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* Did Dicker assign Kari a new job like Tony?
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** I think it's because with the sudden defunding and shut down of the super relocation program, those that made the laws did not take into account that heros can go rogue and didn't think that prisons would be needed. Like Dicker said, the politicians didn't understand the importance of the program, and if DEVTECH didn't step in with its plan to bring supers back into the good graces of society, it could have been a matter of weeks before supers started to go 'rogue' and with no SRP to compress incidents and relocate, superheroes would have been out in the open again, with mixed results. There is the possibility that left unchecked, the government might have started to fund a 'capture and depower' program instead.

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** I think it's because with the sudden defunding and shut down of the super relocation program, those that made the laws did not take into account that heros heroes can go rogue and didn't think that prisons would be needed. Like Dicker said, the politicians didn't understand the importance of the program, and if DEVTECH didn't step in with its plan to bring supers back into the good graces of society, it could have been a matter of weeks before supers started to go 'rogue' and with no SRP to compress incidents and relocate, superheroes would have been out in the open again, with mixed results. There is the possibility that left unchecked, the government might have started to fund a 'capture and depower' program instead.



** "You want superheros to protect you and make yourselves ever more powerless in the process." Even with superheros underground, people still have learned helplessness

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** "You want superheros superheroes to protect you and make yourselves ever more powerless in the process." Even with superheros superheroes underground, people still have learned helplessness



** Sadly, in order for Evelyn's plan to work, she doesn't have to fool everyone, she only has to fool enough people to derail the superhero legalization process. Are Mr. Incredible, Elasti-Girl and Frozone wearing weird goggles and speaking in a monotone... yes. But if Evelyn's plan succeeded as planned, a giant yacht would have slammed into the city causing mass destruction and killing those aboard... the politicians and the other superheros.\\

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** Sadly, in order for Evelyn's plan to work, she doesn't have to fool everyone, she only has to fool enough people to derail the superhero legalization process. Are Mr. Incredible, Elasti-Girl Elastigirl and Frozone wearing weird goggles and speaking in a monotone... yes. But if Evelyn's plan succeeded as planned, a giant yacht would have slammed into the city causing mass destruction and killing those aboard... the politicians and the other superheros.superheroes.\\



Sure, some will point out the likelihood that Mr. Incredible, Elasti-Girl and Frozone were hypnotized but that can be countered by anti-supers claiming the other dozen or so other supers on the ship couldn't have all been hypnotized at the same time and will use that approach to justify that all supers were actually in agreement with the "humans are idiots" belief.\\

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Sure, some will point out the likelihood that Mr. Incredible, Elasti-Girl Elastigirl and Frozone were hypnotized but that can be countered by anti-supers claiming the other dozen or so other supers on the ship couldn't have all been hypnotized at the same time and will use that approach to justify that all supers were actually in agreement with the "humans are idiots" belief.\\



* Why is she being so smug? She's just been exposed, and even if she beats Elastagirl and escapes, there's absolutely no guarantee that superheroes won't be able to stop the ship, and then she's screwed. She's not a supervillain with her own remote island base and an army of mooks (as far as we know) - she has nowhere to run and nowhere to land that plane where the police won't be waiting for her. In fact it would be the perfect moment to surrender and throw herself at Elastagirl's mercy, and instead she tries to murder her?!

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* Why is she being so smug? She's just been exposed, and even if she beats Elastagirl and escapes, there's absolutely no guarantee that superheroes won't be able to stop the ship, and then she's screwed. She's not a supervillain with her own remote island base and an army of mooks (as far as we know) - she has nowhere to run and nowhere to land that plane where the police won't be waiting for her. In fact it would be the perfect moment to surrender and throw herself at Elastagirl's Elastigirl's mercy, and instead she tries to murder her?!
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** Its also very firmly implied the answer is yes. Gamma Jack, one of the heroes Syndrome killed off, is noted in supplemental material to have been under government observation before the ban on Superheroes was put in place. The combination of an extreme ego, the nature of his powers, and his opinion opinion that supers were better then normal people had the govenrment worried he'd turn villain kn them.

