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** There's also the fact that if they return the creepy haunted castle with the Beast and living furnature they left will be replaced with a different castle full of people and headed by a Prince. They'd have no proof to go on, and the prince could simply tell them they were crazy and there's obviously no magic silverware or Beast here, and some of them might even believe they actually were crazy and all of that was a hallunication. And as mentioned, he's a nobleman and his entourage and they're a bunch of village peasants. His word trumps theirs by far, and he could basically have them all executed if it tickled his fancy, so they'd have to believe what he told them to if they valued their skins.

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** There's also the fact that if they return the creepy haunted castle with the Beast and living furnature furniture they left will be replaced with a different castle full of people and headed by a Prince. They'd have no proof to go on, and the prince could simply tell them they were crazy and there's obviously no magic silverware or Beast here, and some of them might even believe they actually were crazy and all of that was a hallunication.hallucination. And as mentioned, he's a nobleman and his entourage and they're a bunch of village peasants. His word trumps theirs by far, and he could basically have them all executed if it tickled his fancy, so they'd have to believe what he told them to if they valued their skins.


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*** That also gives them a nice out too, they can tell themselves they only tried to attack the Beast's castle/listened to Gaston because of the mirror/a curse, so now of course they won't try anything again and will be happy to leave the heroic curse-breaking Belle in peace with the restored prince!
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** It's seen it as time-lapse, showing how much time was passing during the dance, with the moving angels signifying a different angle/point-of-view from Belle and Beast as they changed positions below.

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** It's I've seen it as time-lapse, showing how much time was passing during the dance, with the moving angels signifying a different angle/point-of-view from Belle and Beast as they changed positions below.
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** It's not that nobody ''likes'' Belle and Maurice, it's that everyone thinks Maurice is crazy and that Belle is not just odd, but ''ungrateful'' for rejecting their town hero's advances. It's likely that people are scared of Maurice, even if the asylum owner isn't, because you do see explosions come from their house, and nobody knows what he's inventing. Belle and Maurice disturb their boring, ordinary little lives they're content with having. They're not cruel, they're just very narrow-minded and simple, but not stupid. Everyone there likes their quiet lives, something they can't have with Belle and her father disturbing the status quo. None of the are doing it to be cruel and they're not doing it out of stupidity. If the town hero, who everyone trusts, says something's dangerous, and the only defense it gets is from a weird woman who reads fantasy novels when no other woman reads, you're probably going to side with the town hero. Simply put, nobody sees Gaston as selfish or cruel. They think he deserves Belle if he wants her.

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** It's not that nobody ''likes'' Belle and Maurice, it's that everyone thinks Maurice is crazy and that Belle is not just odd, but ''ungrateful'' for rejecting their town hero's advances. It's likely that people are scared of Maurice, even if the asylum owner isn't, because you do see explosions come from their house, and nobody knows what he's inventing. Belle and Maurice disturb their boring, ordinary little lives they're content with having. They're not cruel, they're just very narrow-minded and simple, but not stupid. Everyone there likes their quiet lives, something they can't have with Belle and her father disturbing the status quo. None of the them are doing it to be cruel and they're not doing it out of stupidity. If the town hero, who everyone trusts, says something's dangerous, and the only defense it gets is from a weird woman who reads fantasy novels when no other woman reads, you're probably going to side with the town hero. Simply put, nobody sees Gaston as selfish or cruel. They think he deserves Belle if he wants her.



*** During the brief second portion of [[VillainSong ''Gaston'']], Gaston and Le Fou are singing openly about doing something to Maurice (which we find out what later), and the villagers ''answer'' their lines to finish the song with "...So his marriage we soon will celebrating!..." so they know from the start that Gaston is planning ''something'' bad about Maurice that actually isn't justified beyond "I want Belle, and I don't like Maurice, so I'll use Maurice in some way to get Belle", and they just cheer him on. The Fridge page for this movie even has an entry about it. The above still answers it clearly on why they don't have a problem though, Maurice and Belle are the weirdos of the village, and Maurice has done something that probably makes them think he's cracked even further than they think he already had, and Gaston is their village's pride and joy, so what could possibly be objectionable to them about Gaston making some scheme to get what he rightly deserves and taking care of a town nuisance all in one fell swoop?
*** Ok, the crowd at the bar knows that he's up to something. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the entire village is in on it.

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*** During the brief second portion of [[VillainSong ''Gaston'']], Gaston and Le Fou [=LeFou=] are singing openly about doing something to Maurice (which we find out what later), and the villagers ''answer'' their lines to finish the song with "...So his marriage we soon will celebrating!..." so they know from the start that Gaston is planning ''something'' bad about Maurice that actually isn't justified beyond "I want Belle, and I don't like Maurice, so I'll use Maurice in some way to get Belle", and they just cheer him on. The Fridge page for this movie even has an entry about it. The above still answers it clearly on why they don't have a problem though, Maurice and Belle are the weirdos of the village, and Maurice has done something that probably makes them think he's cracked even further than they think he already had, and Gaston is their village's pride and joy, so what could possibly be objectionable to them about Gaston making some scheme to get what he rightly deserves and taking care of a town nuisance all in one fell swoop?
*** Ok, Okay, the crowd at the bar knows that he's up to something. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the entire village is in on it.

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** No one knows Belle or Maurice all that well, let alone liking them -- aside from the bookseller, who is strangely absent from mob scenes -- so for all the townsfolk knew, Belle really ''was'' PlayingHardToGet with Gaston.



** No one knows Belle or Maurice all that well, let alone liking them -- aside from the bookseller, who is strangely absent from mob scenes -- so for all the townsfolk knew, Belle really ''was'' PlayingHardToGet with Gaston.
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*** Well, even if the castle was big and was filled with kind servants and a master who grew on her, cabin fever could still have it's affects if she was there for weeks or months. So she may have gone home for sentimental reasons. Some do that to places they haven't been in a while when they miss them.

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*** Well, even if the castle was big and was filled with kind servants and a master who grew on her, cabin fever could still have it's affects its effects if she was there for weeks or months. So she may have gone home for sentimental reasons. Some do that to places they haven't been in a while when they miss them.



*** It could be due to the implications; the suits of armor have axes, so using them would've made the film to dark and gory for Disney (they changed Gaston's death from surviving the fall and being eaten by wolves to just falling for this reason).
** The fight between the objects and mob wasn't just about effectively "fighting back", it was also about SCARING the villagers off! If animate suits of armor attacked, you'd think they're knight's. (Even though knights were obsoleted by this chapter of history) If animate furniture attacked, THAT would look freaky!!

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*** It could be due to the implications; the suits of armor have axes, so using them would've made the film to too dark and gory for Disney (they changed Gaston's death from surviving the fall and being eaten by wolves to just falling for this reason).
** The fight between the objects and mob wasn't just about effectively "fighting back", it was also about SCARING the villagers off! If animate suits of armor attacked, you'd think they're knight's. knights. (Even though knights were obsoleted obsolete by this chapter of history) If animate furniture attacked, THAT would look freaky!!
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** Further in that time, it wouldn't be uncommon for various children of the servants to be tended to and fostered by one person, to be educated in various things. So perhaps all the children were turned into cup and so they are Chip's siblings, he is just the only blood child of Mrs. Potts.

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** Further in that time, it wouldn't be uncommon for various children of the servants to be tended to and fostered by one person, to be educated in various things. So perhaps all the children were turned into cup cups and so they are Chip's siblings, he is just the only blood child of Mrs. Potts.
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*** It would be imagined Cogsworth is the butler - the position (usually held by a male) is in charge of the entire male staff (likewise, the usually female housekeeper is in charge of the female staff, though if the house lacked one, the female staff would likewise follow the butler's direction.) As majordmo and head butler, Cogsworth would be the most senior member of the staff, explaining why he's commonly attempting to direct the other servants. And he wouldn't just be in charge of the dining room! The wine cellar and pantry would also fall under him, as could the entire first floor.

