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* Chad. My understanding is that his powers are hollowed based in nature and he has shown he is able to beat the Espada privacion. So I would imagine that his powerlevel is pretty near that of an adjucas. So why does he not get a power upgrade level in his fight against Nnotiria and Yammy. To me thet bull ichigo thing would of been better with him not ichigo, that nad it would be a more interesting way to take his character.

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* Chad. My understanding is that his powers are hollowed based in nature and he has shown he is able to beat the Espada privacion. So I would imagine that his powerlevel is pretty near that of an adjucas. So why does he not get a power upgrade level in his fight against Nnotiria and Yammy. To me thet bull ichigo thing would of have been better with him not ichigo, that nad it would be a more interesting way to take his character.
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** Plus, Rukia's victory was a case of BondVillainStupidity.

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** Plus, Rukia's victory was a case of BondVillainStupidity.stupidity.
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Actually in the arrancar saga the top 10 are refered to as the Espada which is the royal guard in SPAIN
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****Urahara said that Ichigo's reiatsu awakened the powers they were born with. For Chad, Fullbring is the power he was born with. So, who forgot about continuity, exactly?
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**And the other factors (Ichigo's reiatsu sparking his spirit energy, the Hogyoku helping it happen) are cancelled out... how?
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**The number of people who don't get that Fullbring IS Hollow power is just sad.
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** If I recall, Fullbring abilities never improve beyond it's limits or change; they are only completed through training and it seems that manifesting Brazo Izquierda del Diablo (white arm) is the limit of Chad's fullbring.


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** If I recall, Fullbring abilities never improve beyond it's its limits or change; they are only completed through training and it seems that manifesting Brazo Izquierda del Diablo (white arm) is the limit of Chad's fullbring.

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\n** If I recall, Fullbring abilities never improve beyond it's limits or change; they are only completed through training and it seems that manifesting Brazo Izquierda del Diablo (white arm) is the limit of Chad's fullbring.

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**Alternatively, Luppi had only just had the Hogyoku used on him right before his first appearance and subsequent promotion, meaning that he had only just become an Arrancar and thus only just become eligible.

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** Perhaps because the lesson he had to learn as a child was what he had "those big, strong fists for."
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* Why does Chad's Fullbring come from the skin on his arms and not something even more important to him like his coin or tattoo?
Seems like They Plotted a Perfectly Good Waste to me.

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* Why does Chad's Fullbring come from the skin on his arms and not something even more important to him like his coin or tattoo?
tattoo? Seems like They Plotted a Perfectly Good Waste to me.
** Because he took pride in his race and skin color, not his abuelo's coin.

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* Why does Chad's Fullbring come from the skin on his arms and not something even more important to him like his coin or tattoo?
Seems like They Plotted a Perfectly Good Waste to me.

