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** He could've figured they would see him as an ordinary soldier and father and not attempt to follow in his footsteps and join the Ghosts.

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** He could've figured they would see him as an ordinary soldier and father and not attempt to follow in his footsteps and join the Ghosts.Ghosts.
** Yet he still wanted them to become Ghosts...
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** I believe that the devs read statement "Lake Titicaca is the highest navigable lake in the world" and extrapolated the erroneous corollary "it therefore has a navigable connection to the ocean."
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* What was so special about the Ghosts that Elias felt it was necessary to keep it a secret from his sons that he was one?

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* What was so special about the Ghosts that Elias felt it was necessary to keep it a secret from his sons that he was one?one?
** He could've figured they would see him as an ordinary soldier and father and not attempt to follow in his footsteps and join the Ghosts.
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** The use of the word 'destruction' might be an exaggeration, but a major war in the Middle East that involved a nuclear exchange would probably leave much of the world's oil supply destroyed or otherwise unobtainable. No oil = economic disaster. Ecologically, its hard to say what the effects would be without details.

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** The use of the word 'destruction' might be an exaggeration, but a major war in the Middle East that involved a nuclear exchange would probably leave much of the world's oil supply destroyed or otherwise unobtainable. No oil = economic disaster. Ecologically, its hard to say what the effects would be without details.details.

* What was so special about the Ghosts that Elias felt it was necessary to keep it a secret from his sons that he was one?

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* So Rorke's plan was to get captured by the Ghosts, have the Feds rescue him (and rip off The Dark Knight Rises in the process), but no other real objective?



** The use of the word 'destruction' might be an exaggeration, but a major war in the Middle East that involved a nuclear exchange would probably leave much of the world's oil supply destroyed or otherwise unobtainable. No oil = economic disaster. Ecologically, its hard to say what the effects would be without details.
* So Rorke's plan was to get captured by the Ghosts, have the Feds rescue him (and rip off The Dark Knight Rises in the process), but no other real objective?

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** The use of the word 'destruction' might be an exaggeration, but a major war in the Middle East that involved a nuclear exchange would probably leave much of the world's oil supply destroyed or otherwise unobtainable. No oil = economic disaster. Ecologically, its hard to say what the effects would be without details.
* So Rorke's plan was to get captured by the Ghosts, have the Feds rescue him (and rip off The Dark Knight Rises in the process), but no other real objective?
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** The use of the word 'destruction' might be an exaggeration, but a major war in the Middle East that involved a nuclear exchange would probably leave much of the world's oil supply destroyed or otherwise unobtainable. No oil = economic disaster. Ecologically, its hard to say what the effects would be without details.

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** The use of the word 'destruction' might be an exaggeration, but a major war in the Middle East that involved a nuclear exchange would probably leave much of the world's oil supply destroyed or otherwise unobtainable. No oil = economic disaster. Ecologically, its hard to say what the effects would be without details.details.
* So Rorke's plan was to get captured by the Ghosts, have the Feds rescue him (and rip off The Dark Knight Rises in the process), but no other real objective?
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**** That second point is actually moot on two accounts. The first is that the Outer Space Treaty bans the usage of chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons being placed in orbit. Kinetic and laser weapons, such as ODIN and other Kill Sats in fiction, are fair game. The second is that, even if kinetic and laser weapons in orbit were illegal through the Outer Space Treaty in this universe, it doesn't make sense for the Federation to hypocritically make their own Kill Sats.
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*** 2. The United States has just violated the Outer Space Treaty and placed a weapon into space which could be used to destroy much of South America. This seems like somewhat of a threat to the balance of power, and is extra scary when the nation who owns this weapon has recently decided it was a good idea to assassinate the leader of the Federation.

