* If the Baron managed to capture the Shadow, why stick him in prison instead of just killing him immediately and hanging his head on the wall outside the fortress? I can't think of any way to capture someone but not then have the means to kill them, especially since it was just some KG that managed to capture everyone in the tomb entrance.
* We know the Baron knows where the underground hideout is because a later mission used KG Blast Bots that were homing in on the hideout. Why didn't the Baron roll some of those tanks he's got kept in the fortress that you can see in the beginning of the game? Why didn't he just shoot a rocket at it? Or pump nerve gas in? Or anything besides just throw a handful of bots at it?
* And why didn't the underground move their HQ after this?
The whole sequence from the beginning of Jak activating the Light Tower to when he breaks his friends out of prison in Jak 2 has too many problems:
* As soon as the tomb was revealed, which it was with a giant beam of light shooting over the city from a precursor ruin that also happened to destroy a statue of the Baron within spitting distance of the palace itself, why wasn't the entire area closed off and fortified by the Krimzon Guard until the Baron got there?
* And for that matter, how did the Light Tower destroy the statue but not anything else like the much taller buildings around it?
* When they were building that statue of the Baron how did nobody realize that the tomb was right there? Was the base already there and hidden and they just decided to stick a statue on top?
* In fact why was the tomb hidden in the first place?
* How did the Shadow, the man at the top of the KG's most wanted list for probably years, just walk into the tomb? The same tomb that was, again, right in front of the Baron's palace?
* When Kor was arrested with the others how did he make it away? We see later in the prison that he wasn't there so what happened?
* For that matter, why didn't anyone notice that Kor wasn't there? Why didn't this bother anyone? Later on Kor shows up and nobody seems to even care that he vanished from the KGs clutches when even the Shadow couldn't escape.
* Why was Tess arrested? She wasn't even there when the KG arrested the Shadow, Kor and the kid. What did she do?
* Did Krew notice that Tess was away/arrested by KG? Tess was working for the underground spying on Krew but he didn't notice that she disappeared after the tomb was opened?
* How did the Baron get word to Torn that he was going to kill Ashelin if he didn't tell the Baron...something? We are never told exactly what the Baron wanted from Torn. If it was the location of the tomb/precursor stone, why did he need to contact the underground as opposed to looking out the window? If it was top underground agents, why make this move now when he should've been looking for the stone?
* For that matter, how did Torn get work back to the Baron? They can't have met face to face, the Baron would have had Torn captured/killed. If the Baron knew where to find Torn why did he wait? If there was a spy, and the Baron KNEW that the spy was a spy, he probably would've had him killed as opposed to letting him live on the off chance he wants to chat with the underground.
* If the Baron knew that Torn and Ashelin were close, did it really never occur to him to use her to get at him after that? Or threaten to have her killed if Torn didn't turn himself in?
* If the Baron managed to capture the Shadow, why stick him in prison instead of just killing him immediately and hanging his head on the wall outside the fortress? I can't think of any way to capture someone but not then have the means to kill them, especially since it was just some KG that managed to capture everyone in the tomb entrance.
* We know the Baron knows where the underground hideout is because a later mission used KG Blast Bots that were homing in on the hideout. Why didn't the Baron roll some of those tanks he's got kept in the fortress that you can see in the beginning of the game? Why didn't he just shoot a rocket at it? Or pump nerve gas in? Or anything besides just throw a handful of bots at it?
* And why didn't the underground move their HQ after this?
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*Minor query rather than a plothole, but where's the Eco Mine in Jak 3 supposed to be? It's not on any of the official maps and it's not visible in any of the overhead shots of the city. But it seems to be right up against the city walls, even though most of them just border the open ocean. So where is it?
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** Because enough of the other members just took a vote? Because Veger had let slip that he was responsible for the palace? Because he was mouthing off about the guy the whole town saw decimate a KG legion (five carriers single handedly mus count for something) and save the guard? He did swing from a particularly nasty obstructive Beureocrat into an outright big bad. That may be involved.
