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*** Hades and the Fates dont actually control the forces of death or destiny, but they can manipulate them, and Hades is in charge of the spirits of the dead. People will still die without him, but the spirits wont just go to the Underworld, and can just roam around now. The Sisters deaths dont really affect anything either, as they dont actually make things happen, they can simply decide what will happen because of their powers over time.
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*** When you first meet Hera she berates Kratos while bemoaning her dying garden saying "I'm doing everything I can to keep them alive." Sorta implying that Hera is the last thing keeping the remaining bit of non-fubar'd aspect of nature from going kaput.
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*** When you first meet Hera she berates Kratos while bemoaning her dying garden saying "I'm doing everything I can to keep them alive." Sorta implying that Hera is the last thing keeping the that remaining bit of non-fubar'd aspect of nature from going kaput.
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*** When you first meet Hera she berates Kratos while bemoaning her dying garden saying "I'm doing everything I can to keep them alive." Sorta implying that Hera is the last thing keeping the remaining bit of non-fubar'd aspect of nature from going kaput.
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** This sorta goes back to the original Greek myths. Gods had a lot of powers, but one thing they explicitly could ''not'' do was reverse something that had already happened. Like Orpheus, for example. He was blinded by Hera for siding with Zeus in a disagreement[[hottip:*:If you're curius, Zeus and Hera were debating who has more pleasure during sex. Hera said guys do, Zeus said women. They asked Tyresias, who had [[GenderBender been turned into a woman earlier in life]], and he said he had more fun as a woman.]]. Zeus (though it might've been Hera in a moment of remorse, I can't remember just at the moment) felt sorry for the guy but couldn't restore his sight, and so gave him the power of prophecy instead.\\\
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** This sorta goes back to the original Greek myths. Gods had a lot of powers, but one thing they explicitly could ''not'' do was reverse something that had already happened. Like Orpheus, for example. He was blinded by Hera for siding with Zeus in a disagreement[[hottip:*:If disagreement[[note]]If you're curius, Zeus and Hera were debating who has more pleasure during sex. Hera said guys do, Zeus said women. They asked Tyresias, who had [[GenderBender been turned into a woman earlier in life]], and he said he had more fun as a woman.]].[[/note]]. Zeus (though it might've been Hera in a moment of remorse, I can't remember just at the moment) felt sorry for the guy but couldn't restore his sight, and so gave him the power of prophecy instead.\\\
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* Why do none of the gods have the common sense to fly out of Kratos's reach and spam lightning bolts and stuff at him? Getting up close has proven to be tantamount to suicide. Also, speaking of flight, why couldn't Hermes fly when it's his entire shtick in Greek mythology?
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* Why do none of the gods have the common sense to fly out of Kratos's reach and spam lightning bolts and stuff at him? Getting up close has proven to be tantamount to suicide. Also, speaking of flight, why couldn't Hermes fly when it's his entire shtick in Greek mythology?mythology?
** Same reason this never happens in any other fantasy universe when a mortal fights a god. In the end, pure physical power and short-distance attacks are no match for a true deity. Unless you have another deity fighting him the god has to be reduced to fighting on the mortal's level. Why didn't the Fates simply snip Kratos' lifeline? Why didn't Zeus aid Poseidon? The third game had to ignore a lot of questions to work.
** Same reason this never happens in any other fantasy universe when a mortal fights a god. In the end, pure physical power and short-distance attacks are no match for a true deity. Unless you have another deity fighting him the god has to be reduced to fighting on the mortal's level. Why didn't the Fates simply snip Kratos' lifeline? Why didn't Zeus aid Poseidon? The third game had to ignore a lot of questions to work.
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** Maybe she's Genre Savvy enough, being a hunter and all, to know that going up against Kratos in person is just a bad idea. Admittedly, this is some WMG on my part.
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** Maybe she's Genre Savvy enough, being a hunter and all, to know that going up against Kratos in person is just a bad idea. Admittedly, this is some sort of WMG or just my mind trying to do some Fridge Brilliance on my part.
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**** Maybe she's Genre Savvy enough, being a hunter and all, to know that going up against Kratos in person is just a bad idea. Admittedly, this is some WMG on my part.
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****Maybe she's Genre Savvy enough, being a hunter and all, to know that going up against Kratos in person is just a bad idea. Admittedly, this is some WMG on my part.
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** Ironic Hell?
