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* Why would Sadness's eyes widen slightly describing the first stage of gloom in describing the move's black control panel crisis? She was there! She knew what it was way before Disgust described it! Unless she realized that she needed to explain this to Riley, it makes no sense for her to have that kind of reaction.
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* Why would Sadness's eyes widen slightly describing the first stage of gloom in describing the move's black control panel crisis? She was there! She knew what it was way before Disgust described it! Unless she realized that she needed to explain this to Riley, it makes no sense for her to have that kind of reaction.reaction.
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** Regardless of whether she knows why the drawings are important or not, it's the only really irregular thing in Riley's room. Even when you're not sure why something makes you feel mixed, it's the only clue they have for why their daughter has started being so snippy and quiet and hearing voices. Like a game of pictionary, those drawings might be the only hint they have for what's going on in Riley's head. (Which in this case is literally true) So of course she'd call over Bill to look.
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** Regardless of whether she knows why the drawings are important or not, it's the only really irregular thing in Riley's room. Even when you're not sure why something makes you feel mixed, it's the only clue they have for why their daughter has started being so snippy and quiet and hearing voices. Like a game of pictionary, ''TabletopGame/{{Pictionary}}'', those drawings might be the only hint they have for what's going on in Riley's head. (Which in this case is literally true) So of course she'd call over Bill to look.
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* Why would Sadness's eyes widen slightly describing the first stage of gloom in describing the move's black control panel crisis? She was there! She knew what it was way before Disgust described it! Unless she realized that she needed to explain this to Riley, it makes no sense for her to have that kind of reaction.
* So this is going to get screwy, but how exactly does riley's thought process work? Let's have a look at it all, shall we?
** Facts and opinions are in plug in boxes which are similar to imagination plug ins like seen when Riley imagined what her new house would look like.
** Ideas are formed into lightbulbs which are actualized by emotions and transported from the idea fields where brainstorms happen.
** Riley can be consciously inside her mind when she lucid dreams, but it's not a dream that way if a reality filter is off.
** She can also talk to the emotions via thought both in her hq while awake, and to select spots when inside the mind world.
** But more surprising as revealed in chapter 25 is that she ALSO has a literal stream of consciousness where anyone inside the water can actually hear what Riley is thinking about. A stream that flows through imagination land. So the question I'm trying to ask is...how can a stream of consciousness be flowing in imagination land if Riley's also thinking of things elsewhere? Are there other streams that are connected to HQ or that cause brainstorms or what have you? I mean dang. The mind is really complex.
* So this is going to get screwy, but how exactly does riley's thought process work? Let's have a look at it all, shall we?
** Facts and opinions are in plug in boxes which are similar to imagination plug ins like seen when Riley imagined what her new house would look like.
** Ideas are formed into lightbulbs which are actualized by emotions and transported from the idea fields where brainstorms happen.
** Riley can be consciously inside her mind when she lucid dreams, but it's not a dream that way if a reality filter is off.
** She can also talk to the emotions via thought both in her hq while awake, and to select spots when inside the mind world.
** But more surprising as revealed in chapter 25 is that she ALSO has a literal stream of consciousness where anyone inside the water can actually hear what Riley is thinking about. A stream that flows through imagination land. So the question I'm trying to ask is...how can a stream of consciousness be flowing in imagination land if Riley's also thinking of things elsewhere? Are there other streams that are connected to HQ or that cause brainstorms or what have you? I mean dang. The mind is really complex.
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* Why would Sadness's eyes widen slightly describing the first stage of gloom in describing the move's black control panel crisis? She was there! She knew what it was way before Disgust described it! Unless she realized that she needed to explain this to Riley, it makes no sense for her to have that kind of reaction.
* So this is going to get screwy, but how exactly does riley's thought process work? Let's have a look at it all, shall we?
** Facts and opinions are in plug in boxes which are similar to imagination plug ins like seen when Riley imagined what her new house would look like.
** Ideas are formed into lightbulbs which are actualized by emotions and transported from the idea fields where brainstorms happen.
** Riley can be consciously inside her mind when she lucid dreams, but it's not a dream that way if a reality filter is off.
** She can also talk to the emotions via thought both in her hq while awake, and to select spots when inside the mind world.
** But more surprising as revealed in chapter 25 is that she ALSO has a literal stream of consciousness where anyone inside the water can actually hear what Riley is thinking about. A stream that flows through imagination land. So the question I'm trying to ask is...how can a stream of consciousness be flowing in imagination land if Riley's also thinking of things elsewhere? Are there other streams that are connected to HQ or that cause brainstorms or what have you? I mean dang. The mind is really complex.reaction.
* So this is going to get screwy, but how exactly does riley's thought process work? Let's have a look at it all, shall we?
** Facts and opinions are in plug in boxes which are similar to imagination plug ins like seen when Riley imagined what her new house would look like.
** Ideas are formed into lightbulbs which are actualized by emotions and transported from the idea fields where brainstorms happen.
** Riley can be consciously inside her mind when she lucid dreams, but it's not a dream that way if a reality filter is off.
** She can also talk to the emotions via thought both in her hq while awake, and to select spots when inside the mind world.
