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** The Water Dragon lies to and manipulates the player constantly throughout the game. Before Sun Hai was defeated she spoke in a extremely cryptic manner that could have meant anything when she didn't have to, while refusing to simply outright state anything especially the things that would actually be useful to know like the fact that Li was going to betray the player, which would have only solved her problem faster. Afterward she has the player by the balls and basically orders the player around without being cryptic about it until the final choice when you can finally stick it to her. We do have reason to believe her claims that the heavens were out to destroy the Jade Empire, there's actual evidence presented for it. Not only does the Water Dragon directly state as such "[the Sun Brothers] couldn't accept that their empire had to fall so something new would bloom" [not the exact quote but close enough] but there are accounts of the Long Drought throughout the game which showed that thousands of people were dying over the duration and if the Sun brothers hadn't done what they did when the Jade Empire finally collapsed there would have been hardly anybody that wasn't either dead or fled. It was only Hai's subsequent madness that made what he did bad, and Li set out to fix that, while the player could have just as easily done that themselves. The sages' forecast was only mentioned once in a scroll and was only an estimation on their part, one that the Gods could easily make false whenever they wanted even if it was an accurate one. However, we do NOT have any reason to believe the Water Dragon says about other lands going thirsty because the player is never given any opportunity to see other lands or meet anyone from them and thus verify this. If we did have these things then we would have reason to accept the Water Dragon's claims that we are screwing another land over, but we don't. Even if it was true why not just take a little bit of water from a bunch of different lands to avoid the entire issue?
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** The Water Dragon lies to and manipulates the player constantly throughout the game. Before Sun Hai was defeated she spoke in a extremely cryptic manner that could have meant anything when she didn't have to, while refusing to simply outright state anything especially the things that would actually be useful to know like the fact that Li was going to betray the player, which would have only solved her problem faster. Afterward she has the player by the balls and basically orders the player around without being cryptic about it until the final choice when you can finally stick it to her. We do have reason to believe her claims that the heavens were out to destroy the Jade Empire, there's actual evidence presented for it. Not only does the Water Dragon directly state as such "[the Sun Brothers] couldn't accept that their empire had to fall so something new would bloom" [not the exact quote but close enough] but there are accounts of the Long Drought throughout the game which showed that thousands of people were dying over the duration and if the Sun brothers hadn't done what they did when the Jade Empire finally collapsed there would have been hardly anybody that wasn't either dead or fled. It was only Hai's subsequent madness that made what he did bad, and Li set out to fix that, while the player could have just as easily done that themselves. The sages' forecast was only mentioned once in a scroll and was only an estimation on their part, one that the Gods could easily make false whenever they wanted even if it was an accurate one. However, we do NOT have any reason to believe the Water Dragon says about other lands going thirsty because the player is never given any opportunity to see other lands or meet anyone from them and thus verify this. If we did have these things then we would have reason to accept the Water Dragon's claims that we are screwing another land over, but we don't. Even if it was true why not just take a little bit of water from a bunch of different lands to avoid the entire issue?
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*** Manipulate, maybe, but the Water Dragon does not straight up lie. Cryptic or not everything she says that we can check on is true. I don't recall any evidence for her statements about the purpose of the Long Drought but if there was some that I missed then that really just backs up my point. The quote you provided (I can't remember the exact quote either but you're right, it's close enough) can be read as the gods trying to destroy the Empire itself or it can be read as I read it, changing the Empire into something new. Note ''their'' empire had to fall, not ''the'' empire. The word "empire" wasn't even capitalised in the subtitles. My guess is that the Empire had become so corrupt under the Sun brothers that breaking it up was the only solution and that was the purpose of the Drought. But the Sun brothers became more corrupt instead of trying to address the issue. My interpretation is rather backed up by the fact that a ressurected Water Dragon does not start up the Drought again; with the corruption that had set in in the Empire gone and the balance restored she doesn't have to. Indeed the Drought was terrible but the gods aren't mortal leaders. They control forces of nature and have to take the long view. Like I said, in another setting I'd take them to task but this is a setting that runs on big cosmic rules. I feel you are giving Sun Li far too much credit. You describing him setting out to fix Sun Hai's madness but that really doesn't fit the events. Literally seconds after victory at Dirge he tried to kill his brother to steal his power. If his aim was simply to stop the Drought what should it matter if he or his brother has the power? And then he kills a innocent man so he can steal a child and raise it on lies and emotional manipulation so that it can get him that power later. Worth noting that he begins this plan right then, before any of Hai's subsequent actions could be his motivation. And then when his plan is successful he does nothing to stop the Lotus Assassins, the golems or any of Hai's evil acts. He even re-enslaves the soul of his own brother. And then, just as an encore, he utterly rejects any love or responsibility for his own daughter. He's no hero, he's a selfish, dishonest, manipulative, near-as-damnit sociopathic meglomaniac. As for sharing out water I'd imagine that's what normally happens, some places are a little dryer sometimes but usually not to a major extent. But humans lack the capacity to manage that process, so the Sun Brothers just selfishly hoard it all whereas the Water Dragon knows what she's doing.