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*** 2. The United States has just violated the Outer Space Treaty and placed a weapon into space which could be used to destroy much of South America. my country. This seems like somewhat of a threat to the balance of power, and is extra scary when the nation who owns this weapon has recently decided it was a good idea to assassinate the leader of the Federation.
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** The biggest problem with having only one nation who can project force is that nobody can really help them out if they get attacked directly. At this point, NATO is pretty much assuming that any major conflict is going to happen well outside North America, and if it doesn't, well, have fun, North America.




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** Considering it's a thousand-mile border, I doubt there's really much of a "frontline". There's where you have troops and where you don't, since the enemy can attack anywhere you have troops pretty easily. Best to keep the troops away from the civilians when facing an enemy that doesn't seem to have much problem with taking both of them out at once.




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** The US seems to have no issue with ignoring whatever international treaties are particularly inconvenient for it at the time. Bonus points because they can argue "They're just giant bullets, not nuclear weapons or WMDs!"

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** There are two very good reasons for the Federation to attack the United States.
*** 1. Two years prior, the United States assassinated the leader of their nation. This seems like the sort of thing that might piss off a superpower.
*** 2. The United States has just violated the Outer Space Treaty and placed a weapon into space which could be used to destroy much of South America. This seems like somewhat of a threat to the balance of power, and is extra scary when the nation who owns this weapon has recently decided it was a good idea to assassinate the leader of the Federation.
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** If I recall correctly, they were aware that the Federation was up to something but weren't quite sure what, so they thought interrogating Rorke would give them the answers they needed.
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***** Because missiles can still be intercepted. One of the main objectives of "Severed Ties" was to destroy the the Federation's defensive missile batteries to prevent them from intercepting incoming missiles.
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***** I'm going with the Red Alert 3 explanation: they had a bunch of troops carry it overland to the lake.
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* Is it ever definitively explained what happened to the Middle East? [[YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries Was it global warming? Nuclear war? Card games?]] Also, one would think that the destruction of an entire region of the planet would have [[ApocalypseHow major ecological effects]] beyond the loss of the oil, or receive more consideration than simply "BTW, the Middle East is toast."]

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* Is it ever definitively explained what happened to the Middle East? [[YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries [[WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries Was it global warming? Nuclear war? Card games?]] Also, one would think that the destruction of an entire region of the planet would have [[ApocalypseHow major ecological effects]] beyond the loss of the oil, or receive more consideration than simply "BTW, the Middle East is toast."]
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**** The mission takes place in Patagonia, so perhaps it was simply a frozen over fjord or waterway?

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* Is it ever definitively explained what happened to the Middle East? [[YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries Was it global warming? Nuclear war? Card games?]] Also, one would think that the destruction of an entire region of the planet would have [[ApocalypseHow major ecological effects]] beyond the loss of the oil, or receive more consideration than simply "BTW, the Middle East is toast."

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* Is it ever definitively explained what happened to the Middle East? [[YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries Was it global warming? Nuclear war? Card games?]] Also, one would think that the destruction of an entire region of the planet would have [[ApocalypseHow major ecological effects]] beyond the loss of the oil, or receive more consideration than simply "BTW, the Middle East is toast.""]
** The use of the word 'destruction' might be an exaggeration, but a major war in the Middle East that involved a nuclear exchange would probably leave much of the world's oil supply destroyed or otherwise unobtainable. No oil = economic disaster. Ecologically, its hard to say what the effects would be without details.
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**** I know it isn't stated, but just from what we're shown I'd guess that the goal is to take complete control of the Western Hemisphere and become the world's chief superpower. Another goal could be to keep the economy stimulated with continuous war production or artificially low unemployment via massive military expansion. Yet another could be to keep the Federation from tearing itself apart by focusing all rage and frustration on a common enemy; its made up of what were independent countries not that long ago.

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**** First of all, this is a work of fiction, so yes, the antagonists need a greater motivation than [[FortheEvulz]]. Plenty of stories have fully-developed motivations and personalities for their bad guys, while making no bones about the fact that they ''are'' the bad guys ([[TheChessmaster Menendez]] from Black Ops 2 is a good example). Secondly, most real-life dictators have had goals and motives beyond "KILL! MAIM! BURN!" Twisted, irrational, and fucked-up goals and motives, to be certain, but goals and motives all the same.