** But more surprising as revealed in chapter 25 is that she ALSO has a literal stream of consciousness where anyone inside the water can actually hear what Riley is thinking about. A stream that flows through imagination land. So the question I'm trying to ask is...how can a stream of consciousness be flowing in imagination land if Riley's also thinking of things elsewhere? Are there other streams that are connected to HQ or that cause brainstorms or what have you? I mean dang. The mind is really complex.
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* Why would Sadness's eyes widen slightly describing the first stage of gloom in describing the move's black control panel crisis? She was there! She knew what it was way before Disgust described it! Unless she realized that she needed to explain this to Riley, it makes no sense for her to have that kind of reaction.
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* Why would Sadness's eyes widen slightly describing the first stage of gloom in describing the move's black control panel crisis? She was there! She knew what it was way before Disgust described it! Unless she realized that she needed to explain this to Riley, it makes no sense for her to have that kind of reaction.reaction.
* So this is going to get screwy, but how exactly does riley's thought process work? Let's have a look at it all, shall we?
** Facts and opinions are in plug in boxes which are similar to imagination plug ins like seen when Riley imagined what her new house would look like.
** Ideas are formed into lightbulbs which are actualized by emotions and transported from the idea fields where brainstorms happen.
** Riley can be consciously inside her mind when she lucid dreams, but it's not a dream that way if a reality filter is off.
** She can also talk to the emotions via thought both in her hq while awake, and to select spots when inside the mind world.
** But more surprising as revealed in chapter 25 is that she ALSO has a literal stream of consciousness where anyone inside the water can actually hear what Riley is thinking about. A stream that flows through imagination land. So the question I'm trying to ask is...how can a stream of consciousness be flowing in imagination land if Riley's also thinking of things elsewhere? Are there other streams that are connected to HQ or that cause brainstorms or what have you? I mean dang. The mind is really complex.
* So this is going to get screwy, but how exactly does riley's thought process work? Let's have a look at it all, shall we?
** Facts and opinions are in plug in boxes which are similar to imagination plug ins like seen when Riley imagined what her new house would look like.
** Ideas are formed into lightbulbs which are actualized by emotions and transported from the idea fields where brainstorms happen.
** Riley can be consciously inside her mind when she lucid dreams, but it's not a dream that way if a reality filter is off.
** She can also talk to the emotions via thought both in her hq while awake, and to select spots when inside the mind world.
** But more surprising as revealed in chapter 25 is that she ALSO has a literal stream of consciousness where anyone inside the water can actually hear what Riley is thinking about. A stream that flows through imagination land. So the question I'm trying to ask is...how can a stream of consciousness be flowing in imagination land if Riley's also thinking of things elsewhere? Are there other streams that are connected to HQ or that cause brainstorms or what have you? I mean dang. The mind is really complex.
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*** PPK here. First, flarn2006 and Eric: you guys are awesome. Secondly, you guys bring up good points, and Eric's mention about the memories subconsciously being Riley's are how I consider it: the emotions don't necessarily cause a memory to be created (whether regular or core), it's Riley's cognitive process/unconscious mind/what-have-you that dictates when a memory is created and how strong it is, which may also relate to the emotions being compelled to change memories when Riley's perspective on events change. On a deeper level, the emotions aren't really in control—''Riley herself'' is, even though it's not on a level she realizes (except for instances like the Console Lockout in Chapter 19 and 20 so far). The reason that there's a distinction between ordinary recall and the emotions giving her the answers is because they wrote them down and are directly telling her in correlation with the test questions, rather than just relying on recall of memory orbs like normal.
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*** PPK here. First, flarn2006 and Eric: you guys are awesome. Secondly, you guys bring up good points, and Eric's mention about the memories subconsciously being Riley's are how I consider it: the emotions don't necessarily cause a memory to be created (whether regular or core), it's Riley's cognitive process/unconscious mind/what-have-you that dictates when a memory is created and how strong it is, which may also relate to the emotions being compelled to change memories when Riley's perspective on events change. On a deeper level, the emotions aren't really in control—''Riley herself'' is, even though it's not on a level she realizes (except for instances like the Console Lockout in Chapter 19 and 20 so far). The reason that there's a distinction between ordinary recall and the emotions giving her the answers is because they wrote them down and are directly telling her in correlation with the test questions, rather than just relying on recall of memory orbs like normal.normal.
* Why would Sadness's eyes widen slightly describing the first stage of gloom in describing the move's black control panel crisis? She was there! She knew what it was way before Disgust described it! Unless she realized that she needed to explain this to Riley, it makes no sense for her to have that kind of reaction.
* Why would Sadness's eyes widen slightly describing the first stage of gloom in describing the move's black control panel crisis? She was there! She knew what it was way before Disgust described it! Unless she realized that she needed to explain this to Riley, it makes no sense for her to have that kind of reaction.
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*** I thought something like that might be the case. After all, during the first day of school scene, Riley describes her friend Meg playing forward and her dad being a coach right before Joy calls the memory up. Seeing as all those memories are stored in Long Term and Riley didn't need memory orbs to be called to remember Meg and her Dad, it could be that memory recall is used to have her primarily think of specific moments or facts. Knowledge like that that's collected over a collection of memories is thus something she knows through her own long term and reasoning, rather than having a bunch of different memory orbs called up.