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*** It would be imagined Cogsworth is the butler - the position (usually held by a male) is in charge of the entire male staff (likewise, the usually female housekeeper is in charge of the female staff, though if the house lacked one, the female staff would likewise follow the butler's direction.) As majordmo majordomo and head butler, Cogsworth would be the most senior member of the staff, explaining why he's commonly attempting to direct the other servants. And he wouldn't just be in charge of the dining room! The wine cellar and pantry would also fall under him, as could the entire first floor.
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* Why do human servants have names like [[ADogNamedDog Lumiere, Cogsworth, and Mrs. Potts]]? And they [[ContrievedCoincidence just happened]] to turn into ''[[VisualPun a candelabra, a mantel clock, and a teapot]]?''

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* Why do human servants have names like [[ADogNamedDog Lumiere, Cogsworth, and Mrs. Potts]]? And they [[ContrievedCoincidence [[ContrivedCoincidence just happened]] to turn into ''[[VisualPun a candelabra, a mantel clock, and a teapot]]?''
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* When Maurice and Belle stumble upon the castle, it seems new and mysteriobreecus to them. The Beast isn't even that old, so how does an entire castle seem to drop off the face of the earth to the rest of society?

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* When Maurice and Belle stumble upon the castle, it seems new and mysteriobreecus mysterious to them. The Beast isn't even that old, so how does an entire castle seem to drop off the face of the earth to the rest of society?
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* When Maurice and Belle stumble upon the castle, it seems new and mysterious to them. The Beast isn't even that old, so how does an entire castle seem to drop off the face of the earth to the rest of society?

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* When Maurice and Belle stumble upon the castle, it seems new and mysterious mysteriobreecus to them. The Beast isn't even that old, so how does an entire castle seem to drop off the face of the earth to the rest of society?



* Why do human servants have names like [[ADogNamedDog Lumiere, Cogsworth, and Mrs. Potts]]? And they [[ContrievedCoincidence just happened]] to turn into ''[[VisualPun a candlestick, a clock, and a teapot]]?''

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* Why do human servants have names like [[ADogNamedDog Lumiere, Cogsworth, and Mrs. Potts]]? And they [[ContrievedCoincidence just happened]] to turn into ''[[VisualPun a candlestick, candelabra, a mantel clock, and a teapot]]?''



** Do we actually know what their jobs ''were''? Cogsworth was probably the butler but getting turned into a clock doesn't really parallel that, does it? Having a name with "cog" in it does though. It's uncertain on what Lumiere's job would be that would match getting turned into a candlestick. Mrs Potts was either the housekeeper or the prince's nanny. Of course she could have had a completely different job but getting turned into a teapot kind of narrows down the possible work you can do.

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** Do we actually know what their jobs ''were''? Cogsworth was probably the butler but head butler, also majordomo, before getting turned into a mantel clock doesn't really parallel that, does it? Having a name with "cog" in it does though. It's uncertain on what Lumiere's job would be that would match getting turned into a candlestick.candelabra. Mrs Potts was either the housekeeper or the prince's nanny. Of course she could have had a completely different job but getting turned into a teapot kind of narrows down the possible work you can do.



*** It would be imagined Cogsworth is the butler - the position (usually held by a male) is in charge of the entire male staff (likewise, the usually female housekeeper is in charge of the female staff, though if the house lacked one, the female staff would likewise follow the butler's direction.) As butler, Cogsworth would be the most senior member of the staff, explaining why he's commonly attempting to direct the other servants. And he wouldn't just be in charge of the dining room! The wine cellar and pantry would also fall under him, as could the entire first floor.
** A clock is a perfectly sensible form for a butler to be transformed into. Who do you think is responsible for making sure that all the other servants' work is completed precisely on time?
** Also, while not necessarily canon, VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII has character profiles when you visit Beast's Castle stating that Cogsworth is the butler and majordomo, Lumiere is the maitre d', Mrs. Potts is the head nanny, and the wardrobe, Madame de la Grand Bouche, is the castle's lady's maid.
** [[https://youtu.be/Y9SAisRqUW0?t=1080 It has actually been directly confirmed by Will Finn (supervising animator for Cogsworth) that the objects the servants transformed into was based on their personality.]] Cogsworth turned into a clock because he loves monotony.

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*** It would be imagined Cogsworth is the butler - the position (usually held by a male) is in charge of the entire male staff (likewise, the usually female housekeeper is in charge of the female staff, though if the house lacked one, the female staff would likewise follow the butler's direction.) As majordmo and head butler, Cogsworth would be the most senior member of the staff, explaining why he's commonly attempting to direct the other servants. And he wouldn't just be in charge of the dining room! The wine cellar and pantry would also fall under him, as could the entire first floor.
** A mantel clock is a perfectly sensible form for a butler to be transformed into. Who do you think is responsible for making sure that all the other servants' work is completed precisely on time?
** Also, while not necessarily canon, VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII has character profiles when you visit Beast's Castle stating that Cogsworth is the head butler and majordomo, Lumiere is the maitre d', Mrs. Potts is the head nanny, and the wardrobe, Madame de la Grand Bouche, is the castle's lady's maid.
** [[https://youtu.be/Y9SAisRqUW0?t=1080 It has actually been directly confirmed by Will Finn (supervising animator for Cogsworth) that the objects the servants transformed into was based on their personality.]] Cogsworth has been turned into a mantel clock because he loves monotony.



** This being an age when a lot of people were shaving their heads and wearing powdered wigs to cut down on time spent taking care of their hair (Mr. Cogsworth for one: watch his head near the end when Lumiere slaps him with a glove during their little squabble), Perhaps Mrs. Potts is wearing one of those powdered wigs when she's transformed back, and is actually no older than her mid-forties. Chip was probably her very last child out of seven, and she probably ''is'' well past menopause now, but other than her hair, she shows no signs of being particularly elderly (no wrinkles or arthritis).

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** This being an age when a lot of people were shaving their heads and wearing powdered wigs to cut down on time spent taking care of their hair (Mr. Henry Cogsworth for one: watch his head near the end when Lumiere slaps him with a glove during their little squabble), Perhaps Mrs. Potts is wearing one of those powdered wigs when she's transformed back, and is actually no older than her mid-forties. Chip was probably her very last child out of seven, and she probably ''is'' well past menopause now, but other than her hair, she shows no signs of being particularly elderly (no wrinkles or arthritis).



** Maurice is being ministered to by a ''talking candlestick and clock''. He's barely managing not to FreakOut, faint, and/or run screaming as it is: expecting him to meekly comply if they ask him to ''follow them'' - to the kitchen or anyplace else - would be asking too much of the poor guy's nerves.

