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** TruthInTelevision: How many criminals do you see on TV still continue to fight police even after a SWAT team is called and they are surrounded by over 50 blue men behind cars around their building. TooDumbToLive is sadly common irl.
*** And going on another end, the mooks with some actual brains understand that Jagi and Amiiba would kill them brutally for retreating or disobeying orders. So its either die fighting a glorious and relatively quick last stand or get tortured by your boss to death in an even far more gruesome manner. And some of these folks with brains realize by association with Souther or some other lethal martial artist ringleader, they'd be killed by the mooks of other powerful warlords like Raoh and Yuuda or even just local peasant villagers they stumble across during their retreat from Kenshiro. And thats not countinghte other tons of heroic warriors who would kill them on site such as Rei and Toki. So they essentially are exiled from other humans and they'd be doomed in the desert as they're open season for other factions. So sticking with their current bossis their best chance at survival even if slim and dying at the hands of Kenshiro is a merciful death compared to the alternatives.
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* Why do all those Mooks rush at Kenshiro once they find out how dangerous he is? Mooks of random gangs wouldn't know that Hokuton is an Invincible Martial art, but at the very least Jagi's and Toki's Mooks don't have that excuse. They have seen Hokuton's effects repeatedly from their own bosses. Even if they believed that Kenshiro's skill with Hokuton was less effective than their Bosses', their behavior still counts as suicidal in the context. It doesn't make any sense, why they'd just laugh and charge Kenshiro armed only with ordinary clubs.
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** It's basically that a tearful apology means a lot more in Asian cultures taken UpToEleven.

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** It's basically that a tearful apology means a lot more in Asian cultures taken UpToEleven.
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** As he's dying, he realizes that he was wrong in the horrible things he did. Kenshiro seems to forgive him, which suggests that he must be worthy of forgiveness to some degree (although it does seem like severe MoralDissonance. This troper's read that in Japan, a big part in what kind of sentence is given to convicted criminals is whether or not they seem to be sorry for their actions; maybe Souther comes across as more sympathetic to the original Japanese audience).

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** As he's dying, he realizes that he was wrong in the horrible things he did. Kenshiro seems to forgive him, which suggests that he must be worthy of forgiveness to some degree (although it does seem like severe MoralDissonance. This troper's read that in Japan, a big part in what kind of sentence is given to convicted criminals is whether or not they seem to be sorry for their actions; maybe Souther comes across as more sympathetic to the original Japanese audience).degree.
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** It's likely that it was sent flying from a nuclear blast and a skyscraper just so happened to be nearby.
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** [[Film/SinCity "That is one damn fine coat you're wearing!"]].
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** Also, they breed like rabbits.
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* What makes Mr.Heart so popular? The guy keeps turning up in a lot of the spin-offs that were made in the series, he even got a place in the arcade game as a playable character.

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* What makes Mr. Heart so popular? The guy keeps turning up in a lot of the spin-offs that were made in the series, he even got a place in the arcade game as a playable character.



----->'''Souther:''' "I see. Now I've lost my protection and my wings. But... I'm the Saint Emperor, Souther! Emperor of the Six Stars of Nanto! No retreating! No begging! No quitting! The Emperor will never flee!" *vaults off of a step... either punching along the way (anime), or just straight leaping into Hyakuretsuken-Ujoumoushouha (2006 OVA/''Hokuto Musou'')*

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----->'''Souther:''' ---->'''Souther:''' "I see. Now I've lost my protection and my wings. But... I'm the Saint Emperor, Souther! Emperor of the Six Stars of Nanto! No retreating! No begging! No quitting! The Emperor will never flee!" *vaults off of a step... either punching along the way (anime), or just straight leaping into Hyakuretsuken-Ujoumoushouha (2006 OVA/''Hokuto Musou'')*
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** As the above proper put it, plus Ken held back a lot of his more lethal techniques against Shin (a man who, mind you, was his friend up until the whole "stealing your girlfriend and leaving you for dead" thing). Pay attention during their rematch: Kenshiro flat out tells Shin that he's not using any lethal pressure points. He only tries to kill Shin once he think's Shin has killed Yuria, and once he does, Shin goes down ''fast''.

