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*** Addiction and various bad habits are not really a product of rational decisions. Plenty of people in the twenty-first century do a lot of drugs or drink heavily, despite the adverse effects of both being known well. Obesity rates in developed countries have been rising for decades, despite this being a leading cause of death - none of that knowledge is enough to stop people from unhealthy eating habits. In a dangerous line of work like bounty hunting, people would smoke, because it's a good way to calm down a bit. Besides, smoking is very much a thing today, so it's entirely possible you're coming at this from the American perspective, where smoking is (from what I understand) more of a taboo than it is even in other developed nations. Unless most people you know lead incredibly healthy lives 24/7 and avoid anything with caffeine or alcohol in it, substitute any rationale you've heard for other addictive/psychoactive substances (again, including caffeine) and it'll work for "why people smoke". There's no reason people will become extremely health-conscious in a future, especially if they're leading unstable, dangerous lives and aren't financially stable (even in the real world, addictions and unhealthy behaviours are heavily correlated with poverty).

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*** Addiction and various bad habits are not really a product of rational decisions. Plenty of people in the twenty-first century do a lot of drugs or drink heavily, despite the adverse effects of both being known well. Obesity rates in developed countries have been rising for decades, despite this being a leading cause of death - none of that knowledge is enough to stop people from unhealthy eating habits. In a dangerous line of work like bounty hunting, people would smoke, because it's a good way to calm down a bit. Besides, smoking is very much a thing today, today (and knowledge about lung cancer is widespread enough for people to know better), so it's entirely possible you're coming at this from the American perspective, where smoking is (from what I understand) more of a taboo than it is even in other developed nations. Unless most people you know lead incredibly healthy lives 24/7 and avoid anything with caffeine or alcohol in it, substitute any rationale you've heard for other addictive/psychoactive substances (again, including caffeine) and it'll work for "why people smoke". There's no reason people will become extremely health-conscious in a future, especially if they're leading unstable, dangerous lives and aren't financially stable (even in the real world, addictions and unhealthy behaviours are heavily correlated with poverty).
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*** Addiction and various bad habits are not really a product of rational decisions. Plenty of people in the twenty-first century do a lot of drugs or drink heavily, despite the adverse effects of both being known well. Obesity rates in developed countries have been rising for decades, despite this being a leading cause of death. In a dangerous line of work like bounty hunting, people would smoke, because it's a good way to calm down a bit. Besides, smoking is very much a thing today, so it's entirely possible you're coming at this from the American perspective, where smoking is (from what I understand) more of a taboo than it is even in other developed nations. Unless most people you know lead incredibly healthy lives 24/7 and avoid anything with caffeine or alcohol in it, substitute any rationale you've heard for other addictive/psychoactive substances (again, including caffeine) and it'll work for "why people smoke". There's no reason people will become extremely health-conscious in a future, especially if they're leading unstable, dangerous lives and aren't financially stable (even in the real world, addictions and unhealthy behaviours are heavily correlated with poverty).

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*** Addiction and various bad habits are not really a product of rational decisions. Plenty of people in the twenty-first century do a lot of drugs or drink heavily, despite the adverse effects of both being known well. Obesity rates in developed countries have been rising for decades, despite this being a leading cause of death.death - none of that knowledge is enough to stop people from unhealthy eating habits. In a dangerous line of work like bounty hunting, people would smoke, because it's a good way to calm down a bit. Besides, smoking is very much a thing today, so it's entirely possible you're coming at this from the American perspective, where smoking is (from what I understand) more of a taboo than it is even in other developed nations. Unless most people you know lead incredibly healthy lives 24/7 and avoid anything with caffeine or alcohol in it, substitute any rationale you've heard for other addictive/psychoactive substances (again, including caffeine) and it'll work for "why people smoke". There's no reason people will become extremely health-conscious in a future, especially if they're leading unstable, dangerous lives and aren't financially stable (even in the real world, addictions and unhealthy behaviours are heavily correlated with poverty).
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*** Addiction and various bad habits are not really a product of rational decisions. Plenty of people in the twenty-first century do a lot of drugs or drink heavily, despite the adverse effects of both being known well. Obesity rates in developed countries have been rising for decades, despite this being a leading cause of death. In a dangerous line of work like bounty hunting, people would smoke, because it's a good way to calm down a bit. Besides, smoking is very much a thing today, so it's entirely possible you're coming at this from the American perspective, where smoking is (from what I understand) more of a taboo than it is even in other developed nations. Unless most people you know lead incredibly healthy lives 24/7 and avoid anything with caffeine or alcohol in it, substitute any rationale you've heard for other addictive/psychoactive substances (again, including caffeine) and it'll work for "why people smoke". There's no reason people will become extremely health-conscious in a future, especially if they're leading unstable, dangerous lives and aren't financially stable (even in the real world, addictions and unhealthy behaviours are heavily correlated with poverty).
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*** It also lived on in professional AV gear until digital tape (then solid-state) storage edged it out. Given the established timeline, there's all kinds of believability.
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** It's implied that Vicious got involved with Julia, but the relationship was extremely unhealthy (for obvious reasons). And given Vicious' penchant for betraying comrades, we don't know where in the timeline Spike almost died from the shootout that caused Julia to take care of him (and if perhaps it was Vicious who put him in that line of fire or abandoned him in the first place). It wouldn't be completely out there that Julia would fall in love with Spike, who is more gentler and kinder than Vicious. Being depraved enough to kill Julia if she didn't kill Spike in turn doesn't do Vicious much favors in the sympathy department.

