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*** It would have spread eventually, just not right away. And Britannia would still be open to trade, since you can't just close yourself off without going through economic stagnation. Roman-era Europe was actually very closely tied together, believe it or not. Britannia would have likely tried to learn all it could from Rome in order to help its own fortunes on the world stage, in the same way that Japan adopted Knightmare Frames for its own use. As for Arthur, [[SarcasmMode there's no way at all that someone from TheEmpire would ally himself with a smaller power for whatever agenda he had set for himself]]. [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial No way]]. [[SignatureStyle Not in Code Geass]].
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*** It would have spread eventually, just not right away. And Britannia would still be open to trade, since you can't just close yourself off without going through economic stagnation. Roman-era Europe was actually very closely tied together, believe it or not. Britannia would have likely tried to learn all it could from Rome in order to help its own fortunes on the world stage, in the same way that Japan adopted Knightmare Frames for its own use. As for Arthur, [[SarcasmMode there's no way at all that someone from TheEmpire would ally himself with a smaller power for whatever agenda he had set for himself]]. [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial No way]]. [[SignatureStyle Not in Code Geass]].
** He would never have been born. But if we consider AlienSpaceBats, then he'd likely be a member of ''some'' branch of the British Royal Family who has English (father's side) and American (mother's side) ancestry... who lives in Japan.
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** I'm wondering why no one stated that in episode 10, before the battle of Narita, there is a dialogue between Lelouch and C.C. and in the subbed version C.C. asks why Lelouch changed his family surname, but not his christian name Lelouch. This implies he / his family and therefore the royal britannian family is christian.
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** In regards to you Pizza Hut question, and all AlternateHistory questions... did anyone else get the feeling that it was all completely made-up? To put it succinctly, the reason why there's so many holes that we keep pointing out is precisely ''because'' these holes exist in-universe. With the power of Geass at the command of many [[MagnificentBastard clever leaders]] throughout history, C.C. may be the only one alive who knows the ''whole'' truth. What seems like DidNotDoTheResearch becomes quite confusing when you realize that Geass consists of an entire [[TheMasquerade Masquerade]] that spans the entire world and history of ''CodeGeass''. It wouldn't be the first time that the creators of the show outright lied to us. It's not like they can spoilt the series for us, so instead they offer [[RedHerring false leads]]. The FridgeBrilliance page says it best:
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** In regards to you your Pizza Hut question, and all the above AlternateHistory questions... did anyone else get the feeling that it was all completely made-up? To put it succinctly, the reason why there's so many holes that we keep pointing out is precisely ''because'' these holes exist in-universe. With the power of Geass at the command of many [[MagnificentBastard clever leaders]] throughout history, C.C. may be the only one alive who knows the ''whole'' truth. What seems like DidNotDoTheResearch becomes quite confusing when you realize that Geass consists of an entire [[TheMasquerade Masquerade]] that spans the entire world and history of ''CodeGeass''. It wouldn't be the first time that the creators of the show outright lied to us. It's not like they can spoilt spoil the series for us, so instead they offer [[RedHerring false leads]]. The FridgeBrilliance page says it best:
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So, to put it succinctly, the reason why there's so many holes that we keep pointing out is precisely ''because'' these holes exist in-universe. With the power of Geass at the command of many [[MagnificentBastard clever leaders]] throughout history, C.C. may be the only one alive who knows the ''whole'' truth. What seems like DidNotDoTheResearch becomes quite confusing when you realize that Geass consists of an entire [[TheMasquerade Masquerade]] that spans the entire world and history of ''CodeGeass''.
--> At first, the idea of having Pizza Hut in the series seemed like stupid Product Placement, but it now hits me that unless some really bad Inspite Of A Nail is going on, this is yet another sign that the "official history" in the series in complete b.s. —- Jordan
So, to put it succinctly, the reason why there's so many holes that we keep pointing out is precisely ''because'' these holes exist in-universe. With the power of Geass at the command of many [[MagnificentBastard clever leaders]] throughout history, C.C. may be the only one alive who knows the ''whole'' truth. What seems like DidNotDoTheResearch becomes quite confusing when you realize that Geass consists of an entire [[TheMasquerade Masquerade]] that spans the entire world and history of ''CodeGeass''.