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* Is anyone else bothered by the fact that poor Chad's gotten the short end of the stick in these recent arcs? Sure, he beat Gantenbainne with his newly-unlocked technique, but after that he got shanked by Nnoitora and now he's gotten stomped by Yammy, with only a handful of Mooks beaten in the meantime. Sure, Ishida hasn't faired much better, but he atleast has gotten some pretty badassed scenes and got to display a nice range of techniques. Chad's used his cool new technique...once? Twice, maybe?
** Chad uses La Muerte once and El Directo twice. Renji "Vice Captain Jobber" Abarai had it even worse, as he hasn't even defeated a single opponent since entering Hueco Mundo, apart from using his Shikai to scatter some Exequias. I had hoped Renji and Chad would at least be shown struggling a little like Rukia was, instead of just lying on the ground, defeated. It seems there's little point in him getting healed to fight again if he's going to lose again so quickly.
** I agree with both of you. You'd think that Chad would be strong enough to at least be standing (Seeing how he was like Ichigo with him getting stronger the longer they were in Hueco Mundo), and Renji has no excuse whatsoever since he learned Bankai. And it's pretty sad when you realize that Renji has more wins over filler villains than ones in canon.
** What's most annoying of all is that I just know Ichigo's going to win this one at the rate Kubo's been going. Which would put his total Espada defeats to three, OUT OF TEN, such a feat when no other character can even claim a second victory at all. Well, MAYBE Hitsugaya, but that's if you first buy his Harribel being unable to escape that and secondly that Luppi was Espada material at all. And the only one in Ichigo's group who has done so would be Rukia in one of the most head bashing moments in the series. Renji, Chad, and even Ishida weren't even given a chance. Well, unless you decide to count the fallen Espada, which would raise Ichigo's win ratio to four anyway, and Renji's still boned down on bottom.
*** Hold on a sec, how was Rukia's defeat of Aaroniero a Wall Banger?
*** Rukia, an individual at vice captain level at best able to defeat one of the espada, who even the weakest of which require bankai to handle with any sort of assurance of victory? An Espada whose main power, having 30000+ powers to choose from and uses all of none of them, yet still slaughtered her so effectively and only managed to lose because he was stupid enough to raise her up near his weak spot (Which is questionable enough AT BEST) when he could have done ''anything else'', 30000 powers or not, and he would have slaughtered her with ease? How is that NOT a Wall Banger.
*** Man, if you had a problem with Aaroniero's defeat, you'd freaking hate how Tousen was defeated...
*** Rukia's victory [[FridgeBrilliance was fairly clever if you think about it]]. She knows Aaroniero has all of Kaien's memories (especially after realizing that he absorbed Kaien's body itself), and also knows that he doesn't know anything about what she's learned after his death (he's surprised by the double incantation, and mentions that he knows of two dances). While getting stabbed by the trident in the middle of her HeroicBSOD wasn't part of the plan, she probably realized that he wouldn't suspect what she was doing if she used Shirafune at close range with her sword broken, and thus overcame her emotional baggage to defeat Aaroniero by knowing Kaien better than he did.
*** The person above me is correct...Rukia didn't out''muscle'' [[FanNickname Habenero]], she out''smarted'' him.
*** It's not that hard to outsmart someone who has 33,650 hollow powers that they could use ''simultaneously'', but decides to only use one of them...
*** I'd hardly even call that outsmarting in the first place, given she, while in a barely conscious state after having a standard flashback to give her the will to continue to fight, just held up her sword and used that last move. That was supremely retarded PlotInducedStupidity on #9's fault no matter how you look at it, Rukia didn't remotely plan ''any'' of that by sheer virtue of how the scene was shaped.
*** That's all also ignoring the question of why Aaroniero's hierro couldn't stop her sword from killing him; even assuming his is the weakest among the espada, you'd think it'd offer some resistance. And I object to how powerful her sword-reforging Shirafune could possibly be as an attack. Certainly, it couldn't reasonably be much, if any, stronger than stabbing with the remaining stub of blade attached to the hilt; but Aaroniero doesn't seem to have any qualms letting her hold that right up to his eyeball. There's also the way he just stands there which she announces her Shirafune attack, without any attempt to dodge or anything... I mean, there's [[AssPull Asspulling]] a victory, and then there's having your opponent just suddenly commit suicide by Shinigami.