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** If I remember correctly, Kratos' past self has already been stabbed when Kratos travels back (he pulls the sword from his past self's body). Thus while he and Zeus fight his past self is going through the events that lead up to the fight. The only difference now is that Zeus didn't take the sword and leave, Kratos interrupted him.
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** He'd have to go to the Island and kill all those people so he could go back in time and save himself from Zeus. He's created a stable time loop.
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** He'd have to go to the Island and kill all those people so he could go back in time and save himself from Zeus. He's created a stable time loop.loop.
* Why do none of the gods have the common sense to fly out of Kratos's reach and spam lightning bolts and stuff at him? Getting up close has proven to be tantamount to suicide. Also, speaking of flight, why couldn't Hermes fly when it's his entire shtick in Greek mythology?
* Why do none of the gods have the common sense to fly out of Kratos's reach and spam lightning bolts and stuff at him? Getting up close has proven to be tantamount to suicide. Also, speaking of flight, why couldn't Hermes fly when it's his entire shtick in Greek mythology?
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***** In greek myth- so, not necessarily within the game's canon- Hades destroyed the titans' weapons at the start of the war with them, presumably before the point Kratos pulled them forward from. Perhaps without their weapons they cant manifest their powers to any extend that would be useful against the gods.
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** The Sisters of Fate claim that the only reason Kratos was able to reach them at all was because his antics amused them. This indicates that everything that happened in GoW2 was a sick game they were playing for their amusement. ([[NotSoDifferent ''not at all like the people actually playing the GoW2...'']]) ''Fate itself'' probably allowed the Last Spartan get that far just to mess around with Kratos.
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** The Sisters of Fate claim that the only reason Kratos was able to reach them at all was because his antics amused them. This indicates that everything that happened in GoW2 was a sick game they were playing for their amusement. ([[NotSoDifferent ''not at all like the people actually playing the GoW2...'']]) ''Fate itself'' probably allowed the Last Spartan get that far just to mess around with Kratos.
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**The Sisters of Fate claim that the only reason Kratos was able to reach them at all was because his antics amused them. This indicates that everything that happened in GoW2 was a sick game they were playing for their amusement. ([[NotSoDifferent ''not at all like the people actually playing the GoW2...'']]) ''Fate itself'' probably allowed the Last Spartan get that far just to mess around with Kratos.
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* If, in the end of ''2'', Kratos went [[TimeTravel back in time]] and [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong prevented his own murder at Zeus' hands]], this means that he never would have gone to the Temple of Fates. Even if we take that they are still dead, does this mean that Icarus, Theseus, Perseus, the Kraken, and Eurayle are alive? Kratos indicates that they aren't, but, chronologically, he has never gone there to kill them anymore.
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* If, in the end of ''2'', Kratos went [[TimeTravel back in time]] and [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong prevented his own murder at Zeus' hands]], this means that he never would have gone to the Temple of Fates. Even if we take that they are still dead, does this mean that Icarus, Theseus, Perseus, the Kraken, and Eurayle are alive? Kratos indicates that they aren't, but, chronologically, he has never gone there to kill them anymore.anymore.
** He'd have to go to the Island and kill all those people so he could go back in time and save himself from Zeus. He's created a stable time loop.
** He'd have to go to the Island and kill all those people so he could go back in time and save himself from Zeus. He's created a stable time loop.
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* So, is a sequel series actually planned, or more of a concept. All I've heard is rather unclear on the matter.
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** Kratos got the title of God of War by being awarded such a title by the gods of Olympus, as a reward for his service and because who better to be the God of War than the man who slew the previous?
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** Kratos got the title of God of War by being awarded such a title by the gods of Olympus, as a reward for his service and because who better to be the God of War than the man who slew the previous?previous?
* If, in the end of ''2'', Kratos went [[TimeTravel back in time]] and [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong prevented his own murder at Zeus' hands]], this means that he never would have gone to the Temple of Fates. Even if we take that they are still dead, does this mean that Icarus, Theseus, Perseus, the Kraken, and Eurayle are alive? Kratos indicates that they aren't, but, chronologically, he has never gone there to kill them anymore.
* If, in the end of ''2'', Kratos went [[TimeTravel back in time]] and [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong prevented his own murder at Zeus' hands]], this means that he never would have gone to the Temple of Fates. Even if we take that they are still dead, does this mean that Icarus, Theseus, Perseus, the Kraken, and Eurayle are alive? Kratos indicates that they aren't, but, chronologically, he has never gone there to kill them anymore.