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** A lot of it seems to be misinterpretation by the perverted Milly. It seems to be a running (mostly innocent) joke amongst their friends that Lelouch and Nunnally are "Married-Couple-Close". Remember, in one sound episode, Shirley is terrified that Lelouch will not love her, instead marrying Nunnally, Suzaku, or, at one point, ''everybody''.
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** It's brand new. Give them a few years and she'll probably elect to get it once it's available to the public.
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** Apparently, there are three AlternateContinuity mangas: the ''Lelouch of the Rebellion'' manga, the ''Suzaku of the Counterattack'' manga, and the ''NightmareOfNunnally'' manga. Then, there's the ''Strange Tales of the Bakamatsu'' manga which may be canon but is likely just a UniversalAdaptorCast story, taking the ''CodeGeass'' characters and placing them in the Edo-era. The new canon manga is called ''Renya of the Dark'' (or ''Black''), and is explicitly stated to take place in the canon anime timeline, in the equivalent to the ''CodeGeass'' Edo-era. Then there's a new anime series to be released (it's currently in the works). It's called ''Akito Of The Ruined Land'' (best current translantion), and it will take place in 2017 a.t.b., or, concurrently with Season 1. So no, neither are sequels, one's a prequel and the other is an interquel.
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** In case you haven't noticed, most of the people in ''CodeGeass'' are on par with the Olympian Gods in regards to beauty. And Nunnally is 14 years old, with Suzaku having been one of the only guys that Lelouch let near her for more than 5 seconds (aside from Rivalz, but he's... well, ''Rivalz''). Of course, part of it may have just been Lelouch encouraging it out of his own feelings...
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** Probably the same unlikely sequence of events that led to Lelouch getting thrown into a truck, taken to the ghetto, and dropped off right near his mother's old contractor...
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*** Actually, the second "evil thing" Lelouch did after becoming Emperor was capture the UFN representatives. The first being dismantling the nobility and Numbers systems, which resulted in civil uprisings that were put down. Once he did that and rejected her, Kallen fully tried to kill him with her own hands to make up for her apparently horrifically misplaced trust. Like Shirley before her, it may have been an attempt at a murder-suicide, but that's just speculation.
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** To add to that, the reason for Clovis not destroying or sealing the tunnels was not because it would threaten the Japanese economy, it was because it was too expensive. Clovis wasn't willing to spend that much money to stop the terrorists, because any casualties they caused were simply not important to him. Cornelia did destroy an entire ghetto - even if there was enough time for people to get out - just to lure out Zero. And most of those people would not have anywhere else to live. And the whole execution, not only of the Shinjiku Ghetto's population, but of fellow Britannians in the Babel Tower at the start of R2.
** It's more BlackAndGreyMorality. Britannia is quite obviously really, really bad, with the Numbers getting most of the suffering. Lelouch himself tried for the perfect "no ally or civilian casualties" solutions, though with a tendency towards flash and explosions, and those people who die as a result are because of things outside his control - like Diethard having Kallen kill Suzaku, Tamaki being far too trigger happy for his own good, C.C.'s brute force insertion of Babel Tower, Schneizel authorising an anti-city weapon in his own city, or simply not expecting people to be there. Though the novelisations' take on that is that Shirley's father was one of the scientists working on C.C., which is a logical interpretation of the events of the series, so the only major incident of civilians dying as a result of Lelouch is where [[spoiler: Euphemia is driven insane and Lelouch and Suzaku follow behind her.]] Which was unexpected, but a likely outcome of his intended action. Of course, many could argue that makes Lelouch "White", but he does murder several JLF officers because he thinks they're completely useless. Which they do seem to be, but that's not the point.