*** Manipulate, maybe, but the Water Dragon does not straight up lie. Cryptic or not everything she says that we can check on is true. I don't recall any evidence for her statements about the purpose of the Long Drought but if there was some that I missed then that really just backs up my point. The quote you provided (I can't remember the exact quote either but you're right, it's close enough) can be read as the gods trying to destroy the Empire itself or it can be read as I read it, changing the Empire into something new. Note ''their'' empire had to fall, not ''the'' empire. The word "empire" wasn't even capitalised in the subtitles. My guess is that the Empire had become so corrupt under the Sun brothers that breaking it up was the only solution and that was the purpose of the Drought. But the Sun brothers became more corrupt instead of trying to address the issue. My interpretation is rather backed up by the fact that a ressurected Water Dragon does not start up the Drought again; with the corruption that had set in in the Empire gone and the balance restored she doesn't have to. Indeed the Drought was terrible but the gods aren't mortal leaders. They control forces of nature and have to take the long view. Like I said, in another setting I'd take them to task but this is a setting that runs on big cosmic rules. I feel you are giving Sun Li far too much credit. You describing him setting out to fix Sun Hai's madness but that really doesn't fit the events. Literally seconds after victory at Dirge he tried to kill his brother to steal his power. If his aim was simply to stop the Drought what should it matter if he or his brother has the power? And then he kills a innocent man so he can steal a child and raise it on lies and emotional manipulation so that it can get him that power later. Worth noting that he begins this plan right then, before any of Hai's subsequent actions could be his motivation. And then when his plan is successful he does nothing to stop the Lotus Assassins, the golems or any of Hai's evil acts. He even re-enslaves the soul of his own brother. And then, just as an encore, he utterly rejects any love or responsibility for his own daughter. He's no hero, he's a selfish, dishonest, manipulative, near-as-damnit sociopathic meglomaniac. As for sharing out water I'd imagine that's what normally happens, some places are a little dryer sometimes but usually not to a major extent. But humans lack the capacity to manage that process, so the Sun Brothers just selfishly hoard it all whereas the Water Dragon knows what she's doing.
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*** There's nothing in the game that gives any indication that the player had to be a ghost to fix Dirge if doing so was truly necessary, and if the player had been informed that Li was going to betray them then they would have been able to beat Li and get the heart of the Water Dragon right then instead of having to die (or if the player somehow couldn't win, would have led to the same thing in the end anyway so it's doubly pointless) and thus allow Li to gain the Water Dragon's heart and the amulet needed to gain it's power to begin with and thus be a much greater threat than he would have been otherwise. In short, the entire last third of the game could have been avoided. Also, what Li felt was the fact that his student refused to rest easy, he doesn't say anything that gives any indication that the cleansing of Dirge weakened him in any way or that he was even aware that it happened. In fact, it would likely be the direct opposite, it would give Li a little more power to steal away if anything else. The only reason I can think of that the Water Dragon would want the player to jump through these hoops is so that the player would be forced to destroy the Water Dragon's body.
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** As I recall, if the player is being close fisted and picks the right dialog options, Li mentions teaching you to be very aggressive and he praises you for it. So maybe he did teach you to be more ruthless, just not at the Empire but in general.
