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* Why is the ocean floor covered only with skulls? Shouldn't it be covered with both skulls ''and'' benches? (and broken glass?)
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** Once every ten-thousand years, the Doctor dives into the water, smacks his head on the mountain of skulls, dies, and regenerates. His newly-regenerated self says, "I'd better clean up all those skulls in case I need to dive in again," and then spends several years clearing them out. ''Then'' the cycle begins again.
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** Presumably, the Veil is designed specifically to kill Time Lords, and therefore has some method of preventing regeneration.
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* Why is the ocean floor covered only with skulls? Shouldn't it be covered with both skulls ''and'' benches? (and broken glass?)
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*** WordOfGod states that the Azbantium wall is actually the ''outer wall'' of the Confession Dial itself. That's why when the Doctor breaks through it, he's out of the dial and on Gallifrey.
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** Even if the skulls disintegrate, it's not like their matter completely disappears. So after a billion years there should be no lake anymore, just thick mud made of bone dust and water.
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** To quote the Fifth Doctor, "A man is the sum of his memories... a Time Lord even more so." What is the Doctor but the person who has all the Doctor's memories, his personality, his relationship with his TARDIS, his beliefs, his outlook on the universe, etc?
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** It'd have to take longer than 2 days per iteration, though, because it takes him more than a day just to crawl back to the teleporter after the Veil touches him. He definitely doesn't reach Room 12 in half a day, because there's at least two nights - one when he digs in the garden, the other when he looks at the stars atop the tower - that pass while he's searching for it.
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** The shades may get damaged when the Veil's touch wracks his body, same as his clothes do. Also, remember that one of the "rules" for time travelers is that you don't seek information about your own future from books, notes, gravestones or whatever, lest you deny yourself freedom of action by validating the future events described. If a new-made Twelve found a pair of his own sonic shades with a message recorded on them, he probably wouldn't dare ''listen'' to it, thinking they'd been left by his near-future self.
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** Since "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS1E5TheKeysOfMarinus" The Keys of Marinus]], that was the first time he was seen to teleport.
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** Since "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS1E5TheKeysOfMarinus" "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS1E5TheKeysOfMarinus The Keys of Marinus]], that Marinus]]", which was the first time he was seen to teleport.
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** The shooting script and the next episode reveal that when he says "me" he actually means "Me" -- aka Ashildr. '''But''' if he truly believes her to be the Hybrid, why does feel the need to keep that a secret when he'd have an even better bargaining chip by allowing them to capture her and perhaps execute her, which would kill two birds with one stone -- vengeance against her for what she did to him and Clara (even if she didn't intend to hurt her, she had no problem betraying him) and satisfaction for the Time Lords. A hefty reward might be granted him for getting the Hybrid finished off, after all.
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[[folder: The buried clue]]
* Why did the Doctor leave the "I am in 12" clue buried so deeply (or at all)? I considered that maybe it was in an attempt to circumvent the whole "resetting" thing, but the chalk arrows pointing to the burial spot didn't reset, so why not just leave it at surface level? Also, why not mention something like "take the spade to 12"? Surely having a metal implement would shave off a few million years.
** Presumably "I am in 12" was the only thing he had the time to write before the monster caught up with him? Since we don't see the Doctor write those words during the loop that repeats in the episode, it must've gone happened in an earlier iteration where things went differently. Presumably in that iteration the monster could've appeared at any point while the Doctor was digging the grave and writing words, so he decided to keep the message as short as possible so that he would have the time to write it.
*** But still, why bury it? That takes a lot more time than just scrawling a message.
*** "Hell Bent" explains this. The Doctor has to keep the Time Lords believing that he knows what the Hybrid is, so some events needed to repeat with each cycle until he could punch through the wall. One of them was his declaration of why he left Gallifrey which only happened because the Veil cornered him while he was digging in the grave. He couldn't bypass it.
*** Things inside the castle revert, things outside of it don't. Presumably by burying the slab in the soil ''beneath'' the castle, an earlier iteration of Twelve managed to LogicBomb the reset mechanism, presenting it with something (that particular flagstone floor) which was both inside ''and outside'' the castle at the same time.
* Why did the Doctor leave the "I am in 12" clue buried so deeply (or at all)? I considered that maybe it was in an attempt to circumvent the whole "resetting" thing, but the chalk arrows pointing to the burial spot didn't reset, so why not just leave it at surface level? Also, why not mention something like "take the spade to 12"? Surely having a metal implement would shave off a few million years.
** Presumably "I am in 12" was the only thing he had the time to write before the monster caught up with him? Since we don't see the Doctor write those words during the loop that repeats in the episode, it must've gone happened in an earlier iteration where things went differently. Presumably in that iteration the monster could've appeared at any point while the Doctor was digging the grave and writing words, so he decided to keep the message as short as possible so that he would have the time to write it.
*** But still, why bury it? That takes a lot more time than just scrawling a message.
*** "Hell Bent" explains this. The Doctor has to keep the Time Lords believing that he knows what the Hybrid is, so some events needed to repeat with each cycle until he could punch through the wall. One of them was his declaration of why he left Gallifrey which only happened because the Veil cornered him while he was digging in the grave. He couldn't bypass it.
*** Things inside the castle revert, things outside of it don't. Presumably by burying the slab in the soil ''beneath'' the castle, an earlier iteration of Twelve managed to LogicBomb the reset mechanism, presenting it with something (that particular flagstone floor) which was both inside ''and outside'' the castle at the same time.
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* How long would it really take to punch through a wall ''20ft thick and 400x tougher than diamond''? Assuming the rate of the few punches he does, every 2 days...
** FridgeBrilliance: The
* Why did
** Also, remember what the Half-Faced Man said in Deep Breath? The Doctor, like all Timelords, is stronger than he looks.
** Don't forget the effect that sheer time has on any substance. In two billion years even diamonds would turn into dust from nothing but contact with air. It's possible that the substance was growing increasingly brittle as the Doctor
** Presumably "I am in 12" was the only thing he had the time to write before the monster caught up with him? Since we don't see the Doctor write those words during the loop that repeats in the episode, it must've gone happened in an earlier iteration where things
*** But still, why bury it? That takes a lot more time than just scrawling a message.
** Plus due to the gaining distance, progressive iterations would have more time to punch more.
** And probably more enthusiasm, as they'd be able to see clear evidence that he's going to make it eventually.
** The best guess of the Sisterhood is that the Doctor
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[[folder: More on Room 12 vs. the rest of the castle]]
* Why is Room 12 the only part of the entire castle that doesn't reset with each cycle?
** Probably the individual rooms are designed to re-set themselves just before he returns to them. He never ''returns'' to Room 12: his next copy does.
** Everything ''inside'' the castle resets. Things ''outside'' of the castle do not. Hence, the skull which falls into the water escapes the reset. If it had fallen the other way, it would disappear each round. What is labeled as "12" is actually the way ''out'', that's the whole point of it. What is beyond that super-wall is outside of the castle, and apparently the "outside" area begins at the start of the wall.
* So given, by the end of it, the Doctor has done this billions of times. At minimum two billion, assuming he spends a full year in the castle each cycle which is quite generous, it's probably closer to a week or month. We see an entire lake full of skulls the first time we go through this at 7,000 years into the future. A billion is a really big number. Surely, by the time the Doctor gets that far, the lake would entirely fill up with skulls, thus eventually killing him when he lands on a compressed bedrock of skulls instead of the water. There's also the little issue that he seems to be getting more energy out of repowering the teleporter than he's putting into it. Each time the Doctor goes through it, he's creating a new skull. So either the Doctor should be getting weaker as the cycles go on, or the process is violating the law of Conservation of Mass/Energy.
** The skulls wear out and disintegrate from the weight of the ones above them as fast as he's adding them. The waves wash the bone dust away. As for the energy issue, who knows how much energy might be in his body when it's trying extremely hard to regenerate, but can't get the process started because it's too damaged? Surely enough to remake a body, because that's what it's normally used for.
** For that matter, shouldn't the skulls be intermixed with thousands of stools, broken glass, and bits of window frame? All of those things also fell into the water every cycle.
** The window and the chair are part of the castle's furnishings. They probably re-set no matter where they're moved to. After all, the castle can't afford to have one Doctor throw the shovels out a window and force all his successors to dig with their bare hands, can it?
* Why is Room 12 the only part of the entire castle that doesn't reset with each cycle?
** Probably the individual rooms are designed to re-set themselves just before he returns to them. He never ''returns'' to Room 12: his next copy does.
** Everything ''inside'' the castle resets. Things ''outside'' of the castle do not. Hence, the skull which falls into the water escapes the reset. If it had fallen the other way, it would disappear each round. What is labeled as "12" is actually the way ''out'', that's the whole point of it. What is beyond that super-wall is outside of the castle, and apparently the "outside" area begins at the start of the wall.
* So given, by the end of it, the Doctor has done this billions of times. At minimum two billion, assuming he spends a full year in the castle each cycle which is quite generous, it's probably closer to a week or month. We see an entire lake full of skulls the first time we go through this at 7,000 years into the future. A billion is a really big number. Surely, by the time the Doctor gets that far, the lake would entirely fill up with skulls, thus eventually killing him when he lands on a compressed bedrock of skulls instead of the water. There's also the little issue that he seems to be getting more energy out of repowering the teleporter than he's putting into it. Each time the Doctor goes through it, he's creating a new skull. So either the Doctor should be getting weaker as the cycles go on, or the process is violating the law of Conservation of Mass/Energy.
** The skulls wear out and disintegrate from the weight of the ones above them as fast as he's adding them. The waves wash the bone dust away. As for the energy issue, who knows how much energy might be in his body when it's trying extremely hard to regenerate, but can't get the process started because it's too damaged? Surely enough to remake a body, because that's what it's normally used for.
** For that matter, shouldn't the skulls be intermixed with thousands of stools, broken glass, and bits of window frame? All of those things also fell into the water every cycle.
** The window and the chair are part of the castle's furnishings. They probably re-set no matter where they're moved to. After all, the castle can't afford to have one Doctor throw the shovels out a window and force all his successors to dig with their bare hands, can it?
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** Probably the individual rooms
** Everything ''inside'' the castle resets. Things ''outside'' of the castle do not. Hence, the skull which falls into the water escapes the reset. If it had fallen the other way, it would disappear each round. What is labeled as "12" is actually the way ''out'', that's the whole point of it. What is beyond that super-wall is outside of the castle, and apparently the "outside" area begins at the start of the wall.
* So given, by the end of it, the Doctor has done this billions of times. At minimum two billion, assuming he spends a full year in the castle each cycle which is quite generous, it's probably closer to a week or month. We see an entire lake full of skulls the first time we go through this at 7,000 years into the future. A billion is a really big number. Surely, by the time the Doctor gets that far, the lake would entirely fill up with skulls, thus eventually killing him when he lands on a compressed bedrock of skulls instead of the water. There's also the little issue that he seems to be getting more energy out of repowering the teleporter than he's putting into it. Each time the Doctor goes through it, he's creating a new skull. So either the Doctor should be getting weaker as the cycles go on, or the process is violating the law of Conservation of Mass/Energy.
** The skulls wear out and disintegrate from the weight of the ones above them as fast as he's adding them. The waves wash the bone dust away. As for the energy issue, who knows how much energy might be in his body when it's trying extremely hard to regenerate, but can't get the process started because it's too damaged? Surely enough to remake a body, because that's what it's normally used for.
** For that matter,
** The
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[[folder:Required time]]
* How long would it really take to punch through a wall ''20ft thick and 400x tougher than diamond''? Assuming the rate of the few punches he does, every 2 days...
** FridgeBrilliance: The wall wasn't actually Azbantium, but a manifestation of ''the Time Lock'' that keeps Gallifrey cut off from the universe. The Doctor's status as a Time Lord has previously allowed him to physically bull his way through Time-based obstacles, as per his ability to move with great effort when time was frozen in "Invasion of the Dinosaurs". In this case, that ability to ''force'' one's way through such barriers was exploited by the Confession Dial to ensure that '''only''' a legitimate Time Lord could break through, albeit in the cruelest way possible.
** Also, remember what the Half-Faced Man said in Deep Breath? The Doctor, like all Timelords, is stronger than he looks.
** Don't forget the effect that sheer time has on any substance. In two billion years even diamonds would turn into dust from nothing but contact with air. It's possible that the substance was growing increasingly brittle as the Doctor went along.
** His obstacle was a six-meter thick wall and he faced it about 300 billion times. This means that each time he had to wear out 20 picometers (20 * 10^-12) off the surface by average. Combined with his bounding box, that comes as about 0.018 cubic millimeters of the crystalline material, each iteration.