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** RuleOfDrama, it doesnt make sense in any logical world, but this is a world with magical kung fu and everyone not being dead after years in a nuclear hellscape, you kinda have to take their word for it.

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** RuleOfDrama, it doesnt doesn't make sense in any logical world, but this is a world with magical kung fu and everyone not being dead after years in a nuclear hellscape, you kinda have to take their word for it.



** I think it's a Japanese thing; martial arts schools (at least traditional ones, not "modern" arts like judo or karate) are often treated as heiritable property, and while the "successor" isn't the only one to practice the art, they are responsible for developing the curriculum and licensing others to teach, and have discretion to expel students. In the manga, Kenshiro and Falco (possibly others as well), occasionally use techniques called "ougi" (translated to "succession technique"), presumably these are secrets taught *only* to the successor of the art in question.
* Ok. It makes sense as to why Shin told Kenshiro Yuria was dead. He gets to spite Kenshiro by keeping him away from Yuria, perhaps for the rest of Kenshiro or Yuria's life, and it'll make it that much less likely that Raoh will ever find Yuria if Kenshiro isn't searching for her or with her. Fine. However, why did Yuria not ever send Kenshiro a message through someone in the Nanto Goshasei? It's not as if they were keeping her prisoner. Furthermore, why did she not tell Juza that she was alive either? Her death is specifically what caused him to go down the hedonistic road he did and made it that much easier for Roah to eventually find her. Even if she didn't tell him right away, once Roah was actually on the way to her and Juza was ignoring the pleas of others to step in, she easily could have told him then. What sense does it make to wait to the last minute, when Roah has already passed by Juza to then tell Juza?

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** I think it's a Japanese thing; martial arts schools (at least traditional ones, not "modern" arts like judo or karate) are often treated as heiritable heritable property, and while the "successor" isn't the only one to practice the art, they are responsible for developing the curriculum and licensing others to teach, and have discretion to expel students. In the manga, Kenshiro and Falco (possibly others as well), occasionally use techniques called "ougi" (translated to "succession technique"), presumably these are secrets taught *only* to the successor of the art in question.
* Ok.OK. It makes sense as to why Shin told Kenshiro Yuria was dead. He gets to spite Kenshiro by keeping him away from Yuria, perhaps for the rest of Kenshiro or Yuria's life, and it'll make it that much less likely that Raoh will ever find Yuria if Kenshiro isn't searching for her or with her. Fine. However, why did Yuria not ever send Kenshiro a message through someone in the Nanto Goshasei? It's not as if they were keeping her prisoner. Furthermore, why did she not tell Juza that she was alive either? Her death is specifically what caused him to go down the hedonistic road he did and made it that much easier for Roah Raoh to eventually find her. Even if she didn't tell him right away, once Roah Raoh was actually on the way to her and Juza was ignoring the pleas of others to step in, she easily could have told him then. What sense does it make to wait to the last minute, when Roah Raoh has already passed by Juza to then tell Juza?


