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*** He speculates. He said “I never realised...”, so he was wrong at least once. Who's to say he was right the second time? And the thing about translations is that languages rarely translate 'directly', and the nuances of a word can shift very quickly, so even a 'direct' translation is by no means the most accurate. Whatever language the prophesy was originally written in could have many words with differing meanings that someone might translate as 'silence' (assuming it's only been translated once and not through several languages before it reaches the audience).
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*** He speculates. He said “I never realised...”, so he was wrong at least once. Who's to say he was right the second time? And the thing about translations is that languages rarely translate 'directly', and the nuances of a word can shift very quickly, so even a 'direct' translation is by no means the most accurate. Whatever language the prophesy was originally written in could have many words with differing meanings that someone might translate as 'silence' (assuming it's only been translated once and not through several languages before it reaches the audience).audience)
** Translation: when whomever is supposed to ask the all-important question (Doctor Who?) finally asks said question, everybody will be silent, because no one will know the answer. Like when your algebra teacher asks a question about some equation and no one was paying attention, and suddenly he says, "Timmy! What does X equal?" Silence falls. Like that! Basically, they really don't want that question to be answered. (Which kind of stinks, since the rest of us have been watching since 1963 just to find the answer to this stinkin' question!)
** Translation: when whomever is supposed to ask the all-important question (Doctor Who?) finally asks said question, everybody will be silent, because no one will know the answer. Like when your algebra teacher asks a question about some equation and no one was paying attention, and suddenly he says, "Timmy! What does X equal?" Silence falls. Like that! Basically, they really don't want that question to be answered. (Which kind of stinks, since the rest of us have been watching since 1963 just to find the answer to this stinkin' question!)
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*** The size of the facilities seem to indicate that they were meant to hold multiple people. Perhaps the Red Waterfall Zone was meant to hold all of the patients at once. Of course, then you realize that the entire facility is [[FridgeHorror completely empty...]]
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** Time Travel shenanigans: while this episode does involve the Silence, this is, from the Silence' perspective, one of their first encounters with the Doctor. Amy was kidnapped and replaced off-screen, some time between her honeymoon and her investigation of the orphanage, long enough for her to get pregnant, but before it would start to show. The vision of Madame Kovarian means that Amy has been replaced. We never saw when or where exactly she was replaced, and we may never know. My personal theory is that she was kidnapped earlier in the episode, when she first saw one of the Silents. It could work; Silents kidnap and replace her, and even if River, Rory, and the Doctor put up a fight, the minute the Silence run off with their prize, they've forgotten there was even a fight.
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*** False; When the TARDIS refers to herself as a "museum piece", she means it metaphorically, as in, she was so old she belonged in a museum. Canonically, the TARDIS was stolen from a repair shop.
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** Keep in mind that the folks at Demon's Run are probably not the majority opinion; they are a bunch of religious fanatics who have latched onto the Doctor as their witch, and they want to burn him. It would be shocking if there wasn't some group that mistook the Doctor's actions as the acts of a demon.
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*** I had thought that the real Doctor, with the help of his ganger perhaps, had used his telepath abilities to tap into what the Gangers were feeling.
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** This troper was always under the impression that the five "rogue" gangers we meet in this episode were isolated, extremely unusual cases, and gained sentience because of the storm that hit their island. It brings up a whole bunch of ethical dilemmas including their legal status, are they people, etc. and probably causes the creators of the Flesh™ pause, and wonder if such a situation has ever happened before. Amy's ganger represents what gangers are supposed to act like, and probably do most of the time. Normally, they act as fleshy avatars for the workers, like incredibly elaborate Hazmat suits. The sentient gangers in this episode were a freak accident.
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** This was probably more hyperbole than anything else; do you really think that the Daleks would spend a weekend scanning the entire shore of Lake Silencio for a single foreign cell? The point was that the body needed to be disposed of in a way that some wandering tourist (or alien religious cult) couldn't salvage biological stuff.
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** Perhaps it had something to do with the fact that the ship was careening uncontrollably towards the planet's surface?
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** Is it really that hard to buy that he simply happened to have a writing implement on his person? Especially since "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" establishes he's ''known'' for carrying random stuff in his pockets "just in case".
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** It's not like you randomly wake up as a Ganger. Entering your Ganger is explicitly given as a conscious decision--you climb into the device, and have someone else press the right buttons.