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** Maurice is being ministered to by a ''talking candlestick candelabra and mantel clock''. He's barely managing not to FreakOut, faint, and/or run screaming as it is: expecting him to meekly comply if they ask him to ''follow them'' - to the kitchen or anyplace else - would be asking too much of the poor guy's nerves.
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*** Ok, the crowd at the bar knows that he's up to something. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the entire village is in on it.
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*** That would explain why the bookseller doesn't have anything new; Belle's probably not too interested in reading the latest almanac.
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** Whoever said that no one is buying Maurice's inventions? I think it's plausible that he has customers, especially if he sells to travelers who come through town and don't have the local prejudice against him. Belle seems convinced that he'll do well at the fair; maybe that's where he advertises his wares. Not to mention that he doesn't have to just sell inventions per se; he's probably the only guy in town who can fix mechanical stuff when it breaks.
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** Gaston doesn't ''know'' that Belle has been captured. He thinks that Maurice is just a crazy person ranting about stuff that never happened, and in reality Belle is probably just on a trip someplace and she'll be back any day now. The way he sees it, humoring Maurice would just be a big waste of time. He'd go stomping off into the cold bleak woods in the middle of the night, looking for a Beast that doesn't exist in a castle that doesn't exist. He has no interest in doing that.
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** [[https://youtu.be/Y9SAisRqUW0?t=1080 It has actually been directly confirmed by Will Finn (supervising animator for Cogsworth) that the objects the servants transformed into was based on their personality.]] Cogsworth turned into a clock because he loves monotony.
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** Philippe might also have the same scent tracking skills as Maximus from Tangled.
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** In Gaston's eyes, he is naturally owed Belle, and Belle is insane for having the audacity to say no to him. Why should he change when Belle is supposedly the one with the problem?


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** Because Gaston is an entitled, arrogant bastard who believes he is automatically owed the best of the best. It doesn't matter that the Bimbettes are all pretty. They're not ''as pretty'' as Belle, which therefore makes them worse in Gaston's eyes, and Gaston just can't stand having the inferior version of something.


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** Gaston doesn't think him and Belle would be a bad match. He's the most beautiful guy in town and she's the most beautiful girl; that makes them the perfect match! At least that's what Gaston thinks.
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**** It's also worth pointing out that the old woman, dressed in rags and begging for shelter, pulls out a ''perfect, blooming rose'' in the ''middle of winter'' and either nobody puts two and two together and thinks "something weird/magical is up" or nobody cares about pissing off a fairy. Either way, asking for trouble.
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*** During the brief second portion of [[VillainSong ''Gaston'']], Gaston and Le Fou are singing openly about doing something to Maurice (which we find out what later), and the villagers ''answer'' their lines to finish the song with "...So his marriage we soon will celebrating!..." so they know from the start that Gaston is planning ''something'' bad about Maurice that actually isn't justified beyond "I want Belle, and I don't like Maurice, so I'll use Maurice in some way to get Belle", and they just cheer him on. The Fridge page for this movie even has an entry about it. The above still answers it clearly on why they don't have a problem though, Maurice and Belle are the weirdos of the village, and Maurice has done something that probably makes them think he's cracked even further than they think he already had, and Gaston is their village's pride and joy, so what could possibly be objectionable to them about Gaston making some scheme to get what he rightly deserves and taking care of a town nuisance all in one fell swoop?
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* Gaston treats the tavern like his home. It's where he keeps all his hunting trophies, and it's where he calls the asylum keeper to.
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*** Well, if someone randomly showed up at my door asking for shelter (heavy snowstorm aside) only to curse my place when denied such, I wouldn't exactly consider them a GUEST either. Plus that also explains why the painting of him in the west wing depicts him looking much older than 11. (Either that, or the artist who made it was just THAT good at estimating how he would look in his prime.)
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** Lumiere thought two people could fall in love in a few hours. Wouldn't ask for his opinion on how long things take.

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*** Plus, just because Mrs. Potts logically knows the curse can't be broken in a single night doesn't mean she's immune to trying to slightly rush up the process.
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*** Plus, just because Mrs. Potts logically knows the curse can't be broken in a single night doesn't mean she's immune to from trying to slightly rush up the process.
** Lumiere thought two people could fall in love in a few hours. Wouldn't ask for his opinion on how long things take.
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** Really, the whole debacle wasn't about the dinner itself. Lumiere suggested it rather haphazardly and Beast had no hope the dinner would do anything to help the curse. Everyone was so appalled because, for the first time in his life, someone was refusing the Beast's orders.
** Beast was already insistent on the dinner by the time Mrs. Potts would have heard about it. Like all the servants, she was too scared to stand up to him.
*** Plus, just because Mrs. Potts logically knows the curse can't be broken in a single night doesn't mean she's immune to trying to slightly rush up the process.
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** A glass dome placed over something doesn't entirely equate to it not being able to be touched, at least not any moreso than being told not to enter the Beast's private rooms in the west wing, which she was perfectly fine with doing anyway. And it's never said that the rose ''couldn't'' be touched, just that the Beast was extremely protective of it.)

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** A glass dome placed over something doesn't entirely equate to it not being able to be touched, at least not any moreso than being told not to enter the Beast's private rooms in the west wing, which she was perfectly fine with doing anyway. And it's never said that the rose ''couldn't'' be touched, just that the Beast was extremely protective of it.)
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** Guess technically she is ''is'' having an adventure of a sort and she ''is'' out of that poor provincial town...

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** The live action remake answered this by saying that one of the effects of the curse was that outsiders forgot the castle and its inhabitance existence.

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!!No one cleans up "[[Administrivia/FirstPersonWriting This Troper]]" far better than Gaston!



** Well, maybe, but then Belle comes in trying to tell them all, "Oh, no, he's so gentle and caring and sweet...Really, he wouldn't hurt a fly." I'm gonna be honest - if I heard her saying that about a beast who so far I'd only seen roaring and barring his teeth through the mirror, I might think she was a little nutso, too. And Maurice certainly wasn't about to turn on his daughter, either, so they locked them both in the cellar.

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** Well, maybe, but then Belle comes in trying to tell them all, "Oh, no, he's so gentle and caring and sweet...Really, he wouldn't hurt a fly." I'm gonna To be honest - if I heard hearing her saying that about a beast who so far I'd is only seen roaring and barring his teeth through the mirror, I might think perhaps she was a little nutso, too. And Maurice certainly wasn't about to turn on his daughter, either, so they locked them both in the cellar.



** Frankly, what puzzles me more is that she saw the transformation happening. I mean, c'mon, who ''else'' could he possibly be? I guess, she was just a bit shocked, it's not like she sees things like that every day.

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** Frankly, what puzzles me more puzzling is that she saw the transformation happening. I mean, c'mon, C'mon, who ''else'' could he possibly be? I guess, Perhaps she was just a bit shocked, it's not like she sees things like that every day.



*** Belle also asks the bookseller if he's got any new books, which I took to mean that she's read every book in the place, some of them twice.

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*** Belle also asks the bookseller if he's got any new books, which I took can be taken to mean that she's read every book in the place, some of them twice.



** I always thought he was too stubborn and proud to tell her, then he didn't want to guilt her into it.

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** I always It can be thought that he was too stubborn and proud to tell her, then he didn't want to guilt her into it.



** Belle was just told not to go in the West Wing. Not that she couldn't touch the rose. If I recall, the rose was glowing so maybe she wanted to see if it was just a realistic looking light or an actual flower that glows.
** My grandma had a clock in her house that was covered with a similar glass covering. And there ''was'' a point where I removed the glass so I could have a closer look at what was inside. It's kind of like sticking up a giant sign saying "Don't go near this!", where the SchmuckBait is too strong to resist.

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** Belle was just told not to go in the West Wing. Not that she couldn't touch the rose. If I To recall, the rose was glowing so maybe she wanted to see if it was just a realistic looking light or an actual flower that glows.
** My grandma had a clock in her house that was covered with a similar glass covering. And there ''was'' a point where I removed the glass so I could have a closer look at what was inside. It's kind of like sticking up a giant sign saying "Don't go near this!", where the SchmuckBait is too strong to resist.
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** It could also have been that his parents died when he was young and he inherited the throne (this troper is fairly certain that a prince doesn't necessarily become King when his father dies, but then laws of succession aren't her specialty). After the prince was cursed, either the people he ruled over got freaked out and or thought he died (when he stopped showing up) and left. Or, they left because he didn't do a good job ruling.