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** As Shin pointed out, Ken lacked the drive needed to survive in the devastated world. Even Jagi noticed that Ken was more ruthless then when they fought. It wasn't until after Shin nearly killed him that Ken had gained that drive, fueled by revenge.
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* If Kenshiro is this ultimate badass that always wins, how was it that Shin was able to beat him the first time at the beginning of the story?
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* How in the world did that giant boat end up impaled through a skyscraper?
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** Besides the reasons listed above, there's also the fact that Jagi was clearly the weakest, least skilled off the lot. He was never in the running for the spot of Successor of Hokuto no Shinken to begin with, which is evidenced by how different people down the line praise Kenshiro, Raoh, and Toki, saying how the 3 of them have created the greatest era in the history of this particular martial arts or how any one of them would have made a fine successor if they hadn't all been born in the same era. Jagi, from the beginning, wasn't a match for Kenshiro and was therefore obviously not going to have been the equal or superior to either Toki or Raoh. So, when characters are talking about the Hokuto brothers down the line Jagi is omitted due to the fact that the conversations always revolved around how skilled said brothers were. For example, towards the end of the anime, when Kenshiro and Raoh are on their way to meet up with the Last General of Nanto, Rihaku recites the history of the Brothers to his daughter. Notably, Jagi appears in the flashbacks, just like he did early in the series. We see his same plea with Toki and Raoh to do something about the fact that Kenshiro has been chosen as successor over the 3 of them. However, he is never mentioned by name by Rihaku, because Rihaku is talking about the skills of the Brothers and their suitability to being successor. Jagi simply doesn't qualify and is therefore omitted.
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** I agree with the above poster. Technically, Toki should have stopped using the art altogether. However, at the end of the day I think it comes down to a simple choice on Ken's part. He makes it clear multiple times how much he admires Toki, even saying shortly before Toki's death that Toki is the one he was chasing after in terms of skill. Toki always treated Ken with respect, gave up his chance to inherit the position of successor, which Ken acknowledges would have gone to Toki otherwise, to save Ken and Yuria, and is really just walking around as a Christ-like figure, performing good deeds before he inevitably dies from radiation poisoning. From a writing standpoint and an in-universe standpoint, the subject is probably never broached because people would find it ridiculous for Ken to bother fighting Toki when you've got people like Roah and Jagi actively abusing the art for power or to harm others. Rules are rules, but it's up to Ken to choose whether or not to actually enforce those rules.


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* Ok. It makes sense as to why Shin told Kenshiro Yuria was dead. He gets to spite Kenshiro by keeping him away from Yuria, perhaps for the rest of Kenshiro or Yuria's life, and it'll make it that much less likely that Raoh will ever find Yuria if Kenshiro isn't searching for her or with her. Fine. However, why did Yuria not ever send Kenshiro a message through someone in the Nanto Goshasei? It's not as if they were keeping her prisoner. Furthermore, why did she not tell Juza that she was alive either? Her death is specifically what caused him to go down the hedonistic road he did and made it that much easier for Roah to eventually find her. Even if she didn't tell him right away, once Roah was actually on the way to her and Juza was ignoring the pleas of others to step in, she easily could have told him then. What sense does it make to wait to the last minute, when Roah has already passed by Juza to then tell Juza?
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*** Its also not unthinkable that some faction has set up shop in a salvaged oil rig somewhere ala MadMax 2. You just dont get to see it because its not something Kenshiro would care about.

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*** Its also not unthinkable that some faction has set up shop in a salvaged oil rig somewhere ala MadMax 2. ''Film/{{Mad Max 2|The Road Warrior}}''. You just dont don't get to see it because its not something Kenshiro would care about.
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** [[SinCity "That is one damn fine coat you're wearing!"]].

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** [[SinCity [[Film/SinCity "That is one damn fine coat you're wearing!"]].
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* Something about Kenshiro's first fight with Souther confuses me. When Kenshiro firsts tries to kill Souther, he uses the Hokuto Hyakuretsuken on him. And when that doesn't work tries ''again''. My question is, how was Souther able to just laugh that off? Even if he is "immune" (and by that I mean has a trick to defeat him) to Hokuto Shinken, shouldn't he have been somewhat injured by being punch 50+ times in the chest with enough force to ''wreck a tank''?
** You forget that Souther is one of the inheritors of the South Dipper styles, and thus posseses the same kind of MadeOfIron abilities as Ken. Without being able to use Southers pressure points against him, Souther can just weather the blows, because his reverse biology means that he's basically brought Ken down to normal in regards to their fight.