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** It's implied that Vicious got involved with Julia, but the relationship was extremely unhealthy (for obvious reasons). And given Vicious' penchant for betraying comrades, we don't know where in the timeline Spike almost died from the shootout that caused Julia to take care of him (and if perhaps it was Vicious who put him in that line of fire or abandoned him in the first place). It wouldn't be completely out there that Julia would fall in love with Spike, who is more gentler and kinder than Vicious. Being depraved enough to kill Julia if she didn't kill Spike in turn doesn't do Vicious much favors in the sympathy department.department.
* In Session #18, Spike and Jet encounter numerous obstacles on their way to the abandoned museum's electronics department. The elevator shaft is inoperable, vents and several rooms are flooded with water, a significant portion of a maintenance ladder breaks away on them, and a stairwell is so completely eroded that only its metal safety rail is left standing. With all that in mind, how did Spike and Jet manage to carry both a VCR and a CRT TV from 28th floor basement all the way back up to the surface?
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** It's implied that Vicious got involved with Julia, but the relationship was extremely unhealthy (for obvious reasons). And given Vicious' penchant for betraying comrades, we don't know where in the timeline Spike almost died from the shootout that caused Julia to take care of him (and if perhaps it was Vicious who put him on that line of fire or abandoned him in the first place). It wouldn't be completely out there that Julia would fall in love with Spike, who is a more gentler and kinder than Vicious. Being depraved enough to kill Julia if she didn't kill Spike in turn doesn't do Vicious much favors in the sympathy department.

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** It's implied that Vicious got involved with Julia, but the relationship was extremely unhealthy (for obvious reasons). And given Vicious' penchant for betraying comrades, we don't know where in the timeline Spike almost died from the shootout that caused Julia to take care of him (and if perhaps it was Vicious who put him on in that line of fire or abandoned him in the first place). It wouldn't be completely out there that Julia would fall in love with Spike, who is a more gentler and kinder than Vicious. Being depraved enough to kill Julia if she didn't kill Spike in turn doesn't do Vicious much favors in the sympathy department.
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* Does no one else think that Spike is wrong for what he did to Vicious? It seems like they were friends and Spike backstabbed him like that. It's not like they could claim Spike has the moral highground since they were both in The Syndicate. Yes, Vicious is an evil bastard but Spike kinda has it coming.

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* Does no one else think that Spike is wrong for what he did to Vicious? It seems like they were friends and Spike backstabbed him like that. It's not like they could claim Spike has the moral highground since they were both in The Syndicate. Yes, Vicious is an evil bastard but Spike kinda has it coming.coming.
** It's implied that Vicious got involved with Julia, but the relationship was extremely unhealthy (for obvious reasons). And given Vicious' penchant for betraying comrades, we don't know where in the timeline Spike almost died from the shootout that caused Julia to take care of him (and if perhaps it was Vicious who put him on that line of fire or abandoned him in the first place). It wouldn't be completely out there that Julia would fall in love with Spike, who is a more gentler and kinder than Vicious. Being depraved enough to kill Julia if she didn't kill Spike in turn doesn't do Vicious much favors in the sympathy department.
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** I'm with the original troper; this one really JustBugsMe. We've terraformed moons and planets * and* they've had a chance to grow huge cities with skyscrapers * and* have had time to get old and decrepit looking? C'mon.