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**** But if killing the Ghosts is the be-all, end-all of the Federation strategy, then letting the Wall remain standing is only a hindrance to that goal. After all, it's not like the Ghosts are marooned outside of the Wall; they could always retreat behind it where the Federation can't follow in order to rest and re-supply. Moreover, at the end of the day, it's not the Ghosts who are saving America, it's the [[TankGoodness armoured divisions]] and astronaut commandos. Bringing the Wall down would give the Federation a shot at taking these vital tactical assets out, and further their ambitions of conquering the US. A couple Tier One guys ain't going to mean jack if the country that equips and supports them is completely overrun.



* What the hell did the Ghosts even need Rorke for? The entire endgame situation and the Las Vegas incident could have been entirely avoided if they had just ''shot him'' when they came in.

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* What the hell did the Ghosts even need Rorke for? The entire endgame situation and the Las Vegas incident could have been entirely avoided if they had just ''shot him'' when they came in.in.

* Is it ever definitively explained what happened to the Middle East? [[YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries Was it global warming? Nuclear war? Card games?]] Also, one would think that the destruction of an entire region of the planet would have [[ApocalypseHow major ecological effects]] beyond the loss of the oil, or receive more consideration than simply "BTW, the Middle East is toast."
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** Another possibility is that they are using up most if not all of the missiles to destroy the federation military. Unless the U.S. does a conquest of South America i dont see them having the resources to refill the weapon.

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** Another possibility is that they are using up most if not all of the missiles to destroy the federation military. Unless the U.S. does a conquest of South America i dont see them having the resources to refill the weapon.weapon.

* What the hell did the Ghosts even need Rorke for? The entire endgame situation and the Las Vegas incident could have been entirely avoided if they had just ''shot him'' when they came in.
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** Who says they are not going to? We only had enough time to see them fire the weapon to destroy federation military power. Its smarter to destroy their means of resistance before dealing retaliation.

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** Who says they are not going to? We only had enough time to see them fire the weapon to destroy federation military power. Its smarter to destroy their means of resistance before dealing retaliation.retaliation.
** Another possibility is that they are using up most if not all of the missiles to destroy the federation military. Unless the U.S. does a conquest of South America i dont see them having the resources to refill the weapon.
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* So at the end of the game what exactly is stopping the United States from[[spoiler: using the Loki satellites to basically lay waste to every single major Federation city from Orbit? It seems that with the US in control of Loki and the world apparently not that concerned about major American border cities and 27 million American civilian deaths in an unjustifiable war crime, not many people would shed a tear if South America was a pile of ash when it's all said and done. Even if doing so would elicit a retaliatory Federation response with any other means they had left, I very much doubt it would matter as seeing with their initial senseless slaughter there's no such thing as Mutually-Assured-Destruction with them anyway.]]

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* So at the end of the game what exactly is stopping the United States from[[spoiler: using the Loki satellites to basically lay waste to every single major Federation city from Orbit? It seems that with the US in control of Loki and the world apparently not that concerned about major American border cities and 27 million American civilian deaths in an unjustifiable war crime, not many people would shed a tear if South America was a pile of ash when it's all said and done. Even if doing so would elicit a retaliatory Federation response with any other means they had left, I very much doubt it would matter as seeing with their initial senseless slaughter there's no such thing as Mutually-Assured-Destruction with them anyway.]]]]
** Who says they are not going to? We only had enough time to see them fire the weapon to destroy federation military power. Its smarter to destroy their means of resistance before dealing retaliation.
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** Moving away from RealLife and back to the game's plot: It would appear that after [[NoodleIncident that incident in the Middle East]] there was a serious NuclearWeaponsTaboo going on. The US wanted a more "publically acceptable" (and arguably reusable) WMD system which proceeded to backfire spectacularly.

