History Headscratchers / DeusEx

*** The whole thing stinks of a adhoc set up. they have a couple of sentry guns. one they set up on the main door, the other in the stairwell and the last one to cover gunther, the bulk of their troops on the ground patrol around the main entrance with a few others covering the flanks and (judging by the one guy in the bunker) trying to take out UNATCO's power to further stall them. ontop of this the troops seam to be kitted out with whatever they happen to have (pistols, crossbows, one sniper rifle) implying it was a last minuet plan using whoever happen to be available at the time.

*** Page is the one to bring up UNATCO, however. He doesn't seem that worried, though, more wondering what 'other problems' Simons could be referring to (given the relatively equal status of Page and Simons, it might be that Page generally trusts Simons to handle his side of things on his own, and so isn't up-to-date on UNATCO and MJ-12 subversion thereof).

** It could be assumed that Daedalus is preventing Icarus from accessing JC's infolink anytime it likes as such limiting what Page is able to know. Also Alex states on Liberty Island, that they can switch off the infolink, suggesting that he and Tong simply changed the codes and only activate it when you're in the field, which is when Page and everyone else hounds you. or Alex and Tong change the codes and Icarus keeps breaking it, forcing them to change it again which would explain the sporadic communications.

** It could be assumed that Daedalus is preventing icarus from accessing JC's infolink anytime it likes as such limiting what page is able to know. also Alex states on liberty island that they can switch off the infolink, suggesting that he and Tong simply changed the codes and only actervate it when you're in the field which is when Page and everyone else hounds you. or Alex and Tong change the codes and icurus keeps breaking it forcing them to change it again which would explain the sporadic communications

*** Simple fact is Paul describes it as feeling like a bad case of the flu, now think of the worse case of flu you've had, your muscles ache, you're unstead on your feet, you can't really think straight, now try climbing a ladder, not an easy thing to do even with the adrenalin pumping, but instead try picking up a gun and shooting it, takes a lot less effort and there is historical precident for people who were very ill/injured fighting off attackers (jim bowie in the alamo for example who is said to have killed 6 guys with a knife while being bedridden), there's also the fact he's going for the heroic sacurifice so his little brother can escape instead of slowing him down and risking them both getting caught.

*** This actually might be justified. The soldiers are currently in the lower floors, and the helipad apparently accepts all sorts of clandestine transport all the time, and Jock was a regular flyer for them (and MJ12 hasn't entirely twigged to the fact he's a traitor by this point), so him landing is nothing special, though it's more or less stated that if they discover you are with him, his life is gonna suck, hence the urgency with which you have to get his chopper disengaged from the remote lock before he and you get your asses shot off. Also, note that later he is explicitly identified to be working with you as a fellow terrorist, so they wised up after you liberated his chopper. To be fair, it does seem odd that the two guards on the roof weren't doing shit, but from looks of the wine bottles lying around, they were probably drunk off their ass, and the other MJ12 guys (assuming you sneak up on them) were also taking a break, which makes things somewhat more plausible.

* The "Secret [=MJ12=] facility"... how come no-one at UNATCO noticed all those bots, MIBs, technicians and abducted scientists trailing through the base? Not to mention the Karkians and Greasels...

* What about the Ocean Lab? Why the hell did someone put one of only two UCs on the planet at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean? Why is the crew module as far as possible from the dock - that's a hell of a long way to schlep your luggage, even if it wasn't through labs? How did people get to and from the crew module before they dug that extra tunnel? Why does the tunnel contain the world's shortest (and least safe) railway? And how the hell did they get that mover/grader down there? Surely they didn't schlep ''that'' through the greasel lab?

** It seems plausible that the UCs were being used to manufacture [[spoiler:bioweapons such as Gray Death]]. Given that, the location makes sense.

** It could be just to stop the MJ12 and the Illuminati (and Helios to a lesser degree) from taking over the world and creating liberty is just what Tracer Tong tells himself to justify the aforementioned.

** It's more likely that MJ12 wanted ordinary people on the street to identify JC. He wouldn't be able to hide anywhere for very long with a few thousand people keeping an eye out for a suspicious man in a dark trenchcoat. But if that was the case, why not include some photos?