** It's more BlackAndGreyMorality. Britannia is quite obviously really, really bad, with the Numbers getting most of the suffering. Lelouch himself tried for the perfect "no ally or civilian casualties" solutions, though with a tendency towards flash and explosions, and those people who die as a result are because of things outside his control - like Diethard having Kallen kill Suzaku, Tamaki being far too trigger happy for his own good, C.C.'s brute force insertion of Babel Tower, Schneizel authorising an anti-city weapon in his own city, or simply not expecting people to be there. Though the novelisations' take on that is that Shirley's father was one of the scientists working on C.C., which is a logical interpretation of the events of the series, so the only major incident of civilians dying as a result of Lelouch is where [[spoiler: Euphemia is driven insane and Lelouch and Suzaku follow behind her.]] Which was unexpected, but a likely outcome of his intended action. Of course, many could argue that makes Lelouch "White", but he does murder several JLF officers because he thinks they're completely useless. Which they do seem to be, but that's not the point.
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*** This troper just assumed she drowned and had to walk.
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*** And you completely ignored Charles and Marianne.
*** From what I can tell, the two had thrown their will into the sword of Akashic. Once the sword was destroyed, so was Lelouch's parents.
*** From what I can tell, the two had thrown their will into the sword of Akashic. Once the sword was destroyed, so was Lelouch's parents.
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*** It might be just barely plausible that Suzaku could know how to pilot one but it beggars belief to claim that a school girl turned terrorist would have the slightest idea how to use them. Equally puzzling is how the heck Ohgi's group managed to actually get a Knightmare in the first place, according to one of the members they could barely get a bike before Lelouch took over.
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* Lost Colors and the kimonos. ''How''? '''''Why'''''? I thought Britannia suppressed almost everything remotely Japanese..Plus how did they get Nina into one?
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*** Annihilation is not the same thing as explosion, fission, or implosion. The closest analogy to annihilation is "cancels out"
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** Wouldn't the fact that Emperor Charles is trying to kill God imply he believes one exists?
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** Wouldn't the fact that Emperor Charles is trying to kill God imply he believes one exists? exists?
*** Yes. Atheism is nothing more than the complete and utter lack of belief in any higher power or afterlife. No theistic leanings whatsoever. Since he wants to kill a God, he believes in it. Ta-da, he ain't an atheist.
*** Yes. Atheism is nothing more than the complete and utter lack of belief in any higher power or afterlife. No theistic leanings whatsoever. Since he wants to kill a God, he believes in it. Ta-da, he ain't an atheist.
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** The fact that the prime minister in question is the Emperor's son makes the arrangement perfectly compatible with an absolute monarchy - there are some real life absolute monarchies where one of the king's brothers or sons is designated prime minister. At times I suspected that in Britannia's case the position was created specifically to give Second Prince Schneizel some position of power, since he is clearly more capable than First Prince Odysseus.
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**** Not unless he intended to knife himself then and there. It only activates in response to immediate danger which Suzaku actively wants to kill him.
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*** On top of that wouldn't the 'live' geass activate and prevent Suzaku from asking for it to be removed?
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** Three words: ChronicBackstabbingDisorder. SoYeah.
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** Three words: ChronicBackstabbingDisorder. SoYeah.
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*ThisTroper just finished watching both series, completely spoiled for the ending and entirely without being in fandom, and found ''both'' Lelouch and Suzaku (and most of the other main characters, honestly) to be sympathetic, rather tragic characters with noble aims (and some not-so-noble motives they deceive themselves about) who did some really horrible things to get results, and a tendency to get really irrational when it comes to people they love. And in the end they both acknowledged their and each others flaws and were willing to put aside their differences and personal issues to both achieve their aims and accept the punishment for their actions. So yeah, totally NotSoDifferent. But what do I know, I'm just someone who loves both characters...
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*ThisTroper just finished watching both series, completely spoiled for the ending and entirely without being in fandom, and found ''both'' Lelouch and Suzaku (and most of the other main characters, honestly) to be sympathetic, rather tragic characters with noble aims (and some not-so-noble motives they deceive themselves about) who did some really horrible things to get results, and a tendency to get really irrational when it comes to people they love. And in the end they both acknowledged their and each others flaws and were willing to put aside their differences and personal issues to both achieve their aims and accept the punishment for their actions. So yeah, Yeah, totally NotSoDifferent. But what do I know, I'm just someone who loves both characters...