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** It could also have been that his parents died when he was young and he inherited the throne (this troper is (it's fairly certain that a prince doesn't necessarily become King when his father dies, but then laws of succession aren't her specialty). After the prince was cursed, either the people he ruled over got freaked out and or thought he died (when he stopped showing up) and left. Or, they left because he didn't do a good job ruling.



* Where do the residents of the castle get all the food that they feed Belle during "Be Our Guest" and subsequent scenes? Assuming that magically enchanted furniture doesn't need to eat, the Beast is the only one there who would need real food since the curse, and he doesn't seem like the type to be requesting gourmet meals. They could have a small farm area worked by enchanted gardening equipment that we just never see, but that couldn't account for the sheer variety of food that we see, not to mention items like chocolate that simply don't grow in that climate. And I doubt they have the facilities for processing grain into the flour needed for all those pastries we see...

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* Where do the residents of the castle get all the food that they feed Belle during "Be Our Guest" and subsequent scenes? Assuming that magically enchanted furniture doesn't need to eat, the Beast is the only one there who would need real food since the curse, and he doesn't seem like the type to be requesting gourmet meals. They could have a small farm area worked by enchanted gardening equipment that we just never see, but that couldn't account for the sheer variety of food that we see, not to mention items like chocolate that simply don't grow in that climate. And I doubt it's doubtful they have the facilities for processing grain into the flour needed for all those pastries we see...



** This troper always chalked it up to the weird timeline. The best explanation she heard is that the "adventure in the Great Wide somewhere" thing happens in late fall, which is unusually warm and sunny, and that there were a number of days that passed between her staying at the castle and the "Gaston" scene (incidentally, it's also snowing when she is attacked by the wolves).
*** But if that is the case, then why would Gaston be talking about her - "Who does that girl think she is?!" - days after. I highly doubt he'd wait a few days before bitching about her to his friends in the tavern, and he's too proud to be in a grump over her for that long. This troper thinks it simply a dodgy timeline on Disney's part.

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** This troper always It has been chalked it up to the weird timeline. The best explanation she heard is that the "adventure in the Great Wide somewhere" thing happens in late fall, which is unusually warm and sunny, and that there were a number of days that passed between her staying at the castle and the "Gaston" scene (incidentally, it's also snowing when she is attacked by the wolves).
*** But if that is the case, then why would Gaston be talking about her - "Who does that girl think she is?!" - days after. I It's highly doubt doubtful he'd wait a few days before bitching about her to his friends in the tavern, and he's too proud to be in a grump over her for that long. This troper thinks it It's simply a dodgy timeline on Disney's part.



** I, uh, I'm gonna point out that I'm from southern Alberta, Canada, and it is not uncommon AT ALL to have a nice sunny afternoon followed by an evening of heavy snowfall in, say, November. Maybe that's not normal in other parts of the world, but it never stood out as surprising to me.
*** This troper lives in Sweden, Northern Europe, and can confirm that the shifting between heavy snowstorm and sunshine in late fall through winter is standard here too. It's not as rare as one thinks. However, some of the confusion is understandable in that Belle lives in France, which isn't as cold. The closest I can think of that makes sense in this case is that she lives in the northern part of the country, as it equals colder in Europe. Not much in temperature differs, but that's my guess.
** Pathetic fallacy, my friends. That scene where Belle was running around and singing wouldn't have been so happy if she had been singing in a snowstorm.

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** I, uh, I'm gonna point out that I'm from For anyone who lives southern Alberta, Canada, and it is not uncommon AT ALL to have a nice sunny afternoon followed by an evening of heavy snowfall in, say, November. Maybe that's not normal in other parts of the world, but it never stood out as surprising to me.
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*** This troper For anyone who lives in Sweden, Northern Europe, and can confirm that the shifting between heavy snowstorm and sunshine in late fall through winter is standard here too. It's not as rare as one thinks. However, some of the confusion is understandable in that Belle lives in France, which isn't as cold. The closest I can think thoughts of that makes sense in this case is that she lives in the northern part of the country, as it equals colder in Europe. Not much in temperature differs, but that's my a guess.
** Pathetic fallacy, my dear friends. That scene where Belle was running around and singing wouldn't have been so happy if she had been singing in a snowstorm.



* Related to this, since Belle and Beast were together for a couple months, there are a few things that bug me. '''1)''' Why did Maurice wait ''that'' long to go out and try and take Belle back? '''2)''' Didn't anyone notice that Belle wasn't walking around town anymore? Surely, ''someone'' must have wondered where that funny girl was, especially the librarian.
** I kind of assumed Belle didn't leave the house every day. Sometimes she wouldn't be seen for days on end because she'd be helping Maurice with his latest invention.

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* Related to this, since Belle and Beast were together for a couple months, there are a few things that bug me.that'. '''1)''' Why did Maurice wait ''that'' long to go out and try and take Belle back? '''2)''' Didn't anyone notice that Belle wasn't walking around town anymore? Surely, ''someone'' must have wondered where that funny girl was, especially the librarian.
** I It's kind of assumed Belle didn't leave the house every day. Sometimes she wouldn't be seen for days on end because she'd be helping Maurice with his latest invention.



* Why does the Enchantress turn the servants into talking furniture? What's the point? I thought it was ''the Prince'' she was angry at.

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* Why does the Enchantress turn the servants into talking furniture? What's the point? I It's been thought it was ''the Prince'' she was angry at.



* At the beginning, it's stated that the rose will bloom until "his 21st year," and the Beast is clearly not yet twenty-one yet in the film as the rose is still blooming. In the song Be Our Guest, Lumiere says "ten years we've been rusting." Does this mean that the Beast was only ''eleven'' when he was cursed by the Enchantress? Beacuse that just sounds a little odd to me. I mean, sure, he may have been a selfish, spoiled little brat, but a lot of eleven year olds are! He would have had a lot of growing up to do and it seems overly mean to put such a curse on such a small child.

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* At the beginning, it's stated that the rose will bloom until "his 21st year," and the Beast is clearly not yet twenty-one yet in the film as the rose is still blooming. In the song Be Our Guest, Lumiere says "ten years we've been rusting." Does this mean that the Beast was only ''eleven'' when he was cursed by the Enchantress? Beacuse that just sounds a little odd to me. I mean, odd. Well, sure, he may have been a selfish, spoiled little brat, but a lot of eleven year olds are! He would have had a lot of growing up to do and it seems overly mean to put such a curse on such a small child.



** I'm pretty sure hangings used to be family events, practically holidays. People would bring picnics. (Or at least, this being so is common in literature, which is excuse enough for it being true in other media.)

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** I'm pretty Pretty sure hangings used to be family events, practically holidays. People would bring picnics. (Or at least, this being so is common in literature, which is excuse enough for it being true in other media.)



** Only one problem with the above, Maurice wasn't going to be ''lynched'' at all. Gaston was threatening to send him to the funnyfarm. As for the mothers and children, if you look closely you'll notice they weren't a part of Gaston's gang; I think they were drawn to Belle's place by all the commotion Gaston was making.

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** Only one problem with the above, Maurice wasn't going to be ''lynched'' at all. Gaston was threatening to send him to the funnyfarm. As for the mothers and children, if you look closely you'll notice they weren't a part of Gaston's gang; I think certainly they were drawn to Belle's place by all the commotion Gaston was making.



* What else surprises me about that is that Belle doesn't even tell Beast that "I'll come back to visit" or something.

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* What else surprises me is surprising about that is that Belle doesn't even tell Beast that "I'll come back to visit" or something.