** Plus due to the gaining distance, progressive iterations would have more time to punch more.
** And probably more enthusiasm, as they'd be able to see clear evidence that he's going to make it eventually.
** The best guess of the Sisterhood is that the Doctor was inside the dial for 4.5 billion "years," as indicated by the simulated sky outside the simulated castle, and always remembering he has no memory of previous loops, starting each loop with the same body and the same memories. Assuming the Doctor reaches room 12 every two "days" of the simulated "years," that's 821,812,500,000,000 punching events. Call it about 822 trillion.
* How long would it really take to punch through a wall ''20ft thick and 400x tougher than diamond''? Assuming the rate of the few punches he does, every 2 days...
** FridgeBrilliance: The wall wasn't actually Azbantium, but a manifestation of ''the Time Lock'' that keeps Gallifrey cut off from the universe. The Doctor's status as a Time Lord has previously allowed him to physically bull his way through Time-based obstacles, as per his ability to move with great effort when time was frozen in "Invasion of the Dinosaurs". In this case, that ability to ''force'' one's way through such barriers was exploited by the Confession Dial to ensure that '''only''' a legitimate Time Lord could break through, albeit in the cruelest way possible.
** Also, remember what the Half-Faced Man said in Deep Breath? The Doctor, like all Timelords, is stronger than he looks.
** Don't forget the effect that sheer time has on any substance. In two billion years even diamonds would turn into dust from nothing but contact with air. It's possible that the substance was growing increasingly brittle as the Doctor went along.
** His obstacle was a six-meter thick wall and he faced it about 300 billion times. This means that each time he had to wear out 20 picometers (20 * 10^-12) off the surface by average. Combined with his bounding box, that comes as about 0.018 cubic millimeters of the crystalline material, each iteration.
** Plus due to the gaining distance, progressive iterations would have more time to punch more.
** And probably more enthusiasm, as they'd be able to see clear evidence that he's going to make it eventually.
** The best guess of the Sisterhood is that the Doctor was inside the dial for 4.5 billion "years," as indicated by the simulated sky outside the simulated castle, and always remembering he has no memory of previous loops, starting each loop with the same body and the same memories. Assuming the Doctor reaches room 12 every two "days" of the simulated "years," that's 821,812,500,000,000 punching events. Call it about 822 trillion.
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** FridgeBrilliance:
** Also, remember what the Half-Faced Man said in Deep Breath? The Doctor, like all Timelords, is stronger than he looks.
** Don't forget the effect that sheer time has
** An earlier Doctor may have painted it.
*** The fact the Doctor
** His obstacle
** Plus due to the gaining distance, progressive iterations would have more time to punch more.
** And probably more enthusiasm, as they'd be able to see clear evidence that he's going to make it eventually.
** The best guess of the Sisterhood is that the Doctor was inside the dial for 4.5 billion "years," as indicated by the simulated sky outside the simulated castle, and always remembering he has no memory of previous loops, starting each loop with the same body and the same memories. Assuming the Doctor reaches room 12 every two "days" of the simulated "years," that's 821,812,500,000,000 punching events. Call it about 822 trillion.
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[[folder:Second of Eternity]]
* The king asked "How many seconds are there in eternity?", not "What is a second of eternity?". And whether you use those special seconds or just plain old seconds, shouldn't the answer to the king's question be the same? There are infinite seconds in eternity.
** The point to the shepherd boy's answer isn't to give an actual number: it's to express to the king that counting off seconds is irrelevant to the "eternity" concept. ''Any'' finite amount of time, whether an actual second or the eons it takes the bird to wear down the entire mountain, is inconceivably brief from the perspective of eternity.
* The king asked "How many seconds are there in eternity?", not "What is a second of eternity?". And whether you use those special seconds or just plain old seconds, shouldn't the answer to the king's question be the same? There are infinite seconds in eternity.
** The point to the shepherd boy's answer isn't to give an actual number: it's to express to the king that counting off seconds is irrelevant to the "eternity" concept. ''Any'' finite amount of time, whether an actual second or the eons it takes the bird to wear down the entire mountain, is inconceivably brief from the perspective of eternity.
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* So the Doctor was teleported into the Confession Dial. He told Ashildr in "Face the Raven" that he didn't know how it worked, and it was said earlier in the season that it could only open when he died. What was the point of
* The king asked "How many seconds
** Possibly the dials are
** The point
** The answer from "Hell Bent": the Confession Dial is designed to give dying Time Lords a chance to live peacefully and get whatever they need to off
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[[folder:Portrait]]
* Did Clara's portrait show its actual age, despite the bedroom's reversions? The Doctor judges it to be "very old" when he examines it in the first iteration shown, and a later shot when he's moving from room to room gave a glimpse of a chamber with empty picture frames on its walls. If so, did his later iterations only see an empty frame and a pile of disintegrated canvas dust which isn't a bad reminder of her absence in itself...?
** An earlier Doctor may have painted it.
*** The fact the Doctor painted the portrait was confirmed by Steven Moffat in an interview published in ''Doctor Who Magazine'' #495.
* Did Clara's portrait show its actual age, despite the bedroom's reversions? The Doctor judges it to be "very old" when he examines it in the first iteration shown, and a later shot when he's moving from room to room gave a glimpse of a chamber with empty picture frames on its walls. If so, did his later iterations only see an empty frame and a pile of disintegrated canvas dust which isn't a bad reminder of her absence in itself...?
** An earlier Doctor may have painted it.
*** The fact the Doctor painted the portrait was confirmed by Steven Moffat in an interview published in ''Doctor Who Magazine'' #495.
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** Is there any actual
** Time Lords are capable of stopping themselves from regenerating, like the Master did in "Last Of The Time Lords". Given the Doctors plan required him to return to the transporter room and create a new copy using his life energy it's likely that he stopped his regeneration on purpose.
** Except if he ''could'' still regenerate, doing so would have been the logical course of action: he'd have had plenty of time to come up with a better way to break through the wall than punching it, because the Veil'd disappeared after it grappled and wounded him. Instead, he muses about how Time Lords take a long time to die even when
** Did you miss the entire speech that he gave
** An earlier Doctor may have painted it.
***
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[[folder:Confession dial workings]]
* So the Doctor was teleported into the Confession Dial. He told Ashildr in "Face the Raven" that he didn't know how it worked, and it was said earlier in the season that it could only open when he died. What was the point of the castle if the dial didn't actually contain the Doctor's confession? Why would it have contained a fragment of the Time Lock capable of being destroyed by the Doctor and the Doctor alone? Why would the Doctor have given the dial to Missy, if she couldn't have used it to get to Gallifrey (and it didn't have his confession ready to be played)? How did the dial itself get to Gallifrey from Ashildr (since we see it open to let the Doctor out at the end of the episode)?
** Possibly the dials are normally used to create a captive copy of a Time Lord's personality, whose intellect can be transferred into the Gallifreyan Matrix upon their final death. Each dial would need a communication-link to Gallifrey to do this, and the true nature of the dials would be kept secret from all but the highest-ranking Time Lords to ensure that link couldn't be exploited to hack the Matrix. When Gallifrey became Time Locked and trapped in its pocket universe, the link to the Doctor's dial got blocked by the crystalline wall, so instead of having to work his way into Room 12 just once, the Doctor had to ''punch'' his way in. The castle, Veil, and mechanisms were all custom-generated to drive him into Room 12 and goad him into entering; the fact it took him several billion tries was an unintended consequence of the blockage being there. By the time he managed it, his confession dial had been brought into Gallifrey in the same way that the white-point star diamond got ''out'' of the Time Lock for "The End Of Time", and had been adjusted so that it'd construct yet another copy of the Doctor's body for him to occupy there as he stepped through the link, instead of dumping his disembodied mind into the Matrix. Alternately, there are actually ''two'' copies of every confession dial: one to be carried by the Time Lord it belongs to, and another left safely behind on Gallifrey, both of them linked to the same BiggerOnTheInside pocket reality. As for why the dial requires confessions, it's to prime the deceased Time Lord personalities to give up all their secrets to the Matrix: something they'd otherwise be reluctant to do.
** The answer from "Hell Bent": the Confession Dial is designed to give dying Time Lords a chance to live peacefully and get whatever they need to off their chests before they're uploaded to the Matrix. The Doctor is rather angry that it was used to torture him into giving up information. Gallifrey escaped the Time Lock/pocket Universe on their own at some point offscreen, and the Dial was brought there so Rassilon could hear his confessions.
* So the Doctor was teleported into the Confession Dial. He told Ashildr in "Face the Raven" that he didn't know how it worked, and it was said earlier in the season that it could only open when he died. What was the point of the castle if the dial didn't actually contain the Doctor's confession? Why would it have contained a fragment of the Time Lock capable of being destroyed by the Doctor and the Doctor alone? Why would the Doctor have given the dial to Missy, if she couldn't have used it to get to Gallifrey (and it didn't have his confession ready to be played)? How did the dial itself get to Gallifrey from Ashildr (since we see it open to let the Doctor out at the end of the episode)?
** Possibly the dials are normally used to create a captive copy of a Time Lord's personality, whose intellect can be transferred into the Gallifreyan Matrix upon their final death. Each dial would need a communication-link to Gallifrey to do this, and the true nature of the dials would be kept secret from all but the highest-ranking Time Lords to ensure that link couldn't be exploited to hack the Matrix. When Gallifrey became Time Locked and trapped in its pocket universe, the link to the Doctor's dial got blocked by the crystalline wall, so instead of having to work his way into Room 12 just once, the Doctor had to ''punch'' his way in. The castle, Veil, and mechanisms were all custom-generated to drive him into Room 12 and goad him into entering; the fact it took him several billion tries was an unintended consequence of the blockage being there. By the time he managed it, his confession dial had been brought into Gallifrey in the same way that the white-point star diamond got ''out'' of the Time Lock for "The End Of Time", and had been adjusted so that it'd construct yet another copy of the Doctor's body for him to occupy there as he stepped through the link, instead of dumping his disembodied mind into the Matrix. Alternately, there are actually ''two'' copies of every confession dial: one to be carried by the Time Lord it belongs to, and another left safely behind on Gallifrey, both of them linked to the same BiggerOnTheInside pocket reality. As for why the dial requires confessions, it's to prime the deceased Time Lord personalities to give up all their secrets to the Matrix: something they'd otherwise be reluctant to do.
** The answer from "Hell Bent": the Confession Dial is designed to give dying Time Lords a chance to live peacefully and get whatever they need to off their chests before they're uploaded to the Matrix. The Doctor is rather angry that it was used to torture him into giving up information. Gallifrey escaped the Time Lock/pocket Universe on their own at some point offscreen, and the Dial was brought there so Rassilon could hear his confessions.
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* When the
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** That bracelet is probably very similar to the
** The answer from "Hell Bent": the Confession Dial is designed to give dying Time Lords a chance to live peacefully and get whatever they need to off their chests before they're uploaded to the Matrix. The Doctor is rather angry that it was
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* When the doctor is killed by the veil, why doesn't he regenerate?
** Is there any actual death involved? Or is the castle, the veil & the transporter a tailored, repeating format the dial uses to elicit confessions. If so, is that how the dial usually works or are the Time Lord council using it to find the Hybrid?
** Time Lords are capable of stopping themselves from regenerating, like the Master did in "Last Of The Time Lords". Given the Doctors plan required him to return to the transporter room and create a new copy using his life energy it's likely that he stopped his regeneration on purpose.
** Except if he ''could'' still regenerate, doing so would have been the logical course of action: he'd have had plenty of time to come up with a better way to break through the wall than punching it, because the Veil'd disappeared after it grappled and wounded him. Instead, he muses about how Time Lords take a long time to die even when wounded too severely for regeneration, suggesting that's the state he's in.
** Did you miss the entire speech that he gave at the end? There are some deaths that even regeneration cannot cure. The body tried but it simply could not.
* When the doctor is killed by the veil, why doesn't he regenerate?
** Is there any actual death involved? Or is the castle, the veil & the transporter a tailored, repeating format the dial uses to elicit confessions. If so, is that how the dial usually works or are the Time Lord council using it to find the Hybrid?
** Time Lords are capable of stopping themselves from regenerating, like the Master did in "Last Of The Time Lords". Given the Doctors plan required him to return to the transporter room and create a new copy using his life energy it's likely that he stopped his regeneration on purpose.
** Except if he ''could'' still regenerate, doing so would have been the logical course of action: he'd have had plenty of time to come up with a better way to break through the wall than punching it, because the Veil'd disappeared after it grappled and wounded him. Instead, he muses about how Time Lords take a long time to die even when wounded too severely for regeneration, suggesting that's the state he's in.
** Did you miss the entire speech that he gave at the end? There are some deaths that even regeneration cannot cure. The body tried but it simply could not.
