History Headscratchers / DragonBallMultiverse

* Is Freeza's actual maximum power level in Multiverse 530,000, or is that what Salagir thinks his maximum should have been in canon?
** It's an error or misunderstanding on Salagir's part. Freeza's base form has the power level of 530,000. His 4th form has a power level of about 60 million, with 100% being around 120 million.

** And even that is kind of contradictory with some of the things we've seen in DBZ. An easy explanation would be that Goku was just suppressed when Beerus made that assessment

** Most likely, Salagir is basing this on how Gotenks could only hold Super Saiyan 3 for five minutes and Goku's trouble with that form during the Kid Buu fight. Super Saiyan 3 is in canon a harder form to maintain compared to Super Saiyan 1 and 2, but Salagir exaggerated what a drain it is.
* Why is Ginyu so dumb? If he had used the change ability more towards the 20 or 25 second mark of the countdown instead at exactly 30 seconds, he could have avoided fighting Vegito at all. When universe 16 discovered what he did, he could have claimed that he was actually a fighter from universe 8 (making it a win for universe 8 as [=!GinyuBra=]) making it illegal for Vegito to attack him lest they lose the tournament outright. He of course knows Frieza would kill him if he went back to their side, but that was the perfect opportunity to hold Bra's body hostage and negotiate a way out. Theoretically, he could also have claimed to be part of universe 16 either by forcing Vegito to play along lest they lose Bra's match (since Ginyu would have technically won for universe 8) or claim that the body belongs in universe 16 and that he won for their team (this is plausible given how utterly exploitable this tournament's rules are). There was any number of deals he could have made including using the wish of the dragon balls to give him a new body. Instead he just does the same thing he does in DBZ instead. This is after he was apparently playing as Main/TheChessmaster for years against the strongest beings of his universe. Plus, he could have just ''killed'' Frieza and Cold at any time since he had gotten much stronger than them in Cold's body. Why did he even bother with the charade at that point? What was the point? It's not like Frieza's empire is inherited. Simply being the strongest in the universe would give him enough leverage to take control with Cold, Frieza, and Cooler dead.

* Why is Ginyu so dumb? If he had used the change ability more towards the 20 or 25 second mark of the countdown instead at exactly 30 seconds, he could have avoided fighting Vegito at all. When universe 16 discovered what he did, he could have claimed that he was actually a fighter from universe 8 (making it a win for universe 8 as [=!GinyuBra=]) making it illegal for Vegito to attack him lest they lose the tournament outright. He of course knows Frieza would kill him if he went back to their side, but that was the perfect opportunity to hold Bra's body hostage and negotiate a way out. Theoretically, he could also have claimed to be part of universe 16 either by forcing Vegito to play along lest they lose Bra's match (since Ginyu would have technically won for universe 8) or claim that the body belongs in universe 16 and that he won for their team (this is plausible given how utterly exploitable this tournament's rules are). There was any number of deals he could have made including using the wish of the dragon balls to give him a new body. Instead he just does the same thing he does in DBZ instead. This is after he was apparently playing as a Chessmaster for years against the strongest beings of his universe. Plus, he could have just ''killed'' Frieza and Cold at any time since he had gotten much stronger than them in Cold's body. Why did he even bother with the charade at that point? What was the point? It's not like Frieza's empire is inherited. Simply being the strongest in the universe would give him enough leverage to take control with Cold, Frieza, and Cooler dead.

*** The french novelization (Chapter 136) elaborates that it's after he self-destructed. Vegeta senses he's holding back and could have given SSJ2 Gohan a good fight, while Cell muses that he might have lost if he had faced him at that power level 27 years ago.