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* Is anyone else bothered by the fact that poor Chad's gotten the short end of the stick in these recent arcs? Sure, he beat Gantenbainne with his newly-unlocked technique, but after that he got shanked by Nnoitora and now he's gotten stomped by Yammy, with only a handful of Mooks beaten in the meantime. Sure, Ishida hasn't faired much better, but he atleast has gotten some pretty badassed scenes and got to display a nice range of techniques. Chad's used his cool new technique...once? Twice, maybe?
** Chad uses La Muerte once and El Directo twice. Renji "Vice Captain Jobber" Abarai had it even worse, as he hasn't even defeated a single opponent since entering Hueco Mundo, apart from using his Shikai to scatter some Exequias. I had hoped Renji and Chad would at least be shown struggling a little like Rukia was, instead of just lying on the ground, defeated. It seems there's little point in him getting healed to fight again if he's going to lose again so quickly.
** I agree with both of you. You'd think that Chad would be strong enough to at least be standing (Seeing how he was like Ichigo with him getting stronger the longer they were in Hueco Mundo), and Renji has no excuse whatsoever since he learned Bankai. And it's pretty sad when you realize that Renji has more wins over filler villains than ones in canon.
** What's most annoying of all is that I just know Ichigo's going to win this one at the rate Kubo's been going. Which would put his total Espada defeats to three, OUT OF TEN, such a feat when no other character can even claim a second victory at all. Well, MAYBE Hitsugaya, but that's if you first buy his Harribel being unable to escape that and secondly that Luppi was Espada material at all. And the only one in Ichigo's group who has done so would be Rukia in one of the most head bashing moments in the series. Renji, Chad, and even Ishida weren't even given a chance. Well, unless you decide to count the fallen Espada, which would raise Ichigo's win ratio to four anyway, and Renji's still boned down on bottom.
*** Hold on a sec, how was Rukia's defeat of Aaroniero a Wall Banger?
*** Rukia, an individual at vice captain level at best able to defeat one of the espada, who even the weakest of which require bankai to handle with any sort of assurance of victory? An Espada whose main power, having 30000+ powers to choose from and uses all of none of them, yet still slaughtered her so effectively and only managed to lose because he was stupid enough to raise her up near his weak spot (Which is questionable enough AT BEST) when he could have done ''anything else'', 30000 powers or not, and he would have slaughtered her with ease? How is that NOT a Wall Banger.
*** Man, if you had a problem with Aaroniero's defeat, you'd freaking hate how Tousen was defeated...
*** Rukia's victory [[FridgeBrilliance was fairly clever if you think about it]]. She knows Aaroniero has all of Kaien's memories (especially after realizing that he absorbed Kaien's body itself), and also knows that he doesn't know anything about what she's learned after his death (he's surprised by the double incantation, and mentions that he knows of two dances). While getting stabbed by the trident in the middle of her HeroicBSOD wasn't part of the plan, she probably realized that he wouldn't suspect what she was doing if she used Shirafune at close range with her sword broken, and thus overcame her emotional baggage to defeat Aaroniero by knowing Kaien better than he did.
*** The person above me is correct...Rukia didn't out''muscle'' [[FanNickname Habenero]], she out''smarted'' him.
*** It's not that hard to outsmart someone who has 33,650 hollow powers that they could use ''simultaneously'', but decides to only use one of them...
*** I'd hardly even call that outsmarting in the first place, given she, while in a barely conscious state after having a standard flashback to give her the will to continue to fight, just held up her sword and used that last move. That was supremely retarded PlotInducedStupidity on #9's fault no matter how you look at it, Rukia didn't remotely plan ''any'' of that by sheer virtue of how the scene was shaped.
*** That's all also ignoring the question of why Aaroniero's hierro couldn't stop her sword from killing him; even assuming his is the weakest among the espada, you'd think it'd offer some resistance. And I object to how powerful her sword-reforging Shirafune could possibly be as an attack. Certainly, it couldn't reasonably be much, if any, stronger than stabbing with the remaining stub of blade attached to the hilt; but Aaroniero doesn't seem to have any qualms letting her hold that right up to his eyeball. There's also the way he just stands there which she announces her Shirafune attack, without any attempt to dodge or anything... I mean, there's [[AssPull Asspulling]] a victory, and then there's having your opponent just suddenly commit suicide by Shinigami.




* How is it that Rukia is able to defeat the ninth espada (albeit almost dying), while Ishida, Renji, Pesshe and Dondochakka were unable to even deal any significant damage Szayel who is only one rank higher? I think that's the real wall-banger.

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* How is it that Rukia is able to defeat the ninth espada (albeit almost dying), while Ishida, Renji, Pesshe and Dondochakka were unable to even deal any significant damage Szayel who is only one rank higher? I think that's the real wall-banger.



* Does anyone else feel like the revelation that Chad is a Fullbring has been incredibly pointless? Now that all the battles are taking place I'm kind of puzzled by the fact that Chad is not really doing anything. Chad is probably the most underdeveloped of the main characters, and this arc seemed like TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot by not giving him a little more background and personality. Even if he was fighting against Ichigo, at least he'd be doing ''something.'' Now he's only making brief cameos in an arc that initially had a lot to do with him.