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** The Doctor notes to
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** Except if he ''could'' still regenerate, doing so would
** Indeed, so far as the
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[[folder:Location of the dial and the teleport]]
* When the doctor transported at the end of "Face the Raven", was he sent into the dial which was itself sent to Gallifrey or was the Doctor sent direct to Gallifrey and his confessions given at some other point (the recording being in existence since "The Magician's Apprentice")?
** The bracelet probably transmitted him into the dial. He did say that the maximum range for a long-range teleporter was about a light-year, and Gallifrey was a whole lot farther off than that, even ''before'' it got dumped into another dimension.
** That bracelet is probably very similar to the one Missy used in series eight.
* When the doctor transported at the end of "Face the Raven", was he sent into the dial which was itself sent to Gallifrey or was the Doctor sent direct to Gallifrey and his confessions given at some other point (the recording being in existence since "The Magician's Apprentice")?
** The bracelet probably transmitted him into the dial. He did say that the maximum range for a long-range teleporter was about a light-year, and Gallifrey was a whole lot farther off than that, even ''before'' it got dumped into another dimension.
** That bracelet is probably very similar to the one Missy used in series eight.
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* What was the Doctor's confession at the bottom of the
* When the doctor transported at the end of "Face the Raven",
** He said he hadn't left Gallifrey
** The bracelet probably transmitted him into the dial. He did say that the maximum range for a long-range teleporter
** That bracelet is probably very similar to the one Missy used in series eight.
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* Let me see if I've got this right: The Doctor made the Confession Dial, then someone or something made a deal with Ashildr to trap The Doctor inside his own Confession Dial, and then The Doctor broke through it into Gallifrey. Who's plan was this? Did The Doctor set up this insanely elaborate plan and then erase his memory in order for it to work? If he knew how to get to Gallifrey in the first place, why set any of this up? Or was this some plan somehow set in place by The Timelords from within the Time Locked Gallifrey?
** The Doctor notes to Ashildr that he has no idea how a Confession Dial ''actually works'', implying that he didn't build his own. Keep in mind, the Time Lords sent a message back in time into a child's head to get out of the Time Lock on the War, Rassilon sent the Master a White-Point Star from within the Time Lock, and they were able to send regeneration energy through The Crack on Trenzalore - in short, they're locked up, but not powerless. The functions of the Dial may very well have been engineered by them at any point before (or after, since they're big on closed-loop paradoxes) their return to get them out of the lock, and sent back in time to the day he picked it up.
** Indeed, so far as the Time Lords know, the Doctor's the only one left who might still ''want'' to bring them back, now that the Master/Missy knows how they'd been exploiting her since childhood. They're hoping he can manage it before the silly sod gets himself killed, but can't count on that given how dangerous his life is. It's very likely that they rigged his Confession Dial to ensure that if he died, he'd be downloaded into it Nethersphere-style and have one last posthumous chance to penetrate the Time Lock. Then they lucked out, and managed to manipulate Ashildr into transporting him into the thing while still alive, same as Missy could visit the Promised Land via her own bracelet.
* Let me see if I've got this right: The Doctor made the Confession Dial, then someone or something made a deal with Ashildr to trap The Doctor inside his own Confession Dial, and then The Doctor broke through it into Gallifrey. Who's plan was this? Did The Doctor set up this insanely elaborate plan and then erase his memory in order for it to work? If he knew how to get to Gallifrey in the first place, why set any of this up? Or was this some plan somehow set in place by The Timelords from within the Time Locked Gallifrey?
** The Doctor notes to Ashildr that he has no idea how a Confession Dial ''actually works'', implying that he didn't build his own. Keep in mind, the Time Lords sent a message back in time into a child's head to get out of the Time Lock on the War, Rassilon sent the Master a White-Point Star from within the Time Lock, and they were able to send regeneration energy through The Crack on Trenzalore - in short, they're locked up, but not powerless. The functions of the Dial may very well have been engineered by them at any point before (or after, since they're big on closed-loop paradoxes) their return to get them out of the lock, and sent back in time to the day he picked it up.
** Indeed, so far as the Time Lords know, the Doctor's the only one left who might still ''want'' to bring them back, now that the Master/Missy knows how they'd been exploiting her since childhood. They're hoping he can manage it before the silly sod gets himself killed, but can't count on that given how dangerous his life is. It's very likely that they rigged his Confession Dial to ensure that if he died, he'd be downloaded into it Nethersphere-style and have one last posthumous chance to penetrate the Time Lock. Then they lucked out, and managed to manipulate Ashildr into transporting him into the thing while still alive, same as Missy could visit the Promised Land via her own bracelet.
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[[folder:The Doctor making Veil as a threat]]
* So, was theConfession Dial]]
* Let me see if I've got this right:confession aspect of the trap just an ExcusePlot or did the creator of the whole scenario actually expect to get to know something about The Hybrid as a result of it? The Veil actually does very effectively kill The Doctor made the Confession Dial, then someone or something made on contact, so it's a deal with Ashildr genuine threat - but it's actually too much of a threat to trap be useful as a torture mechanism (since The Doctor inside his own Confession Dial, and then only has to resist once before, well, dying). The general theorisation here is that The Point was to get The Doctor broke to break through it into Gallifrey. Who's plan was this? Did to Gallifrey, but this seems like a needlessly complicated way to do that, as well (why have The Veil be this deadly if you want The Doctor set up this insanely elaborate plan and then erase his memory in order for it to work? If he knew how act most effectively to get to Gallifrey in through that wall). This feels more like it's actually intended as an existential punishment device, rather than an effective means at either of the first place, why set any of this up? Or was this some plan somehow set in place by The Timelords from within two previous ideas...
** Which also leads to theTime Locked Gallifrey?
**thought - who hates The Doctor notes enough to Ashildr do this to him? The Doctor has previously mentioned that nobody hates him as much as he has no idea how a Confession Dial ''actually works'', implying that hates himself...
** Or someone wanted him to be very pissed off when he finally got to Gallifrey.
** Or someone just plain didn'tbuild his own. Keep in mind, the Time Lords sent a message back in time into a child's head have any ''other'' way to get out of him there, and needed him to do so no matter how much it hurt or angered him.
** "Hell Bent" provides theTime Lock on the War, answer: Rassilon sent wanted to know what the Master a White-Point Star from within Doctor knew about the Time Lock, Hybrid, and they were able to send regeneration energy through The Crack on Trenzalore - in short, they're locked up, but not powerless. The functions of the Dial may very well have been engineered by them at any point before (or after, since they're big on closed-loop paradoxes) their return to get them out of the lock, didn't actually anticipate him spending four and sent back in time to the day he picked it up.
** Indeed, so far as the Time Lords know, the Doctor's the only one left who might still ''want'' to bring them back, now that the Master/Missy knows how they'd been exploiting her since childhood. They're hoping he can manage it before the silly sod gets himself killed, but can't count on that given how dangerousa half billion simulated years chipping away at a diamond wall with his life is. It's very likely that they rigged his Confession Dial to ensure that if he died, he'd be downloaded into it Nethersphere-style and have one last posthumous chance to penetrate the Time Lock. Then they lucked out, and managed to manipulate Ashildr into transporting him into the thing while still alive, same as Missy could visit the Promised Land via her own bracelet.
fists.
* So, was the
* Let me see if I've got this right:
** Which also leads to the
**
** Or someone wanted him to be very pissed off when he finally got to Gallifrey.
** Or someone just plain didn't
** "Hell Bent" provides the
** Indeed, so far as the Time Lords know, the Doctor's the only one left who might still ''want'' to bring them back, now that the Master/Missy knows how they'd been exploiting her since childhood. They're hoping he can manage it before the silly sod gets himself killed, but can't count on that given how dangerous
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* What was the Doctor's confession at the bottom of the grave? He realized that the Veil wouldn't kill him if he confessed, and stated "it was a lie, it was always a lie"; everything he said before that was too quick and... Scottish... to comprehend.
** He said he hadn't left Gallifrey because he was bored, he left because he was ''scared''.
* What was the Doctor's confession at the bottom of the grave? He realized that the Veil wouldn't kill him if he confessed, and stated "it was a lie, it was always a lie"; everything he said before that was too quick and... Scottish... to comprehend.
** He said he hadn't left Gallifrey because he was bored, he left because he was ''scared''.
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*
** They just spent billions of years scaring him to death. Now that he knows it's the Time Lords who were behind it, why wouldn't he want to return the favor?
** Because all the reasons why that secret could never be told should still apply just as much at that moment as it did one minute earlier when he was punching the wall.
** He couldn't tell them then because he wasn't ''on Gallifrey'' yet. If he'd admitted it while he was still trapped in the castle, they could've dumped his Confession Dial in the nearest trash-disintegrator and checked "Avert the Hybrid menace" off their To-Do list. Now it's too late: he's arrived, and their plan to identify the Hybrid has only succeeding in ''bringing'' him there, implying the prophecy is fated to play out despite their best efforts to stop it. And they'll '''know''' that.
** He may be lying through his teeth. There were *two* Time Lords of questionable provenance connected up to the Cloister Room during the [=McGann=] film, and the only other evidence of the Doctor being half human comes from the Doctor's own lips (pathological liar) and something shown to the Master by the TARDIS - who would probably quite cheerfully lie to the Master as well. Russell T Davies- admittedly, no longer in the driver's seat- has always maintained that a) the [=McGann=] film is canon, and b) the Doctor is ''not'' half human. Perhaps the closing line is not so much a confession
** He
** He said
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[[folder:The Veil as a threat]]
* So, was the confession aspect of the trap just an ExcusePlot or did the creator of the whole scenario actually expect to get to know something about The Hybrid as a result of it? The Veil actually does very effectively kill The Doctor on contact, so it's a genuine threat - but it's actually too much of a threat to be useful as a torture mechanism (since The Doctor only has to resist once before, well, dying). The general theorisation here is that The Point was to get The Doctor to break through to Gallifrey, but this seems like a needlessly complicated way to do that, as well (why have The Veil be this deadly if you want The Doctor to act most effectively to get through that wall). This feels more like it's actually intended as an existential punishment device, rather than an effective means at either of the two previous ideas...
** Which also leads to the thought - who hates The Doctor enough to do this to him? The Doctor has previously mentioned that nobody hates him as much as he hates himself...
** Or someone wanted him to be very pissed off when he finally got to Gallifrey.
** Or someone just plain didn't have any ''other'' way to get him there, and needed him to do so no matter how much it hurt or angered him.
** "Hell Bent" provides the answer: Rassilon wanted to know what the Doctor knew about the Hybrid, and didn't actually anticipate him spending four and a half billion simulated years chipping away at a diamond wall with his fists.
* So, was the confession aspect of the trap just an ExcusePlot or did the creator of the whole scenario actually expect to get to know something about The Hybrid as a result of it? The Veil actually does very effectively kill The Doctor on contact, so it's a genuine threat - but it's actually too much of a threat to be useful as a torture mechanism (since The Doctor only has to resist once before, well, dying). The general theorisation here is that The Point was to get The Doctor to break through to Gallifrey, but this seems like a needlessly complicated way to do that, as well (why have The Veil be this deadly if you want The Doctor to act most effectively to get through that wall). This feels more like it's actually intended as an existential punishment device, rather than an effective means at either of the two previous ideas...
** Which also leads to the thought - who hates The Doctor enough to do this to him? The Doctor has previously mentioned that nobody hates him as much as he hates himself...
** Or someone wanted him to be very pissed off when he finally got to Gallifrey.
** Or someone just plain didn't have any ''other'' way to get him there, and needed him to do so no matter how much it hurt or angered him.
** "Hell Bent" provides the answer: Rassilon wanted to know what the Doctor knew about the Hybrid, and didn't actually anticipate him spending four and a half billion simulated years chipping away at a diamond wall with his fists.
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* So, was
* In the
** Possibly the
** Which also leads to the thought - who hates The Doctor enough to do this to him? The Doctor has previously mentioned that nobody hates him as much as he hates himself...
** Or someone wanted him to be very pissed off when he finally got to Gallifrey.
** Or someone just plain
** "Hell Bent" provides
*** Confirmed by WordOfGod [[http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-01-07/steven-moffat-has-filled-in-the-plot-holes-from-doctor-who-heaven-sent here]].
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* So, the Doctor is so determined not to reveal the truth about the Hybrid that he endures two ''billion'' [[note]]thousand million for those using the long scale...it seems implausible that they'd jump from hundreds of millions to millions of millions quite that suddenly[[/note]] years of repeated torture and death....and as soon as he escapes the trap meant to force the truth out of him, he just spills the beans for no apparent reason?
** They just spent billions of years scaring him to death. Now that he knows it's the Time Lords who were behind it, why wouldn't he want to return the favor?
** Because all the reasons why that secret could never be told should still apply just as much at that moment as it did one minute earlier when he was punching the wall.