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*I waited until the series ended before bring this up, but really, Charles di Britannia and his XanatosGambit wanted me to stop watching the series right there. Both the revelation of it, and what happened after wards. Apparently, [[spoiler:he had everything planned out from episode one? Not to mention the Asspull from the dead mom or TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt plan. I would actually call it a XanatosRoulette, but it didn't work, which made it somewhat more believable.]] At least it ended better, SoYeah...
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*I waited until the series ended before bring this up, but really, Charles di Britannia and his XanatosGambit wanted me to stop watching the series right there. Both the revelation of it, and what happened after wards. Apparently, [[spoiler:he had everything planned out from episode one? Not to mention the Asspull from the dead mom or TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt plan. I would actually call it a XanatosRoulette, but it didn't work, which made it somewhat more believable.]] At least it ended better, SoYeah...better...
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** In the picture drama referenced on the [[FetishFuel/CodeGeass Fetish Fuel]] page, the student council all cross-dress. The girls mostly go gaga over how pretty Lelouch looks in a dress and a long wig, and Nunnally says she's sad she can't see it. [[SoYeah That's it, basically]]. YourMileageMayVary on whether that remark was perfectly innocent or she really is a CovertPervert. There is actually another picture drama where she makes remarks that could be taken that way, namely episode 8.75 (the [[BeachEpisode Pool Episode]]); she asks Lelouch to "[[IfYouKnowWhatIMean train her in various ways]]" so she can be more like Cornelia, in reference to Milly saying Cornelia probably "trains in various ways with her male subjects".
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** In the picture drama referenced on the [[FetishFuel/CodeGeass Fetish Fuel]] page, the student council all cross-dress. The girls mostly go gaga over how pretty Lelouch looks in a dress and a long wig, and Nunnally says she's sad she can't see it. [[SoYeah That's it, basically]].basically. YourMileageMayVary on whether that remark was perfectly innocent or she really is a CovertPervert. There is actually another picture drama where she makes remarks that could be taken that way, namely episode 8.75 (the [[BeachEpisode Pool Episode]]); she asks Lelouch to "[[IfYouKnowWhatIMean train her in various ways]]" so she can be more like Cornelia, in reference to Milly saying Cornelia probably "trains in various ways with her male subjects".
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* The Black Knights after chapter 19 of R2 ''Hey, let's totally dismiss the guy who has helped us to become a real threat for the britannian empire, who has given us hope.Oh, and let's join the Brittanian prince, our major enemy in the past, for no reason. ''
To summarize:
**[[MsFanservice Kallen]]: Lelouch, I don't like this, but I'll have to kill you because... I dunno, guess I prefer blondes (Gino, Schneizel...) nevermind that I was your most loyal soldier and we had lots and lots of UnresolvedSexualTension.
**[[DistractedByTheSexy Ohgi]]: zOMG TITS!!1one Oh, yeah, I'll join you, Viletta.
**[[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Diethard]]: Everything is more interesting with the rebels. Therefore I'll join with Schneizel.
**[[TrueNeutral Rakshata]]: Meh, I'm happy making mecha.
**[[ChewToy Tamaki]]: WOAH WTF IS THIS GUY GOOD OR BAD?! I JUST WANNA FIGHT DAMMIT!
**[[TallDarkAndHandsome XingKe]]: If I joined Lelouch, the Tian Zi could be safer. But I'm gonna be the hero and rescue her!
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**[[MsFanservice Kallen]]: Lelouch, I don't like this, but I'll have to kill you because... I dunno, guess I prefer blondes (Gino, Schneizel...) nevermind that I was your most loyal soldier and we had lots and lots of UnresolvedSexualTension.
**[[DistractedByTheSexy Ohgi]]: zOMG TITS!!1one Oh, yeah, I'll join you, Viletta.
**[[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Diethard]]: Everything is more interesting with the rebels. Therefore I'll join with Schneizel.