*** The idea behind a killswitch is that it kills when it's switched on. MJ12 and JC's handlers didn't know about Tracer Tong's ability to affect the nanites, and twelve hours isn't enough time to do anything significant, given travel times. Paul and JC's killswitches are, to the people that activate them, irredeemable weapons of murder. In addition, Simons isn't patient enough to wait for the killswitch, telling the troops to kill JC and Paul instead. The killswitch is a fail-safe, and a good one. It's only by using resources that MJ12 didn't know about that JC (and potentially Paul) are able to survive it.

* Why create JC and Paul and have them be raised as "normal" kids, if the goal was to have them be the elite, super advanced enforcers of MJ12 (And replacements for Gunther and Anna)? Why not raise them in full knowledge of MJ12's existence and thus be super loyal to "the cause" rather than risk them developping individually with their own set of morals? They could've taken Paul's mom out early, have Paul raised by MJ-12 and do the same to the clone, JC. Instead, they went, and when they see Paul's not turning out the way they want, eliminate the parents... Only to make JC grow up in some private school, where he can remain blissfully unaware of MJ-12 and grow out of their influence.

*** Says who? Not talking putting loyalty chips in them, only teaching them from childhood to support MJ12 and their goals and use their skills to widely serve their goals. I didn't say raise them as soldiers. I said raise them to ''believe in MJ12 and what it stands for''. Give them the skills and training to be fine agent. Just make sure their moral compass is MJ12's. Furthermore, the "MJ12 doesn't want mindless shock troops" kinda flies in the face of ''everyone'' there bitching whenever JC takes an approach that '''isn't''' the "Run in like a shock trooper" approach.
*** '' Furthermore, the "MJ12 doesn't want mindless shock troops" kinda flies in the face of ''everyone'' there bitching whenever JC takes an approach that '''isn't''' the "Run in like a shock trooper" approach.'' No. The dominant personalities of [=MJ12=] actually praise JC for forethought and restraint if he uses stealthy or nonlethal methods. The only ones who complain if JC shows restraint are Navarre, Hermann, and some UNATCO troops; both of the former are psychos, and Simons is vocally disapproving of Hermann's personality.

*** Not really considering that most children end up questioning the authority that they were brought up to follow. how many teens do you know who disapprove of the government despite always being told that the government is good. how many teens question the faith they are brought up in or the rules and laws that they are forced to follow as a kid. if JC was brought up in such a situation being told that MJ12 is good and that they must always be loyal to MJ12 they'll reach a point where they'll ask themselves "are they really good?" especially when they start to put 2+2 together and realise what they're doing.
** Try talking to anyone who is a member of a cult, a religious fundementalist, or has been brought up with strong beliefs (racism, political ect) especially if brought up in an enviroment with no other points of view. quite often they have the mentality "my view is the right one everything else is wrong all that evidence to the contrey is lies" which would make them useless as covert operatives as the moment someone says something they don't agree with they will tip their hand. it's one of the reasons the age old test for spies has always been to ask them something in what one suspects is their native language as they will instinctivly respond to it. where as if you've got someone raised in an enviroment where they are naturally exposed to multiple viewpoints they tend to get a greater apreciation for the one they are raised with and are better equiped to deal with situions where discression is key. otherwise MJ12 may as well just build 10,000 bots and set them lose to kill everyone rather than have someone who can infiltrate the enemy ranks, possibly sow discontent, use their discression and think outside the box (i.e instead of killing the guy you were sent to kill, talk to him in hopes of being led to the bigger fish or capture him in hope he can provide more information)beter to have a thinking soldier who can adapt and change plans based on new information than a mindless killer. the series P (MIB/WIB) agents are examples of those brought up to be totally loyal to MJ12 ignoring the unnatural skin colour and voices they still have an odd demeanour about them, one MJ12 trooper in the catacombs talks about how Hela (the WIB) freaks him out

* If you get spotted by an MJ12 trooper, he might say, "It's Denton. Remember the briefing." The troopers can say this line during the raid on the MJ12 hideout in Hell's Kitchen, so does this mean that their superiors briefed them about JC before he went rogue?