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** (1)The beliefs of individual characters are not a representation of the author's view on said subject. (2) Mann fabricates data because he's driven insane by isolation. How is that even comparable to what climate change denialists believe the scientists to be doing? That they both tamper with data? It's like comparing surgeons to butchers because they both use knives on living flesh.

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**** Though, they are able to transmit audio and video in both directions...

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Doctor “Mann”, played by a heavy environmentalist, makes up a complete story that a planet is far warmer than reality...
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*** It’s artistic license. Dipping in and out of that gravity well would cost thousands of Earth years, no matter how they did it. Also, Miller’s signal would have been Doppler shifted far beyond recognizably. If NASA had even tried to prepare for this signal, they sure as heck would know right away of the time dilation.

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Flying a tiny portion of Earth’s population off the planet is extremely implausible. Ok, the movie attacks the angle of implausibility head on. But, whatever this blight is, if they can make a space ark without the blight— a sealed environment— why can’t they far easier do that on Earth? Forgetting the magic anti-gravity thing, the energy needed to evacuate just one person out of Earth’s gravity well is several orders of magnitude beyond that needed to build and maintain a sealed environment on Earth.
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[[folder:Why is adult Murph so angry at Cooper?]]
I can see that when the elder Professor Brand confesses his sins to Murph that she flips out and has a major crisis of faith. But a lot of time passes before she sends her angst message to the Endurance, and more before she shows up at Tom’s farm. Yet, she’s still furious. But this seems so insanely self-indulgent.

She’s a brilliant lifetime trained scientist. She has to know that her father was not a rocket scientist, and probably didn’t know a fraction of the physics. And she bitterly attacks Cooper for abandoning her on Earth— she must understand that Cooper flew off on a mission that was darn near a 99.9% a suicide mission. She makes it sound like Cooper was flying off to Rigel to hang out with some green slave women.
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*** Questionable. When asked what the fleeing people are hoping to find, she just says "survival." If they were headed for the arks - for which Murph is a senior official - it would've been a non-question. It's more likely that it's a re-enactment of the population movements during the original Dust Bowl: people unable to survive where they were, so striking out to find somewhere, ''anywhere'' they can make a living and survive. Thematically, it's also consistent with the film.

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*** It was explicitly stated during Cooper's briefing that getting data back through the wormhole was extremely rudimentary, mainly limited to very short binary blips. Presumably, an encoded timestamp would've been too complex to be readable.

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*** And Miller didn't actually gave a thumbs up. She approached the planet, probably saw the water, and send an "OK" to show she was still alive and that the planet had water. Then, she landed, she died from the wave, and planetary seconds after, the main characters landed. It was all due to the time dilation that her first OK kept being repeated while going out of the atmosphere.

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** To be fair, the hypothesis that the fifth dimensional beings were the future of humanity speaking into the past was never confirmed outside of Cooper's guess, which means that the actual truth is still ambiguous. They ''could'' have been SufficientlyAdvancedAliens with Cooper just being mistaken. However, the issue of a StableTimeLoop is not ambiguous because Cooper himself was involved with it. Thus, whether it was a transcended humanity or SufficientlyAdvancedAliens, a StableTimeLoop is involved.

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** Also, simple visual shorthand. The American flag on the moon is probably the most famous and evocative image we have of space colonization, and the average viewer isn’t going to stop and ask why they didn’t change the flag to something more universal now that the space race is over. Creating a whole new “Earth flag” to use in the movie would require at least a sentence or two of in-universe explanation, while using the American flag does not.

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*** The main character is a middle aged guy who holds a engineeer degree and flew for the NASA. The supression of knowledge at most has been going on for a couple of decades, and there are still plenty of people around who must know how things were before. Unless they are also giving some sort of amnesic drug to the population, that kind of information doesn't evaporate that quick.


** You assume that (a) most of the people in the society depicted even have "a rudimentary understanding of physics" and (b) that they also have easy access to things like footage of the moon landings and the hammer and feather experiment and so forth. In (a), that's something that's a problem even today -- there's [[https://phystec.physics.cornell.edu/content/crisis-physics-education reportedly a drastic shortage of physics teachers in the US]] and already large numbers of people that already believe the Moon landing was a hoax, even with the evidence to the contrary easily available. With a repressive and anti-intellectual government actively ensuring that as many people as possible believe this, I imagine this would be even worse. With (b), it is heavily implied that the Internet -- and by extension, the easy availability of information we take for granted today -- is no longer widely available. It's easy to find evidence to prove the Moon landings when you can call up the relevant footage on YouTube and the page at Rational Wiki at a moment's notice. If you can't, where's the place most people would have any kind of access to this information? School. And who decides what gets taught at many schools? The government. Which brings us back to point (a).

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** You assume that (a) most of the people in the society depicted even have "a rudimentary understanding of physics" and (b) that they also have easy access to things like footage of the moon landings and the hammer and feather experiment and so forth. In (a), that's something that's a problem even today -- there's [[https://phystec.physics.cornell.edu/content/crisis-physics-education reportedly a drastic shortage of physics teachers in the US]] and already large numbers of people that already believe the Moon landing was a hoax, even with the evidence to the contrary easily available. With a repressive and anti-intellectual government actively ensuring that as many people as possible believe this, I imagine this would be even worse. With (b), it is heavily implied that the Internet -- and by extension, the easy availability of information we take for granted today -- is no longer widely available. It's easy to find evidence to prove the Moon landings when you can call up the relevant footage on YouTube Website/YouTube and the page at Rational Wiki at a moment's notice. If you can't, where's the place most people would have any kind of access to this information? School. And who decides what gets taught at many schools? The government. Which brings us back to point (a).

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*** Incubate the eggs using exactly what? Was Brand supposed to be the mother?


** Is it even show in the movie that they embrace some sort of big scale multi-planetary colonization? We only see humans living in a hugh space station and a colony in ONE other planet (Edmunds), presumebly they did made other space stations, but as far as we know they did save Earth from the blight as Cooper (the daughter) is said to be living there.

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** Is it even show in the movie that they embrace some sort of big scale multi-planetary colonization? We only see humans living in a hugh space station and a colony in ONE other planet (Edmunds), presumebly presumably they did made make other space stations, but as far as we know they did save Earth from the blight as Cooper (the daughter) is said to be living there.



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** Also, Mann's got an ego. Pretty much everything we hear before we meet him is about how Mann is, well, the man, he's the top guy, the leader, the one everyone expects to succeed in the mission. And notice how much of Mann's dialogue basically revolves around saving humanity. Even his last words are the beginning of some grandiose lecture about how he's doing what he's doing for all of humanity. On some level, Mann feels entitled to be the hero, the one who saves the human race, so when he discovered that his world was basically uninhabitable, he didn't handle it well.

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