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* Looking at what the Herb does in the greater context of the MCU, it is a dead-ringer for the Super Soldier Serum that was used to make Captain America back in the 40's. Wakanda was probably way ahead of the world technologically even back then, so there's no reason to believe that they couldn't just make something similar or synthesize that compound in the Herb that grants its powers from T'Challa's blood other than for reasons of tradition (and considering that T'Challa just threw their biggest tradition out the window regarding their secrecy this probably wouldn't be an issue any more). The loss of the Herb is still a great cultural blow for the Wakandans, but it's not the end of the Black Panther.

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* Looking at what the Herb does in the greater context of the MCU, it is a dead-ringer for the Super Soldier Serum that was used to make Captain America back in the 40's. Wakanda was probably way ahead of the world technologically even back then, so there's no reason to believe that they couldn't just make something similar or synthesize that compound in the Herb that grants its powers from T'Challa's blood other than for reasons of tradition (and considering that T'Challa just threw their biggest tradition out the window regarding their secrecy this probably wouldn't be an issue any more). The loss of the Herb is still a great cultural blow for the Wakandans, but it's not the end of the Black Panther.Panther.
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* Looking at what the Herb does in the greater context of the MCU, it is a dead-ringer for the Super Soldier Serum that was used to make Captain America back in the 40's. Wakanda was probably way ahead of the world technologically even back then, so there's no reason to believe that they couldn't just make something similar or synthesize that compound in the Herb that grants its powers from T'Challa's blood other than for reasons of tradition (and considering that T'Challa just threw their biggest tradition out the window regarding their secrecy this probably wouldn't be an issue any more). The loss of the Herb is still a great cultural blow for the Wakandans, but it's not the end of the Black Panther.
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*** To which T’Challa could respond by “yeah, you stole my target right after I captured him, nearly killing me and two other wakandians in the process”. With that being said, this ties-in with what his father said, about how it’s hard for a good man to be a king. Because let’s be honest, the “kingly” thing to do for T’Challa in that scene was to arrest Killmonger for attempted assasination on the ruling sovereign of Wakanda and be done with it.
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** Unless those furs are fake he was probably just joking about being vegetarians, or they are vegetarians for dietary rather than ethical ones so the fishing either falls under the "fish don't count as meat" exception that some people adhere to, or as stated are mainly to barter.


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** Probably she just wasn't in the right frame of mind given that, you know, her brother just seemingly died and an extremely ruthless killer is now her new king.
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*** He IS ignorant about Wakanda, just not quite as much as he lets on. He is still taken aback to learn the sheer magnitude of their Vibranium deposits and the futuristic technology they have at their disposal, and Klaue certainly knows more about Wakanda than he does.


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*** Its implied that just showing up in Wakanda and knowing their secrets is a potential death penalty in itself (according to Klaue, at least), plus he ordered physically abused and even tried to kill / actually killed those in his kingdom who defied him, including attempts on other members of the royal family (not just T'Challa). Its not clear if he didn't commit ANY crimes in Wakanda since it somewhat depends on what kind of monarchy Wakanda is and how much leeway the King is allowed on this stuff, but Erik himself though that IF he was spared he would still be locked up, and T'Challa didn't argue with him on that count
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* When T'Challa is revived, Shuri reveals that she had taken his Black Panther suit necklace with her when she, Ramonda, Nakia, and Ross escaped Wakanda. The question is, why didn't Shuri take both necklaces from her lab? She only made two new Black Panther suits, both of which are stored in necklace forms that are easy enough to carry. Taking only one necklace means the other one would be discovered and eventually used by Erik, which is exactly what happens in the climax. Plus, taking both necklaces mean there can be two people on their side who can be Black Panthers. Granted, they only have one heart-shaped flower, but an extra armor would still be a boon to their side considering its abilities.