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* The first time we see Amy having a vision of Madame Kovarian is in ''The Day of the Moon'', when she's investigating the orphanage. In this episode we learn that it means she had already been replaced with a Ganger by then. But it's only after she's had that first vision that she's kidnapped by the Silents... Which means the Silents kidnap the Ganger Amy. Why would they kidnap the fake Amy (and thus risk the Doctor tracing her and discovering their base), when they already had the real Amy in their possession?
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** Well, to be fair, you'd be seeing a crazy man slapping himself on the neck and saying a fish got him whether or not you also saw the fish itself.
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** This isn't the first time the show has made this claim. Rose once said something very similar sometime during the David Tennant era.
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*** And "The Magician's Apprentice" established that UNIT is ''constantly'' searching for signs of the Doctor's involvement in past historical events, enough to pinpoint where he's been.
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** The Silence had been manipulating the U.S. government for a long time to ensure that the space suit would be constructed, so they'd probably planted commands to ignore their presence in White House staff and security personnel ''years'' ago.
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** You forget ''seeing'' or ''encountering'' the Silents, but ''hearing'' them in the absence of seeing them can be remembered. He probably jotted himself a "listen to that video with your eyes closed" note, then edited it by audio-only.
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** The problem with writing it all off as TimeyWimeyBall is that even if you believe that the past changed so Kazran was never given control of the machine and he was only somehow still able to use it because he had become so much like his father that it fooled the machine... is that none of this would have happened in the first place if Kazran hadn't have been able to manipulate the machine so as to keep the storm going! And if he never had the ability to control the skies - presumably stopping the storm so various trading ships relating to his businesses COULD get through - then he wouldn't have so much power and wealth as to be able to tell The President [[FatherTed FECK OFF!]] when he asks Kazran if he wouldn't mind, terribly, NOT letting those people die.
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** The problem with writing it all off as TimeyWimeyBall is that even if you believe that the past changed so Kazran was never given control of the machine and he was only somehow still able to use it because he had become so much like his father that it fooled the machine... is that none of this would have happened in the first place if Kazran hadn't have been able to manipulate the machine so as to keep the storm going! And if he never had the ability to control the skies - presumably stopping the storm so various trading ships relating to his businesses COULD get through - then he wouldn't have so much power and wealth as to be able to tell The President [[FatherTed [[Series/FatherTed FECK OFF!]] when he asks Kazran if he wouldn't mind, terribly, NOT letting those people die.
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* Speaking of the "You should kill us all on sight" video, when Canton first sends it to the Doctor, how is the Doctor able to use it? How does he remember he has it? He can't have been looking at a Silent the entire time he was doing the work to edit it and splice it into the TV feed, can he?
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**I have a personal theory that the River that appeared at the end came straight from the Day of the Moon. The outfit is similar, if not the same, and she had just kissed the Doctor for what she had every reason to believe was the last time. She probably decided to cheer herself up by visiting Stormcage and giving her family the good news of her identity.
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**I never thought time changed much at all in the end. Yes, the child probably resolved to be nice and that had some effect but life can still beat someone down and if he still met Abigail...yeah, I think Kazran was still a grumpy Scrooge up until that night. He looked into his younger self's face, realized truly what he had become, and all of the lessons of the night became clear at once. Older Kazran had a happy breakdown and transformed into a nicer person on the spot. His brainwaves jolted into a different pattern and the machine no longer recognized them. Even if it readjusts over time, it wouldn't be in time for the ship. So yes, brainwaves not DNA.
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*** Not to mention Recap/DoctorWhoS33E10JourneyToTheCentreOfTheTardis, which shows us how the TARDIS usually maintains herself. But it's true the Doctor stole her from a repair shop when she was many centuries old when she was stolen (Type 40 TARDISes were being replaced with newer models), and it's true that her chameleon circuit no longer works. (There's an early episode that shows her looking like a pipe organ, a painted dresser, and a fancy gateway.) The Ninth Doctor explained that he hasn't fixed the chameleon circuit because he likes the police-box look. So we KNOW of at least one element that's permanently broken.
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** We see several TARDISes in the repair shop from which the First Doctor stole the TARDIS, Recap/DoctorWhoS33E13TheNameOfTheDoctor. TARDISes are bio-grown, and don't reach maturity until they're several hundred years old. The TARDIS was old and outdated by newer models when the Doctor stole her, meaning she was probably around 1,000 years old or more. All TARDISes come with chameleon circuits, so they can be disguised -- in ancient Rome a TARDIS might look like a plinth, in frontier America it might look like a teepee. Sexy looks like a police box because her chameleon circuit is broken. (In the 20th century we have seen her look like a pipe organ, a painted cabinet, and a fancy gateway.) The Ninth Doctor explained that he hadn't fixed the chameleon circuit because he LIKES the police-box look.