*** Reminding you that the Beast had only days left on the rose - what did it matter if she came back in a few days, if he could never be human and all his servants would have turned into household objects forever? Even if she does come back it's still too late. Also at that point neither of them had confessed their feelings for each other, the Beast probably assumed that if it hadn't happened yet it ''never'' will. He had tried his best, he had given it everything he could and still failed.

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*** Reminding you that the Beast had only days left on the rose - what did it matter if she came back in a few days, if he could never be human and all his servants would have turned into household objects forever? Even if she does come back it's still too late. Also at that point neither of them had confessed their feelings for each other, the Beast probably assumed that if it hadn't happened yet it ''never'' will. He had tried his best, he had given it everything he could and still failed.



** I take it to be somewhat ironic. Belle does end up "somewhere," just a place she least expected.

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** I take it It's been taken to be somewhat ironic. Belle does end up "somewhere," just a place she least expected.



** Yeah... This kind of bugs me to this day. I guess technically she is ''is'' having an adventure of a sort and she ''is'' out of that poor provincial town...

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** Yeah... This kind of bugs me to this day. I guess Guess technically she is ''is'' having an adventure of a sort and she ''is'' out of that poor provincial town...



** I genuinely just assumed that Belle realises that adventure doesn't necessarily mean things like climbing mountains, fighting dragons or solving a thrilling mystery.

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** I It's genuinely just assumed that Belle realises that adventure doesn't necessarily mean things like climbing mountains, fighting dragons or solving a thrilling mystery.



** Do we actually know what their jobs ''were''? Cogsworth was probably the butler but getting turned into a clock doesn't really parallel that, does it? Having a name with "cog" in it does though. I can't think what Lumiere's job would be that would match getting turned into a candlestick. Mrs Potts was either the housekeeper or the prince's nanny. Of course she could have had a completely different job but getting turned into a teapot kind of narrows down the possible work you can do.
*** I assume Lumiere was honestly just in charge of lighting the castle, since it's lit by candles. Cogsworth was possibly like his personal assistant (whatever the archaic term was. Chaperone?), which would explain why time is his shtick- he's supposed to be punctual. Cogsworth spends a lot of time insisting they get from point A to point B in a timely and orderly fashion, so I doubt he's just the head of the kitchen and dining room.
*** I'd imagine Cogsworth is the butler - the position (usually held by a male) is in charge of the entire male staff (likewise, the usually female housekeeper is in charge of the female staff, though if the house lacked one, the female staff would likewise follow the butler's direction.) As butler, Cogsworth would be the most senior member of the staff, explaining why he's commonly attempting to direct the other servants. And he wouldn't just be in charge of the dining room! The wine cellar and pantry would also fall under him, as could the entire first floor.

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** Do we actually know what their jobs ''were''? Cogsworth was probably the butler but getting turned into a clock doesn't really parallel that, does it? Having a name with "cog" in it does though. I can't think It's uncertain on what Lumiere's job would be that would match getting turned into a candlestick. Mrs Potts was either the housekeeper or the prince's nanny. Of course she could have had a completely different job but getting turned into a teapot kind of narrows down the possible work you can do.
*** I assume It's assumed Lumiere was honestly just in charge of lighting the castle, since it's lit by candles. Cogsworth was possibly like his personal assistant (whatever the archaic term was. Chaperone?), which would explain why time is his shtick- he's supposed to be punctual. Cogsworth spends a lot of time insisting they get from point A to point B in a timely and orderly fashion, so I doubt it's doubtful he's just the head of the kitchen and dining room.
*** I'd imagine It would be imagined Cogsworth is the butler - the position (usually held by a male) is in charge of the entire male staff (likewise, the usually female housekeeper is in charge of the female staff, though if the house lacked one, the female staff would likewise follow the butler's direction.) As butler, Cogsworth would be the most senior member of the staff, explaining why he's commonly attempting to direct the other servants. And he wouldn't just be in charge of the dining room! The wine cellar and pantry would also fall under him, as could the entire first floor.



** Also, while not necessarily canon, VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII has character profiles when you visit Beast's Castle stating that Cogsworth is the butler and majordomo, Lumiere is the maitre d', Mrs. Potts is the head nanny, and the wardrobe (this troper can't recall her name) is the castle's lady's maid.

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** Also, while not necessarily canon, VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII has character profiles when you visit Beast's Castle stating that Cogsworth is the butler and majordomo, Lumiere is the maitre d', Mrs. Potts is the head nanny, and the wardrobe (this troper can't recall her name) wardrobe, Madame de la Grand Bouche, is the castle's lady's maid.



** There were six other cups in the same ''compartment'' of the cupboard as Chip, and a dozen or so more in the other compartments. I'm guessing those six (who also helped Mrs. Potts pour hot tea on the villagers during their raid on the castle while Chip was off springing Belle and Maurice from the cellar where Gaston had imprisoned them) are all Chip's blood siblings, while the others are just children of the other kitchen staff. After all, it's highly unlikely Mrs. Potts was the ''only'' mother on staff at that estate.

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** There were six other cups in the same ''compartment'' of the cupboard as Chip, and a dozen or so more in the other compartments. I'm guessing Guessing those six (who also helped Mrs. Potts pour hot tea on the villagers during their raid on the castle while Chip was off springing Belle and Maurice from the cellar where Gaston had imprisoned them) are all Chip's blood siblings, while the others are just children of the other kitchen staff. After all, it's highly unlikely Mrs. Potts was the ''only'' mother on staff at that estate.



*** Well, even if the castle was big and was filled with kind servants and a master who grew on her, cabin fever could still have it's affects if she was there for weeks or months. So she may have gone home for sentimental reasons. I do that to places I haven't been in a while when I miss them.

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*** Well, even if the castle was big and was filled with kind servants and a master who grew on her, cabin fever could still have it's affects if she was there for weeks or months. So she may have gone home for sentimental reasons. I Some do that to places I they haven't been in a while when I they miss them.



* While Cogsworth is giving Belle a tour of the castle, they walk down a corridor filled with suits of armor that all turn to look at Belle as they walk by. So, where were these during the battle scene? I'm sure they'd be much better [[JustForPun suited]] for scaring off the villagers than assorted furniture, RuleOfFunny notwithstanding.

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* While Cogsworth is giving Belle a tour of the castle, they walk down a corridor filled with suits of armor that all turn to look at Belle as they walk by. So, where were these during the battle scene? I'm Pretty sure they'd be much better [[JustForPun suited]] for scaring off the villagers than assorted furniture, RuleOfFunny notwithstanding.



** I think initially, he wanted her because she was the only one he considered to be attractive enough to be worth him, but then she rejected him. That rejection was a huge blow to his massive ego and his ego is basically his entire identity. He needed to avenge himself to back up his own self image and the way other people looked at him. Plus there's always that 'you want what you can't have' thing.

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** I think Perhaps initially, he wanted her because she was the only one he considered to be attractive enough to be worth him, but then she rejected him. That rejection was a huge blow to his massive ego and his ego is basically his entire identity. He needed to avenge himself to back up his own self image and the way other people looked at him. Plus there's always that 'you want what you can't have' thing.



** Besides of what above troper says, I'll just point out that Gaston, if you remember, is a hunter. Maybe he sees Belle as some hard to get prey.

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** Besides of what above troper says, I'll just point pointing out that Gaston, if you remember, is a hunter. Maybe he sees Belle as some hard to get prey.