** He couldn't tell them then because he wasn't ''on Gallifrey'' yet. If he'd admitted it while he was still trapped in the castle, they could've dumped his Confession Dial in the nearest trash-disintegrator and checked "Avert the Hybrid menace" off their To-Do list. Now it's too late: he's arrived, and their plan to identify the Hybrid has only succeeding in ''bringing'' him there, implying the prophecy is fated to play out despite their best efforts to stop it. And they'll '''know''' that.
** He may be lying through his teeth. There were *two* Time Lords of questionable provenance connected up to the Cloister Room during the [=McGann=] film, and the only other evidence of the Doctor being half human comes from the Doctor's own lips (pathological liar) and something shown to the Master by the TARDIS - who would probably quite cheerfully lie to the Master as well. Russell T Davies- admittedly, no longer in the driver's seat- has always maintained that a) the [=McGann=] film is canon, and b) the Doctor is ''not'' half human. Perhaps the closing line is not so much a confession as it is "Right, now to scare the Time Lords silly by telling them the Hybrid is coming for them, to keep them off the scent while I try to figure out what the hell to do about the *real* Hybrid...
** He is doing it for dramatic effect, to convince any eavesdroppers that he really does know. But he slips the sonic sunglasses on just before speaking the last two words. Maybe he's deliberately using the sunglasses to generate some kind of interference field so the eavesdroppers can't hear the last part of what he says.
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[[folder:Repeating the loop]]
* In the billions of years that the Doctor is there does he do anything slightly different each time he is there like turning left instead of right?
** Possibly the first few iterations didn't get far enough to reach Room 12, and had to crawl back to the entry chamber without ever seeing the crystal wall. But as soon as one of him happened to win through, the others to follow would do exactly the same thing each time, because his previous selves had left the necessary help (BIRD, dry clothes) for him to solve the puzzle. From that point, all his iterations' lives were pretty much the same, because they all have the same mind and make the same choices; at most, a few might have beat the odds and ''not'' passed out when they dove into the water, but they'd just have surfaced a little faster and completed their cycles a tiny bit sooner.
*** Confirmed by WordOfGod [[http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-01-07/steven-moffat-has-filled-in-the-plot-holes-from-doctor-who-heaven-sent here]].
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* So, the Doctor is so determined not to reveal the truth about the Hybrid that he endures two ''billion'' [[note]]thousand million for those using the long scale...it seems implausible that they'd jump from hundreds of millions to millions of millions quite that suddenly[[/note]] years of repeated torture and death....and as soon as he escapes the trap meant to force the truth out of him, he just spills the beans for no apparent reason?
** They just spent billions of years scaring him to death. Now that he knows it's the Time Lords who were behind it, why wouldn't he want to return the favor?
** Because all the reasons why that secret could never be told should still apply just as much at that moment as it did one minute earlier when he was punching the wall.
** He couldn't tell them then because he wasn't ''on Gallifrey'' yet. If he'd admitted it while he was still trapped in the castle, they could've dumped his Confession Dial in the nearest trash-disintegrator and checked "Avert the Hybrid menace" off their To-Do list. Now it's too late: he's arrived, and their plan to identify the Hybrid has only succeeding in ''bringing'' him there, implying the prophecy is fated to play out despite their best efforts to stop it. And they'll '''know''' that.
** He may be lying through his teeth. There were *two* Time Lords of questionable provenance connected up to the Cloister Room during the [=McGann=] film, and the only other evidence of the Doctor being half human comes from the Doctor's own lips (pathological liar) and something shown to the Master by the TARDIS - who would probably quite cheerfully lie to the Master as well. Russell T Davies- admittedly, no longer in the driver's seat- has always maintained that a) the [=McGann=] film is canon, and b) the Doctor is ''not'' half human. Perhaps the closing line is not so much a confession as it is "Right, now to scare the Time Lords silly by telling them the Hybrid is coming for them, to keep them off the scent while I try to figure out what the hell to do about the *real* Hybrid...
** He is doing it for dramatic effect, to convince any eavesdroppers that he really does know. But he slips the sonic sunglasses on just before speaking the last two words. Maybe he's deliberately using the sunglasses to generate some kind of interference field so the eavesdroppers can't hear the last part of what he says.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Repeating the loop]]
* In the billions of years that the Doctor is there does he do anything slightly different each time he is there like turning left instead of right?
** Possibly the first few iterations didn't get far enough to reach Room 12, and had to crawl back to the entry chamber without ever seeing the crystal wall. But as soon as one of him happened to win through, the others to follow would do exactly the same thing each time, because his previous selves had left the necessary help (BIRD, dry clothes) for him to solve the puzzle. From that point, all his iterations' lives were pretty much the same, because they all have the same mind and make the same choices; at most, a few might have beat the odds and ''not'' passed out when they dove into the water, but they'd just have surfaced a little faster and completed their cycles a tiny bit sooner.
*** Confirmed by WordOfGod [[http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-01-07/steven-moffat-has-filled-in-the-plot-holes-from-doctor-who-heaven-sent here]].
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[[folder: The buried clue]]
* Why did the Doctor leave the "I am in 12" clue buried so deeply (or at all)? I considered that maybe it was in an attempt to circumvent the whole "resetting" thing, but the chalk arrows pointing to the burial spot didn't reset, so why not just leave it at surface level? Also, why not mention something like "take the spade to 12"? Surely having a metal implement would shave off a few million years.
** Presumably "I am in 12" was the only thing he had the time to write before the monster caught up with him? Since we don't see the Doctor write those words during the loop that repeats in the episode, it must've gone happened in an earlier iteration where things went differently. Presumably in that iteration the monster could've appeared at any point while the Doctor was digging the grave and writing words, so he decided to keep the message as short as possible so that he would have the time to write it.
*** But still, why bury it? That takes a lot more time than just scrawling a message.
*** "Hell Bent" explains this. The Doctor has to keep the Time Lords believing that he knows what the Hybrid is, so some events needed to repeat with each cycle until he could punch through the wall. One of them was his declaration of why he left Gallifrey which only happened because the Veil cornered him while he was digging in the grave. He couldn't bypass it.
*** Things inside the castle revert, things outside of it don't. Presumably by burying the slab in the soil ''beneath'' the castle, an earlier iteration of Twelve managed to LogicBomb the reset mechanism, presenting it with something (that particular flagstone floor) which was both inside ''and outside'' the castle at the same time.
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[[folder: More on Room 12 vs. the rest of the castle]]
* Why is Room 12 the only part of the entire castle that doesn't reset with each cycle?
** Probably the individual rooms are designed to re-set themselves just before he returns to them. He never ''returns'' to Room 12: his next copy does.
** Everything ''inside'' the castle resets. Things ''outside'' of the castle do not. Hence, the skull which falls into the water escapes the reset. If it had fallen the other way, it would disappear each round. What is labeled as "12" is actually the way ''out'', that's the whole point of it. What is beyond that super-wall is outside of the castle, and apparently the "outside" area begins at the start of the wall.
* So given, by the end of it, the Doctor has done this billions of times. At minimum two billion, assuming he spends a full year in the castle each cycle which is quite generous, it's probably closer to a week or month. We see an entire lake full of skulls the first time we go through this at 7,000 years into the future. A billion is a really big number. Surely, by the time the Doctor gets that far, the lake would entirely fill up with skulls, thus eventually killing him when he lands on a compressed bedrock of skulls instead of the water. There's also the little issue that he seems to be getting more energy out of repowering the teleporter than he's putting into it. Each time the Doctor goes through it, he's creating a new skull. So either the Doctor should be getting weaker as the cycles go on, or the process is violating the law of Conservation of Mass/Energy.
** The skulls wear out and disintegrate from the weight of the ones above them as fast as he's adding them. The waves wash the bone dust away. As for the energy issue, who knows how much energy might be in his body when it's trying extremely hard to regenerate, but can't get the process started because it's too damaged? Surely enough to remake a body, because that's what it's normally used for.
** For that matter, shouldn't the skulls be intermixed with thousands of stools, broken glass, and bits of window frame? All of those things also fell into the water every cycle.
** The window and the chair are part of the castle's furnishings. They probably re-set no matter where they're moved to. After all, the castle can't afford to have one Doctor throw the shovels out a window and force all his successors to dig with their bare hands, can it?
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[[folder:Required time]]
* How long would it really take to punch through a wall ''20ft thick and 400x tougher than diamond''? Assuming the rate of the few punches he does, every 2 days...
** FridgeBrilliance: The wall wasn't actually Azbantium, but a manifestation of ''the Time Lock'' that keeps Gallifrey cut off from the universe. The Doctor's status as a Time Lord has previously allowed him to physically bull his way through Time-based obstacles, as per his ability to move with great effort when time was frozen in "Invasion of the Dinosaurs". In this case, that ability to ''force'' one's way through such barriers was exploited by the Confession Dial to ensure that '''only''' a legitimate Time Lord could break through, albeit in the cruelest way possible.
** Also, remember what the Half-Faced Man said in Deep Breath? The Doctor, like all Timelords, is stronger than he looks.
** Don't forget the effect that sheer time has on any substance. In two billion years even diamonds would turn into dust from nothing but contact with air. It's possible that the substance was growing increasingly brittle as the Doctor went along.
** His obstacle was a six-meter thick wall and he faced it about 300 billion times. This means that each time he had to wear out 20 picometers (20 * 10^-12) off the surface by average. Combined with his bounding box, that comes as about 0.018 cubic millimeters of the crystalline material, each iteration.
** Plus due to the gaining distance, progressive iterations would have more time to punch more.
** And probably more enthusiasm, as they'd be able to see clear evidence that he's going to make it eventually.
** The best guess of the Sisterhood is that the Doctor was inside the dial for 4.5 billion "years," as indicated by the simulated sky outside the simulated castle, and always remembering he has no memory of previous loops, starting each loop with the same body and the same memories. Assuming the Doctor reaches room 12 every two "days" of the simulated "years," that's 821,812,500,000,000 punching events. Call it about 822 trillion.
* How long would it really take to punch through a wall ''20ft thick and 400x tougher than diamond''? Assuming the rate of the few punches he does, every 2 days...
** FridgeBrilliance: The wall wasn't actually Azbantium, but a manifestation of ''the Time Lock'' that keeps Gallifrey cut off from the universe. The Doctor's status as a Time Lord has previously allowed him to physically bull his way through Time-based obstacles, as per his ability to move with great effort when time was frozen in "Invasion of the Dinosaurs". In this case, that ability to ''force'' one's way through such barriers was exploited by the Confession Dial to ensure that '''only''' a legitimate Time Lord could break through, albeit in the cruelest way possible.
** Also, remember what the Half-Faced Man said in Deep Breath? The Doctor, like all Timelords, is stronger than he looks.
** Don't forget the effect that sheer time has on any substance. In two billion years even diamonds would turn into dust from nothing but contact with air. It's possible that the substance was growing increasingly brittle as the Doctor went along.
** His obstacle was a six-meter thick wall and he faced it about 300 billion times. This means that each time he had to wear out 20 picometers (20 * 10^-12) off the surface by average. Combined with his bounding box, that comes as about 0.018 cubic millimeters of the crystalline material, each iteration.
** Plus due to the gaining distance, progressive iterations would have more time to punch more.
** And probably more enthusiasm, as they'd be able to see clear evidence that he's going to make it eventually.
** The best guess of the Sisterhood is that the Doctor was inside the dial for 4.5 billion "years," as indicated by the simulated sky outside the simulated castle, and always remembering he has no memory of previous loops, starting each loop with the same body and the same memories. Assuming the Doctor reaches room 12 every two "days" of the simulated "years," that's 821,812,500,000,000 punching events. Call it about 822 trillion.
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* How long would it really take to punch through a wall ''20ft thick and 400x tougher than diamond''? Assuming the rate of the few punches he does, every 2 days...
** FridgeBrilliance:
** Also, remember what the Half-Faced Man said in Deep Breath? The Doctor, like all Timelords, is stronger than he looks.
** Don't forget the effect that sheer time has on any substance. In two billion years even diamonds would turn into dust from nothing but contact with air. It's possible that the substance was growing increasingly brittle as
* Why did the Doctor leave the "I am in 12" clue buried so deeply (or at all)? I considered that maybe it was in an attempt to circumvent the whole "resetting" thing, but the chalk arrows pointing to the burial spot didn't reset, so why not just leave it at surface level? Also, why not mention something like "take the spade to 12"? Surely having a metal implement would shave off a few million years.
** Presumably "I am in 12" was the only thing he had the time to write before the monster caught up with him? Since we don't see the Doctor write those words during the loop that repeats in the episode, it must've gone happened in an earlier iteration where things went
*** But still, why bury it? That takes a lot more time than just scrawling a message.
** Plus due to the gaining distance, progressive iterations would have more time to punch more.
** And probably more enthusiasm, as they'd be able to see clear evidence that he's going to make it eventually.
**
*** Things inside the
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[[folder:Second of Eternity]]
* The king asked "How many seconds are there in eternity?", not "What is a second of eternity?". And whether you use those special seconds or just plain old seconds, shouldn't the answer to the king's question be the same? There are infinite seconds in eternity.