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* When T'Challa is revived, Shuri reveals that she had taken his Black Panther suit necklace with her when she, Ramonda, Nakia, and Ross escaped Wakanda. The question is, why didn't Shuri take both necklaces from her lab? She only made two new Black Panther suits, both of which are stored in necklace forms that are easy enough to carry. Taking only one necklace means the other one would be discovered and eventually used by Erik, which is exactly what happens in the climax. Plus, taking both necklaces mean there can be two people on their side who can be Black Panthers.Panthers and leaving Erik with nothing. Granted, they only have one heart-shaped flower, but an extra armor would still be a boon to their side considering its abilities.
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* When T'Challa is revived, Shuri reveals that she had taken his Black Panther suit necklace with her when she, Ramonda, Nakia, and Ross escaped Wakanda. The question is, why didn't Shuri take both necklaces from her lab? She only made two new Black Panther suits, both of which are stored in necklace forms that are easy enough to carry. Taking only one necklace means the other one would be discovered and eventually used by Erik, which is exactly what happens in the climax.

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* When T'Challa is revived, Shuri reveals that she had taken his Black Panther suit necklace with her when she, Ramonda, Nakia, and Ross escaped Wakanda. The question is, why didn't Shuri take both necklaces from her lab? She only made two new Black Panther suits, both of which are stored in necklace forms that are easy enough to carry. Taking only one necklace means the other one would be discovered and eventually used by Erik, which is exactly what happens in the climax. Plus, taking both necklaces mean there can be two people on their side who can be Black Panthers. Granted, they only have one heart-shaped flower, but an extra armor would still be a boon to their side considering its abilities.
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* When T'Challa is revived, Shuri reveals that she had taken his Black Panther suit necklace with her when she, Ramonda, Nakia, and Ross escaped Wakanda. The question is, why didn't Shuri take both necklaces from her lab? She only made two new Black Panther suits, both of which are stored in necklace forms that are easy enough to carry. Taking only one necklace means the other one would be discovered and eventually used by Erik, which is exactly what happens in the climax.
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** Erik didn't commit any crimes in Wakanda. He racked up his kill count under service to the United States government. Being Wakandan, his challenge to T'Challa's throne was his legal right, as were his actions as (interim) King. In short, there were no crimes to answer for, and seeing as the challenge to T'Challa's throne was still active, he had the option to yield or succumb to his injuries and die.
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** Perhaps it ''did'' destroy the planet, though only on the surface. If it happened millions of years ago, it might even be the same asteroid that killed the dinosaurs (assuming that dinosaurs really did go extinct from a meteor crashing into Earth).
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* When Ramonda, Shuru, Nakia, and Ross visit the Jabari tribe to ask for M'Baku's help in defeating Killmonger, M'Baku jokes that he will feed Ross to his children ... then goes on to say that they're actually vegetarian. Then, he reveals that his fishermen actually found T'Challa's body in the river. What's a vegetarian tribe doing fishing? Unless they meant only his actual children were vegetarian, OR they use their catch for barter.

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* When Ramonda, Shuru, Shuri, Nakia, and Ross visit the Jabari tribe to ask for M'Baku's help in defeating Killmonger, M'Baku jokes that he will feed Ross to his children ... then goes on to say that they're actually vegetarian. Then, he reveals that his fishermen actually found T'Challa's body in the river. What's a vegetarian tribe doing fishing? Unless they meant only his actual children were vegetarian, OR they use their catch for barter.
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* When Ramonda, Shuru, Nakia, and Ross visit the Jabari tribe to ask for M'Baku's help in defeating Killmonger, M'Baku jokes that he will feed Ross to his children ... then goes on to say that they're actually vegetarian. Then, he reveals that his fishermen actually found T'Challa's body in the river. What's a vegetarian tribe doing fishing? Unless they meant only his actual children were vegetarian, OR they use their catch for barter.
** This troper is inclined to think that it's the Jabari in general, not just M'Baku and his children, that are vegetarians, since they are, in terms of religion, close to Hinduism, where most people are encouraged to be vegetarians.
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* So it's established Wakanda's supply of Vibranium was the result of an mountain-sized meteor slamming into Earth millions of years ago. But considering the insane properties of Vibranium, shouldn't that much of it at a high velocity have destroyed the planet?

