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**** 1. Why does it always have to be about sex? Isn't it possible to fall in love without even thinking about sex now a days? From what I see, neither Yuta or Shinobu are scumbags, or perverts, or anything. There is a difference between love and lust. When they look at Hagu and admire her, they are wowed by her personality and skills, and their love for her is in wanting her to be happy. Maybe you think they look at her and think "I wanna get with that" but that's not what the author was trying to portray. 2. She really didn't act that childish. Actually, she acted just as mature (or not so mature) as some of her class mates. Take Shinobu for instance. Definite man child. Many of the characters are acknowledged to still be kids. Even the professor acts childish sometimes. And you know, that's common for anime. Take just about any comedy anime and there will be at least one childish character, and yet it isn't thought of as wrong or squick for them to engage in a relationship. And it is somewhat truth in television. It isn't as extreme in real life, but there are plenty of people that still have the heart of a child and are still mature. There is a difference between having the heart of a child, and having the mind of a child. Maturity isn't always about being serious all of the time, sometimes it isn't about where you're at, but where you're going. People never really stop growing up. Out of all the characters, Hagu seems to be the one to understand that the most.

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**** 1. Why does it always have to be about sex? Isn't it possible to fall in love without even thinking about sex now a days? From what I see, neither Yuta or Shinobu are scumbags, or perverts, or anything. There is a difference between love and lust. When they look at Hagu and admire her, they are wowed by her personality and skills, and their love for her is in wanting her to be happy. Maybe you think they look at her and think "I wanna get with that" but that's not what the author was trying to portray. 2. She really didn't act that childish. Actually, she acted just as mature (or not so mature) as some of her class mates. Take Shinobu for instance. Definite man child. Many of the characters are acknowledged to still be kids. Even the professor acts childish sometimes. And you know, that's common for anime. Take just about any comedy anime and there will be at least one childish character, and yet it isn't thought of as wrong or squick for them to engage in a relationship. And it is somewhat truth in television. It isn't as extreme in real life, but there are plenty of people that still have the heart of a child and are still mature. There is a difference between having the heart of a child, and having the mind of a child. Maturity isn't always about being serious all of the time, sometimes it isn't about where you're at, but where you're going. People never really stop growing up. Out of all the characters, Hagu seems to be the one to understand that the most.most.
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** Another problem is that you can't get on the Shinkansen tracks without a ticket. Did [[spoiler:Hagumi]] buy one just to say goodbye?

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** Another problem is that you can't get on the Shinkansen tracks platform without a ticket. Did [[spoiler:Hagumi]] buy one just to say goodbye?
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*** Ooh, a twenty-years old that looks like a SEVEN-years old (Ayu and Takemoto thought her recent picture was from a Shichi-go-san). HOT. Actually, if they never acknowledge that she looks like a seven-years old in-universe then I'm fine with "Hagu as a symbol of pure innocence". As it were it's still disturbing, when you add the fact that she ACTS like a child too. But hey, if people still wanna tap that then YMMV.

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*** Ooh, a twenty-years old that looks like a SEVEN-years old (Ayu and Takemoto thought her recent picture was from a Shichi-go-san). HOT. Actually, if they never acknowledge that she looks like a seven-years old in-universe then I'm fine with "Hagu as a symbol of pure innocence". As it were it's still disturbing, when you add the fact that she ACTS like a child too. But hey, if people still wanna tap that then YMMV.YMMV.
**** 1. Why does it always have to be about sex? Isn't it possible to fall in love without even thinking about sex now a days? From what I see, neither Yuta or Shinobu are scumbags, or perverts, or anything. There is a difference between love and lust. When they look at Hagu and admire her, they are wowed by her personality and skills, and their love for her is in wanting her to be happy. Maybe you think they look at her and think "I wanna get with that" but that's not what the author was trying to portray. 2. She really didn't act that childish. Actually, she acted just as mature (or not so mature) as some of her class mates. Take Shinobu for instance. Definite man child. Many of the characters are acknowledged to still be kids. Even the professor acts childish sometimes. And you know, that's common for anime. Take just about any comedy anime and there will be at least one childish character, and yet it isn't thought of as wrong or squick for them to engage in a relationship. And it is somewhat truth in television. It isn't as extreme in real life, but there are plenty of people that still have the heart of a child and are still mature. There is a difference between having the heart of a child, and having the mind of a child. Maturity isn't always about being serious all of the time, sometimes it isn't about where you're at, but where you're going. People never really stop growing up. Out of all the characters, Hagu seems to be the one to understand that the most.
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** They did throw a 'farewell dinner' for Takemoto; [[spoiler:Hagumi]] might request the others for a one-on-one goodbye.
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*** For a small fee, you can buy a Platform Ticket to get access to the tracks without boarding the train.
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*** So you are saying that very young-looking adults should not be allowed to have sex, because it would make their lovers pedophiles? That doesn't make sense.