** The point to the shepherd boy's answer isn't to give an actual number: it's to express to the king that counting off seconds is irrelevant to the "eternity" concept. ''Any'' finite amount of time, whether an actual second or the eons it takes the bird to wear down the entire mountain, is inconceivably brief from the perspective of eternity.
* The king asked "How many seconds are there in eternity?", not "What is a second of eternity?". And whether you use those special seconds or just plain old seconds, shouldn't the answer to the king's question be the same? There are infinite seconds in eternity.
** The point to the shepherd boy's answer isn't to give an actual number: it's to express to the king that counting off seconds is irrelevant to the "eternity" concept. ''Any'' finite amount of time, whether an actual second or the eons it takes the bird to wear down the entire mountain, is inconceivably brief from the perspective of eternity.
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*
** Probably the individual rooms are
** Everything ''inside'' the castle resets. Things ''outside'' of the castle do not. Hence, the skull which falls into the water escapes the reset. If it had fallen the other way, it would disappear each round. What is labeled as "12" is actually the way ''out'', that's the whole point of it. What is beyond that super-wall is outside of the castle, and apparently the "outside" area begins at the start of the wall.
* So given, by the end of it, the Doctor has done this billions of times. At minimum two billion, assuming he spends a full year in
** The skulls wear out and disintegrate from the weight of the ones above them as fast as he's adding them. The waves wash the bone dust away. As for the energy issue, who knows how much energy might be in his body when it's trying extremely hard to regenerate, but can't get the process started because it's too damaged? Surely enough to remake a body, because that's what it's normally used for.
** For that matter, shouldn't the
** The
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* Did Clara's portrait show its actual age, despite the bedroom's reversions? The Doctor judges it to be "very old" when he examines it in the first iteration shown, and a later shot when he's moving from room to room gave a glimpse of a chamber with empty picture frames on its walls. If so, did his later iterations only see an empty frame and a pile of disintegrated canvas dust which isn't a bad reminder of her absence in itself...?
** An earlier Doctor may have painted it.
*** The fact the Doctor painted the portrait was confirmed by Steven Moffat in an interview published in ''Doctor Who Magazine'' #495.
* Did Clara's portrait show its actual age, despite the bedroom's reversions? The Doctor judges it to be "very old" when he examines it in the first iteration shown, and a later shot when he's moving from room to room gave a glimpse of a chamber with empty picture frames on its walls. If so, did his later iterations only see an empty frame and a pile of disintegrated canvas dust which isn't a bad reminder of her absence in itself...?
** An earlier Doctor may have painted it.
*** The fact the Doctor painted the portrait was confirmed by Steven Moffat in an interview published in ''Doctor Who Magazine'' #495.
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** FridgeBrilliance: The wall wasn't actually Azbantium, but a manifestation of ''the Time Lock'' that keeps Gallifrey cut off from the universe. The Doctor's status as a Time Lord has previously allowed him to physically bull his way through Time-based obstacles, as per his ability to move with great effort when time was frozen in "Invasion of the Dinosaurs". In this case, that ability to ''force'' one's way through such barriers was exploited by the Confession Dial to ensure that '''only''' a legitimate Time Lord could break through, albeit in the cruelest way possible.
** Also, remember what the Half-Faced Man said in Deep Breath? The Doctor, like all Timelords, is stronger than he looks.
** Don't forget the effect that sheer time has on any substance. In two billion years even diamonds would turn into dust from nothing but contact with air. It's possible that the substance was growing increasingly brittle as the Doctor
** His obstacle was a six-meter thick wall and he faced it about 300 billion times. This means that each time he had to
** Plus due to the gaining distance, progressive iterations
** An earlier Doctor may
***
** And probably more enthusiasm, as they'd be able to see clear evidence that he's going to make it eventually.
** The
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[[folder:Confession dial workings]]
* So the Doctor was teleported into the Confession Dial. He told Ashildr in "Face the Raven" that he didn't know how it worked, and it was said earlier in the season that it could only open when he died. What was the point of the castle if the dial didn't actually contain the Doctor's confession? Why would it have contained a fragment of the Time Lock capable of being destroyed by the Doctor and the Doctor alone? Why would the Doctor have given the dial to Missy, if she couldn't have used it to get to Gallifrey (and it didn't have his confession ready to be played)? How did the dial itself get to Gallifrey from Ashildr (since we see it open to let the Doctor out at the end of the episode)?
** Possibly the dials are normally used to create a captive copy of a Time Lord's personality, whose intellect can be transferred into the Gallifreyan Matrix upon their final death. Each dial would need a communication-link to Gallifrey to do this, and the true nature of the dials would be kept secret from all but the highest-ranking Time Lords to ensure that link couldn't be exploited to hack the Matrix. When Gallifrey became Time Locked and trapped in its pocket universe, the link to the Doctor's dial got blocked by the crystalline wall, so instead of having to work his way into Room 12 just once, the Doctor had to ''punch'' his way in. The castle, Veil, and mechanisms were all custom-generated to drive him into Room 12 and goad him into entering; the fact it took him several billion tries was an unintended consequence of the blockage being there. By the time he managed it, his confession dial had been brought into Gallifrey in the same way that the white-point star diamond got ''out'' of the Time Lock for "The End Of Time", and had been adjusted so that it'd construct yet another copy of the Doctor's body for him to occupy there as he stepped through the link, instead of dumping his disembodied mind into the Matrix. Alternately, there are actually ''two'' copies of every confession dial: one to be carried by the Time Lord it belongs to, and another left safely behind on Gallifrey, both of them linked to the same BiggerOnTheInside pocket reality. As for why the dial requires confessions, it's to prime the deceased Time Lord personalities to give up all their secrets to the Matrix: something they'd otherwise be reluctant to do.
** The answer from "Hell Bent": the Confession Dial is designed to give dying Time Lords a chance to live peacefully and get whatever they need to off their chests before they're uploaded to the Matrix. The Doctor is rather angry that it was used to torture him into giving up information. Gallifrey escaped the Time Lock/pocket Universe on their own at some point offscreen, and the Dial was brought there so Rassilon could hear his confessions.
* So the Doctor was teleported into the Confession Dial. He told Ashildr in "Face the Raven" that he didn't know how it worked, and it was said earlier in the season that it could only open when he died. What was the point of the castle if the dial didn't actually contain the Doctor's confession? Why would it have contained a fragment of the Time Lock capable of being destroyed by the Doctor and the Doctor alone? Why would the Doctor have given the dial to Missy, if she couldn't have used it to get to Gallifrey (and it didn't have his confession ready to be played)? How did the dial itself get to Gallifrey from Ashildr (since we see it open to let the Doctor out at the end of the episode)?
** Possibly the dials are normally used to create a captive copy of a Time Lord's personality, whose intellect can be transferred into the Gallifreyan Matrix upon their final death. Each dial would need a communication-link to Gallifrey to do this, and the true nature of the dials would be kept secret from all but the highest-ranking Time Lords to ensure that link couldn't be exploited to hack the Matrix. When Gallifrey became Time Locked and trapped in its pocket universe, the link to the Doctor's dial got blocked by the crystalline wall, so instead of having to work his way into Room 12 just once, the Doctor had to ''punch'' his way in. The castle, Veil, and mechanisms were all custom-generated to drive him into Room 12 and goad him into entering; the fact it took him several billion tries was an unintended consequence of the blockage being there. By the time he managed it, his confession dial had been brought into Gallifrey in the same way that the white-point star diamond got ''out'' of the Time Lock for "The End Of Time", and had been adjusted so that it'd construct yet another copy of the Doctor's body for him to occupy there as he stepped through the link, instead of dumping his disembodied mind into the Matrix. Alternately, there are actually ''two'' copies of every confession dial: one to be carried by the Time Lord it belongs to, and another left safely behind on Gallifrey, both of them linked to the same BiggerOnTheInside pocket reality. As for why the dial requires confessions, it's to prime the deceased Time Lord personalities to give up all their secrets to the Matrix: something they'd otherwise be reluctant to do.
** The answer from "Hell Bent": the Confession Dial is designed to give dying Time Lords a chance to live peacefully and get whatever they need to off their chests before they're uploaded to the Matrix. The Doctor is rather angry that it was used to torture him into giving up information. Gallifrey escaped the Time Lock/pocket Universe on their own at some point offscreen, and the Dial was brought there so Rassilon could hear his confessions.
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** Possibly the dials are normally used to create a captive copy of a Time Lord's personality, whose intellect can be transferred into the Gallifreyan Matrix upon their final death. Each dial would need a communication-link to Gallifrey to do this, and the true nature of the dials would be kept secret from all but the highest-ranking Time Lords to ensure that link couldn't be exploited to hack the Matrix. When Gallifrey became Time Locked and trapped in its pocket universe, the link
** The
** The answer from "Hell Bent": the Confession Dial is designed to give dying Time Lords a chance to live peacefully and get whatever they need to
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* When the doctor is killed by the veil, why doesn't he regenerate?
** Is there any actual death involved? Or is the castle, the veil & the transporter a tailored, repeating format the dial uses to elicit confessions. If so, is that how the dial usually works or are the Time Lord council using it to find the Hybrid?
** Time Lords are capable of stopping themselves from regenerating, like the Master did in "Last Of The Time Lords". Given the Doctors plan required him to return to the transporter room and create a new copy using his life energy it's likely that he stopped his regeneration on purpose.
** Except if he ''could'' still regenerate, doing so would have been the logical course of action: he'd have had plenty of time to come up with a better way to break through the wall than punching it, because the Veil'd disappeared after it grappled and wounded him. Instead, he muses about how Time Lords take a long time to die even when wounded too severely for regeneration, suggesting that's the state he's in.
** Did you miss the entire speech that he gave at the end? There are some deaths that even regeneration cannot cure. The body tried but it simply could not.
* When the doctor is killed by the veil, why doesn't he regenerate?
** Is there any actual death involved? Or is the castle, the veil & the transporter a tailored, repeating format the dial uses to elicit confessions. If so, is that how the dial usually works or are the Time Lord council using it to find the Hybrid?
** Time Lords are capable of stopping themselves from regenerating, like the Master did in "Last Of The Time Lords". Given the Doctors plan required him to return to the transporter room and create a new copy using his life energy it's likely that he stopped his regeneration on purpose.
** Except if he ''could'' still regenerate, doing so would have been the logical course of action: he'd have had plenty of time to come up with a better way to break through the wall than punching it, because the Veil'd disappeared after it grappled and wounded him. Instead, he muses about how Time Lords take a long time to die even when wounded too severely for regeneration, suggesting that's the state he's in.
** Did you miss the entire speech that he gave at the end? There are some deaths that even regeneration cannot cure. The body tried but it simply could not.
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** Is there any
** Time Lords are capable of stopping themselves from regenerating, like the Master did in "Last Of The Time Lords". Given the Doctors plan required him to return to the transporter room and create a new copy using his life energy it's likely that he stopped his regeneration on purpose.
** Except if he ''could'' still regenerate, doing so would have been the logical course of action: he'd have had plenty of time to come up with a better way to break through the wall than punching it, because the Veil'd disappeared after it grappled and wounded him. Instead, he muses about how Time Lords take a long time to die even
** Did you miss the entire speech that he
** An earlier Doctor may have painted it.
*** The fact the
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[[folder:Location of the dial and the teleport]]
* When the doctor transported at the end of "Face the Raven", was he sent into the dial which was itself sent to Gallifrey or was the Doctor sent direct to Gallifrey and his confessions given at some other point (the recording being in existence since "The Magician's Apprentice")?
** The bracelet probably transmitted him into the dial. He did say that the maximum range for a long-range teleporter was about a light-year, and Gallifrey was a whole lot farther off than that, even ''before'' it got dumped into another dimension.
** That bracelet is probably very similar to the one Missy used in series eight.
* When the doctor transported at the end of "Face the Raven", was he sent into the dial which was itself sent to Gallifrey or was the Doctor sent direct to Gallifrey and his confessions given at some other point (the recording being in existence since "The Magician's Apprentice")?
** The bracelet probably transmitted him into the dial. He did say that the maximum range for a long-range teleporter was about a light-year, and Gallifrey was a whole lot farther off than that, even ''before'' it got dumped into another dimension.