*** That explains their immediate decision to kill Beast, but that still leaves my original question unanswered why they didn't call Gaston out for all the cruel and selfish actions he did, setting Belle's father up to be locked away in a mental institute unless she agreed to marry him being the main one.
** I think it was established that nobody likes Maurice and Belle very much. People think they are "odd" and "different" and for the town's people that's not much of a stretch to assume they are a little wrong in the head, and that sending Maurice to the asylum is therefore justified. As for "blackmailing Belle into marriage," well, every man envies Gaston and every woman swoons over him. That Belle and her father don't just adds to their oddness. Besides, for them it's not blackmailing, because a) a "good" boy does it to a "bad" girl; and b) there's nothing wrong with proving your manliness by showing a little force to stick it to a naughty woman who dares to reject ''Gaston''. That was pretty much a common DoubleStandard back then, really, especially in the countryside among the simple folk.

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*** That explains their immediate decision to kill Beast, but that still leaves my the original question unanswered why they didn't call Gaston out for all the cruel and selfish actions he did, setting Belle's father up to be locked away in a mental institute unless she agreed to marry him being the main one.
** I think it It was established that nobody likes Maurice and Belle very much. People think they are "odd" and "different" and for the town's people that's not much of a stretch to assume they are a little wrong in the head, and that sending Maurice to the asylum is therefore justified. As for "blackmailing Belle into marriage," well, every man envies Gaston and every woman swoons over him. That Belle and her father don't just adds to their oddness. Besides, for them it's not blackmailing, because a) a "good" boy does it to a "bad" girl; and b) there's nothing wrong with proving your manliness by showing a little force to stick it to a naughty woman who dares to reject ''Gaston''. That was pretty much a common DoubleStandard back then, really, especially in the countryside among the simple folk.



** It's not that nobody ''likes'' Belle and Maurice, it's that everyone thinks Maurice is crazy and that Belle is not just odd, but ''ungrateful'' for rejecting their town hero's advances. I think people are scared of Maurice, even if the asylum owner isn't, because you do see explosions come from their house, and nobody knows what he's inventing. Belle and Maurice disturb their boring, ordinary little lives they're content with having. They're not cruel, they're just very narrow-minded and simple, but not stupid. Everyone there likes their quiet lives, something they can't have with Belle and her father disturbing the status quo. None of the are doing it to be cruel and they're not doing it out of stupidity. If the town hero, who everyone trusts, says something's dangerous, and the only defense it gets is from a weird woman who reads fantasy novels when no other woman reads, you're probably going to side with the town hero. Simply put, nobody sees Gaston as selfish or cruel. They think he deserves Belle if he wants her.

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** It's not that nobody ''likes'' Belle and Maurice, it's that everyone thinks Maurice is crazy and that Belle is not just odd, but ''ungrateful'' for rejecting their town hero's advances. I think It's likely that people are scared of Maurice, even if the asylum owner isn't, because you do see explosions come from their house, and nobody knows what he's inventing. Belle and Maurice disturb their boring, ordinary little lives they're content with having. They're not cruel, they're just very narrow-minded and simple, but not stupid. Everyone there likes their quiet lives, something they can't have with Belle and her father disturbing the status quo. None of the are doing it to be cruel and they're not doing it out of stupidity. If the town hero, who everyone trusts, says something's dangerous, and the only defense it gets is from a weird woman who reads fantasy novels when no other woman reads, you're probably going to side with the town hero. Simply put, nobody sees Gaston as selfish or cruel. They think he deserves Belle if he wants her.



** The above response may have been meant as a joke, but I honestly think the commenter was on to something. Lumiere has already expressed a firm belief that Belle "has come to break the spell!". But she can't do that if the Beast keeps treating her like a prisoner. "She's our guest! We must make her feel welcome here!" is his way of trying to salvage a bad situation and make Belle feel at home.

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** The above response may have been meant as a joke, but I honestly think honestly, the commenter was on to something. Lumiere has already expressed a firm belief that Belle "has come to break the spell!". But she can't do that if the Beast keeps treating her like a prisoner. "She's our guest! We must make her feel welcome here!" is his way of trying to salvage a bad situation and make Belle feel at home.



** I always assumed they were more transformed children of the castle staff.
** I saw it as time-lapse, showing how much time was passing during the dance, with the moving angels signifying a different angle/point-of-view from Belle and Beast as they changed positions below.

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** I It's always assumed they were more transformed children of the castle staff.
** I saw It's seen it as time-lapse, showing how much time was passing during the dance, with the moving angels signifying a different angle/point-of-view from Belle and Beast as they changed positions below.



** Let's not forget that the mob invaded the home of a prince in what seems to be 18th-19th century France with hostile intent and actions. The village might be filled with superstitious bumpkins, but I doubt even a superstitious bumpkin would risk provoking the wrath of a prince in the time period the movie is set in after what happened when the mob invaded the castle. Going from French law in the assumed time period, the prince would be within his rights to have the villagers who took part in Gaston's invasion executed or at least the ringleaders who survived the invasion of the castle. It would be better to avoid provoking the prince's wrath if not try to be friendly to with him.
** The villagers don't know that the Beast and the Prince are the same person. If a new mob got together and decided to kill the Beast, they wouldn't know where to find him. The Prince could just say "Oh, you're looking for the Beast? I think he ran off into the woods after he killed Gaston..."

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** Let's not forget that the mob invaded the home of a prince in what seems to be 18th-19th century France with hostile intent and actions. The village might be filled with superstitious bumpkins, but I doubt it's doubtful even a superstitious bumpkin would risk provoking the wrath of a prince in the time period the movie is set in after what happened when the mob invaded the castle. Going from French law in the assumed time period, the prince would be within his rights to have the villagers who took part in Gaston's invasion executed or at least the ringleaders who survived the invasion of the castle. It would be better to avoid provoking the prince's wrath if not try to be friendly to with him.
** The villagers don't know that the Beast and the Prince are the same person. If a new mob got together and decided to kill the Beast, they wouldn't know where to find him. The Prince could just say "Oh, you're looking for the Beast? I think Perhaps he ran off into the woods after he killed Gaston..."



** I'm sure if they were just told that the castle was cursed and Belle broke the curse, it wouldn't have been that difficult to explain for the Prince, or to believe for the mob. After all, ANIMATE HOUSEHOLD ITEMS fought them back.
** I take issue with the "or anyone they can find" part. The villagers supported Maurice being thrown into the loony bin because they genuinely thought he belonged there, and they got behind killing the Beast because they thought he was as savage and dangerous as his appearance implied. That doesn't point to them being cold-blooded murderers who would try to kill an entire castle filled with ordinary ''human'' people.

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** I'm Pretty sure if they were just told that the castle was cursed and Belle broke the curse, it wouldn't have been that difficult to explain for the Prince, or to believe for the mob. After all, ANIMATE HOUSEHOLD ITEMS fought them back.
** I take There's the issue with the "or anyone they can find" part. The villagers supported Maurice being thrown into the loony bin because they genuinely thought he belonged there, and they got behind killing the Beast because they thought he was as savage and dangerous as his appearance implied. That doesn't point to them being cold-blooded murderers who would try to kill an entire castle filled with ordinary ''human'' people.



** The prince might not have had that many servants and the enchantress's spell simply brought some of the inanimate objects to life as well. My theory is that only things that have recognisable faces and personalities were originally servants. Things like forks, tankards, glasses etc were just brought to life by the enchantment.

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** The prince might not have had that many servants and the enchantress's spell simply brought some of the inanimate objects to life as well. My One theory is that only things that have recognisable faces and personalities were originally servants. Things like forks, tankards, glasses etc were just brought to life by the enchantment.



*** I can personally confirm failing a spot check as badly as Belle by book-distraction.

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*** I It can personally confirm be confirmed on failing a spot check as badly as Belle by book-distraction.



** He probably survived with the rest of the mob, but he was too unimportant to Disney to be followed up on. I mean, really, who cares about a little French man with a big fleshy nose?