**[[TrueNeutral Rakshata]]: Meh, I'm happy making mecha.
**[[ChewToy Tamaki]]: WOAH WTF IS THIS GUY GOOD OR BAD?! I JUST WANNA FIGHT DAMMIT!
**[[TallDarkAndHandsome XingKe]]: If I joined Lelouch, the Tian Zi could be safer. But I'm gonna be the hero and rescue her!
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* The Black Knights after chapter 19 of R2 ''Hey, let's totally dismiss the guy who has helped us to become a real threat for the britannian empire, who has given us hope.Oh, and let's join the Brittanian prince, our major enemy in the past, for no reason. ''
'' To summarize:
**[[MsFanservicesummarize:\\
--[[MsFanservice Kallen]]: Lelouch, I don't like this, but I'll have to kill you because... I dunno, guess I prefer blondes (Gino, Schneizel...) nevermind that I was your most loyal soldier and we had lots and lots of UnresolvedSexualTension. \n**[[DistractedByTheSexy \\
--[[DistractedByTheSexy Ohgi]]: zOMG TITS!!1one Oh, yeah, I'll join you,Viletta.
**[[ChronicBackstabbingDisorderViletta.\\
--[[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Diethard]]: Everything is more interesting with the rebels. Therefore I'll join with Schneizel. \n**[[TrueNeutral \\
--[[TrueNeutral Rakshata]]: Meh, I'm happy makingmecha.
**[[ChewToymecha.\\
--[[ChewToy Tamaki]]: WOAH WTF IS THIS GUY GOOD OR BAD?! I JUST WANNA FIGHTDAMMIT!
**[[TallDarkAndHandsomeDAMMIT!\\
--[[TallDarkAndHandsome XingKe]]: If I joined Lelouch, the Tian Zi could be safer. But I'm gonna be the hero and rescueher!
her!
** This kinda fails on several levels. To start, the initial betrayal did not even include Rakshata or Xingke. Rakshata only found out later. And really, what's she gonna do about it? She's in no position to change their minds. Xingke looked pissed when he finally found out, and by then it was far too late to change the game. Tamaki is Tamaki, but even he was the voice of reason (shocking, I know) almost the entire time. Furthermore, Diethard was against it the entire time, but realized that he couldn't talk them down. Kallen also refused to betray Lelouch, up until he broke her heart, and even then he negated it at the last second. She doesn't actually start fighting against him until he becomes Emperor and really starts being evil. Until that point, she tried to get the Black Knights to see reason. When that obviously wouldn't work, she tried to hunt him down to ask him the question she asked in 22, not to kill him. It's not as black and white as you're making it out to be.
**[[MsFanservice
--[[MsFanservice Kallen]]: Lelouch, I don't like this, but I'll have to kill you because... I dunno, guess I prefer blondes (Gino, Schneizel...) nevermind that I was your most loyal soldier and we had lots and lots of UnresolvedSexualTension.
--[[DistractedByTheSexy Ohgi]]: zOMG TITS!!1one Oh, yeah, I'll join you,
**[[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder
--[[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Diethard]]: Everything is more interesting with the rebels. Therefore I'll join with Schneizel.
--[[TrueNeutral Rakshata]]: Meh, I'm happy making
**[[ChewToy
--[[ChewToy Tamaki]]: WOAH WTF IS THIS GUY GOOD OR BAD?! I JUST WANNA FIGHT
**[[TallDarkAndHandsome
--[[TallDarkAndHandsome XingKe]]: If I joined Lelouch, the Tian Zi could be safer. But I'm gonna be the hero and rescue
** This kinda fails on several levels. To start, the initial betrayal did not even include Rakshata or Xingke. Rakshata only found out later. And really, what's she gonna do about it? She's in no position to change their minds. Xingke looked pissed when he finally found out, and by then it was far too late to change the game. Tamaki is Tamaki, but even he was the voice of reason (shocking, I know) almost the entire time. Furthermore, Diethard was against it the entire time, but realized that he couldn't talk them down. Kallen also refused to betray Lelouch, up until he broke her heart, and even then he negated it at the last second. She doesn't actually start fighting against him until he becomes Emperor and really starts being evil. Until that point, she tried to get the Black Knights to see reason. When that obviously wouldn't work, she tried to hunt him down to ask him the question she asked in 22, not to kill him. It's not as black and white as you're making it out to be.