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** I'm with the original troper; this one really JustBugsMe.[[{{Headscratchers/Headscratchers}} Just Bugs Me]]. We've terraformed moons and planets * and* they've had a chance to grow huge cities with skyscrapers * and* have had time to get old and decrepit looking? C'mon.
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*** Interplanetary travel, not interstellar travel, and by all accounts the Gate Corporation 'does' have such a monopoly. As for not upgrading their security in 50 years, that's the point. Hex brought up this security flaw to his superiors when he was employed by the company and they brushed him off. He's betting that, 50 years later, they're still the same apathetic, money-grubbing assholes that they were when he was working there. It's why the trope AssholeVictim exists.
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Vicious' henchman is named Lin.


* "Jupiter Jazz:" Aside from all of the other Gren-related "headscratchers" and spoilers... at the end, we see a falling star. The Wise Magical Native American Guru dude says something like [[spoiler: "it's the soul of a fallen warrior - a pitiful soul, who could not find its way to the lofty realm that awaits us all."]] This originally was a Tearjerking Player Punch to this Troper, who finds [[spoiler: Gren's death]] painful enough without being told [[spoiler: he]] is a [[spoiler: "pitiful soul"]] who doesn't even deserve /heaven/, or something. But then, remember, someone else [[spoiler: died in that episode; Spike's old friend and Vicious' henchman, whose name escapes me.]] So then, which "fallen warrior" did this refer to? ... Either way, it pretty much sucks, and brings us back to the insistent theory that [[spoiler: even wise Magical Indian witch-doctors can be wrong, and Gren DID deserve to go to heaven or wherever, DAMMIT.]]

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* "Jupiter Jazz:" Aside from all of the other Gren-related "headscratchers" and spoilers... at the end, we see a falling star. The Wise Magical Native American Guru dude says something like [[spoiler: "it's the soul of a fallen warrior - a pitiful soul, who could not find its way to the lofty realm that awaits us all."]] This originally was a Tearjerking Player Punch to this Troper, who finds [[spoiler: Gren's death]] painful enough without being told [[spoiler: he]] is a [[spoiler: "pitiful soul"]] who doesn't even deserve /heaven/, or something. But then, remember, someone else [[spoiler: died in that episode; Spike's old friend and Vicious' henchman, whose name escapes me.Lin.]] So then, which "fallen warrior" did this refer to? ... Either way, it pretty much sucks, and brings us back to the insistent theory that [[spoiler: even wise Magical Indian witch-doctors can be wrong, and Gren DID deserve to go to heaven or wherever, DAMMIT.]]
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*** Betamax lived on in Japan quite a bit longer than anywhere else (plus it lived as a studio format because of it's higher quality)

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*** Faye was stated to have been 20 years old at the time of the Gate accident, and had been in Cryo for 54 years before she was revived, in 2068. That makes her born in 1994, the video taped in 2004 and her accident in 2014. Betamax was much longer lived on in Japan quite a bit longer than anywhere else (plus it lived as a studio format because of it's higher quality)in the west. Betamax was fairly popular for years, and in fact Sony didn't stop manufacturing Betamax players until 2002 and tapes until 2015!
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*** Wait, but if we apply {{Viewtiful Joe}} Slow-Mo and FF physics theory, then the fall would've had been a bazillion times worse as the impact waves stay around for longer!

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*** Wait, but if we apply {{Viewtiful VideoGame/{{Viewtiful Joe}} Slow-Mo and FF physics theory, then the fall would've had been a bazillion times worse as the impact waves stay around for longer!
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**** However Cosmonaut's pistols were still intended to be used only on land-and for their normal purposes rather than as a way of emergency propulsion. While NASA landed its astronauts in the ocean, Cosmonauts landed on dry land in the wilderness, leaving them potentially vulnerable to wild animals until they were picked up. Having a gun meant they could protect themselves if attacked, in addition to acting as a signal to their location.
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* The series is generally realistic is its violence and the results of which upon the human body (I.E. despite being cool and {{Badass}}, Spike still gets shot and cut all the time and suffers somewhat realistic physical damage to himself because of it, requiring recuperation). How then, after getting thrown backwards and upside down out of a church window which must have been somewhere between 50-150 feet off the ground, and landing most likely head-first upon stone/concrete, on the middle of a staircase no less, does he just get wrapped up in big band-aids, lie around for a week, and then is right as rain. And this was in one of the most serious episodes in the show no less.

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* The series is generally realistic is its violence and the results of which upon the human body (I.E. despite being cool and {{Badass}}, badass, Spike still gets shot and cut all the time and suffers somewhat realistic physical damage to himself because of it, requiring recuperation). How then, after getting thrown backwards and upside down out of a church window which must have been somewhere between 50-150 feet off the ground, and landing most likely head-first upon stone/concrete, on the middle of a staircase no less, does he just get wrapped up in big band-aids, lie around for a week, and then is right as rain. And this was in one of the most serious episodes in the show no less.
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*** Word of God seems to be that MPU is indeed downloaded from the satellite to Ed's computer.