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** It's possible that there are some things Riley can remember on her own. In fact, as seen in Inside Out, there are several things she remembers that no recall is visibly involved in remembering it. I guess that as long as she experiences something for a bit, she can remember it...somewhat for a least a little. At least, until the mind chooses to let it go.
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*** It's kinda tricky to muddle through, but perhaps this is something YOU should right a story about. How they have been cheating this whole time and we just didn't know it.
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*** It's kinda tricky to muddle through, but perhaps this is something YOU should right write a story about. How they have been cheating this whole time and we just didn't know it.
*** PPK here. First, flarn2006 and Eric: you guys are awesome. Secondly, you guys bring up good points, and Eric's mention about the memories subconsciously being Riley's are how I consider it: the emotions don't necessarily cause a memory to be created (whether regular or core), it's Riley's cognitive process/unconscious mind/what-have-you that dictates when a memory is created and how strong it is, which may also relate to the emotions being compelled to change memories when Riley's perspective on events change. On a deeper level, the emotions aren't really in control—''Riley herself'' is, even though it's not on a level she realizes (except for instances like the Console Lockout in Chapter 19 and 20 so far). The reason that there's a distinction between ordinary recall and the emotions giving her the answers is because they wrote them down and are directly telling her in correlation with the test questions, rather than just relying on recall of memory orbs like normal.
*** PPK here. First, flarn2006 and Eric: you guys are awesome. Secondly, you guys bring up good points, and Eric's mention about the memories subconsciously being Riley's are how I consider it: the emotions don't necessarily cause a memory to be created (whether regular or core), it's Riley's cognitive process/unconscious mind/what-have-you that dictates when a memory is created and how strong it is, which may also relate to the emotions being compelled to change memories when Riley's perspective on events change. On a deeper level, the emotions aren't really in control—''Riley herself'' is, even though it's not on a level she realizes (except for instances like the Console Lockout in Chapter 19 and 20 so far). The reason that there's a distinction between ordinary recall and the emotions giving her the answers is because they wrote them down and are directly telling her in correlation with the test questions, rather than just relying on recall of memory orbs like normal.
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*** If this happened often, it would probably just be considered a normal function of the mind rather than cheating.
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*** If this happened often, it would probably just be considered a normal function of the mind rather than cheating.cheating.
** The interesting thing about this is that it’s an intersection of epistemology (study of knowledge and belief), ethics (right action), and metaphysics (how we understand the world). Now what you seem to be drilling at with your question is that given the metaphysics of the Inside Out universe, why is the epistemology of the human mind set up the way it is? And more to the point, what kind of ethics would prevent the emotions from acting in a certain way?
***For the simple answer, how do you know they haven’t been doing this before? Haven’t you had a few tests where an answer just “came to you” when you needed it?
*** But to try and tangle with an assumption that the emotions don’t use the intercom for general interactions, that takes a bit more thought. And truthfully, this is what happens when a film universe starts getting probed for the underlying assumptions about their work. Suddenly holes in logic start popping up because they weren’t included in the filmmaking process. Especially for something as mysterious as a human mind (even whether it exists in some circles). But, I will try to think through this in the best way I can.
*** To begin with, remember that the primary reason Riley thought that she was cheating on her test was because she believed that she should be doing it on her own rather than having the emotions feed it to her all the time. That before the intercom broke, she just thought she was working through things on her own. Simple personal responsibility. But as you pointed out, Emotions try to feed Riley memories all the time through recalling things through the mind’s eye. But what I think is the key difference between giving information through Fear’s notes and giving information through memory orbs comes down to a question of what “is” riley’s and what’s her emotions.
*** As established in the film, the emotions aren’t exactly riley. Riley doesn’t exactly like/play the accordian, but Joy does. Doesn’t really like wrestling but Anger does. Could probably find certain bad dreams more terrifying while Fear is just bored by them. As Riley insisted, she’s not her emotions. Which then brings me to the distinction that I see as the main difference between using orbs and using paper. You see, the difference is that the paper is used by fear to take notes about the day. And while it was generated by part of Riley’s mind, that paper isn’t really meant to be used by Riley. It’s like the difference between what’s shared with the public, and what’s used by an intelligence committee.
*** But the Memory orbs? Those are always Riley’s. The emotions set the color for what they are, but only Riley (subconsciously) decides where 1 memory starts and another stops. Or whether that memory is now part of her personality. So even though Fear’s notepad could be used as a memory recall method through using an intercom, it’s considered cheating because that paper isn’t really Riley’s. The memory orbs are what’s hers. Getting memory outside of that? That’s cheating.
*** Besides, that’s not even getting into other more simple answers to why this sort of thing hasn’t happened. Like Emotions not remembering the test stuff, or not finding the test valuable enough to even think about recording or personally remembering. Or that they kept trying to recall information from the orbs, and say fear’s panic, anger’s frustration or sadness’s despair didn’t have them thinking of working outside the box in that way.