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-[[MsFanservice Kallen]]: Lelouch, I don't like this, but I'll have to kill you because... I dunno, guess I prefer blondes (Gino, Schneizel...) nevermind that I was your most loyal soldier and we had lots and lots of UnresolvedSexualTension.
-[[DistractedByTheSexy Ohgi]]: zOMG TITS!!1one Oh, yeah, I'll join you, Viletta.
-[[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Diethard]]: Everything is more interesting with the rebels. Therefore I'll join with Schneizel.
-[[TrueNeutral Rakshata]]: Meh, I'm happy making mecha.
-[[ChewToy Tamaki]]: WOAH WTF IS THIS GUY GOOD OR BAD?! I JUST WANNA FIGHT DAMMIT!
-[[TallDarkAndHandsome XingKe]]: If I joined Lelouch, the Tian Zi could be safer. But I'm gonna be the hero and rescue her!
-[[DistractedByTheSexy Ohgi]]: zOMG TITS!!1one Oh, yeah, I'll join you, Viletta.
-[[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Diethard]]: Everything is more interesting with the rebels. Therefore I'll join with Schneizel.
-[[TrueNeutral Rakshata]]: Meh, I'm happy making mecha.
-[[ChewToy Tamaki]]: WOAH WTF IS THIS GUY GOOD OR BAD?! I JUST WANNA FIGHT DAMMIT!
-[[TallDarkAndHandsome XingKe]]: If I joined Lelouch, the Tian Zi could be safer. But I'm gonna be the hero and rescue her!
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* The Black Knights after chapter 19 of R2 ''Hey, let's totally dismiss the guy who has helped us to become a real threat for the britannian empire, who has given us hope.Oh, and let's join the Brittanian prince, our major enemy in the past, for no reason. ''
To summarize:
-[[MsFanservice Kallen]]: Lelouch, I don't like this, but I'll have to kill you because... I dunno, guess I prefer blondes (Gino, Schneizel...) nevermind that I was your most loyal soldier and we had lots and lots of UnresolvedSexualTension.
-[[DistractedByTheSexy Ohgi]]: zOMG TITS!!1one Oh, yeah, I'll join you, Viletta.
-[[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Diethard]]: Everything is more interesting with the rebels. Therefore I'll join with Schneizel.
-[[TrueNeutral Rakshata]]: Meh, I'm happy making mecha.
-[[ChewToy Tamaki]]: WOAH WTF IS THIS GUY GOOD OR BAD?! I JUST WANNA FIGHT DAMMIT!
-[[TallDarkAndHandsome XingKe]]: If I joined Lelouch, the Tian Zi could be safer. But I'm gonna be the hero and rescue her!
To summarize:
-[[MsFanservice Kallen]]: Lelouch, I don't like this, but I'll have to kill you because... I dunno, guess I prefer blondes (Gino, Schneizel...) nevermind that I was your most loyal soldier and we had lots and lots of UnresolvedSexualTension.
-[[DistractedByTheSexy Ohgi]]: zOMG TITS!!1one Oh, yeah, I'll join you, Viletta.
-[[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Diethard]]: Everything is more interesting with the rebels. Therefore I'll join with Schneizel.
-[[TrueNeutral Rakshata]]: Meh, I'm happy making mecha.
-[[ChewToy Tamaki]]: WOAH WTF IS THIS GUY GOOD OR BAD?! I JUST WANNA FIGHT DAMMIT!
-[[TallDarkAndHandsome XingKe]]: If I joined Lelouch, the Tian Zi could be safer. But I'm gonna be the hero and rescue her!