* Why is Ginyu so dumb? If he had used the change ability more towards the 20 or 25 second mark of the countdown instead at exactly 30 seconds, he could have avoided fighting Vegito at all. When universe 16 discovered what he did, he could have claimed that he was actually a fighter from universe 8 (making it a win for universe 8 as [=!GinyuBra=]) making it illegal for Vegito to attack him lest they lose the tournament out right. He of course knows Frieza would kill him if he went back to their side, but that was the perfect opportunity to hold Bra's body hostage and negotiate a way out. Theoretically, he could also have claimed to be part of universe 16 either by forcing Vegito to play along lest they lose Bra's match (since Ginyu would have technically won for universe 8) or claim that the body belongs in universe 16 and that he won for their team (this is plausible given how utterly exploitable this tournament's rules are). There was any number of deals he could have made including using the wish of the dragon balls to give him a new body. Instead he just does the same thing he does in DBZ instead. This is after he was apparently playing as a Chessmaster for years against the strongest beings of his universe. Plus, he could have just ''killed'' Frieza and Cold at any time since he had gotten much stronger than them in Cold's body. Why did he even bother with the charade at that point? What was the point? It's not like Frieza's empire is inherited. Simply being the strongest in the universe would give him enough leverage to take control with Cold, Frieza, and Cooler dead.

* Why is Ginyu so dumb? If he had used the change ability more towards the 20 or 25 second mark of the countdown instead at exactly 30 seconds, he could have avoided fighting Vegito at all. When universe 16 discovered what he did, he could have claimed that he was actually a fighter from universe 8 (making it a win for universe 8 as !GinyuBra) making it illegal for Vegito to attack him lest they lose the tournament out right. He of course knows Frieza would kill him if he went back to their side, but that was the perfect opportunity to hold Bra's body hostage and negotiate a way out. Theoretically, he could also have claimed to be part of universe 16 either by forcing Vegito to play along lest they lose Bra's match (since Ginyu would have technically won for universe 8) or claim that the body belongs in universe 16 and that he won for their team (this is plausible given how utterly exploitable this tournament's rules are). There was any number of deals he could have made including using the wish of the dragon balls to give him a new body. Instead he just does the same thing he does in DBZ instead. This is after he was apparently playing as a Chessmaster for years against the strongest beings of his universe. Plus, he could have just ''killed'' Frieza and Cold at any time since he had gotten much stronger than them in Cold's body. Why did he even bother with the charade at that point? What was the point? It's not like Frieza's empire is inherited. Simply being the strongest in the universe would give him enough leverage to take control with Cold, Frieza, and Cooler dead.

* Why is Ginyu so dumb? If he had used the change ability more towards the 20 or 25 second mark of the countdown instead at exactly 30 seconds, he could have avoided fighting Vegito at all. When universe 16 discovered what he did, he could have claimed that he was actually a fighter from universe 8 (making it a win for universe 8 as !GinyuBra) making it illegal for Vegito to attack him lest they lose the tournament out right. He of course knows Frieza would kill him if he went back to their side, but that was the perfect opportunity to hold Bra's body hostage and negotiate a way out. Theoretically, he could also have claimed to be part of universe 16 either by forcing Vegito to play along lest they lose Bra's match (since Ginyu would have technically won for universe 8) or claim that the body belongs in universe 16 and that he won for their team (this is plausible given how utterly exploitable this tournament's rules are). There was any number of deals he could have made including using the wish of the dragon balls to give him a new body. Instead he just does the same thing he does in DBZ instead. This is after he was apparently playing as a Chessmaster for years against the strongest beings of his universe. Plus, he could have just ''killed'' Frieza and Cold at any time since he had gotten much stronger than them in Cold's body. Why did he even bother with the charade at that point? What was the point?

** Most likely, Salagir is basing this on how Gotenks could only hold Super Saiyan 3 for five minutes and Goku's trouble with that form during the Kid Buu fight. Super Saiyan 3 is in canon a harder form to maintain compared to Super Saiyan 1 and 2, but Salagir exaggerated what a drain it is.

* Why is Super Saiyan 3 treated like a fundamentally different form? The series has Super Saiyan 3 become harder to use the stronger the user is, even though this isn't true with Super Saiyans 1 and 2 and there's no evidence for this in the original series.

* Why is SSJ3 treated like a fundamentally different form? The series has SSJ3 become harder to use the stronger the user is, even though this isn't true with SSJs 1 and 2 and there's no evidence for this in the original series.

** It's an error or misunderstanding on Salagir's part. Freeza's base form has the power level of 530,000. His 4th form has a power level of about 60 million, with 100% being around 120 million.

* Is Freeza's actual maximum power level in Multiverse 530,000, or is that what Salagir thinks his maximum should have been in canon?