*** And that’s not even getting into the main reason why Riley was unique in even exploring this option: most emotions don’t bother to talk with their person. This could be for a variety of reasons (as I theorized above), but to keep it short, perhaps the emotions just aren’t interested in risking their person thinking themselves crazy just to get ahead on 1 test. Or as Anger mentioned in chapter 2, “That intercom’s meant for small conscious-voice-talking only!” That emotions on a normal basis aren’t interested in distracting their person with their chatter about this or that, even if they could be helpful. Or for the fact that by directly feeding her information, they’re taking away Riley’s free will. And the emotions are guardians, not controllers. (at least, they try not to be) If they were to just keep feeding Riley information without using the memory orbs, then they wouldn’t be respecting the fact that not all memory sticks. It’s completely natural to sometimes forget an answer or not. As I mentioned before, memory orbs are definitely Riley’s in the sense that her underlying (subconscious is what I want to say, maybe cognitive?) thought process controls when and how they’re created and whether they stick around. The emotions and the mind workers just work around that. And even though the emotions want the best for Riley, not using memory orbs disrespects what riley subconsciously values, even if she consciously would want one thing or another.
*** It's kinda tricky to muddle through, but perhaps this is something YOU should right a story about. How they have been cheating this whole time and we just didn't know it.
** The interesting thing about this is that it’s an intersection of epistemology (study of knowledge and belief), ethics (right action), and metaphysics (how we understand the world). Now what you seem to be drilling at with your question is that given the metaphysics of the Inside Out universe, why is the epistemology of the human mind set up the way it is? And more to the point, what kind of ethics would prevent the emotions from acting in a certain way?
***For the simple answer, how do you know they haven’t been doing this before? Haven’t you had a few tests where an answer just “came to you” when you needed it?
*** But to try and tangle with an assumption that the emotions don’t use the intercom for general interactions, that takes a bit more thought. And truthfully, this is what happens when a film universe starts getting probed for the underlying assumptions about their work. Suddenly holes in logic start popping up because they weren’t included in the filmmaking process. Especially for something as mysterious as a human mind (even whether it exists in some circles). But, I will try to think through this in the best way I can.
*** To begin with, remember that the primary reason Riley thought that she was cheating on her test was because she believed that she should be doing it on her own rather than having the emotions feed it to her all the time. That before the intercom broke, she just thought she was working through things on her own. Simple personal responsibility. But as you pointed out, Emotions try to feed Riley memories all the time through recalling things through the mind’s eye. But what I think is the key difference between giving information through Fear’s notes and giving information through memory orbs comes down to a question of what “is” riley’s and what’s her emotions.
*** As established in the film, the emotions aren’t exactly riley. Riley doesn’t exactly like/play the accordian, but Joy does. Doesn’t really like wrestling but Anger does. Could probably find certain bad dreams more terrifying while Fear is just bored by them. As Riley insisted, she’s not her emotions. Which then brings me to the distinction that I see as the main difference between using orbs and using paper. You see, the difference is that the paper is used by fear to take notes about the day. And while it was generated by part of Riley’s mind, that paper isn’t really meant to be used by Riley. It’s like the difference between what’s shared with the public, and what’s used by an intelligence committee.
*** But the Memory orbs? Those are always Riley’s. The emotions set the color for what they are, but only Riley (subconsciously) decides where 1 memory starts and another stops. Or whether that memory is now part of her personality. So even though Fear’s notepad could be used as a memory recall method through using an intercom, it’s considered cheating because that paper isn’t really Riley’s. The memory orbs are what’s hers. Getting memory outside of that? That’s cheating.
*** Besides, that’s not even getting into other more simple answers to why this sort of thing hasn’t happened. Like Emotions not remembering the test stuff, or not finding the test valuable enough to even think about recording or personally remembering. Or that they kept trying to recall information from the orbs, and say fear’s panic, anger’s frustration or sadness’s despair didn’t have them thinking of working outside the box in that way.
*** And that’s not even getting into the main reason why Riley was unique in even exploring this option: most emotions don’t bother to talk with their person. This could be for a variety of reasons (as I theorized above), but to keep it short, perhaps the emotions just aren’t interested in risking their person thinking themselves crazy just to get ahead on 1 test. Or as Anger mentioned in chapter 2, “That intercom’s meant for small conscious-voice-talking only!” That emotions on a normal basis aren’t interested in distracting their person with their chatter about this or that, even if they could be helpful. Or for the fact that by directly feeding her information, they’re taking away Riley’s free will. And the emotions are guardians, not controllers. (at least, they try not to be) If they were to just keep feeding Riley information without using the memory orbs, then they wouldn’t be respecting the fact that not all memory sticks. It’s completely natural to sometimes forget an answer or not. As I mentioned before, memory orbs are definitely Riley’s in the sense that her underlying (subconscious is what I want to say, maybe cognitive?) thought process controls when and how they’re created and whether they stick around. The emotions and the mind workers just work around that. And even though the emotions want the best for Riley, not using memory orbs disrespects what riley subconsciously values, even if she consciously would want one thing or another.