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* Something about Kenshiro's first fight with Souther confuses me. When Kenshiro firsts tries to kill Souther, he uses the Hokuto Hyakuretsuken on him. And when that doesn't work work, tries ''again''. My question is, how was Souther able to just laugh that off? Even if he is "immune" (and by that I mean has "has a trick to defeat him) him") to Hokuto Shinken, shouldn't he have been somewhat injured by being punch 50+ times in the chest with enough force to ''wreck a tank''?
** You forget that Souther is one of the inheritors of the South Dipper styles, and thus posseses possesses the same kind of MadeOfIron abilities as Ken. Without being able to use Southers Souther's pressure points against him, Souther can just weather the blows, because his reverse biology means that he's basically brought Ken down to normal in regards to their fight.
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* Does anybdoy know the name of the track that plays when Kenshiro destroys the tank or when he fights Mr. Heart?

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* Does anybdoy anybody know the name of the track that plays when Kenshiro destroys the tank or when he fights Mr. Heart?
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* Is there some cultural reason to why a villain is apparently redeemed just by crying a little before he dies? Souther is the most blatant example, even if hes not forgiven per se they try to tack on some vaguely sympathetic Freudian Excuse, even though the monstrous things he's done would make his master shun him, but damn near EVERY major villain seems to have one of these. Doesnt matter if theyve genocided thousands, just cry a little, and Kenshiro will be sad that youre dead.

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* Is there some cultural reason to why a villain is apparently redeemed just by crying a little before he dies? Souther is the most blatant example, even if hes not forgiven per se they try to tack on some vaguely sympathetic Freudian Excuse, even though the monstrous things he's done would make his master shun him, but damn near EVERY major villain seems to have one of these. Doesnt matter if theyve they've genocided thousands, just cry a little, and Kenshiro will be sad that youre you're dead.
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** At one point in said flashback with the Goshasei (And not his own army men BTW) Shin reckons that if Raoh thinks Yuria is dead he won't go looking for her. He's also pretty sad over her unconsciously saying Ken's name and not his own proving she loves Ken instead of him, which hastens Shin's decision. Raoh was on his way there too apparently. Shin decided that if Ken believed Yuria to be dead, Raoh would most likely believe it too, especially if he found Shin's beaten body in a grave Ken dug for him, wherein Raoh would come to the obvious conclusion, So it was partly spite for Ken but also hiding Yuria from Raoh. Of course there's also that Yuria doll...

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** At one point in said flashback with the Goshasei (And not his own army men BTW) Shin reckons that if Raoh thinks Yuria is dead he won't go looking for her. He's also pretty sad over her unconsciously saying Ken's name and not his own proving she loves Ken instead of him, which hastens Shin's decision. Raoh was on his way there too apparently. Shin decided that if Ken believed Yuria to be dead, Raoh would most likely believe it too, especially if he found Shin's beaten body in a grave Ken dug for him, wherein Raoh would come to the obvious conclusion, conclusion. So it was partly spite for Ken but also hiding Yuria from Raoh. Of course there's also that Yuria doll...
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** As he's dying, he realizes that he was wrong in the horrible things he did. Kenshiro seems to forgive him, which suggests that he must be worthy of forgiveness to some degree (although it does seem like severe MoralDissonance. This troper's read that in Japan, a big part in what kind of sentence is given to convicted criminals is whether or not they seem to be sorry for their actions; maybe Souther comes across as more sympathetic to the original Japanese audience.

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** As he's dying, he realizes that he was wrong in the horrible things he did. Kenshiro seems to forgive him, which suggests that he must be worthy of forgiveness to some degree (although it does seem like severe MoralDissonance. This troper's read that in Japan, a big part in what kind of sentence is given to convicted criminals is whether or not they seem to be sorry for their actions; maybe Souther comes across as more sympathetic to the original Japanese audience.audience).
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