** That bracelet is probably very similar to the one Missy used in series eight.
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* So the
* When
** Possibly the dials are normally used to create a captive copy of a Time Lord's personality, whose intellect can be transferred into the Gallifreyan Matrix upon their final death. Each dial would need a communication-link to Gallifrey to do this, and the true nature of the dials would be kept secret from all but the highest-ranking Time Lords to ensure that link couldn't be exploited to hack the Matrix. When Gallifrey became Time Locked and trapped in its pocket universe, the link to the Doctor's dial got blocked by the crystalline wall, so instead of having to work his
** The
** That bracelet is probably very similar to the one Missy used in series eight.
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[[folder:The Doctor making the Confession Dial]]
* Let me see if I've got this right: The Doctor made the Confession Dial, then someone or something made a deal with Ashildr to trap The Doctor inside his own Confession Dial, and then The Doctor broke through it into Gallifrey. Who's plan was this? Did The Doctor set up this insanely elaborate plan and then erase his memory in order for it to work? If he knew how to get to Gallifrey in the first place, why set any of this up? Or was this some plan somehow set in place by The Timelords from within the Time Locked Gallifrey?
** The Doctor notes to Ashildr that he has no idea how a Confession Dial ''actually works'', implying that he didn't build his own. Keep in mind, the Time Lords sent a message back in time into a child's head to get out of the Time Lock on the War, Rassilon sent the Master a White-Point Star from within the Time Lock, and they were able to send regeneration energy through The Crack on Trenzalore - in short, they're locked up, but not powerless. The functions of the Dial may very well have been engineered by them at any point before (or after, since they're big on closed-loop paradoxes) their return to get them out of the lock, and sent back in time to the day he picked it up.
** Indeed, so far as the Time Lords know, the Doctor's the only one left who might still ''want'' to bring them back, now that the Master/Missy knows how they'd been exploiting her since childhood. They're hoping he can manage it before the silly sod gets himself killed, but can't count on that given how dangerous his life is. It's very likely that they rigged his Confession Dial to ensure that if he died, he'd be downloaded into it Nethersphere-style and have one last posthumous chance to penetrate the Time Lock. Then they lucked out, and managed to manipulate Ashildr into transporting him into the thing while still alive, same as Missy could visit the Promised Land via her own bracelet.
* Let me see if I've got this right: The Doctor made the Confession Dial, then someone or something made a deal with Ashildr to trap The Doctor inside his own Confession Dial, and then The Doctor broke through it into Gallifrey. Who's plan was this? Did The Doctor set up this insanely elaborate plan and then erase his memory in order for it to work? If he knew how to get to Gallifrey in the first place, why set any of this up? Or was this some plan somehow set in place by The Timelords from within the Time Locked Gallifrey?
** The Doctor notes to Ashildr that he has no idea how a Confession Dial ''actually works'', implying that he didn't build his own. Keep in mind, the Time Lords sent a message back in time into a child's head to get out of the Time Lock on the War, Rassilon sent the Master a White-Point Star from within the Time Lock, and they were able to send regeneration energy through The Crack on Trenzalore - in short, they're locked up, but not powerless. The functions of the Dial may very well have been engineered by them at any point before (or after, since they're big on closed-loop paradoxes) their return to get them out of the lock, and sent back in time to the day he picked it up.
** Indeed, so far as the Time Lords know, the Doctor's the only one left who might still ''want'' to bring them back, now that the Master/Missy knows how they'd been exploiting her since childhood. They're hoping he can manage it before the silly sod gets himself killed, but can't count on that given how dangerous his life is. It's very likely that they rigged his Confession Dial to ensure that if he died, he'd be downloaded into it Nethersphere-style and have one last posthumous chance to penetrate the Time Lock. Then they lucked out, and managed to manipulate Ashildr into transporting him into the thing while still alive, same as Missy could visit the Promised Land via her own bracelet.
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** Is there any actual death involved? Or is the castle, the veil & the transporter a
** The Doctor notes
** Time Lords
** Except if he ''could'' still regenerate, doing so would have been
** Indeed, so far as
** Did you miss the
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[[folder:Grave confession]]
* What was the Doctor's confession at the bottom of the grave? He realized that the Veil wouldn't kill him if he confessed, and stated "it was a lie, it was always a lie"; everything he said before that was too quick and... Scottish... to comprehend.
** He said he hadn't left Gallifrey because he was bored, he left because he was ''scared''.
* What was the Doctor's confession at the bottom of the grave? He realized that the Veil wouldn't kill him if he confessed, and stated "it was a lie, it was always a lie"; everything he said before that was too quick and... Scottish... to comprehend.
** He said he hadn't left Gallifrey because he was bored, he left because he was ''scared''.
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* What was
* When the doctor transported at the
** He said he hadn't left
** The bracelet probably transmitted him into the dial. He did say that the maximum range for a long-range teleporter was
** That bracelet is probably very similar to the one Missy used in series eight.
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[[folder:The Veil as a threat]]
* So, was the confession aspect of the trap just an ExcusePlot or did the creator of the whole scenario actually expect to get to know something about The Hybrid as a result of it? The Veil actually does very effectively kill The Doctor on contact, so it's a genuine threat - but it's actually too much of a threat to be useful as a torture mechanism (since The Doctor only has to resist once before, well, dying). The general theorisation here is that The Point was to get The Doctor to break through to Gallifrey, but this seems like a needlessly complicated way to do that, as well (why have The Veil be this deadly if you want The Doctor to act most effectively to get through that wall). This feels more like it's actually intended as an existential punishment device, rather than an effective means at either of the two previous ideas...
** Which also leads to the thought - who hates The Doctor enough to do this to him? The Doctor has previously mentioned that nobody hates him as much as he hates himself...
** Or someone wanted him to be very pissed off when he finally got to Gallifrey.
** Or someone just plain didn't have any ''other'' way to get him there, and needed him to do so no matter how much it hurt or angered him.
** "Hell Bent" provides the answer: Rassilon wanted to know what the Doctor knew about the Hybrid, and didn't actually anticipate him spending four and a half billion simulated years chipping away at a diamond wall with his fists.
* So, was the confession aspect of the trap just an ExcusePlot or did the creator of the whole scenario actually expect to get to know something about The Hybrid as a result of it? The Veil actually does very effectively kill The Doctor on contact, so it's a genuine threat - but it's actually too much of a threat to be useful as a torture mechanism (since The Doctor only has to resist once before, well, dying). The general theorisation here is that The Point was to get The Doctor to break through to Gallifrey, but this seems like a needlessly complicated way to do that, as well (why have The Veil be this deadly if you want The Doctor to act most effectively to get through that wall). This feels more like it's actually intended as an existential punishment device, rather than an effective means at either of the two previous ideas...
** Which also leads to the thought - who hates The Doctor enough to do this to him? The Doctor has previously mentioned that nobody hates him as much as he hates himself...
** Or someone wanted him to be very pissed off when he finally got to Gallifrey.
** Or someone just plain didn't have any ''other'' way to get him there, and needed him to do so no matter how much it hurt or angered him.
** "Hell Bent" provides the answer: Rassilon wanted to know what the Doctor knew about the Hybrid, and didn't actually anticipate him spending four and a half billion simulated years chipping away at a diamond wall with his fists.
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[[folder:The Veil as a threat]]
* So, wasDoctor making the confession aspect of the trap just an ExcusePlot or did the creator of the whole scenario actually expect to get to know something about The Hybrid as a result of it? The Veil actually does very effectively kill Confession Dial]]
* Let me see if I've got this right: The Doctoron contact, so it's made the Confession Dial, then someone or something made a genuine threat - but it's actually too much of a threat deal with Ashildr to be useful as a torture mechanism (since trap The Doctor only has to resist once before, well, dying). The general theorisation here is that The Point was to get inside his own Confession Dial, and then The Doctor to break broke through to Gallifrey, but this seems like a needlessly complicated way to do that, as well (why have The Veil be this deadly if you want it into Gallifrey. Who's plan was this? Did The Doctor set up this insanely elaborate plan and then erase his memory in order for it to act most effectively work? If he knew how to get through that wall). This feels more like it's actually intended as an existential punishment device, rather than an effective means at either of to Gallifrey in the two previous ideas...
** Which also leads tofirst place, why set any of this up? Or was this some plan somehow set in place by The Timelords from within the thought - who hates Time Locked Gallifrey?
** The Doctorenough notes to do this to him? The Doctor has previously mentioned Ashildr that nobody hates him as much as he hates himself...
** Or someone wanted him to be very pissed off whenhas no idea how a Confession Dial ''actually works'', implying that he finally got to Gallifrey.
** Or someone just plaindidn't have any ''other'' way build his own. Keep in mind, the Time Lords sent a message back in time into a child's head to get him there, and needed him to do so no matter how much it hurt or angered him.
** "Hell Bent" providesout of the answer: Time Lock on the War, Rassilon wanted to know what sent the Doctor knew about Master a White-Point Star from within the Hybrid, Time Lock, and didn't actually anticipate they were able to send regeneration energy through The Crack on Trenzalore - in short, they're locked up, but not powerless. The functions of the Dial may very well have been engineered by them at any point before (or after, since they're big on closed-loop paradoxes) their return to get them out of the lock, and sent back in time to the day he picked it up.
** Indeed, so far as the Time Lords know, the Doctor's the only one left who might still ''want'' to bring them back, now that the Master/Missy knows how they'd been exploiting her since childhood. They're hoping he can manage it before the silly sod gets himself killed, but can't count on that given how dangerous his life is. It's very likely that they rigged his Confession Dial to ensure that if he died, he'd be downloaded into it Nethersphere-style and have one last posthumous chance to penetrate the Time Lock. Then they lucked out, and managed to manipulate Ashildr into transporting himspending four and a half billion simulated years chipping away at a diamond wall with his fists.into the thing while still alive, same as Missy could visit the Promised Land via her own bracelet.
* So, was
* Let me see if I've got this right: The Doctor
** Which also leads to
** The Doctor
** Or someone wanted him to be very pissed off when
** Or someone just plain
** "Hell Bent" provides
** Indeed, so far as the Time Lords know, the Doctor's the only one left who might still ''want'' to bring them back, now that the Master/Missy knows how they'd been exploiting her since childhood. They're hoping he can manage it before the silly sod gets himself killed, but can't count on that given how dangerous his life is. It's very likely that they rigged his Confession Dial to ensure that if he died, he'd be downloaded into it Nethersphere-style and have one last posthumous chance to penetrate the Time Lock. Then they lucked out, and managed to manipulate Ashildr into transporting him
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* So, the Doctor is so determined not to reveal the truth about the Hybrid that he endures two ''billion'' [[note]]thousand million for those using the long scale...it seems implausible that they'd jump from hundreds of millions to millions of millions quite that suddenly[[/note]] years of repeated torture and death....and as soon as he escapes the trap meant to force the truth out of him, he just spills the beans for no apparent reason?
** They just spent billions of years scaring him to death. Now that he knows it's the Time Lords who were behind it, why wouldn't he want to return the favor?
** Because all the reasons why that secret could never be told should still apply just as much at that moment as it did one minute earlier when he was punching the wall.
** He couldn't tell them then because he wasn't ''on Gallifrey'' yet. If he'd admitted it while he was still trapped in the castle, they could've dumped his Confession Dial in the nearest trash-disintegrator and checked "Avert the Hybrid menace" off their To-Do list. Now it's too late: he's arrived, and their plan to identify the Hybrid has only succeeding in ''bringing'' him there, implying the prophecy is fated to play out despite their best efforts to stop it. And they'll '''know''' that.
** He may be lying through his teeth. There were *two* Time Lords of questionable provenance connected up to the Cloister Room during the [=McGann=] film, and the only other evidence of the Doctor being half human comes from the Doctor's own lips (pathological liar) and something shown to the Master by the TARDIS - who would probably quite cheerfully lie to the Master as well. Russell T Davies- admittedly, no longer in the driver's seat- has always maintained that a) the [=McGann=] film is canon, and b) the Doctor is ''not'' half human. Perhaps the closing line is not so much a confession as it is "Right, now to scare the Time Lords silly by telling them the Hybrid is coming for them, to keep them off the scent while I try to figure out what the hell to do about the *real* Hybrid...
** He is doing it for dramatic effect, to convince any eavesdroppers that he really does know. But he slips the sonic sunglasses on just before speaking the last two words. Maybe he's deliberately using the sunglasses to generate some kind of interference field so the eavesdroppers can't hear the last part of what he says.
* So, the Doctor is so determined not to reveal the truth about the Hybrid that he endures two ''billion'' [[note]]thousand million for those using the long scale...it seems implausible that they'd jump from hundreds of millions to millions of millions quite that suddenly[[/note]] years of repeated torture and death....and as soon as he escapes the trap meant to force the truth out of him, he just spills the beans for no apparent reason?
** They just spent billions of years scaring him to death. Now that he knows it's the Time Lords who were behind it, why wouldn't he want to return the favor?