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* So it's established Wakanda's supply of Vibranium was the result of an mountain-sized meteor slamming into Earth millions of years ago. But considering the insane properties of Vibranium, shouldn't that much of it at a high velocity have destroyed the planet?planet?
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** As said, Zemo is a stranger to him while T'Challa felt immense guilt for Erik and letting him die was the least he could do. Also argueably the ritual fight for kingship was still in effect and would only either if Erik surrendered or died, so keeping to traditions T'Challa was supposed to let him die as Erik would not surrender.
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** As said, Zemo is a stranger to him while T'Challa felt immense guilt for what his family did to Erik and letting him die in freedom was the least he could do. Also argueably the ritual fight for kingship was still in effect and would only either if Erik surrendered or died, so keeping to traditions T'Challa was supposed to let him die as Erik would not surrender.
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* So it's established Wakanda's supply of Vibranium was the result of an mountain-sized meteor slamming into Earth millions of years ago. But considering the insane properties of Vibranium, shouldn't that much of it at a high velocity have destroyed the planet?
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** As said, Zemo is a stranger to him while T'Challa felt immense guilt for Erik and letting him die was the least he could do. Also argueably the ritual fight for kingship was still in effect and would only either if Erik surrendered or died, so keeping to traditions T'Challa was supposed to let him die as Erik would not surrender.
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* In ''Civil War'', T'Challa prevents Zemo from committing suicide because Zemo still has to answer for his crimes, but in this movie T'Challa allows Erik to die on his own terms even when he could save him. Sure, there's whole long-lost cousin TragicVillain and all that, but Erik is still a villain who committed countless immoral acts in his pursuit of vengeance and would have posed a threat to the entire world if T'Challa hadn't stopped him. Erik's goals are far more worse than Zemo's, so why shouldn't he also answers for his crimes regardless of his wish to die?
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**Even if that was T'Challa's way of doing things, Killmonger would have just said "I had to get close to him to kill him."
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** That whole scene is bordering on WhatAnIdiot, combined with HonorBeforeReason. Then again, T’challa is obviously not in a right state of mind, what with having just learned how his father killed his uncle before abandoning his cousin in flipping 1992 Los Angeles.

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** That whole scene is bordering on WhatAnIdiot, combined with HonorBeforeReason. Then again, T’challa is obviously not in a right state of mind, what with having just learned how his father killed his uncle before abandoning his cousin in flipping 1992 Los Angeles.Oakland, California.
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** He was tasked with destroying the CARGO planes. If you remember, the ones he was targeting were of a different make, bigger, like the one he was piloting. That last one, attacking the lab, was a smaller attack plane, which was of no concern. He completed his job.
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* Ross destroyed all the planes that were sending weapons to different parts of the globe but the last plane was blasting through Suri's lab the last time we saw it. Ross escaped and could no longer pilot his own plane, which means that last plane was left in the air.
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* [[spoiler:Despite seeing him working with Klaue, T'Challa never points this out to the Wakandans that Killmonger was working with the man who they all hated and only betrayed him for his own benefit.]]
** That whole scene is bordering on WhatAnIdiot, combined with HonorBeforeReason. Then again, T’challa is obviously not in a right state of mind, what with having just learned [[spoiler:how his father killed his uncle before abandoning his cousin in flipping 1992 Los Angeles.]]
* [[spoiler: Was is really necessary for T’chaka to kill his brother. I mean, he has super strength, bodyguard babes, a super suit and just disarmed the guy. Is it really necessary to then stab him in the heart?]]

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** That whole scene is bordering on WhatAnIdiot, combined with HonorBeforeReason. Then again, T’challa is obviously not in a right state of mind, what with having just learned [[spoiler:how how his father killed his uncle before abandoning his cousin in flipping 1992 Los Angeles.]]
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*** True. T'Challa might have seen it as a way to make amends with what happened between their fathers. It wasn't the best idea but a guy like T'Challa might see honor in it.
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* [[spoiler: Was is really necessary for T’chaka to kill his brother. I mean, he has super strength, bodyguard babes, a super suit and just disarmed the guy. Is it really necessary to then stab him in the heart?]]heart?
** It seemed more reflexive than anything. I think was just his natural, instinctive response to someone trying to kill one of his trusted men. He seemed pretty surprised with himself.
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* [[spoiler:Despite seeing him working with Klaue, T'Challa never points this out to the Wakandans that Killmonger was working with the man who they all hated and only betrayed him for his own benefit.]]