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*** So you are saying that very young-looking adults should not be allowed to have sex, because it would make their lovers pedophiles? That doesn't make sense.sense.
*** Ooh, a twenty-years old that looks like a SEVEN-years old (Ayu and Takemoto thought her recent picture was from a Shichi-go-san). HOT. Actually, if they never acknowledge that she looks like a seven-years old in-universe then I'm fine with "Hagu as a symbol of pure innocence". As it were it's still disturbing, when you add the fact that she ACTS like a child too. But hey, if people still wanna tap that then YMMV.
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** But there are remarks in-universe how she looks physically like a child (Ayu and Takemoto's surprise when they saw her coming of age portrait, they thought it was from when she was 12 or something). So the fact that she actually looks like a child, and have guys falling for her, and a very much older relative in love with her is very much squicky.

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** But there are remarks in-universe how she looks physically like a child (Ayu and Takemoto's surprise when they saw her coming of age portrait, they thought it was from when she was 12 or something). So the fact that she actually looks like a child, and have guys falling for her, and a very much older relative in love with her is very much squicky.squicky.
*** So you are saying that very young-looking adults should not be allowed to have sex, because it would make their lovers pedophiles? That doesn't make sense.
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** I saw her as a symbol for youth, which is what everybody wants to hold on to, but has to say goodbye to eventually.

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** I saw her as a symbol for youth, which is what everybody wants to hold on to, but has to say goodbye to eventually.eventually.
** But there are remarks in-universe how she looks physically like a child (Ayu and Takemoto's surprise when they saw her coming of age portrait, they thought it was from when she was 12 or something). So the fact that she actually looks like a child, and have guys falling for her, and a very much older relative in love with her is very much squicky.
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* I don't mind somewhat childish characters, but was it really necessary to make Hagumi look like she has years to go before puberty? From the promotional art I thought she was some little girl tagging along with the cast, so [[{{squick}} when I read guys fell in love with her at first sight]]...

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* I don't mind somewhat childish characters, but was it really necessary to make Hagumi look like she has years to go before puberty? From the promotional art I thought she was some little girl tagging along with the cast, so [[{{squick}} when I read guys fell in love with her at first sight]]...sight]]...
** I saw her as a symbol for youth, which is what everybody wants to hold on to, but has to say goodbye to eventually.
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** Another problem is that you can't get on the Shinkansen tracks without a ticket. Did [[spoiler:Hagumi]] buy one just to say goodbye?
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*** ''All'' of them? A more straightforward explanation is, of course, that a one-on-one goodbye has more dramatic impact.

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*** ''All'' of them? A more straightforward explanation is, of course, that a one-on-one goodbye has more dramatic impact.impact.
* I don't mind somewhat childish characters, but was it really necessary to make Hagumi look like she has years to go before puberty? From the promotional art I thought she was some little girl tagging along with the cast, so [[{{squick}} when I read guys fell in love with her at first sight]]...
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*** The professors teach at a college, so they are surrounded by energetic young people every day. Why do they single him out?

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*** The professors teach at a college, so they are surrounded by energetic young people every day. Why do would they single him out?
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*** The professors teach at a college, so they are surrounded by energetic young people every day. Why do they single him out?



** They're probably working.

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** They're probably working.working.
*** ''All'' of them? A more straightforward explanation is, of course, that a one-on-one goodbye has more dramatic impact.

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* Why is [[spoiler:Hagumi]] the ''only'' person who sees Takemoto off at the train station? What happened to the rest of his friends?

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** It's a translation gaffe. They're praising his youth ("the springtime of life").
* Why is [[spoiler:Hagumi]] the ''only'' person who sees Takemoto off at the train station? What happened to the rest of his friends?friends?
** They're probably working.

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