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** He probably survived with the rest of the mob, but he was too unimportant to Disney to be followed up on. I mean, Like, really, who cares about a little French man with a big fleshy nose?



* So is Mrs. Potts younger than she looks, or is Chip adopted? I mean, I guess it's not impossible that a woman as old as she APPEARS to be could have had a child only years before, but she certainly looks well past child-bearing age, and Chip is just a small child, so he can't have been born more than a few years before the transformation/age-freezing.

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* So is Mrs. Potts younger than she looks, or is Chip adopted? I mean, I guess Guess it's not impossible that a woman as old as she APPEARS to be could have had a child only years before, but she certainly looks well past child-bearing age, and Chip is just a small child, so he can't have been born more than a few years before the transformation/age-freezing.



** This being an age when a lot of people were shaving their heads and wearing powdered wigs to cut down on time spent taking care of their hair (Mr. Cogsworth for one: watch his head near the end when Lumiere slaps him with a glove during their little squabble), I'm thinking Mrs. Potts is wearing one of those powdered wigs when she's transformed back, and is actually no older than her mid-forties. Chip was probably her very last child out of seven, and she probably ''is'' well past menopause now, but other than her hair, she shows no signs of being particularly elderly (no wrinkles or arthritis).
** Or more simply she went grey at a young age. I have a great aunt who was grey-haired by the time she was thirty and another friend who went grey in his teens. It happens.

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** This being an age when a lot of people were shaving their heads and wearing powdered wigs to cut down on time spent taking care of their hair (Mr. Cogsworth for one: watch his head near the end when Lumiere slaps him with a glove during their little squabble), I'm thinking Perhaps Mrs. Potts is wearing one of those powdered wigs when she's transformed back, and is actually no older than her mid-forties. Chip was probably her very last child out of seven, and she probably ''is'' well past menopause now, but other than her hair, she shows no signs of being particularly elderly (no wrinkles or arthritis).
** Or more simply she went grey at a young age. I have a great aunt who was grey-haired by the time she was thirty and another friend who went grey It happens.
** See AbsurdlyElderlyMother
in his teens. It happens.some cases.



* This may be a minor detail...but how is it that, during "Tale as old as Time", Belle apparently knew how to dance? I'm assuming the Beast would have...He's a prince, after all, so I'd assume he would've learned how to at some point in his life...but instead, ''he's'' the one who looks nervous when the scene begins. But where, when, and how would Belle have learned how to dance so well if she was shown from the beginning to be a bookworm with no romantic interest in boys?

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* This may be a minor detail...but how is it that, during "Tale as old as Time", Belle apparently knew how to dance? I'm assuming It's assumed the Beast would have...He's a prince, after all, so I'd assume assuming he would've learned how to at some point in his life...but instead, ''he's'' the one who looks nervous when the scene begins. But where, when, and how would Belle have learned how to dance so well if she was shown from the beginning to be a bookworm with no romantic interest in boys?



* So...when the Enchantress cursed the Beast, did she also magically increase the size of all of his clothing? I mean, Adam seems like a pretty big guy even when we see him as a human in the ending, but when you look at that waistcoat he's wearing during his dinner with Belle...Or did he just have one of his servants make him new clothes during the ten years he spent alone?

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* So...when the Enchantress cursed the Beast, did she also magically increase the size of all of his clothing? I mean, Adam seems like a pretty big guy even when we see him as a human in the ending, but when you look at that waistcoat he's wearing during his dinner with Belle...Or did he just have one of his servants make him new clothes during the ten years he spent alone?



* When attempting to talk Belle out of entering the west wing, why didn't Lumiere and Cogsworth simply explain the reason why the room was forbidden by the Beast? While the Beast was a bit more justified (his curse was obviously nothing he wanted to brag about), I don't understand why Cogsworth and Lumiere would have a problem explaining the whole enchanted rose scenario. They were clearly desperate to prevent Belle from entering, and their efforts weren't really helping ("The master is hiding nothing"), so why didn't they just tell her everything?
** If Adam doesn't want anyone to know about his curse, I don't think he would be happy if his servants when about telling people. Plus, it's not entirely true that he was really ''hiding'' anything in the west wing, aside from maybe the fact that it was all torn up, which to Belle didn't come as very surprising anyway...It's just his private chambers.

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* When attempting to talk Belle out of entering the west wing, why didn't Lumiere and Cogsworth simply explain the reason why the room was forbidden by the Beast? While the Beast was a bit more justified (his curse was obviously nothing he wanted to brag about), I don't understand It's incomprehensible why Cogsworth and Lumiere would have a problem explaining the whole enchanted rose scenario. They were clearly desperate to prevent Belle from entering, and their efforts weren't really helping ("The master is hiding nothing"), so why didn't they just tell her everything?
** If Adam doesn't want anyone to know about his curse, I don't think it's unlikely he would be happy if his servants when about telling people. Plus, it's not entirely true that he was really ''hiding'' anything in the west wing, aside from maybe the fact that it was all torn up, which to Belle didn't come as very surprising anyway...It's just his private chambers.



* Why doesn't the Beast ever tell Belle his real name during the film? If it were me, I think I'd get tired of calling him "Beast", and it serves as a problem to the audience as well, since we never find out (in the film, at least) what his real name is supposed to be?

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* Why doesn't the Beast ever tell Belle his real name during the film? If it were me, I think I'd They'd likely get tired of calling him "Beast", and it serves as a problem to the audience as well, since we never find out (in the film, at least) what his real name is supposed to be?



** Beast is ashamed of his transformation. I think the very memory that he used to be human is painful for him, because it reminds him of how far he's fallen. That's why he tore up his own portrait in the West Wing. Likewise, the name "Adam" reminds him of his past, so he prefers to call himself "Beast" in the meantime and he doesn't tell Belle his original name. (Presumably he tells her after the spell is broken.)

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** Beast is ashamed of his transformation. I think Perhaps the very memory that he used to be human is painful for him, because it reminds him of how far he's fallen. That's why he tore up his own portrait in the West Wing. Likewise, the name "Adam" reminds him of his past, so he prefers to call himself "Beast" in the meantime and he doesn't tell Belle his original name. (Presumably he tells her after the spell is broken.)



* So, I know, and I've heard that the enchantress transformed Adam's servants because they were supposedly responsible for making him a selfish prince, but did she have to transform ''Chip''? Whether they age with the spell in effect or not, he had to still be a little kid when it was originally cast - what could he have done to Adam that caused him to become more of a royal pain?
** I'm not a fan of the "servants are partly responsible" hypothesis. No, she was a fairy, and she was a trickster, and assuming she did anything due to being a nice entity is coming at it from the wrong angle. She was screwing with people as a way to entertain herself.

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* So, I know, and I've heard that the enchantress transformed Adam's servants because they were supposedly responsible for making him a selfish prince, but did she have to transform ''Chip''? Whether they age with the spell in effect or not, he had to still be a little kid when it was originally cast - what could he have done to Adam that caused him to become more of a royal pain?
** I'm From someone who's not a fan of the "servants are partly responsible" hypothesis. No, hypothesis, no, she was a fairy, and she was a trickster, and assuming she did anything due to being a nice entity is coming at it from the wrong angle. She was screwing with people as a way to entertain herself.



** I'm guessing the Enchantress just put a curse on the entire castle and every living thing inside it was effect, without discrimination. The point of it was to teach Adam a lesson, meaning she clearly believed that he ''could'' be changed, so perhaps she didn't want him to have to give up his dog due to an inability to take care of it...or something.

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** I'm guessing It's a guess that the Enchantress just put a curse on the entire castle and every living thing inside it was effect, without discrimination. The point of it was to teach Adam a lesson, meaning she clearly believed that he ''could'' be changed, so perhaps she didn't want him to have to give up his dog due to an inability to take care of it...or something.