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* [[spoiler:Despite seeing him working with Klaue, T'Challa never points this out to the Wakandans that Killmonger was working with the man who they all hated and only betrayed him for his own benefit.]]]]
** That whole scene is bordering on WhatAnIdiot, combined with HonorBeforeReason. Then again, T’challa is obviously not in a right state of mind, what with having just learned [[spoiler:how his father killed his uncle before abandoning his cousin in flipping 1992 Los Angeles.]]
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** This conversation isn’t in the final movie. He pretends to be ignorant about Wakanda in front of Klaue, however because he doesn’t want to give away Wakanda's secrets.

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** This conversation isn’t in the final movie. He pretends to be ignorant about Wakanda in front of Klaue, however because he doesn’t want to give away Wakanda's secrets.secrets.
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** This conversation isn’t in the final movie. He pretends to be ignorant about Wakanda in front of Klaue, however because he doesn’t want to give away Wakamda’s secrets.

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** This conversation isn’t in the final movie. He pretends to be ignorant about Wakanda in front of Klaue, however because he doesn’t want to give away Wakamda’s Wakanda's secrets.
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** I took Everett's narration, both when he shows disbelief in T'Challa being the Black Panther and the first one where he goes on about the various Avengers and says it's nothing compared to what he sees now (in Wakanda), to be trailer-only narration and not dialogue from the actual movie.

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** I took Everett's narration, both when he shows disbelief in T'Challa being the Black Panther and the first one where he goes on about the various Avengers and says it's nothing compared to what he sees now (in Wakanda), to be trailer-only narration and not dialogue from the actual movie.movie.
** This conversation isn’t in the final movie. He pretends to be ignorant about Wakanda in front of Klaue, however because he doesn’t want to give away Wakamda’s secrets.
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** I took Everett's narration, both when he shows disbelief in T'Challa being the Black Panther and the first one where he goes on about the various Avengers and says it's nothing compared to what he sees now (in Wakanda), to be trailer-only narration and not dialogue from the actual movie.
** He could just be refering to the actual city of Wakanda, with its advanced environment and all.

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** I took Everett's narration, both when he shows disbelief in T'Challa being the Black Panther and the first one where he goes on about the various Avengers and says it's nothing compared to what he sees now (in Wakanda), to be trailer-only narration and not dialogue from the actual movie.
** He could just be refering to the actual city of Wakanda, with its advanced environment and all.
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** I took Everett's narration, both when he shows disbelief in T'Challa being the Black Panther and the first one where he goes on about the various Avengers and says it's nothing compared to what he sees now (in Wakanda), to be trailer-only narration and not dialogue from the actual movie.

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** I took Everett's narration, both when he shows disbelief in T'Challa being the Black Panther and the first one where he goes on about the various Avengers and says it's nothing compared to what he sees now (in Wakanda), to be trailer-only narration and not dialogue from the actual movie.movie.
** He could just be refering to the actual city of Wakanda, with its advanced environment and all.
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* In the final trailer, Everett shows disbelief to Klaue that T'Challa walks around in an indestructible cat suit..... But shouldn't he already know? In Civil War he was found chasing after Steve and Bucky where he even unmasked in public and during the airport fight, he was fighting with Tony's Avengers which the other Ross knew all about.

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* In the final trailer, Everett shows disbelief to Klaue that T'Challa walks around in an indestructible cat suit..... But shouldn't he already know? In Civil War he was found chasing after Steve and Bucky where he even unmasked in public and during the airport fight, he was fighting with Tony's Avengers which the other Ross knew all about.about.
** I took Everett's narration, both when he shows disbelief in T'Challa being the Black Panther and the first one where he goes on about the various Avengers and says it's nothing compared to what he sees now (in Wakanda), to be trailer-only narration and not dialogue from the actual movie.
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* In the final trailer, Everett shows disbelief to Klaue that T'Challa walks around in an indestructible cat suit..... But shouldn't he already know? In Civil War he was found chasing after Steve and Bucky where he even unmasked in public and during the airport fight, he was fighting with Tony's Avengers which the other Ross knew all about.

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