** Because all the reasons why that secret could never be told should still apply just as much at that moment as it did one minute earlier when he was punching the wall.
** He couldn't tell them then because he wasn't ''on Gallifrey'' yet. If he'd admitted it while he was still trapped in the castle, they could've dumped his Confession Dial in the nearest trash-disintegrator and checked "Avert the Hybrid menace" off their To-Do list. Now it's too late: he's arrived, and their plan to identify the Hybrid has only succeeding in ''bringing'' him there, implying the prophecy is fated to play out despite their best efforts to stop it. And they'll '''know''' that.
** He may be lying through his teeth. There were *two* Time Lords of questionable provenance connected up to the Cloister Room during the [=McGann=] film, and the only other evidence of the Doctor being half human comes from the Doctor's own lips (pathological liar) and something shown to the Master by the TARDIS - who would probably quite cheerfully lie to the Master as well. Russell T Davies- admittedly, no longer in the driver's seat- has always maintained that a) the [=McGann=] film is canon, and b) the Doctor is ''not'' half human. Perhaps the closing line is not so much a confession as it is "Right, now to scare the Time Lords silly by telling them the Hybrid is coming for them, to keep them off the scent while I try to figure out what the hell to do about the *real* Hybrid...
** He is doing it for dramatic effect, to convince any eavesdroppers that he really does know. But he slips the sonic sunglasses on just before speaking the last two words. Maybe he's deliberately using the sunglasses to generate some kind of interference field so the eavesdroppers can't hear the last part of what he says.
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** They just spent billions of years scaring him to death. Now that he knows it's the Time Lords who were behind it, why wouldn't he want to return the favor?
** Because all the reasons why that secret could never be told should still apply just as much at that moment as it did one minute earlier when he
** He couldn't tell them then because he wasn't ''on Gallifrey'' yet. If he'd admitted it while he was still trapped in the castle, they could've dumped his Confession Dial in the nearest trash-disintegrator and checked "Avert the Hybrid menace" off their To-Do list. Now it's too late: he's arrived, and their plan to identify the Hybrid has only succeeding in ''bringing'' him there, implying the prophecy is fated to play out despite their best efforts to stop it. And they'll '''know''' that.
** He may be lying through his teeth. There were *two* Time Lords of questionable provenance connected up to the Cloister Room during the [=McGann=] film, and the only other evidence of the Doctor being half human comes from
**
** He said he
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* In the billions of years that the Doctor is there does he do anything slightly different each time he is there like turning left instead of right?
** Possibly the first few iterations didn't get far enough to reach Room 12, and had to crawl back to the entry chamber without ever seeing the crystal wall. But as soon as one of him happened to win through, the others to follow would do exactly the same thing each time, because his previous selves had left the necessary help (BIRD, dry clothes) for him to solve the puzzle. From that point, all his iterations' lives were pretty much the same, because they all have the same mind and make the same choices; at most, a few might have beat the odds and ''not'' passed out when they dove into the water, but they'd just have surfaced a little faster and completed their cycles a tiny bit sooner.
*** Confirmed by WordOfGod [[http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-01-07/steven-moffat-has-filled-in-the-plot-holes-from-doctor-who-heaven-sent here]].
* In the billions of years that the Doctor is there does he do anything slightly different each time he is there like turning left instead of right?
** Possibly the first few iterations didn't get far enough to reach Room 12, and had to crawl back to the entry chamber without ever seeing the crystal wall. But as soon as one of him happened to win through, the others to follow would do exactly the same thing each time, because his previous selves had left the necessary help (BIRD, dry clothes) for him to solve the puzzle. From that point, all his iterations' lives were pretty much the same, because they all have the same mind and make the same choices; at most, a few might have beat the odds and ''not'' passed out when they dove into the water, but they'd just have surfaced a little faster and completed their cycles a tiny bit sooner.
*** Confirmed by WordOfGod [[http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-01-07/steven-moffat-has-filled-in-the-plot-holes-from-doctor-who-heaven-sent here]].
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* So, was the
* In
** Possibly
** Which also leads to the thought - who hates The Doctor enough to do this to him? The Doctor has previously mentioned that nobody hates him as much as he hates himself...
** Or someone wanted him to be very pissed off when he finally got to Gallifrey.
** Or someone just plain didn't have any ''other'' way to get
** "Hell Bent" provides the
*** Confirmed by WordOfGod [[http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-01-07/steven-moffat-has-filled-in-the-plot-holes-from-doctor-who-heaven-sent here]].
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* So, the Doctor is so determined not to reveal the truth about the Hybrid that he endures two ''billion'' [[note]]thousand million for those using the long scale...it seems implausible that they'd jump from hundreds of millions to millions of millions quite that suddenly[[/note]] years of repeated torture and death....and as soon as he escapes the trap meant to force the truth out of him, he just spills the beans for no apparent reason?
** They just spent billions of years scaring him to death. Now that he knows it's the Time Lords who were behind it, why wouldn't he want to return the favor?
** Because all the reasons why that secret could never be told should still apply just as much at that moment as it did one minute earlier when he was punching the wall.
** He couldn't tell them then because he wasn't ''on Gallifrey'' yet. If he'd admitted it while he was still trapped in the castle, they could've dumped his Confession Dial in the nearest trash-disintegrator and checked "Avert the Hybrid menace" off their To-Do list. Now it's too late: he's arrived, and their plan to identify the Hybrid has only succeeding in ''bringing'' him there, implying the prophecy is fated to play out despite their best efforts to stop it. And they'll '''know''' that.
** He may be lying through his teeth. There were *two* Time Lords of questionable provenance connected up to the Cloister Room during the [=McGann=] film, and the only other evidence of the Doctor being half human comes from the Doctor's own lips (pathological liar) and something shown to the Master by the TARDIS - who would probably quite cheerfully lie to the Master as well. Russell T Davies- admittedly, no longer in the driver's seat- has always maintained that a) the [=McGann=] film is canon, and b) the Doctor is ''not'' half human. Perhaps the closing line is not so much a confession as it is "Right, now to scare the Time Lords silly by telling them the Hybrid is coming for them, to keep them off the scent while I try to figure out what the hell to do about the *real* Hybrid...
** He is doing it for dramatic effect, to convince any eavesdroppers that he really does know. But he slips the sonic sunglasses on just before speaking the last two words. Maybe he's deliberately using the sunglasses to generate some kind of interference field so the eavesdroppers can't hear the last part of what he says.
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* In the billions of years that the Doctor is there does he do anything slightly different each time he is there like turning left instead of right?
** Possibly the first few iterations didn't get far enough to reach Room 12, and had to crawl back to the entry chamber without ever seeing the crystal wall. But as soon as one of him happened to win through, the others to follow would do exactly the same thing each time, because his previous selves had left the necessary help (BIRD, dry clothes) for him to solve the puzzle. From that point, all his iterations' lives were pretty much the same, because they all have the same mind and make the same choices; at most, a few might have beat the odds and ''not'' passed out when they dove into the water, but they'd just have surfaced a little faster and completed their cycles a tiny bit sooner.
*** Confirmed by WordOfGod [[http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-01-07/steven-moffat-has-filled-in-the-plot-holes-from-doctor-who-heaven-sent here]].
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* So, the Doctor is so determined not to reveal the truth about the Hybrid that he endures two ''billion'' [[note]]thousand million for those using the long scale...it seems implausible that they'd jump from hundreds of millions to millions of millions quite that suddenly[[/note]] years of repeated torture and death....and as soon as he escapes the trap meant to force the truth out of him, he just spills the beans for no apparent reason?
** They just spent billions of years scaring him to death. Now that he knows it's the Time Lords who were behind it, why wouldn't he want to return the favor?
** Because all the reasons why that secret could never be told should still apply just as much at that moment as it did one minute earlier when he was punching the wall.
** He couldn't tell them then because he wasn't ''on Gallifrey'' yet. If he'd admitted it while he was still trapped in the castle, they could've dumped his Confession Dial in the nearest trash-disintegrator and checked "Avert the Hybrid menace" off their To-Do list. Now it's too late: he's arrived, and their plan to identify the Hybrid has only succeeding in ''bringing'' him there, implying the prophecy is fated to play out despite their best efforts to stop it. And they'll '''know''' that.
** He may be lying through his teeth. There were *two* Time Lords of questionable provenance connected up to the Cloister Room during the [=McGann=] film, and the only other evidence of the Doctor being half human comes from the Doctor's own lips (pathological liar) and something shown to the Master by the TARDIS - who would probably quite cheerfully lie to the Master as well. Russell T Davies- admittedly, no longer in the driver's seat- has always maintained that a) the [=McGann=] film is canon, and b) the Doctor is ''not'' half human. Perhaps the closing line is not so much a confession as it is "Right, now to scare the Time Lords silly by telling them the Hybrid is coming for them, to keep them off the scent while I try to figure out what the hell to do about the *real* Hybrid...
** He is doing it for dramatic effect, to convince any eavesdroppers that he really does know. But he slips the sonic sunglasses on just before speaking the last two words. Maybe he's deliberately using the sunglasses to generate some kind of interference field so the eavesdroppers can't hear the last part of what he says.
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* In the billions of years that the Doctor is there does he do anything slightly different each time he is there like turning left instead of right?
** Possibly the first few iterations didn't get far enough to reach Room 12, and had to crawl back to the entry chamber without ever seeing the crystal wall. But as soon as one of him happened to win through, the others to follow would do exactly the same thing each time, because his previous selves had left the necessary help (BIRD, dry clothes) for him to solve the puzzle. From that point, all his iterations' lives were pretty much the same, because they all have the same mind and make the same choices; at most, a few might have beat the odds and ''not'' passed out when they dove into the water, but they'd just have surfaced a little faster and completed their cycles a tiny bit sooner.
*** Confirmed by WordOfGod [[http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-01-07/steven-moffat-has-filled-in-the-plot-holes-from-doctor-who-heaven-sent here]].
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* So, is the Doctor dead? Are we going to see his clone on adventures from now on?
** His five-billionth clone, I guess. Yes.
** The Doctor's teleported plenty of times before this episode, so if you're applying that standard, he's been a "clone" for ''most of the series''.
** Since "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS1E5TheKeysOfMarinus" The Keys of Marinus]], that was the first time he was seen to teleport.
** He's teleported more recently, he escaped the "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E1AsylumOfTheDaleks Dalek Asylum ]]" using a teleport.
** I think the real question is: If this is not the Doctor, then why the hell should we care about him anymore? This man is a fake. A stranger. An imposter. Pick whatever word you like, he is not THE Doctor. That man died all the way back in his first incarnation and someone else took his place.
** If you want to go even deeper, I could always bring up the Cartmel Masterplan and argue that even the First Doctor himself is a lie.
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* If the whole thing is taking place inside of the confession dial, how can he get any information out of the location of the stars?
** Because the stars are moving naturally rather than resetting into position with the rest of the castle, and the Doctor can probably see light trails or something else super-visual that indicate to him that they've moved.
** Nothing super-visual is required. Over the course of thousands of years, stars naturally change their position relative to each other (and hence in the sky) as they don't orbit the centre of gravity of their galaxy at the same speed. (It has been noted that when the ancient Babylonians or whoever came up with the current constellations, the stars weren't quite in the same position as they were today, for example). So, the Doctor will be simply noting the pattern of stars in the sky has shifted and is giving a rough estimate of how much time has passed based on the size of the shift.
** Presumably because the sky is an accurate simulation of a real sky somewhere the Doctor knows, just as the water is an accurate simulation of a sea.
** I'm with the original questioner: If the whole thing takes place inside the confession dial, and if everything resets itself to its starting point except the magic wall the Doctor eventually punches through, why shouldn't the star pattern in the simulated sky reset too? It's not as if the Doctor is looking out from the confession dial into the actual, realtime sky. I'm also puzzled as to why everyone keeps saying that 4.5 billion years have gone by, and everyone is now at the end of the Universe. When and how did Gallifrey exit the pocket universe the Doctors put it into? When is it now? The Earth is roughly 4.5 billion years old, and I don't see anybody with vivid memories ot the creation of the Earth. Yet the civilians, military, and elite of Gallifrey remember the Time War vividly, as if the three Doctors had won the war only two years ago (in November 2013). They remember it so vividly they recognize the Doctor instantly even in a new regeneration.
** Um, did you miss the part where they have mastery over Time Travel? Even if they escaped the pocket universe at the beginning of our own, it's not too unbelievable for them to move their planet to the end of it, especially if they want to avoid all the other races. And considering they were trapped in a pocket universe, there's no reason that they should come back into the real one around 2013-15, they could easily have spent a few years in the pocket universe but emerged billions of years into the future. As for why they recognise him, the classic series showed Time Lords recognising each other after a regeneration instinctively on several occasions, so they same could be true here. And at the very least, the General and the War Council knew of his regeneration ("No Sir. All thirteen!") and considering the General is shown to now be on speaking terms with Rassilon and the High Council again, it's likely that they passed that on (and it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for it to be unlikely for thirteen versions of the same Time Lord and same TARDIS showing up in orbit to go unnoticed, explaining why the civilians knew, assuming the information wasn't leaked by the soldiers or even made publically available).