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** Because enough of the other members just took a vote? Because Veger had let slip that he was responsible for the palace? Because he was mouthing off about the guy the whole town saw decimate a KG legion (five carriers single handedly mus must count for something) and save the guard? He did swing from a particularly nasty obstructive Beureocrat into an outright big bad. That may be involved.involved.
** They said Veger was growing mad with power earlier on. My headcanon is that by this stage the council were only supporting Veger at all because they had no idea who else could solve their problems (Veger was making a big show of having a plan, whereas Jak was apparently still out in the desert dying.) If Ashelin had been broadcasting footage of Jak tearing through carriers like they were nothing all the while he was actually doing it, I expect Veger's support would be long gone by the time Jak had finished off the invaders.
** They said Veger was growing mad with power earlier on. My headcanon is that by this stage the council were only supporting Veger at all because they had no idea who else could solve their problems (Veger was making a big show of having a plan, whereas Jak was apparently still out in the desert dying.) If Ashelin had been broadcasting footage of Jak tearing through carriers like they were nothing all the while he was actually doing it, I expect Veger's support would be long gone by the time Jak had finished off the invaders.
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** Alternatively, it's a dress sword - you know, like officers in a lot of modern militaries still have - and part of the official regalia. The destruction of the Metal Head leader being a major event, of course he'd be in full dress uniform for it. So, in essence, it really is just for the dramatic gesure.
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** Can't justify it in-universe, but as for the genre shift, Naughty Dog did the same thing for the CrashBandicoot series with CrashTeamRacing. Maybe they're starting up a tradition? {{Uncharted}} could be next...
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** Can't justify it in-universe, but as for the genre shift, Naughty Dog did the same thing for the CrashBandicoot ''Franchise/CrashBandicoot'' series with CrashTeamRacing.Videogame/CrashTeamRacing''. Maybe they're starting up a tradition? {{Uncharted}} could be next...
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*** It's possible the Precursors offered this gift knowing Veger was nearby and that he would be the one to take "the honor" instead. Note that Veger doesn't step into the light and "steal" it from Jak; the Precursors actually ''grant him the gift instead''. By doing so, Veger gets his comeuppance; it's probably [[AFateWorseThanDeath the worst thing]] that could happen to him and the ultimate "be careful what you wish for". So the Precursors never intended to actually turn Jak into one of them -- even though they could easily do so. This is underlined by the fact that Jak is never granted his "gift" later on, either, not even after he ''has'' defeated Erol. And Jak never asks for it again. again.
*** Then again, it's possible that if JAK had recieved the gift, he could have recieved the power of the precursors. Don't forget, Jak is a decendant of Mar and an amazing eco sage. If he'd beome a precursor he may have been capable of using the Precursor's legendary power unlike Veger (who just thinks he's God) and Daxter (who's...Daxter). The extent of the Precursors abilities can only be guessed at, most of it seeming to draw from their technology, but perhaps the remainder of the Precursors were weakened by the metal heads and Jak could have pulled them out the gutter. It's a possibility.
*** Then again, it's possible that if JAK had recieved the gift, he could have recieved the power of the precursors. Don't forget, Jak is a decendant of Mar and an amazing eco sage. If he'd beome a precursor he may have been capable of using the Precursor's legendary power unlike Veger (who just thinks he's God) and Daxter (who's...Daxter). The extent of the Precursors abilities can only be guessed at, most of it seeming to draw from their technology, but perhaps the remainder of the Precursors were weakened by the metal heads and Jak could have pulled them out the gutter. It's a possibility.