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*** It's a huge leap of faith asking the player to just up and die and promising that they'll be brought back when that kind of thing doesn't happen and the path to the afterlife is blocked. The Water Dragon couldn't guarantee that the player would say yes while not interfering and letting Li kill them does guarantee it. It seems like letting the player die and bringing them back was always a part of the Water Dragon's plans since early on she says something about how once you see both sides of the Veil of Death you'll be strong enough. And restoring Dirge was clearly felt by Li so it stands to reason it weakened him just as destroying the Water Dragon or poisoning the water weakens him and allows the player to actually fight on a more even level so they could actually win.
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*** Why not simply ask the player to do that if it's so important? It's not really shown to be important in the end, the only reason the player needs to restore Dirge in the first place is so the Water Dragon has the power needed to bring them back to life, and doing that ends up sapping the Water Dragon of most of that power anyway, the rest ending up in Li's hands. If the player chooses to destroy the Water Dragon at the end it doesn't make a difference since the Water Dragon will eventually be resurrected and get all it's power back regardless of if Dirge is restored or not. It seems more like she allowed you to die so that you'd have no other choice but to destroy the Water Dragon's body in order to be able to beat Li, though the player does end up being able to find another way.
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*** I can't blame the Water Dragon for not mentioning that Li is going to betray and murder the player. It would be nice to know but the player ''needs'' to die so that Dirge can be cleansed, Li's grip on the power weakened, and the Water Dragon gets some power back. If the Water Dragon told the player that they needed to go die and don't worry, the Water Dragon would totally bring them back to life afterwards would the player have trusted them and gone ahead with it? It's a pretty big risk to take and easier to just not mention the death that has to happen.
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** The Water Dragon lies to and manipulates the player constantly throughout the game. Before Sun Hai was defeated she spoke in a extremely cryptic manner that could have meant anything when she didn't have to, while refusing to simply outright state anything especially the things that would actually be useful to know like the fact that Li was going to betray the player, which would have only solved her problem faster. Afterward she has the player by the balls and basically orders the player around without being cryptic about it until the final choice when you can finally stick it to her. We do have reason to believe her claims that the heavens were out to destroy the Jade Empire, there's actual evidence presented for it. Not only does the Water Dragon directly state as such "[the Sun Brothers] couldn't accept that their empire had to fall so something new would bloom" [not the exact quote but close enough] but there are accounts of the Long Drought throughout the game which showed that thousands of people were dying over the duration and if the Sun brothers hadn't done what they did when the Jade Empire finally collapsed there would have been hardly anybody that wasn't either dead or fled. It was only Hai's subsequent madness that made what he did bad, and Li set out to fix that, while the player could have just as easily done that themselves. The sages' forecast was only mentioned once in a scroll and was only an estimation on their part, one that the Gods could easily make false whenever they wanted even if it was an accurate one. However, we do NOT have any reason to believe the Water Dragon says about other lands going thirsty because the player is never given any opportunity to see other lands or meet anyone from them and thus verify this. If we did have these things then we would have reason to accept the Water Dragon's claims that we are screwing another land over, but we don't. Even if it was true why not just take a little bit of water from a bunch of different lands to avoid the entire issue?
As for the concept of balance it may be based on Chinese mythology but either the mythology is screwed up or Bioware's use of it is. The player doesn't have reason to believe the Gods' claims that balance in necessary because every time the player sees the implementation of this balance it's because the Gods decided to throw in that balance and the player ends up having to fix the clusterf#@! that inevitably results, when it wouldn't have ended up as such if the Gods had just left it well enough alone, the Forest Shadow and Wild Flower being the most notable examples I can think of. With the Forest Shadow the forest would have been fine without either her or the Mother around which the player can make happen and see the overall good results, and the dark half the Mother spends most of the time sealed away so it's not as if there's some constant battle between order and chaos going on anyway, while Wild Flower has to deal with an evil demon inside her that provides neither her nor Chai Ka any benefit whatsoever, spends most of Wild Flower's life suppressed, and can eventually be banished anyway, when balance is the only reason given why she couldn't just have Chai Ka by himself, so with both the lesson falls completely flat. The fact that these Gods don't even know why the Great Dragon created the Jade Empire world, where he went, or why he created it means they don't even know if the balance is what he actually wanted.