** That's...a good point. The only answer I can come up with is Philippe was very smart for a horse, so he was able to bring Belle back to where he abandoned Maurice. And since there was only one road through the forest in that direction, other than the dead end at the cliff, there was nowhere else he could have gone. So she followed the road until she found the gate, and then saw his hat.
** Another possibility is Phillipe came across the castle after Maurice had already gone inside, deduced that it's the only logical place his rider could've been, and went back to fetch Belle and bring her there to help. Though, I'll admit, this does seem a bit ''too'' smart for a horse like Phillipe to have mustered.

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** That's...a good point. The only answer I can to come up with is Philippe was very smart for a horse, so he was able to bring Belle back to where he abandoned Maurice. And since there was only one road through the forest in that direction, other than the dead end at the cliff, there was nowhere else he could have gone. So she followed the road until she found the gate, and then saw his hat.
** Another possibility is Phillipe came across the castle after Maurice had already gone inside, deduced that it's the only logical place his rider could've been, and went back to fetch Belle and bring her there to help. Though, I'll to admit, this does seem a bit ''too'' smart for a horse like Phillipe to have mustered.



** Notice how when the Beast ''does'' nearly die, we see the servants sadly hanging their heads as the last petal falls. I think it was pretty obvious they knew (or at least figured) that they'd be stuck as enchanted household appliances without their master alive to break the spell.

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** Notice how when the Beast ''does'' nearly die, we see the servants sadly hanging their heads as the last petal falls. I think Perhaps it was pretty obvious they knew (or at least figured) that they'd be stuck as enchanted household appliances without their master alive to break the spell.



* I know that Lumiere is supposed to be hospitable and everything, but why did he think it safe to go so far towards making Maurice feel welcome when he arrived at the castle? Leaving him to freeze to death outside is one thing, of course, and they are all under a curse due to being so ''un''hospitable in the first place, but when you know that your master's got a bit of a temper, wouldn't it be a good idea to at least consider letting him know about Maurice before rolling out the welcome wagon?

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* I know that Lumiere is supposed to be hospitable and everything, but why did he think it safe to go so far towards making Maurice feel welcome when he arrived at the castle? Leaving him to freeze to death outside is one thing, of course, and they are all under a curse due to being so ''un''hospitable in the first place, but when you know that your master's got a bit of a temper, wouldn't it be a good idea to at least consider letting him know about Maurice before rolling out the welcome wagon?



* When Belle rushes to save Maurice, neither she nor the Beast think about the wolf pack wandering in the woods. I get it, heat of a moment and all, but it just bugs me that at no point anyone goes 'Hey, last time Belle left, she got attacked by wolves. What it that happens again?'
** Considering the fact that Maurice was in great danger of freezing to death at that point, I'm guessing they figured getting him to safety was more important than worrying about the wolves attacking, which seems to be a 50/50 chance anyway, since they didn't seem to attack Belle when she first arrived to the castle. Even if they did happen to attack Belle again, I'm sure the Beast would've been keeping watch to make sure to scare them off again. Also, since the wolves got curb-stomped by the Beast the first time they attacked, they may have been hoping that the pack's instincts would tell them not to go after Belle again.

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* When Belle rushes to save Maurice, neither she nor the Beast think about the wolf pack wandering in the woods. I get it, Yeah, heat of a moment and all, but it just bugs me headscratching that at no point anyone goes 'Hey, last time Belle left, she got attacked by wolves. What it that happens again?'
** Considering the fact that Maurice was in great danger of freezing to death at that point, I'm guessing Guess they figured getting him to safety was more important than worrying about the wolves attacking, which seems to be a 50/50 chance anyway, since they didn't seem to attack Belle when she first arrived to the castle. Even if they did happen to attack Belle again, I'm pretty sure the Beast would've been keeping watch to make sure to scare them off again. Also, since the wolves got curb-stomped by the Beast the first time they attacked, they may have been hoping that the pack's instincts would tell them not to go after Belle again.



** I'm pretty sure this was explained in the movie - the Enchantress gave him the mirror to serve as his window to the outside world.
*** Expanding on that, I think she gave him the mirror so he might see some examples of people being nice to each other (since he obviously couldn't just stroll into town in his Beast form), and that it turn might teach him how to be a better person.

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** I'm pretty Pretty sure this was explained in the movie - the Enchantress gave him the mirror to serve as his window to the outside world.
*** Expanding on that, I think perhaps she gave him the mirror so he might see some examples of people being nice to each other (since he obviously couldn't just stroll into town in his Beast form), and that it turn might teach him how to be a better person.



* After watching the film in HD, I noticed that Gaston seems to [[DisneyVillainDeath plummet into a river]] under the bridge (beforehand, it just looked like a misty ravine). This now makes me wonder why we don't actually see Gaston make a splash when falling into the river. He just disappears into nothingness.

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* After watching the film in HD, I noticed that There's a bit where Gaston seems to [[DisneyVillainDeath plummet into a river]] under the bridge (beforehand, it just looked like a misty ravine). This now makes me wonder on wondering why we don't actually see Gaston make a splash when falling into the river. He just disappears into nothingness.



** Considering the height he fell from, maybe he didn't really make one. To my knowledge, a surface of water is a little like concrete after a fall like that.

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** Considering the height he fell from, maybe he didn't really make one. To my knowledge, a A surface of water is a little like concrete after a fall like that.



** Did we watch the same film? I thought he looked a bit younger in the flashback, though probably older than 11.

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** Did we watch the same film? I thought Perhaps he looked a bit younger in the flashback, though probably older than 11.



** I think that once the curse hit, they were ageless. The appliances/servants obviously can't age anymore, and since their fate is linked with that of their master's it would make sense that he didn't age either. It also can mean that the Enchantress was at least a little kind and didn't take physical years away from them.

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** I think Perhaps that once the curse hit, they were ageless. The appliances/servants obviously can't age anymore, and since their fate is linked with that of their master's it would make sense that he didn't age either. It also can mean that the Enchantress was at least a little kind and didn't take physical years away from them.



** Maybe it's just a way of showing how ignorant he and the townspeople are. Although I doubt hay is that precious or limited a resource for it to matter that much.

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** Maybe it's just a way of showing how ignorant he and the townspeople are. Although I doubt it's doubtful that hay is that precious or limited a resource for it to matter that much.



* Rewatching the movie, why were Adam and the servants so insistent that Belle join him for dinner the same day she came to the castle? I know the rose is close to wilting, so they're all concerned about that, and Adam is supposed to be spoiled and foul-tempered, but why didn't any of the servants advise him to give her more time to adjust to her situation? (It was Lumiere's suggestion that he invite her to dinner, after all.) Mrs. Potts even points out that what they're hoping for will take time to develop, so she should've known to say something if no one else did.

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* Rewatching the movie, why were Adam and the servants so insistent that Belle join him for dinner the same day she came to the castle? I know It's like the rose is close to wilting, so they're all concerned about that, and Adam is supposed to be spoiled and foul-tempered, but why didn't any of the servants advise him to give her more time to adjust to her situation? (It was Lumiere's suggestion that he invite her to dinner, after all.) Mrs. Potts even points out that what they're hoping for will take time to develop, so she should've known to say something if no one else did.
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This bit seems to be ridiculing whoever asked the question for doing so, when it's really not that unreasonable to discuss.


** The creators say on the commentary that they're really annoyed about people asking if all the dancing forks etc were transformed humans. It's an enchanted castle, as well as something of a DisneyAcidSequence so I don't think you're supposed to take it literally. They just put them in there for RuleOfCool.

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