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--->'''Jet:''' I wonder why we gave him away?\\

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** In fairness, Waltz for Venus had Faye also shoot guns out of five mens' hands in quick succession.


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** It may be a moot point anyway, since official sources have avoided confirming that that even ''is'' her given name.

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*** This is ''mostly'' an issue with the dub- in Japanese, the shopkeeper offers 200 woolongs- still not what you'd expect today, but she's probably looking to resell for a profit, and we don't know what post-Gate accident canine demographics look like.



--->'''Jet:''' I wonder why we gave him away?\\



** The 'frying' is probably a remnant of Dai Sato's original draft- apparently twice as long as it should've been and later adapted into a novel. Incidentally, the fusing brains thing isn't far off that version.



*** WordOfGod is that Chinese and English are the standard 'official languages', though others are clearly still spoken.



*** Nope, sorry, wrong. This is a myth perpetuated by Nasa "survival tests" from the 1970's. NASA never actually gave anyone pistols because the risk of catestrophic accident was just too high.

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*** Nope, sorry, wrong. This is a myth perpetuated by Nasa "survival tests" from the 1970's. NASA never actually gave anyone pistols because the risk of catestrophic catastrophic accident was just too high.
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** I'm pretty sure the program itself was with the bad guys, the chip is worthless without it.

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** I'm pretty sure the program itself was with the bad guys, the chip is worthless without it.it.
* Does no one else think that Spike is wrong for what he did to Vicious? It seems like they were friends and Spike backstabbed him like that. It's not like they could claim Spike has the moral highground since they were both in The Syndicate. Yes, Vicious is an evil bastard but Spike kinda has it coming.
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*** It can't be the Bewbs because she doesn't seem to be either of their types. Also, despite her competency as a bounty hunter, she still comes off as not contributing as much as she takes.
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** The gate incident happened in 2021, Faye's accident was never stated to have happened at the same time. All we know is that all records of it are gone due to the gate incident
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*** Not NASA, but the Soviets did provide their Cosmonauts withe firearms as part of a survival package. Additionally, they also mounted a machine gun on one of their space capsules for test firing.
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** The gate incident happened in 2021, Faye's accident was never stated to have happened at the same time. All we know is that all records of it are gone due to the gate incident
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** That scene was presented to us the same way ''every'' death had been shown in the series, and this is a universe were death is not cheap, where cheating death is a major deal (Spike's occasional Wile E. Coyote levels of accident-surviving-shenanigans notwithstanding). As such, I agree that there's no other way ''to'' take the scene but Spike's dying at its culmination.
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** The gates are a part of the whole SpaceWestern theme: they're the railroads that bring people to the frontier.
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*** THe way This Troper has heard it explained before is that Gren couldn't let go of his past and was so fixated on the war and Vicious. At the end of hte sries, Spike lets go and is able to free himself. Which is double-tragic but sort of makes sense...

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*** THe The way This Troper has heard it explained before is that Gren couldn't let go of his past and was so fixated on the war and Vicious. At the end of hte sries, the series, Spike lets go and is able to free himself. Which is double-tragic but sort of makes sense...
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*** THe way This Troper has heard it explained before is that Gren couldn't let go of his past and was so fixated on the war and Vicious. At the end of hte sries, Spike lets go and is able to free himself. Which is double-tragic but sort of makes sense...
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** I don't think it was fear of death (Spike's pretty resigned to that), just horror that the world had stopped making sense. A decaying orbit means you're going to be incinerated on reentry, which is a natural phenomenon and one of the risks you take when you climb into a starfighter. A fat maniac who makes bullets ''stop happening'' and only obeys physics when it's convenient is... not normal, in a very visceral sense.
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* The episode where Faye gets involved with collecting a Casino Chip from Spike, it contains data for accessing a major computer program that the equivalent of Interpol has been looking for years for. Why, after the "bad guys" are killed, is the chip worthless after the episode is over? Wouldnt there still be a reward from the Interpol group?

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* The episode where Faye gets involved with collecting a Casino Chip from Spike, it contains data for accessing a major computer program that the equivalent of Interpol has been looking for years for. Why, after the "bad guys" are killed, is the chip worthless after the episode is over? Wouldnt there still be a reward from the Interpol group?group?
** I'm pretty sure the program itself was with the bad guys, the chip is worthless without it.
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** Another possibility is that Ein manipulated them into it somehow, since he's significantly smarter than they are.

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