As for the concept of balance it may be based on Chinese mythology but either the mythology is screwed up or Bioware's use of it is. The player doesn't have reason to believe the Gods' claims that balance in necessary because every time the player sees the implementation of this balance it's because the Gods decided to throw in that balance and the player ends up having to fix the clusterf#@! that inevitably results, when it wouldn't have ended up as such if the Gods had just left it well enough alone, the Forest Shadow and Wild Flower being the most notable examples I can think of. With the Forest Shadow the forest would have been fine without either her or the Mother around which the player can make happen and see the overall good results, and the dark half the Mother spends most of the time sealed away so it's not as if there's some constant battle between order and chaos going on anyway, while Wild Flower has to deal with an evil demon inside her that provides neither her nor Chai Ka any benefit whatsoever, spends most of Wild Flower's life suppressed, and can eventually be banished anyway, when balance is the only reason given why she couldn't just have Chai Ka by himself, so with both the lesson falls completely flat. The fact that these Gods don't even know why the Great Dragon created the Jade Empire world, where he went, or why he created it means they don't even know if the balance is what he actually wanted.
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*** I think you might be misinterpreting what the Water Dragon said about the Drought. It was going to bring an end to the Empire as it was, not wipe the whole place off the map. Actualy the three years thing is always put in certain terms every time it's stated, the sages of the Jade Empire were sure that was how long. Now I admit that it's possible that the Water Dragon might lie about another realm going without water but you're not giving any reason to suspect that she's lying other than you don't like her. Which is a tad inconsistant, as she's also the only source for the matter of the Drought clearing the way for something new, a princible point in your argument. If we can't trust her word on one matter we can't do so on another. In addition to that what evidence we do have supports the idea that the Water Dragon is not in the habit of lying; while she may not always volunteer all the information she has (given how short the times she's able to communicate are) she never once lies about anything we get conformation on while literally every mortal figure of authority lies big and often. Sun Hai lies about his nature and how he ended the blight, Death's Hand and the Lotus Assissins lie almost as a job description and Sun Li...well, his lies are the main plot. So we've every reason to think she's telling the truth. As for the gods and balance being required to maintain the world, aside from the fact that the game is based on Chinese mythology (in which that is certainly the case) we have the evidence of the one known time in which a god was removed from her position and a mortal tried to step in her place; the world was overrun by angry, dangerous ghosts and the mortal in question went mad with power, setting up a nightmarish police state controlled by sadistic assassins and automata powered by the souls of the innocent. Don't get me wrong, if some spiritual beings held this position in another, differently structured setting, say DragonAge, I'd be right with you. But in the Jade Empire setting the evidence comes down hard on the side of the gods.
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*** Except that the Water Dragon directly states that the Long Drought happened because the Gods wanted to destroy the Jade Empire so that something better could replace, not because it was a necessity. The three years was merely an estimation of how long the Drought would last, not a certainty. If the Sun brothers had not done what they did then the Gods would have made sure that the Drought lasted however long as it needed to end the Jade Empire, thus the Jade Empire would have been destroyed regardless of how much rationing and knuckling under the Sun brothers did. Also, we the viewers have something to back up the claim that the Long Drought would have destroyed the Jade Empire, namely the eyewitness reports and historical accounts of many who lived through it, but we don't have any reason to believe the claims that other lands go thirsty. We also have no reason to believe the claims of the Gods that their balance is a necessary thing, they don't even know why they're keeping that balance!
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*** Except it really isn't nonsense, at least not within the context of the game. The Drought was required for water to flow elsewhere. The Sun brothers attempt to keep the Empire as it was meant some other land suffered a drought many times worse than the Jade Empire did and for longer. It may not be nice that the world must exist in such balance but it's pretty clear that that is how the world of Jade Empire works, in keeping with it's roots in Chinese mythology. Any anger for that state of affairs should be directed at the Great Dragon that apparantly created that world, not the spirits simply trying to keep the world thing running as best as they can. And no, it's not the god's fault the events of the game occured, at least not entirely. The Drought was going to end in three years anyway. The Sun brothers could have rationed water, sent people to the sea to desalinise water from there and otherwise knuckle under until it was over. Instead they went off to become gods, assuming that they could just do what they liked with that power, missing the point that they exist in a world in which gods have actual jobs to do.