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* Does anyone else feel like the revelation that Chad is a Fullbring has been incredibly pointless? Now that all the battles are taking place I'm kind of puzzled by the fact that Chad is not really doing anything. Chad is probably the most underdeveloped of the main characters, and this arc seemed like TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot by not giving him a little more background and personality. Even if he was fighting against Ichigo, at least he'd be doing ''something.'' Now he's only making brief cameos in an arc that initially had a lot to do with him.
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* Does anyone else feel like the revelation that Chad is a Fullbring has been incredibly pointless? Now that all the battles are taking place I'm kind of puzzled by the fact that Chad is not really doing anything. Chad is probably the most underdeveloped of the main characters, and this arc seemed like TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlotPoint by not giving him a little more background and personality. Even if he was fighting against Ichigo, at least he'd be doing ''something.'' Now he's only making brief cameos in an arc that initially had a lot to do with him.

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* Does anyone else feel like the revelation that Chad is a Fullbring has been incredibly pointless? Now that all the battles are taking place I'm kind of puzzled by the fact that Chad is not really doing anything. Chad is probably the most underdeveloped of the main characters, and this arc seemed like TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlotPoint TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot by not giving him a little more background and personality. Even if he was fighting against Ichigo, at least he'd be doing ''something.'' Now he's only making brief cameos in an arc that initially had a lot to do with him.
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* Does anyone else feel like the revelation that Chad is a Fullbring has been incredibly pointless? Now that all the battles are taking place I'm kind of puzzled by the fact that Chad is not really doing anything. Chad is probably the most underdeveloped of the main characters, and this arc seemed like a MissedMomentOfAwesome in giving him a little more background and personality. Even if he was fighting against Ichigo, at least he'd be doing ''something.'' Now he's only making brief cameos in an arc that initially had a lot to do with him.

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* Does anyone else feel like the revelation that Chad is a Fullbring has been incredibly pointless? Now that all the battles are taking place I'm kind of puzzled by the fact that Chad is not really doing anything. Chad is probably the most underdeveloped of the main characters, and this arc seemed like a MissedMomentOfAwesome in TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlotPoint by not giving him a little more background and personality. Even if he was fighting against Ichigo, at least he'd be doing ''something.'' Now he's only making brief cameos in an arc that initially had a lot to do with him.
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* Does anyone else feel like the revelation that Chad is a Fullbring has been incredibly pointless? Now that all the battles are taking place I'm kind of puzzled by the fact that Chad is not really doing anything. Chad is probably the most underdeveloped of the main characters, and this arc seemed like a MissedMomentOfAwesome in giving him a little more background and personality. Even if he was fighting against Ichigo, at least he'd be doing ''something.'' Now he's only making brief cameos in an arc that initially had a lot to do with him.
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*** Man, if you had a problem with Aaroniero's defeat, [[UnderStatement you'd freaking hate how Tousen was defeated...]]

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*** Man, if you had a problem with Aaroniero's defeat, [[UnderStatement you'd freaking hate how Tousen was defeated...]]
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**** People that leak power the way Ichigo does aren't particularly common, nor are instances of humans being exposed to hollows for very long before ending up as soul-chow. If we were to generalize the origin of Fullbring powers to "Sufficient exposure to reiatsu", and assume babies are more sensitive to it, it's not implausible for the fullbringers to share the "Hollow attack while in the womb" origin, since it's one of the few cases (that I can think of) where a normal person might survive a hollow attack. Ichigo's friends were all teenagers when they got their powers, so they'd need far more exposure to reiatsu (ie. daily doses of Ichigo) to develop them. That'd only leave Ichigo unexplained. But he too, was basically exposed to spirit power since very early thanks to daddy dearest plus Grand Fisher. I suppose he would've developed his fullbring naturally hadn't he been shinigami'd before. Oh, and the Quincies. Given their backstory, the first Quincies probably DID survive enough hollow attacks to become spiritually empowered. From there, tradition and inheritance can do the trick.
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** To foreshadow why [[spoiler the organization of fullbring users]] want to get rid of their powers in the first place: the nature of [[spoiler: fullbring]] is more hollowlike than shinigamilike.

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** To foreshadow why [[spoiler [[spoiler: the organization of fullbring users]] want to get rid of their powers in the first place: the nature of [[spoiler: fullbring]] is more hollowlike than shinigamilike.