*** It's kinda tricky to muddle through, but perhaps this is something YOU should right a story about. How they have been cheating this whole time and we just didn't know it.
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* This isn't specifically an Intercom question, but it still counts given what happens over the course of the nights. So normally, Riley's memories are in the spheres that she produces from emotional reactions in her life. It seems like she needs the emotions help to remember things on a normal basis. (soul memories aside) However, there seems to be some indication that Riley is capable of remembering her dreams before she started Lucid dreaming. For example, she mentioned a time where a dream about her parents in her room helped her for the day beforehand. But if the emotions are just watching the show for the most part, how is Riley able to remember her dreams exactly?
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* This isn't specifically an Intercom question, but it still counts given what happens over the course of the nights. So normally, Riley's memories are in the spheres that she produces from emotional reactions in her life. It seems like she needs the emotions help to remember things on a normal basis. (soul memories aside) However, there seems to be some indication that Riley is capable of remembering her dreams before she started Lucid dreaming. For example, she mentioned a time where a dream about her parents in her room helped her for the day beforehand. But if the emotions are just watching the show for the most part, how is Riley able to remember her dreams exactly?exactly?
* Why isn't it a common practice for emotions to help their hosts with tests? Emotions already help with traditional memories. Is it really normal for one's own emotions to see them stressing out over a test, and decide not to help them in the best way they can? They wouldn't have to reveal their existence (though putting their own desire for secrecy over their host's worries would be questionable anyway); they could speak on the intercom (it's there for a reason) without identifying themselves.
** Before you say "because it would be cheating", note the following:
*** It's controversial whether or not that actually ''is'' cheating. I, for instance, strongly believe it's not, as I explained in depth [[http://bit.ly/1NLo03c in my review for chapter 10]].
*** Some people, and by extension their emotions as well, don't think cheating on a test is dishonest, or do but don't care. The only thing potentially stopping these people from cheating is the risk of getting caught, a risk that doesn't exist here.
*** If this happened often, it would probably just be considered a normal function of the mind rather than cheating.
* Why isn't it a common practice for emotions to help their hosts with tests? Emotions already help with traditional memories. Is it really normal for one's own emotions to see them stressing out over a test, and decide not to help them in the best way they can? They wouldn't have to reveal their existence (though putting their own desire for secrecy over their host's worries would be questionable anyway); they could speak on the intercom (it's there for a reason) without identifying themselves.
** Before you say "because it would be cheating", note the following:
*** It's controversial whether or not that actually ''is'' cheating. I, for instance, strongly believe it's not, as I explained in depth [[http://bit.ly/1NLo03c in my review for chapter 10]].
*** Some people, and by extension their emotions as well, don't think cheating on a test is dishonest, or do but don't care. The only thing potentially stopping these people from cheating is the risk of getting caught, a risk that doesn't exist here.
*** If this happened often, it would probably just be considered a normal function of the mind rather than cheating.
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** Regardless of whether she knows why the drawings are important or not, it's the only really irregular thing in Riley's room. Even when you're not sure why something makes you feel mixed, it's the only clue they have for why their daughter has started being so snippy and quiet and hearing voices. Like a game of pictionary, those drawings might be the only hint they have for what's going on in Riley's head. (Which in this case is literally true) So of course she'd call over Bill to look.
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** Regardless of whether she knows why the drawings are important or not, it's the only really irregular thing in Riley's room. Even when you're not sure why something makes you feel mixed, it's the only clue they have for why their daughter has started being so snippy and quiet and hearing voices. Like a game of pictionary, those drawings might be the only hint they have for what's going on in Riley's head. (Which in this case is literally true) So of course she'd call over Bill to look.look.
* This isn't specifically an Intercom question, but it still counts given what happens over the course of the nights. So normally, Riley's memories are in the spheres that she produces from emotional reactions in her life. It seems like she needs the emotions help to remember things on a normal basis. (soul memories aside) However, there seems to be some indication that Riley is capable of remembering her dreams before she started Lucid dreaming. For example, she mentioned a time where a dream about her parents in her room helped her for the day beforehand. But if the emotions are just watching the show for the most part, how is Riley able to remember her dreams exactly?
* This isn't specifically an Intercom question, but it still counts given what happens over the course of the nights. So normally, Riley's memories are in the spheres that she produces from emotional reactions in her life. It seems like she needs the emotions help to remember things on a normal basis. (soul memories aside) However, there seems to be some indication that Riley is capable of remembering her dreams before she started Lucid dreaming. For example, she mentioned a time where a dream about her parents in her room helped her for the day beforehand. But if the emotions are just watching the show for the most part, how is Riley able to remember her dreams exactly?
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I don't think "lucid dreaming visits" are themselves a cause for concern.
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*** Because the power of using the mind world was abused. As stated in the manuals, things like lucid dreaming visits, consciousness tampering, or psychotic breaks are very real fears in the modern era. Perhaps when humans who did have emotion conversations began abusing their powers, thus hurting themselves, the emotions in other people decided to have a collective memory purge so that humans wouldn't destroy themselves on their behalf. I mean, think about it. If you had a chance to live in a world where you could do so much on your own, why live in the cruel world of farming, disease, and helplessness?