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**** See, what I figured is that it's a combination of getting lucky to not die, and a theory of mine: Jak is going to be Samos' successor as the Green Sage in Jak 1 (i don't remember where it said this, I'm playing the HD collection and it doesn't seem to be in the game. maybe it was in the manual?) because of his talent for channeling Eco. Maybe DAXTER can also channel eco, and if not for the time loop, would have been the successor? WMG indeed
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** I always assumed that he only drew in ambient Dark Eco when he actually needed it. If you look, he only attracts it when he doesn't have enough to change. After that, he has to actually touch it to absorb it. Maybe he doesn't absorb from the vats because the danger of getting too much is too risky. Too much is deadly, as evidenced by his dying when he falls in vats. I mean, human beings can eat salt, but if you eat sixty pounds of salt in one sitting, you'll die.
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** Presumably Samos Senior gave him hints. Not the whole script, but enough. He claimed he'd warned Gol about dark corruption in TPL, so he probably sent Jak and Daxter knowing full well they'd end up having to stop some insane scheme (and one comment he makes in Sandover about Life as we know it being at stake proves this!)
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**Mar's statue has a very similar looking sword. For all we know, it was an unstopable precursor weapon which would have utterly destroyed our metal-headed enemy if he'd managed to hit him with it. And the Barron never leaves the palace without the sword, as shown in the fortress right at the start of the game...
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*** And of course, if it was only their essence it would only be one colour. It could just have easily turned Daxter into a full blown Dark maker monster when he fell in at the start, or vaporised him. He got RIDICULOUSLY lucky.
**** I agree with the above. Daxter's dark form was effectively a very chaotic, uncontrolled and unrefined temporary Dark maker form. Why it looks so different is Fridge brilliance: the Precursors were masters of using Eco. The Dark Makers clearly have a similar degree of intelligence despite their corruption. The Dark Makers of Jak three used dark eco to control their evolution, and made their soldier's bodies into perfect killing machines (very effectively, based on how the ground troopers performed...)
**Confirmed, mostly. Jak can feel his own Dark Eco, and his body naturally attracts the stuff in low enough concentrations. and he imediately recognised Dark Maker relics as being Dark eco based (although that wasn't too difficult anyway so..). Him being aware of his best friend's dark side is not too hard to figure out
**** Or that each colour is just a different flavour or the same thing (well that goes without saying..) and his effectively the same stuff, but with more of specific things than others? alternatively, white light is all the different kinds of light at once, but black is actually the mix of all the colours if you use paint or similar. Dark eco is Light eco, only charged negatively, which makes it more inclined to be bad for people somehow? and Light Eco is when it get's a positive spin on it instead? This raises the questions of what the heck Light Eco could do to people instead of dark, for instance? or for that matter, if there is a "colourless" eco...
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*** It's possible the Precursors offered this gift knowing Veger was nearby and that he would be the one to take "the honor" instead. Note that Veger doesn't step into the light and "steals" it from Jak; the Precursors actually ''grant him the gift instead''. By doing so, Veger gets his comeuppance; it's probably [[AFateWorseThanDeath the worst thing]] that could happen to him and the ultimate "be careful what you wish for". So the Precursors never intended to actually turn Jak into one of them -- even though they could easily do so. This is underlined by the fact that Jak is never granted his "gift" later on, either, not even after he ''has'' defeated Erol. And Jak never asks for it again.
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*** It's possible the Precursors offered this gift knowing Veger was nearby and that he would be the one to take "the honor" instead. Note that Veger doesn't step into the light and "steals" "steal" it from Jak; the Precursors actually ''grant him the gift instead''. By doing so, Veger gets his comeuppance; it's probably [[AFateWorseThanDeath the worst thing]] that could happen to him and the ultimate "be careful what you wish for". So the Precursors never intended to actually turn Jak into one of them -- even though they could easily do so. This is underlined by the fact that Jak is never granted his "gift" later on, either, not even after he ''has'' defeated Erol. And Jak never asks for it again.
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**Only Female Otsel. They're always like that normally? or maybe The precursor transformation was controlled to leave her as close to her original form as possible, to avoid causing trouble?