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** Moving away from RealLife and back to the game's plot: It would appear that after [[NoodleIncident that incident in the Middle East]] there was a serious NuclearWeaponsTaboo going on. The US wanted a more "publically acceptable" (and arguably reusable) WMD system which proceeded to backfire spectacularly.spectacularly.

* So at the end of the game what exactly is stopping the United States from[[spoiler: using the Loki satellites to basically lay waste to every single major Federation city from Orbit? It seems that with the US in control of Loki and the world apparently not that concerned about major American border cities and 27 million American civilian deaths in an unjustifiable war crime, not many people would shed a tear if South America was a pile of ash when it's all said and done. Even if doing so would elicit a retaliatory Federation response with any other means they had left, I very much doubt it would matter as seeing with their initial senseless slaughter there's no such thing as Mutually-Assured-Destruction with them anyway.]]
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*** Not sure about the immigration thing (FYI there is a difference between legal and illegal immigration and it has nothing to do with ethnicity), but wanting more control, more power is normal for just about any dictatorship. In a dictatorship, does there really need to be an explanation beyond "the dictator wants to do X"?

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** I believe that the devs read statement "Lake Titicaca is this highest navigable lake in the world" and extrapolated the erroneous corollary "it therefore has a navigable connection to the ocean."
** Obviously it is a teleporting submarine.
*** Maybe the US got bought it from the same guys who gave the Russians their teleporting armoured divisions in ''Modern Warfare 3''?

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** I believe that the devs read statement "Lake Titicaca is this the highest navigable lake in the world" and extrapolated the erroneous corollary "it therefore has a navigable connection to the ocean."
** [[AWizardDidIt Obviously it is a teleporting submarine.
submarine.]]
*** Maybe the US got bought it from the same guys who gave the Russians their teleporting armoured divisions in ''Modern Warfare 3''?



** There main motivation appears to be territorial expansion and conquest, at least of the hemisphere. After that, who knows? [[ModernWarfare2 They might engage in a pointless and unwinnable war on another continent]] or they might be content. [[TakeOverTheWorld Standard badguy motivation, really.]] Which is a bit of a waste, since they could have been after revenge for American imperialism (think rhetoric of Hugo Chavez) or, since they controlled Mexico, a return of the area stolen in the Mexican-American War (California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas, all places that they invaded). They could have played with the fact that the US, a former superpower, is now on the receiving end of gunboat diplomacy. But since these motives weren't fleshed out at all... it all comes off kind of like a [[UnfortunateImplications racist argument against Hispanic immigration or something.]]

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** There main motivation appears to be territorial expansion and conquest, at least of the hemisphere. After that, who knows? [[ModernWarfare2 They might engage in a pointless and unwinnable war on another continent]] or they might be content. [[TakeOverTheWorld Standard badguy motivation, really.]] Which is a bit of a waste, since they could have been after revenge for American imperialism (think rhetoric of Hugo Chavez) or, since they controlled Mexico, [[MexicoCalledTheyWantTexasBack a return of the area stolen in the Mexican-American War War]] (California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas, all places that they invaded). They could have played with the fact that the US, a former superpower, is now on the receiving end of gunboat diplomacy. But since these motives weren't fleshed out at all... it all comes off kind of like a [[UnfortunateImplications racist argument against Hispanic immigration or something.]]



* How exactly were the U.S. able to build a thousand-mile long wall alongside No Man's Land given that they are under constant attack by the Federation, much of their infrastructure was devastated by ODIN, and that the Federation is likely occupying the Texan and Gulf oil reserves which would deny the U.S. a key source of resources for such a massive project.

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* How exactly were was the U.S. able to build a thousand-mile long wall alongside No Man's Land given that they are under constant attack by the Federation, much of their infrastructure was devastated by ODIN, and that the Federation is likely occupying the Texan and Gulf oil reserves which would deny the U.S. a key source of resources for such a massive project.