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*** Because the power of using the mind world was abused. As stated in the manuals, things like lucid dreaming visits, consciousness tampering, or tampering and psychotic breaks are very real fears in the modern era. Perhaps when humans who did have emotion conversations began abusing their powers, thus hurting themselves, the emotions in other people decided to have a collective memory purge so that humans wouldn't destroy themselves on their behalf. I mean, think about it. If you had a chance to live in a world where you could do so much on your own, why live in the cruel world of farming, disease, and helplessness?
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* The author clarified the scene where Jill reacts to seeing Riley's drawings by making it clear that she doesn't know why she feels uneasy about them. This was after a reviewer pointed out that there's really no reason for her to think the drawings are significant in any way—she doesn't know enough about the drawings herself to realize they are, but her emotions do, and that's where her sense of unease comes from. However, it's not clear why she decides to have Bill look at them as well. I can see her taking a closer look at the drawings, curious about the strange feeling they give her. But after that, I can really only see her dismissing the drawings as irrelevant and looking elsewhere. I guess she could just be showing Bill in case he's interested in seeing Riley's artwork, but the way she asks seems as if she's presenting it as a cause for concern.
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* The author clarified the scene where Jill reacts to seeing Riley's drawings by making it clear that she doesn't know why she feels uneasy about them. This was after a reviewer pointed out that there's really no reason for her to think the drawings are significant in any way—she doesn't know enough about the drawings herself to realize they are, but her emotions do, and that's where her sense of unease comes from. However, it's not clear why she decides to have Bill look at them as well. I can see her taking a closer look at the drawings, curious about the strange feeling they give her. But after that, I can really only see her dismissing the drawings as irrelevant and looking elsewhere. I guess she could just be showing Bill in case he's interested in seeing Riley's artwork, but the way she asks seems as if she's presenting it as a cause for concern.concern.
** Regardless of whether she knows why the drawings are important or not, it's the only really irregular thing in Riley's room. Even when you're not sure why something makes you feel mixed, it's the only clue they have for why their daughter has started being so snippy and quiet and hearing voices. Like a game of pictionary, those drawings might be the only hint they have for what's going on in Riley's head. (Which in this case is literally true) So of course she'd call over Bill to look.
** Regardless of whether she knows why the drawings are important or not, it's the only really irregular thing in Riley's room. Even when you're not sure why something makes you feel mixed, it's the only clue they have for why their daughter has started being so snippy and quiet and hearing voices. Like a game of pictionary, those drawings might be the only hint they have for what's going on in Riley's head. (Which in this case is literally true) So of course she'd call over Bill to look.
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** Author here... I totally understand your confusion, and looking back I probably should have put that out a bit better... Admittedly I was going to put a point where she did read the manuals at one point right before she left (and looking back I probably should have done that)... but don't you worry, it's all gonna come into play. Besides, who says that what we've seen so far is ''all'' of her Plan A?
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** Author here... I totally understand your confusion, and looking back I probably should have put that out a bit better... Admittedly I was going to put a point where she did read the manuals at one point right before she left (and looking back I probably should have done that)... but don't you worry, it's all gonna come into play. Besides, who says that what we've seen so far is ''all'' of her Plan A?A?
* The author clarified the scene where Jill reacts to seeing Riley's drawings by making it clear that she doesn't know why she feels uneasy about them. This was after a reviewer pointed out that there's really no reason for her to think the drawings are significant in any way—she doesn't know enough about the drawings herself to realize they are, but her emotions do, and that's where her sense of unease comes from. However, it's not clear why she decides to have Bill look at them as well. I can see her taking a closer look at the drawings, curious about the strange feeling they give her. But after that, I can really only see her dismissing the drawings as irrelevant and looking elsewhere. I guess she could just be showing Bill in case he's interested in seeing Riley's artwork, but the way she asks seems as if she's presenting it as a cause for concern.
* The author clarified the scene where Jill reacts to seeing Riley's drawings by making it clear that she doesn't know why she feels uneasy about them. This was after a reviewer pointed out that there's really no reason for her to think the drawings are significant in any way—she doesn't know enough about the drawings herself to realize they are, but her emotions do, and that's where her sense of unease comes from. However, it's not clear why she decides to have Bill look at them as well. I can see her taking a closer look at the drawings, curious about the strange feeling they give her. But after that, I can really only see her dismissing the drawings as irrelevant and looking elsewhere. I guess she could just be showing Bill in case he's interested in seeing Riley's artwork, but the way she asks seems as if she's presenting it as a cause for concern.
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** Author here... I totally understand your confusion, and looking back I probably should have put that out a bit better... Admittedly I was going to put a point where she did read the manuals at one point right before she left (and looking back I probably should have done that)... but who says that what we've seen so far is ''all'' her Plan A?
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** Author here... I totally understand your confusion, and looking back I probably should have put that out a bit better... Admittedly I was going to put a point where she did read the manuals at one point right before she left (and looking back I probably should have done that)... but don't you worry, it's all gonna come into play. Besides, who says that what we've seen so far is ''all'' of her Plan A?