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*** What the Sun brothers did was more than just a grab for power, otherwise it would have happened long before the drought either by the Sun brothers or their predecessors and they probably would have kept on running around slaying gods for power as well, but an act of desperation brought about by an attempt at mass genocide of the entire Jade Empire, not just the Sun Dynasty alone by the Gods themselves, and there's obviously easier and less omnicidal ways to accomplish the end of the Sun Dynasty if that's all they wanted. The Sun brothers would have been content to rule the Jade Empire until their death and subsequently passed it on down to their descendants as the Sun Dynasty has been for centuries if the Long Drought had never happened, and it only did because the Gods wanted it to, the Water Dragon directly states as such. The Gods wanted the Jade Empire to end so "something new would bloom", without care for how many thousands have and would die as a result to bring that about. In short, it was the God's own damn fault that the entire game's events happened at all, not that you'd ever see them admit that, and the most they are doing in the game is attempting to clean up their own mess. In the game proper the Gods also refused to provide Also, the only reason that the forest of the Shadow and Mother was under threat is because the Celestial Bureaucracy decided to put them there to begin with. If they hadn't, the forest would have been just fine, and the only reason they did it is because of their adherence to their insane "there must be balance" nonsense.
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** Because he's a cultural imperialist. He's looking for things to complain about.
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** [[ComicallyMissingThePoint Well actuallly it's more like "swen" and "swun" but with an emphasis on the vowel sound and a flat tone...]] Then again, I think it's more that you have English-speaking voice actors who are just doing it as close to it as they can, especially since English doesn't have tones, nor does it have umlauts or the "dz/dzh" sound.
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*** As a an aditional point of support for that some English speaking people, even professional actors, struggle with Asian pronounciation. Better to let all the actors use English style pronounciation than risk ending up with something that sounds silly or even insulting to a native speaker.
*** As a an aditional point of support for that some English speaking people, even professional actors, struggle with Asian pronounciation. Better to let all the actors use English style pronounciation than risk ending up with something that sounds silly or even insulting to a native speaker.
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**** I wouldn't say that that is "made quite clear" at all. The Forest Shadow put herself at risk to defeat The Mother ages ago and then does so again by letting you reach her without knowing your intentions. Nothing sugests she herself was at risk from The Mother before steeping in to fight her the first time. She's also kept her bargin to defend Lord Yu's family. Note that Yu is considered a threat by the Lotus Assisins and yet is still alive and powerful. Zin Bu could have looked for revenge when you ended up screwing him but instead he found a solution that benefited both of you. Lao Kang, while a tad...unpredictable is a basicaly benevolent entity that helps you out with no requests for payment. Someone in the Celestial Beaucracy sent Chai Ka to help you out (it can't have been the Water Dragon, it happened after she was killed) and someone, probably the same someone, brings Wild Flower back to life after Chai Ka is no longer needed. The more powerful gods might be dismissive, for the reasons stated above, but they are hardly the monsters you're making them out to be. They just have a wider view. The Water Dragon for instance was not willing to allow some other nation to suffer from an endless drought just so Sun Hai's dynasty could continue without trouble. What the Sun brothers did was not some noble rebellion against divine tyranny but rather selfish actions to increase their own power without considering the consequences.
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** It's rather telling that the first spirit that does let you in on anything to do with the Water Dragon is the Forest shadow, who is trickster spirit and therefore basicaly has "bend the rules" in her job description.
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** It's {{foreshadow|ing}}ed throughout the game, with various fighters saying there's something not-quite-right about your style, right up to Crimson Khana pointing it out after you fight her in the arena.
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-->'''Crimson Khana:''' Consider it a perfectly laid trap, not a weakness. Your master was truly skilled, to mold such a trap into your very being. It is odd he never mentioned it to you.
-->'''Protaganist:''' Others have mentioned this. Should I be concerned?
-->'''Crimson Khana:''' Consider it a perfectly laid trap, not a weakness. Your master was truly skilled, to mold such a trap into your very being. It is odd he never mentioned it to you.
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** The sight of a mortal not under her control set off her feeding reflex and she assumed you were just thrown in there to bat around/eat?
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** Similarly, if you're Radiant Jen Zi the things they're looking for are a woman with your hairstyle wearing red and blue silks. It sure is a good thing you can't change either, or that would be completely useless!
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** Not with the shoddy description the Lotus Assassins have of you that they've been spreading around. Virtually no one who knows who you are survived to report back so you're perfectly fine just wandering around as is.