** The Canadian special forces unit is called Joint Taskforce-2 (JTF-2), they only appear in ''MedalOfHonor''.

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** The Canadian special forces unit is called Joint Taskforce-2 (JTF-2), they only appear in ''MedalOfHonor''.''VideoGame/MedalOfHonor''.



** Assuming they aren't busy trying to keep their countries from suffering societal collapse due to energy cutoff and probable wartime devastation, what exactly do you expect NATO to be capable of doing once you take America out of the equation? European countries have reduced their abilities to project force to such an extent that what little they have cannot be quickly moved across the Atlantic. All this also assumes NATO exists as an alliance anymore. Its Asian counterpart SEATO was dissolved in 1977, so its not impossible.

* During operation Homecoming was fort Santa Monica lost to the federation? Drone control was taken out and US forces where retreating.

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** Assuming they aren't busy trying to keep their countries from suffering societal collapse due to energy cutoff and probable wartime devastation, what exactly do you expect NATO to be capable of doing once you take America out of the equation? European countries have reduced their abilities to project force to such an extent that what little they have cannot be quickly moved across the Atlantic. All this also assumes NATO exists as an alliance anymore. Its Asian counterpart SEATO was dissolved in 1977, so its it's not impossible.

* During operation Operation Homecoming was fort Fort Santa Monica lost to the federation? Federation? Drone control was taken out and US forces where retreating.



** HealingFactor.

* Can someone explain to me why the secretary of defense would order a debriefing in Las Vegas? Surely there is a more secure meeting place away from the frontlines?

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** HealingFactor.

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* Can someone explain to me why the secretary Secretary of defense Defense would order a debriefing in Las Vegas? Surely there is a more secure meeting place away from the frontlines?



* Existance of ODIN. Why did the US construct a space-based weapon of mass destruction in violation of multiple international treaties?

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* Existance Existence of ODIN. Why did the US construct a space-based weapon of mass destruction in violation of multiple international treaties?



** It would appear that after [[NoodleIncident that incident in the Middle East]] there is a serious NuclearWeaponsTaboo going on. The US wanted a more "publicaly acceptable" (and arguably reusable) WMD system which proceeded to backfire spectacularly.

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** Moving away from RealLife and back to the game's plot: It would appear that after [[NoodleIncident that incident in the Middle East]] there is was a serious NuclearWeaponsTaboo going on. The US wanted a more "publicaly "publically acceptable" (and arguably reusable) WMD system which proceeded to backfire spectacularly.

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**** Rorke [[HonorBeforeReason REALLY hates the Ghosts.]] And besides, the Ghosts inflicted billions of dollars of damage on [[spoiler: a skyscraper, an oil rig, a floating industrial complex and two separate secret bases]] so, they are a legitimate threat. And seeing as they assassinated the leader of the Federation twelve years earlier, it's possible that his successor might want revenge for that as well.




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*** Surely 10 years of the US and Federation duking it out in the southwest would be ample time to raise something.



*** Hell, the entire open, frontlines war is never mentioned again save at the end.




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** HealingFactor.




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*** This leads to an equally important question of why the Ghosts were just hanging out in what was either occupied, neutral or contested territory without any support.



** This is a rather controversial area. Article IV of The Outer Space Treaty prohibits "any objects carrying nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction" in orbit. WMD is not defined for these purposes, but kinetic rods capable of killing cities would seem to qualify. The US argues it is not going that far but others are not convinced. Some analysts argue the reason the Chinese are doing a lot of research into anti-satellite weapons is to counter this perceived US threat.