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** On a related note: why doesn't Kratos, armed with the power to change time, go back and save his family? Had it really been so long that that he had forgotten about them? Did they just not matter? Plot hole?
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** Thanatos probably doesn't have the same flair for the dramatic Hades has. It's not like he gets that many visitors anyway.
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*** Depending from version to version. There's at least once where Artemis, jealous of Orion's skills, send a small scorpion to kill him (successfully), and another one where the scorpion was sent by Gaia (something about Orion swearing to kill all the monsters of the world).
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** Ok, aside from the fact that this kind of answers is exactly my reason why I sympatize with Kratos for butchering helpless mortals and ignoring them, this answer makes no sense: Persephone is dead by the end of ''Chains of Olympus'', which is cronologically the first game (second, now that ''Ascension'' is out), and the Underworld changes in the following games.
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** This bugs me too especially in GoW III where all the boses were gods, titans, and the most iconic greek hero...and then they throw a giant scorpion at you. They could have had Artemis pestering Kratos throughout the Labyrinth.
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** I the myths Apollo was the one who sent the scorpion to get rid of Orian and keep him away from Artamis.
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** Well at least in GoW2 most of those people are either demigods, heroes and special people of the Greek mythology (not counting Theseus since he acted as a guard). Such Perseus, a son of Zeus and champion of the Gods, and if you know your mythology very favoured by the Gods. Jason and his Argonauts, which were badass (although not that badass) warriors and just guessing they might also can be Spartans. Icarus, sure not much heroic about him but he could easily fly to the point you encounter him. The Last Spartan, well... he is a Spartan, and also to presume one of high status since he was in charge of Sparta's defences.
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** Well at least in GoW2 most of those people are either demigods, heroes and special people of the Greek mythology (not counting Theseus since he acted as a guard). Such Perseus, a son of Zeus and champion of the Gods, and if you know your mythology very favoured by the Gods. Jason and his Argonauts, which were badass (although not that badass) warriors and just guessing they might also can be Spartans. Icarus, sure not much heroic about him but he could easily fly to the point you encounter him. The Last Spartan, well... he is a Spartan, and also to presume one of high status since he was in charge of Sparta's defences.defenses.
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**Actually, the Gravedigger implies YouKillItYouBoughtIt. By killing Death, Kratos becomes Death (the destroyer of worlds). So the real question is why don't things die sooner?
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**** Chances are Lethe would wipe everything from Kratos rather than LaserGuidedAmnesia. The gods aren't likely to allow a useful pawn like Kratos to become a blank slate
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*** Food for thoughts: it isn't really clear that Ares was the one to curse Kratos with the ashes in that scene. In fact, it's probably wasn't Ares, but Athena. It was a village that worshipped her, a temple dedicated to her, and the old creepy hag was very probably a priestess of Athena. Heck, maybe it was Athena herself, Zeus did pull off the same trick with the gravedigger. Cast a new light on her characterization.
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***** [[spoiler: If you really want to get into it, that's more Zeus's fault than Hera's. The only reason she married him is because he tricked her into a rape pregnancy. She never ''wanted'' that marriage; he was her ''brother'' and the thought of it Squicked her. Hera was violent and hateful towards Zeus's transgressions, but it's a little more understandable given her circumstances.]]
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**** [[spoiler: An ''incompetent'' goddess of Marriage. Remember, Zeus was chronically unfaithful. 90+% of Zeus' children were born to women other than his wife.]]
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** Valid point, though Gaia has no excuse for her "you were a pawn" speech. A simple "hold on until I can get my footing" instead would have saved her life (maybe) after Kratos left the underworld.
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** During both of those times, the rest of the gods were around to handle the passing of power. For example, Thanatos's and Persephone's death responsibilities would have passed to Hades, and the changing of the seasons would be charged to Demeter. During the battle, those responsible for this (namely, Zeus and Gaia) were too busy to worry about little things like the planet.
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** On a similar note, why didn't Persephone's death cause any calamities? The death of Ares can be handwaved by saying that this is why they immediately appointed Kratos to be his replacement, but the death of a nature goddess who became Queen of the Underworld should have done something. The same applies to Thanatos.
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** Kratos got the title of God of War by being awarded such a title by the gods of Olympus, as a reward for his service and because who better to be the God of War than the man who slew the previous?
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* If Kratos got the title of God of War for killing Ares, does that mean he is in charge of every domain that he kills the god of?