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* Imagine for a moment that you're an incredibly talented martial artist who kinda resembles Bruce Lee, and to underscore that connection, you get a tattoo of a big honking black dragon that covers the whole of your back. While being the most metal thing ever, if you're suddenly a wanted man and every soldier in the Empire is looking out for you wouldn't you...oh I don't know...PUT ON A SHIRT??
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** [[Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick Who are these "Europeans" and "Chinese" you speak of? I never heard of them before.]]
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*Why is Sir Roderick so insulting about silver and talking about putting gold into statues when the main reasons that Europeans were after gold and silver in Africa and the Americas was because Chinese officials refused to let them import other things? Well, that and some of the European goods were not so convenient for the area and they basically got into freight work.
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* It just bugs me that the pseudo-Chinese names are not pronounced like actual Chinese names (e.g. the family name Sun is pronounced like the English word "sun" while it should have been more like "soon"). Yes, I know, it's a fantasy world and not China, the pronunciation rules are not actually the same as in our world, and so on. But given all the amount of research into Chinese culture that went into this game...
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* Why is it that The Mother, after being described as an ancient and cunning demon, apparently has dog-level intelligence when you face her?
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**** You're right. [[AppealToNature That does sound familiar]].
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** The implication I always got was that the Water Dragon could only impart some information at each time she communicated with the Spirit Monk but not everything, and so she told the Spirit Monk the vital information at each point she could communicate. As pointed out above, in the event that she had said something like 'Sun Li is your true enemy,' if she was believed, which was no guarantee, it would potentially have led to the Spirit Monk just stopping there, with Li already in the hands of the Emperor, who was likely to kill him and end that threat. Instead, she told the Spirit Monk the information that would keep them going, hopefully putting them on their guard, but at the very least keeping them on the path to restoring Dirge and letting her finally die. As we see with the Forest Shadow, who attempts to use the Spirit Monk to defeat the Mother, the fates of mortals are less important to the members of the Celestial Bureaucracy as their own, and the current fate of the Water Dragon was paramount.
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** Six Heavens is a scholar and philosopher. He may be an idiot, but him being able to read your philosophy from your stance isn't too out of character. Aishi, meanwhile, is no "ordinary bandit." She's unusually perceptive and strong-willed, and undoubtedly has a bit of philosophical education. But the Lotus Assassins (except for Jia) are not trained in philosophy, they're trained to abandon such things and become single-minded tools of the Emperor's ambition. Open Palm and Closed Fist are meaningless.
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* It rather bugged me that there was no way to avoid becoming a CompleteMonster if you chose to bind Death's Hand. Up until that point, the game allowed you a rather large amount of leeway. Then suddenly it's a case of soulbind your party members or release Death's Hand. Why not an option allowing those who didn't agree with you to go their separate way and fend for themselves? It wouldn't have been difficult to implement in-game. Just don't allow the party members to follow you to the palace. I mean, you didn't even NEED the blood of your party members! '''You had just finished offing several members of the Lotus Assassins. Clearly they could have been used to poison the Water Dragon'''. Or hell, add an extra level of disfunction in there: You bind your party members but AREN'T forced to sacrifice them, and then you get the added bonus of having your sex slave(s) (depending on your romantic choices) at your beck and call! It's an opportunity for the protagonist to be event MORE of a monster an Bioware missed it!
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* It rather bugged me that there was no way to avoid becoming a CompleteMonster JerkWithAHeartOfJerk if you chose to bind Death's Hand. Up until that point, the game allowed you a rather large amount of leeway. Then suddenly it's a case of soulbind your party members or release Death's Hand. Why not an option allowing those who didn't agree with you to go their separate way and fend for themselves? It wouldn't have been difficult to implement in-game. Just don't allow the party members to follow you to the palace. I mean, you didn't even NEED the blood of your party members! '''You had just finished offing several members of the Lotus Assassins. Clearly they could have been used to poison the Water Dragon'''. Or hell, add an extra level of disfunction in there: You bind your party members but AREN'T forced to sacrifice them, and then you get the added bonus of having your sex slave(s) (depending on your romantic choices) at your beck and call! It's an opportunity for the protagonist to be event MORE of a monster an Bioware missed it!