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** This is a rather controversial area. Article IV of The Outer Space Treaty prohibits "any objects carrying nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction" in orbit. WMD is not defined for these purposes, but kinetic rods capable of killing cities would seem to qualify. The US argues it is not going that far but others are not convinced. Some analysts argue the reason the Chinese are doing a lot of research into anti-satellite weapons is to counter this perceived US threat.threat.
** It would appear that after [[NoodleIncident that incident in the Middle East]] there is a serious NuclearWeaponsTaboo going on. The US wanted a more "publicaly acceptable" (and arguably reusable) WMD system which proceeded to backfire spectacularly.
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** Assuming they aren't busy trying to keep their countries from suffering societal collapse due to energy cutoff and probable wartime devastation, what exactly do you expect NATO to be capable of doing once you take America out of the equation? European countries have reduced their abilities to project force to such an extent that what little they have cannot be quickly moved across the Atlantic. All this also assumes NATO exists as an alliance anymore. Its Asian counterpart SEATO was dissolved in 1977, so its not impossible.
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** I would've said that the Federation destroyed US Strategic nuclear forces (like missile silos and submarine bases) with hijacked ODIN, but it's never explicitly stated, so it's still a plothole.
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**** If you can see it, you can hit it, and if you can hit it, you can kill it. The Federation possesses cruise missiles capable of immense destruction, as evidenced by [[spoiler: the cruise missile that took out the Federation space communication array in "Severed Ties".]] If one missile could raze that mammoth structure, then why couldn't two or three or a swarm just knock the wall flat?
**** Also, since when did finishing off a part of a country's special forces become more important than finishing off the country itself?
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** Because Killing Civilians Will Not Be Tolerated and would have got them a NonStandardGameOver.
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** The Treaties only prohibit the the so called "Nuclear Proliferation of Outer Space," conventional weapons on the other hand are perfectly legal. So legal in fact, the United States Air Force is actually working on a system called Prompt Global Strike (P.G.S.) which is designed to deliver a precision conventional weapon strike anywhere in the world within one hour. One of the proposed payloads for such a system is a Kinetic Strike or "Rods from God" if you will. They even named the project after the Viking God Thor, so we may very well have an an Orbital Weapons Platform very similar to Odin [[spoiler:or Loki]] by 2017.

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** The Treaties only prohibit the the so called "Nuclear Proliferation of Outer Space," conventional weapons on the other hand are perfectly legal. So legal in fact, the United States Air Force is actually working on a system called Prompt Global Strike (P.G.S.) which is designed to deliver a precision conventional weapon strike anywhere in the world within one hour. One of the proposed payloads for such a system is a Kinetic Strike or "Rods from God" if you will. They even named the project after the Viking God Thor, so we may very well have an an Orbital Weapons Platform very similar to Odin [[spoiler:or Loki]] by 2017.2017.
** This is a rather controversial area. Article IV of The Outer Space Treaty prohibits "any objects carrying nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction" in orbit. WMD is not defined for these purposes, but kinetic rods capable of killing cities would seem to qualify. The US argues it is not going that far but others are not convinced. Some analysts argue the reason the Chinese are doing a lot of research into anti-satellite weapons is to counter this perceived US threat.
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** The Treaties only prohibit the NUCLEAR proliferation of space. Conventional weapons are fine in fact the United States Air Force is actually working on a system called Prompt Global Strike (P.G.S.) which is designed to deliver a precision conventional weapon strike anywhere in the world, in one hour. One of the proposed payloads for such a system is a Kinetic Strike, or "Rods from God" if you will. They even named the project after the Viking God Thor, so we may very well have an an Orbital Weapons Platform very similar to Odin or [[spoiler:Loki]] by 2017.

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** The Treaties only prohibit the NUCLEAR proliferation the so called "Nuclear Proliferation of space. Conventional Outer Space," conventional weapons on the other hand are fine perfectly legal. So legal in fact fact, the United States Air Force is actually working on a system called Prompt Global Strike (P.G.S.) which is designed to deliver a precision conventional weapon strike anywhere in the world, in world within one hour. One of the proposed payloads for such a system is a Kinetic Strike, Strike or "Rods from God" if you will. They even named the project after the Viking God Thor, so we may very well have an an Orbital Weapons Platform very similar to Odin or [[spoiler:Loki]] [[spoiler:or Loki]] by 2017.

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