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** Its also very firmly implied the answer is yes. Gamma Jack, one of the heroes Syndrome killed off, is noted in supplemental material to have been under government observation before the ban on Superheroes was put in place. The combination of an extreme ego, the nature of his powers, and his opinion open opinion that supers were better then normal people had the govenrment worried he'd turn villain kn on them.
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** Its also very firmly implied the answer is yes. Gamma Jack, one of the heroes Syndrome killed off, is noted in supplemental material to have been under government observation before the ban on Superheroes was put in place. The combination of an extreme ego, the nature of his powers, and his opinion opinion that supers were better then normal people had the govenrment worried he'd turn villain kn them.
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*** Slight nitpick: he ''was'' hunting Frozone, that's how he found Mr. Incredible and immediately switched targets. And Elastigirl did have a Kronos entry, they just hadn't found her yet.
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* Evelyn's whole goal is to make the general public believe that superhumans [[FantasticRacism think regular people are idiots]] while they are a "superior" race, turning opinion against them. She has the mind-controlled Bob, Helen, and Lucius deliver a widely-broadcast speech about that subject on the deck of the yacht. The issue, though, is that all three heroes are speaking in a CreepyMonotone that practically ''screams'' "I've been hypnotized" while wearing goggles that have never been part of their uniforms before--goggles that look very similar to Screenslaver's, who has also been making public speeches. Furthermore, Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl, and Frozone were popular heroes in their day who have never hinted at any sort of disdain or frustration with the populace (barring Mr. Incredible's joking speech in the interview clips at the beginning of the first movie--"Sometimes I feel like the maid!"--but that's clearly done in good fun). And to top it all off, Screenslaver--a villain whose ''entire shtick'' is mind-control--is a well-known person at this point, so everyday people would be keenly aware that someone with hypnotic powers is on the loose. As such, it seems [[IncrediblyLamePun incredibly]] unlikely that anyone watching the big speech would think "Wow, supers hate us, so let's hate them, too," because the evidence of Bob, Helen, and Lucius being brainwashed is so blatant. The only possible explanation I can think of is that Evelyn herself thinks the general public are morons who would easily fall for the trick, but that's not entirely satisfying...

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* Evelyn's whole goal is to make the general public believe that superhumans [[FantasticRacism think regular people are idiots]] while they are a "superior" race, turning opinion against them. She has the mind-controlled Bob, Helen, and Lucius deliver a widely-broadcast speech about that subject on the deck of the yacht. The issue, though, is that all three heroes are speaking in a CreepyMonotone that practically ''screams'' "I've been hypnotized" while wearing goggles that have never been part of their uniforms before--goggles that look very similar to Screenslaver's, who has also been making public speeches. Furthermore, Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl, and Frozone were popular heroes in their day who have never hinted at any sort of disdain or frustration with the populace (barring Mr. Incredible's joking speech in the interview clips at the beginning of the first movie--"Sometimes I feel like the maid!"--but that's clearly done in good fun). And to top it all off, Screenslaver--a villain whose ''entire shtick'' is mind-control--is a well-known person at this point, so everyday people would be keenly aware that someone with hypnotic powers is on the loose. As such, it seems [[IncrediblyLamePun [[{{Pun}} incredibly]] unlikely that anyone watching the big speech would think "Wow, supers hate us, so let's hate them, too," because the evidence of Bob, Helen, and Lucius being brainwashed is so blatant. The only possible explanation I can think of is that Evelyn herself thinks the general public are morons who would easily fall for the trick, but that's not entirely satisfying...
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** Besides the above, an ([[RefugeInAudacity admittedly brazen]]) argument could be made that if the superheroes allowed themselves to be hypnotized, then they're a threat regardless of what they conciously feel. Who's to say another Screenslaver won't use them to actually take over the world instead of simply making a point? There's only one way to [[FinalSolution eliminate the threat for sure...]] As above, the argument doesn't need to be airtight - it needs to be just convincing enough to sow the seeds of doubt in people.

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