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* Riley's plans involved using information from the manuals, right? She did look at some of the titles of the manuals, one of which was actually used by the emotions when they were trying to figure out what's going on. But nowhere did it say she actually saw the ''contents'' of any of the manuals. And besides, that was back in chapter 7, before she was even considering making any secret plans. This is especially confusing because one of the "scarier" parts of the manuals that Fear mentioned dealt with "hijacking the console". This can easily describe Riley's plan A; it's probably what Fear meant by it. And yet she didn't use the manuals. Why all the buildup about Riley needing information from the manuals if she didn't actually use it for plan A, ''and'' what she did was something that was specifically mentioned as a particularly interesting part of the manuals?
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* Riley's plans involved using information from the manuals, right? She did look at some of the titles of the manuals, one of which was actually used by the emotions when they were trying to figure out what's going on. But nowhere did it say she actually saw the ''contents'' of any of the manuals. And besides, that was back in chapter 7, before she was even considering making any secret plans. This is especially confusing because one of the "scarier" parts of the manuals that Fear mentioned dealt with "hijacking the console". This can easily describe Riley's plan A; it's probably what Fear meant by it. And yet she didn't use the manuals. Why all the buildup about Riley needing information from the manuals if she didn't actually use it for plan A, ''and'' what she did was something that was specifically mentioned as a particularly interesting part of the manuals?manuals?
** Author here... I totally understand your confusion, and looking back I probably should have put that out a bit better... Admittedly I was going to put a point where she did read the manuals at one point right before she left (and looking back I probably should have done that)... but who says that what we've seen so far is ''all'' her Plan A?
** Author here... I totally understand your confusion, and looking back I probably should have put that out a bit better... Admittedly I was going to put a point where she did read the manuals at one point right before she left (and looking back I probably should have done that)... but who says that what we've seen so far is ''all'' her Plan A?
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* Riley's plans involved using information from the manuals, right? She did look at some of the titles of the manuals, one of which was actually used by the emotions when they were trying to figure out what's going on. But nowhere did it say she actually saw the ''contents'' of any of the manuals. And besides, that was back in chapter 7, before she was even considering making any secret plans. This is especially confusing because one of the "scarier" parts of the manuals that Fear mentioned dealt with "hijacking the console", probably referring to exactly what Riley did. And yet she didn't use the manuals. Why all the buildup about Riley needing information from the manuals if she didn't actually use it for plan A, ''and'' what she did was something that was specifically mentioned as a particularly interesting part of the manuals?
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* Riley's plans involved using information from the manuals, right? She did look at some of the titles of the manuals, one of which was actually used by the emotions when they were trying to figure out what's going on. But nowhere did it say she actually saw the ''contents'' of any of the manuals. And besides, that was back in chapter 7, before she was even considering making any secret plans. This is especially confusing because one of the "scarier" parts of the manuals that Fear mentioned dealt with "hijacking the console", console". This can easily describe Riley's plan A; it's probably referring to exactly what Riley did.Fear meant by it. And yet she didn't use the manuals. Why all the buildup about Riley needing information from the manuals if she didn't actually use it for plan A, ''and'' what she did was something that was specifically mentioned as a particularly interesting part of the manuals?
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*** Honestly (Pun again!), this headscratcher is never going to come to a definitive answer. And that's because its value ultimately comes down to how much you believe you should always tell the truth. Would you lie to law enforcement about having something morally questionable but illegal? Well, would Fear win out on that call? Would Anger? Would Sadness? You can't really know how to come down on that without endless debates about being truthful, illegality vs immorality and so forth. So sure, you could say that it's ok to lie there, but there would just as easily be others who say, "No! You must testify to the reality of a situation, no matter how much it might hurt you to say so." Is lying about an uncomfortable truth ok? Maybe, but again, what is the value of "uncomfortable"? If you were a military commander, and you had to tell your superior that you were refusing to massacre a village, even though you know others might be sent in to do so, and you'd be court martialed for refusing, but is is Right to be honest and refuse to do so anyways? If you had to speak truth to others on a topic such as...evangelizing on what you believe and you had someone who didn't believe you, would that force you to be silent even if they said they would never believe anything you said? Ultimately, we can go back and forth on the value of honesty, but we'll never reach a final conclusion that all people (or all emotions) agree on. And in the end, it's up to Potter Phantom Kitten to give her own interpretation to it too. There's bound to be disagreements down the line regardless of what's chosen, but it is one of those things that we're never going to fully get down to a definitive answer. No matter how we try.