* How is the Doctor able to recognize the Gallifreyan sky two BILLION years in the future? Two billion years is a long time, even by astronomical standards. Not only would the relative positions of the stars have moved to such an extent as to be unrecognizable, a significant number of stars would have died/been born/gone supernova/been sucked into the galactic center/etc.
** Estimating one's temporal location from the stars is probably a basic skill young Time Lords learn, same as human Scouts learn orienteering by the stars. All they have to do is take a TARDIS field trip during Astronomy class, or stop off at a simulator-observatory programmed by other Time Lords who've been there.
** The Doctor once claimed to have been to every star in the universe, knowing how and when it would end. Knowing which stars remain after 2 billion years should still be possible.
** How is the Doctor able to recognize what year it is by licking his finger and holding it up into the breeze?
** It's not the Gallifreyan sky. The Doctor states early in the episode that he's only a light year from earth so the stars in the sky are basically earth's stars, not Gallifrey's.
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**The above troper is spot on. You have to remember that, from the rest of the universe's perspective, The Doctor is still popping up all over the 2000's and 2010's, not to mention the latter half of the 1900's, the year 300 trillion, the Elizabethan Era (a number of times), during Cleopatra's reign, a train in the future, a mansion in the past, etc. It's kind of hard to notice when a time-traveler is missing--he's still basically simultaneously appearing all over space and time, even while trapped in the dial. As a sidebar, it's the reverse of the reason why the time-lock was such a big deal. Even in the confession dial, the Doctor's past and future were sill "occurring." For the Time Lords locked in the time-lock, they weren't.
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** But clearly the teleport room is exempt of the reset, or the reset doesn't happen immediately after he dies, since the word BIRD remains there when he rematerializes. So why not leaves the shades in that room for the next incarnation to find?
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** Just to make for even more of a MindScrew: if the four-and-a-half billion years only count in the Doctor's memory, not in the chronological age of his body, then did his subjective age (i.e. age from the perspective of his memories) become a lot ''younger'' when his recollections of Clara were erased in "Hell Bent"? After all, a ''lot'' of his time inside the Confession Dial was spent thinking about Clara, and he's forgotten that part of each iteration.
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** Probably the shades would disappear as part of the reset if they weren't actually on his person, same as the bloody trail left behind when he crawls. WordOfGod has it that he had to think of burying that paving stone deeply in the garden - presumably, out of range of the reset - before even ''it'' would remain intact.
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** Even if somebody's noticed his absence, they may not be able to find the Confession Dial, let alone have any hope of freeing him from it: Time Lord technology is millions of years beyond anything UNIT or Torchwood ever mastered. Possibly Missy could break him loose, but she might think it's absolutely freakin' ''hilarious'' that he's trapped in there, and none of the other Time Lords on Gallifrey can risk crossing Rassilon until the Doctor incites them to toss the old tyrant out. Besides, if he returns to Earth in 2017 after 4.5 billion years of torment, and still looks the same, why would anyone realize he's been away any longer (from his perspective) than he usually wanders off for?
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* So billions of years pass and not only do the Time Lords never think to just free the poor, mad Doctor from his SelfInflictedHell and instead just let him get madder and madder, '''nobody in the universe cares that the greatest hero space and time have ever known, is missing?''' It's possible that all his friends, colleagues, loved ones, etc. across the eons just don't realize he's trapped and suffering since he ''is'' a constant wanderer, but still...you'd think Rigsy or Anahson and her mum would have raised the alarm with UNIT that he was effectively kidnapped, or UNIT might have noticed his TARDIS is abandoned and companion dead...
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* So billions of years pass and not only do the Time Lords never think to just free the poor, mad Doctor from his SelfInflictedHell and instead just let him get madder and madder, '''nobody in the universe cares that the greatest hero space and time have ever known, is missing?''' It's possible that all his friends, colleagues, loved ones, etc. across the eons just don't realize he's trapped and suffering, since he ''is'' a constant wanderer, but still...you'd think Rigsy or Anahson and her mum would have raised the alarm with UNIT that he was effectively kidnapped, or UNIT might have noticed his TARDIS is abandoned and companion dead...
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* So billions of years pass and not only do the Time Lords never think to just free the poor, mad Doctor from his SelfInflictedHell and instead just let him get madder and madder, '''nobody in the universe cares that the greatest hero space and time have ever known, is missing?''' It's possible that all his friends, colleagues, loved ones, etc. across the eons just don't realize he's trapped and suffering, suffering since he ''is'' a constant wanderer, but still...you'd think Rigsy or Anahson and her mum would have raised the alarm with UNIT that he was effectively kidnapped, or UNIT might have noticed his TARDIS is abandoned and companion dead...
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* So billions of years pass and not only do the Time Lords never think to just free the poor, mad Doctor from his SelfInflictedHell and instead just let him get madder and madder, '''nobody in the universe cares that the greatest hero space and time have ever known, is missing?''' It's possible that all his friends, colleagues, loved ones, etc. across the eons just don't realize he's trapped and suffering, since he ''is'' a constant wanderer, but still...you'd think Rigsy or Anahson and her mum would have raised the alarm with UNIT that he was effectively kidnapped, or UNIT might have noticed his TARDIS is abandoned and companion dead...
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* So billions of years pass and not only do the Time Lords never think to just free the poor, mad Doctor from his SelfInflictedHell and instead just let him get madder and madder, '''nobody in the universe cares that the greatest hero space and time have ever known, is missing?''' It's possible that all his friends, colleagues, loved ones, etc. across the eons just don't realize he's trapped and suffering, since he ''is'' a constant wanderer, but still...you'd think Rigsy or Anahson and her mum would have raised the alarm with UNIT that he was effectively kidnapped, or UNIT might have noticed his TARDIS is abandoned and companion dead...
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* Since the Doctor's sonic shades are with him, why doesn't he do anything with them to break out of the loop faster? While he crawls to the teleport room, he could record a detailed message describing the nature of the castle to his future self into the glasses memory. Then, instead of leaving the cryptic ''BIRD'' message behind, a message whose meaning he only figures out when he's already in Room 12, he could leave the ''shades'' behind for his future iteration to found. At the very least, he could record the message, ''bring the spade with you to Room 12!'', into the shades, thus making the process of digging through Room 12's wall faster. That's the least he could do, but given the Doctor's skills, it shouldn't be impossible to re-engineer the glasses into some kind of laser or force beam device, which would make the process even shorter.
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* Since the Doctor's sonic shades are with him, why doesn't he do anything with them to break out of the loop faster? While he crawls to the teleport room, he could record a detailed message describing the nature of the castle to his future self into the glasses memory. Then, instead of leaving the cryptic ''BIRD'' message behind, a message whose meaning he only figures out when he's already in Room 12, he could leave the ''shades'' behind for his future iteration to found. At the very least, he could record the message, ''bring ''Bring the spade with you to Room 12!'', into the shades, thus making the process of digging through Room 12's wall faster. That's the least he could do, but given the Doctor's skills, it shouldn't be impossible to re-engineer the glasses into some kind of laser or force beam device, which would make the process even shorter.
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* Since the Doctor's sonic shades are with him, why doesn't he do anything with them to break out of the loop faster? While he crawls to the teleport room, he could record a detailed message describing the nature of the castle to his future self into the glasses memory. Then, instead of leaving the cryptic ''BIRD'' message behind, a message whose meaning he only figures out when he's already in Room 12, he could leave the ''shades'' behind for his future iteration to found. At the very least, he could record the message ''Bring the spade with you to Room 12!'' into the shades, thus making the process of digging through Room 12's wall faster. That's the least he could do, but given the Doctor's skills, it shouldn't be impossible to re-engineer the glasses into some kind of laser or force beam device, which would make the process even shorter.
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* Since the Doctor's sonic shades are with him, why doesn't he do anything with them to break out of the loop faster? While he crawls to the teleport room, he could record a detailed message describing the nature of the castle to his future self into the glasses memory. Then, instead of leaving the cryptic ''BIRD'' message behind, a message whose meaning he only figures out when he's already in Room 12, he could leave the ''shades'' behind for his future iteration to found. At the very least, he could record the message ''Bring message, ''bring the spade with you to Room 12!'' 12!'', into the shades, thus making the process of digging through Room 12's wall faster. That's the least he could do, but given the Doctor's skills, it shouldn't be impossible to re-engineer the glasses into some kind of laser or force beam device, which would make the process even shorter.
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* Since the Doctor's sonic shades are with him, why doesn't he do anything with them to break out of the loop faster? While he crawls to the teleport room, he could record a detailed message describing the nature of the castle to his future self into the glasses memory. Then, instead of leaving the cryptic "BIRD" message behind, a message whose meaning he only figures out when he's already in Room 12, he could leave the ''shades'' behind for his future iteration to found. At the very least, he could record the message "bring the spade with you to Room 12" into the shades, thus making the process of digging through Room 12's wall faster. That's the least he could do, but given the Doctor's skills, it shouldn't be impossible to re-engineer the glasses into some kind of laser or force beam device, which would make the process even shorter.
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* Since the Doctor's sonic shades are with him, why doesn't he do anything with them to break out of the loop faster? While he crawls to the teleport room, he could record a detailed message describing the nature of the castle to his future self into the glasses memory. Then, instead of leaving the cryptic "BIRD" ''BIRD'' message behind, a message whose meaning he only figures out when he's already in Room 12, he could leave the ''shades'' behind for his future iteration to found. At the very least, he could record the message "bring ''Bring the spade with you to Room 12" 12!'' into the shades, thus making the process of digging through Room 12's wall faster. That's the least he could do, but given the Doctor's skills, it shouldn't be impossible to re-engineer the glasses into some kind of laser or force beam device, which would make the process even shorter.
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* Since the Doctor's sonic shades are with him, why doesn't he do anything with them to break out of the loop faster? While he crawls to the teleport room, he could record a detailed message describing the nature of the castle to his future self into the glasses memory. Then, instead of leaving the cryptic "BIRD" message behind, a message whose meaning he only figures out when he's already in Room 12, he could leave the ''shades'' behind for his future iteration to found. At the very least, he could record the message "bring the spade with you to Room 12" into the shades, thus making the process of digging through Room 12's wall faster. That's the least he could do, but given the Doctor's skills, it shouldn't be impossible to re-engineer the glasses into some kind of laser or force beam device, which would make the process even shorter.
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** It wouldn't be too much to think that, after a decade of debate over the Doctor's real age, and the script for "Day of the Doctor" indicating that he doesn't really remember his true age anymore, that this could act as the mic drop on how old the Doctor is. Once you get into the billions, age becomes meaningless. Physically, however, the Doctor is only a few days/weeks older than he was when Clara died on trap street.
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** It wouldn't be too much to think that, after a decade of debate over the Doctor's real age, and the script for "Day of the Doctor" indicating that he doesn't really remember his true age anymore, that this could act as the mic drop on how old the Doctor is. Once you get into the billions, age becomes meaningless. Physically, however, the Doctor is only a few days/weeks older than he was when Clara died on trap street.
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** When another Doctor visits the room, he leaves the door open and the wind blows some of the sand away into the sea, but leaves enough to write a new message.
* WordOfGod [[http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-01-07/steven-moffat-has-filled-in-the-plot-holes-from-doctor-who-heaven-sent confirms that:]]
** The first few loops lasted for many years each, with the Doctor having no clue that Room 12 was important.
** Originally he left his clothes to dry, changed into new clothes found in the castle, then returned to pick his own outfit back. However, once the loop changed and he didn't make it back to pick them again, the next Doctor found them waiting for him and left his own to complete the loop.
** The spade outside teleporter chamber, missing octagonal paving stone and the clue "I am in 12" buried under the dirt were not part of the original loop, but were left as clue by earlier Doctor, in order to get the next iteration into Room 12 much faster.
** The first few loops lasted for many years each, with the Doctor having no clue that Room 12 was important.
** Originally he left his clothes to dry, changed into new clothes found in the castle, then returned to pick his own outfit back. However, once the loop changed and he didn't make it back to pick them again, the next Doctor found them waiting for him and left his own to complete the loop.
** The spade outside teleporter chamber, missing octagonal paving stone and the clue "I am in 12" buried under the dirt were not part of the original loop, but were left as clue by earlier Doctor, in order to get the next iteration into Room 12 much faster.
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*** Confirmed by WordOfGod [[http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-01-07/steven-moffat-has-filled-in-the-plot-holes-from-doctor-who-heaven-sent here]].