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** We see several TARDISes [=TARDISes=] in the repair shop from which the First Doctor stole the TARDIS, Recap/DoctorWhoS33E13TheNameOfTheDoctor. TARDISes TARDIS in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E13TheNameOfTheDoctor "The Name of the Doctor"]]. [=TARDISes=] are bio-grown, and don't reach maturity until they're several hundred years old. The TARDIS was old and outdated by newer models when the Doctor stole her, meaning she was probably around 1,000 years old or more. All TARDISes [=TARDISes=] come with chameleon circuits, so they can be disguised -- in ancient Rome a TARDIS might look like a plinth, in frontier America it might look like a teepee. Sexy looks like a police box because her chameleon circuit is broken. (In the 20th century we have seen her look like a pipe organ, a painted cabinet, and a fancy gateway.) The Ninth Doctor explained that he hadn't fixed the chameleon circuit because he LIKES the police-box look.
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**** Jesus had at least sevem female apostles according to the Christian Testament, including Prisca, the first teacher of Christian theology. Since the papal mainframe is feminine, obviously the believers of the future are better educated than the males of today's conservative traditions are.
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**** According to the Bible, Jesus had at least sevem seven female apostles according to the Christian Testament, apostles, including Mary, Junia, and Prisca, the first teacher of Christian theology. Since the papal mainframe is feminine, obviously the believers of the future are better educated than the males most of today's conservative traditions are.us are today.
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**** Jesus had at least sevem female apostles according to the Christian Testament, including Prisca, the first teacher of Christian theology. Since the papal mainframe is feminine, obviously the believers of the future are better educated than the males of today's conservative traditions are.
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*** This is a good point, but if the internal structure of a Flesh copy is so close to human that the Doctor can't tell the difference between Flesh and human in the Doctor's own scan, why didn't the Flesh copy the embryo, even if the copy-embryo couldn't grow any further? Amy must have believed she was pregnant or she wouldn't have told the Doctor, which means she must have been at least two months along, which means the embryo would have been the size of a kidney bean. At three months, the embryo would have been about the length of a domino playing tile. Either way, it should have shown up on the Doctor's scan.
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** I thought the eyes were the last part to die of the used gangers that were just thrown away -- didn't Jennifer say something like, the eyes are the last part of the Flesh to dissolve into goo? And the last question of all these dozens of used gangers, now eye-studded goo, is "Why? Why did you create me, endow me with all YOUR memories and characteristics, and then throw me away like a torn pair of underpants?"
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** Rory acquired spray paint from the same place he got several decades of age and a long gray beard: Amy's hallucination.
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* Alright... are the Gangers supposed to be inclined towards evil or what? Because at one point the men said that, but then proceeded to declare war themselves, which I thought was supposed to be demonstrating that they were wrong, and that both sides were capable of evil, which would be keeping with usual Doctor Who spirit. But... I'm not buying how quickly Ganger!Jennifer went from "help me, I'm so scared", to "kill them all!". Sure, one of her fellow Gangers had just been killed, but... it just seemed so sudden.
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* Alright...All right... are the Gangers supposed to be inclined towards evil or what? Because at one point the men said that, but then proceeded to declare war themselves, which I thought was supposed to be demonstrating that they were wrong, and that both sides were capable of evil, which would be keeping with usual Doctor Who spirit. But... I'm not buying how quickly Ganger!Jennifer went from "help me, I'm so scared", to "kill them all!". Sure, one of her fellow Gangers had just been killed, but... it just seemed so sudden.
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** OP here. What I meant by that was, when Canton first saw the holographic Silent, and it was recorded, you can clearly hear River's voice. Presumably, along with The Doctor and River, Amy and Rory were looking. Even if Canton turned away, shouldn't the others still be looking at, or if they also followed the Doctor's order, be scrambeling to fix his bowtie?
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** OP here. What I meant by that was, when Canton first saw the holographic Silent, and it was recorded, you can clearly hear River's voice. Presumably, along with The Doctor and River, Amy and Rory were looking. Even if Canton turned away, shouldn't the others still be looking at, or if they also followed the Doctor's order, be scrambeling scrambling to be the first to fix his bowtie?
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*** "Rose" makes it clear there's a forum devoted to the Ninth Doctor. And surely "the forums" mentioned in "Blink" noticed how much the Doctor in the Easter egg looked like that portrait of Elizabeth Tudor's husband.
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