**** Then what was all that talk about Ichigo leaking Reiatsu that gives his classmates superpowers? Did they just happen to have sleeping superpowers that had to be awakened that way, is this the general case for all fullbring users (and they just didn't mention it because!) or did *someone* forget about continuity... again?

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**** Then what was all that talk about Ichigo leaking Reiatsu that gives his classmates superpowers? Did they just happen to have sleeping superpowers that had to be awakened that way, is this the general case for all [[spoiler: fullbring users users]] (and they just didn't mention it because!) or did *someone* forget about continuity... again?
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**** Then what was all that talk about Ichigo leaking Reiatsu that gives his classmates superpowers? Did they just happen to have sleeping superpowers that had to be awakened that way, is this the general case for all fullbring users (and they just didn't mention it because!) or did *someone* forget about continuity... again?
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** Plus, Rukia's victory was a case of BondVillainStupidity.
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** What's most annoying of all is that I just know Ichigo's going to win this one at the rate Kubo's been going. Which would put his total Espada defeats to three, OUT OF TEN, such a feat when no other character can even claim a second victory at all. Well, MAYBE Hitsugaya, but that's if you first buy his Harribel being unable to escape that and secondly that Luppi was Espada material at all. And the only one in Ichigo's group who has done so would be Rukia in one of the most [[WallBanger head bashing]] moments in the series. Renji, Chad, and even Ishida weren't even given a chance. Well, unless you decide to count the fallen Espada, which would raise Ichigo's win ratio to four anyway, and Renji's still boned down on bottom.
*** Hold on a sec, how was Rukia's defeat of Aaroniero a WallBanger?
*** Rukia, an individual at vice captain level at best able to defeat one of the espada, who even the weakest of which require bankai to handle with any sort of assurance of victory? An Espada whose main power, having 30000+ powers to choose from and uses all of none of them, yet still slaughtered her so effectively and only managed to lose because he was stupid enough to raise her up near his weak spot (Which is questionable enough AT BEST) when he could have done ''anything else'', 30000 powers or not, and he would have slaughtered her with ease? How is that NOT a WallBanger.

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** What's most annoying of all is that I just know Ichigo's going to win this one at the rate Kubo's been going. Which would put his total Espada defeats to three, OUT OF TEN, such a feat when no other character can even claim a second victory at all. Well, MAYBE Hitsugaya, but that's if you first buy his Harribel being unable to escape that and secondly that Luppi was Espada material at all. And the only one in Ichigo's group who has done so would be Rukia in one of the most [[WallBanger head bashing]] bashing moments in the series. Renji, Chad, and even Ishida weren't even given a chance. Well, unless you decide to count the fallen Espada, which would raise Ichigo's win ratio to four anyway, and Renji's still boned down on bottom.
*** Hold on a sec, how was Rukia's defeat of Aaroniero a WallBanger?
Wall Banger?
*** Rukia, an individual at vice captain level at best able to defeat one of the espada, who even the weakest of which require bankai to handle with any sort of assurance of victory? An Espada whose main power, having 30000+ powers to choose from and uses all of none of them, yet still slaughtered her so effectively and only managed to lose because he was stupid enough to raise her up near his weak spot (Which is questionable enough AT BEST) when he could have done ''anything else'', 30000 powers or not, and he would have slaughtered her with ease? How is that NOT a WallBanger.Wall Banger.
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** Szayel Aporro studied their spiritual pressure, Renji's bankai, etc. it was a fight against an enemy who knew exactly how to disable any kind of attack you had used up to that point in previous fights.


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*** They are children of mother who had contact with Hollows (most likely were almost eaten by them but failed) which means that they absorbed everything when they were in the womb (if you know biology you'll know that fetuses absorb a lot of things like hair die, so apparently reiatsu too)
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** To foreshadow why [[spoiler the organization of fullbring users]] want to get rid of their powers in the first place: the nature of [[spoiler: fullbring]] is more hollowlike than shinigamilike.
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* If Chad's powers are [[spoiler: fullbring]], what was the point of comparing his powers to hollows and making him get a powerup explicitly due to being in Hueco Mundo?
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** Nope. Turns out that Hollows attacked his parents before he was born. Of course, [[FlipFlopOfGod this is roughly the third or fourth explanation that we've gotten for his powers]], so it might not stick.

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