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*** Honestly (Pun again!), this headscratcher is never going to come to a definitive answer. And that's because its value ultimately comes down to how much you believe you should always tell the truth. Would you lie to law enforcement about having something morally questionable but illegal? Well, would Fear win out on that call? Would Anger? Would Sadness? You can't really know how to come down on that without endless debates about being truthful, illegality vs immorality and so forth. So sure, you could say that it's ok to lie there, but there would just as easily be others who say, "No! You must testify to the reality of a situation, no matter how much it might hurt you to say so." Is lying about an uncomfortable truth ok? Maybe, but again, what is the value of "uncomfortable"? If you were a military commander, and you had to tell your superior that you were refusing to massacre a village, even though you know others might be sent in to do so, and you'd be court martialed for refusing, but is is Right to be honest and refuse to do so anyways? If you had to speak truth to others on a topic such as...evangelizing on what you believe and you had someone who didn't believe you, would that force you to be silent even if they said they would never believe anything you said? Ultimately, we can go back and forth on the value of honesty, but we'll never reach a final conclusion that all people (or all emotions) agree on. And in the end, it's up to Potter Phantom Kitten to give her own interpretation to it too. There's bound to be disagreements down the line regardless of what's chosen, but it is one of those things that we're never going to fully get down to a definitive answer. No matter how we try.try.
* Riley's plans involved using information from the manuals, right? She did look at some of the titles of the manuals, one of which was actually used by the emotions when they were trying to figure out what's going on. But nowhere did it say she actually saw the ''contents'' of any of the manuals. And besides, that was back in chapter 7, before she was even considering making any secret plans. This is especially confusing because one of the "scarier" parts of the manuals that Fear mentioned dealt with "hijacking the console", probably referring to exactly what Riley did. And yet she didn't use the manuals. Why all the buildup about Riley needing information from the manuals if she didn't actually use it for plan A, ''and'' what she did was something that was specifically mentioned as a particularly interesting part of the manuals?
* Riley's plans involved using information from the manuals, right? She did look at some of the titles of the manuals, one of which was actually used by the emotions when they were trying to figure out what's going on. But nowhere did it say she actually saw the ''contents'' of any of the manuals. And besides, that was back in chapter 7, before she was even considering making any secret plans. This is especially confusing because one of the "scarier" parts of the manuals that Fear mentioned dealt with "hijacking the console", probably referring to exactly what Riley did. And yet she didn't use the manuals. Why all the buildup about Riley needing information from the manuals if she didn't actually use it for plan A, ''and'' what she did was something that was specifically mentioned as a particularly interesting part of the manuals?
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***** [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn't think about that]]... maybe then the other parts of the Mind World just kind of operate on a TimeyWimeyBall and it depends.
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*** Honestly (Pun again!), this headscratcher is never going to come to a definitive answer. And that's because its value ultimately comes down to how much you believe you should always tell the truth. Would you lie to law enforcement about having something morally questionable but illegal? Well, would Fear win out on that call? Would Anger? Would Sadness? You can't really know how to come down on that without endless debates about being truthful, illegality vs immorality and so forth. So sure, you could say that it's ok to lie there, but there would just as easily be others who say, "No! You must testify to the reality of a situation, no matter how much it might hurt you to say so." Is lying about an uncomfortable truth ok? Maybe, but again, what is the value of "uncomfortable"? If you were a military commander, and you had to tell your superior that you were refusing to massacre a village, even though you know others might be sent in to do so, and you'd be court martialed for refusing, but is is Right to be honest and refuse to do so anyways? If you had to speak truth to others on a topic such as...evangelizing on what you believe and you had someone who didn't believe you, would that force you to be silent even if they said they would never believe anything you said? Ultimately, we can go back and forth on the value of honesty, but we'll never reach a final conclusion that all people (or all emotions) agree on. And in the end, it's up to Potter Phantom Kitten to give her own interpretation to it too. There's bound to be disagreements down the line regardless of what's chosen, but it is one of those things that we're never going to fully get down to a definitive answer. No matter how we try.
* All right, I'll be the one to ask: '''''where is chapter 17?''''' (I'll remove this when it's out.)
* All right, I'll be the one to ask: '''''where is chapter 17?''''' (I'll remove this when it's out.)
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*** Honestly (Pun again!), this headscratcher is never going to come to a definitive answer. And that's because its value ultimately comes down to how much you believe you should always tell the truth. Would you lie to law enforcement about having something morally questionable but illegal? Well, would Fear win out on that call? Would Anger? Would Sadness? You can't really know how to come down on that without endless debates about being truthful, illegality vs immorality and so forth. So sure, you could say that it's ok to lie there, but there would just as easily be others who say, "No! You must testify to the reality of a situation, no matter how much it might hurt you to say so." Is lying about an uncomfortable truth ok? Maybe, but again, what is the value of "uncomfortable"? If you were a military commander, and you had to tell your superior that you were refusing to massacre a village, even though you know others might be sent in to do so, and you'd be court martialed for refusing, but is is Right to be honest and refuse to do so anyways? If you had to speak truth to others on a topic such as...evangelizing on what you believe and you had someone who didn't believe you, would that force you to be silent even if they said they would never believe anything you said? Ultimately, we can go back and forth on the value of honesty, but we'll never reach a final conclusion that all people (or all emotions) agree on. And in the end, it's up to Potter Phantom Kitten to give her own interpretation to it too. There's bound to be disagreements down the line regardless of what's chosen, but it is one of those things that we're never going to fully get down to a definitive answer. No matter how we try.
* All right, I'll be the one to ask: '''''where is chapter 17?''''' (I'll remove this when it's out.)try.
* All right, I'll be the one to ask: '''''where is chapter 17?''''' (I'll remove this when it's out.)
