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*** If you want to, then, think of it as Azula's punishment for not telling Ozai that the Avatar survived the coup in Ba Sing Se. At least, she had a hunch that he might still be alive, but she sat on it for weeks without saying anything, just to try and pull one over on her brother.
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** Zuko cannot generate lightning, only redirect it. But even if he could, he still wouldn't shoot Aang with lightning because as stated above, lightning is treated like a DangerousForbiddenArt among firebenders for how easy it is to backfire and consequences would be fatal. Even if the subject is teaching redirection, that still means Zuko would have to shoot Aang with it. This would only work if Aang gets it right completely the first time. Should Aang screw that up and take a couple thousand volts, Zuko may accidentally kill Aang. Which means Zuko goes from Sifu Hotman to Sifu Deadman; [[CaptainObvious as it's not a good idea to kill the friend of a waterbender that is not only on very shaky ground with him but is looking for any slight to drown him]]. The backlash of what could happen would outweigh the costs of trying to teach him something.
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** Zuko cannot generate lightning, only redirect it. But even if he could, he still wouldn't shoot Aang with lightning because as stated above, lightning is treated like a DangerousForbiddenArt DangerousForbiddenTechnique among firebenders for how easy it is to backfire and consequences would be fatal. Even if the subject is teaching redirection, that still means Zuko would have to shoot Aang with it. This would only work if Aang gets it right completely the first time. Should Aang screw that up and take a couple thousand volts, Zuko may accidentally kill Aang. Which means Zuko goes from Sifu Hotman to Sifu Deadman; [[CaptainObvious as it's not a good idea to kill the friend of a waterbender that is not only on very shaky ground with him but is looking for any slight to drown him]]. The backlash of what could happen would outweigh the costs of trying to teach him something.
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** Zuko cannot generate lightning, only redirect it. But even if he could, he still wouldn't shoot Aang with lightning because as stated above, lightning is treated like a DangerousForbiddenArt among firebenders for how easy it is to backfire and consequences would be fatal. Even if the subject is teaching redirection, that still means Zuko would have to shoot Aang with it. This would only work if Aang gets it right completely the first time. Should Aang screw that up and take a couple thousand volts, Zuko may accidentally kill Aang. Which means Zuko goes from Sifu Hotman to Sifu Deadman; [[CaptainObvious as it's not a good idea to kill the friend of a waterbender that is not only on very shaky ground with him but is looking for any slight to drown him]]. The backlash of what could happen would outweigh the costs of trying to teach him something.
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** Once you conquer the biggest city in the land, in less than 48 hours without overt violence, are you really worried about the smaller villages? That's like vanquishing a dragon and being worried about the toads in the pond.
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** Simple answer: when the fate of your nation hinges on the outcome of the battle, [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill it is better to hedge your bets on a certain victory]] than [[HonorBeforeReason gamble it all on a fair match]].
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** Simple answer: when the fate of your nation hinges on the outcome of the battle, [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill it is better to hedge your bets on a certain victory]] than [[HonorBeforeReason gamble it all on a fair match]].
match]]. Doubly so when you know your opponent likes to play Dirty Pool.
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*** I think it's more of a "This is the best choice we see" sort of thing. Everyone wanted him dead because he's the third in a generation to support such a twisted idea so that the best option is to put him down. Aang, being the pacifist that he is, wanted to take a different path and no other Avatar thought it possible to come up with a non-violent solution. Then again, none of them knew of Energy Bending. I think it's a case of "sometimes, the young find new ways the older people didn't think of."
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** Having your friend kill someone on your orders or letting them do it does not absolve Aang of responsibility. Secondly, it's easy for them to yell at Aang for not killing the firelord beczuse None of them are going to do it. Thirdly, threatening to kill someone and actually doing it is two different things. Taking a life has a far higher responsibility attached to it than you're giving it credit for. Katara couldn't kill the man who murdered her mother, and she's going to kill the Fire Lord? Zuko said outright to him in the bunker that "Fighting you is the Avatar's destiny.", Toph isn't a killer (though I'll give you her likely beating the shit out of him for a while). And Sokka is the type who talks about it but would flinch if possible. Remember when he didn't try to run Azula through on the Gondola back at boiling rock? Aang knew how wrong it is to take a life; even someone as despotic as Ozai and he's not going to shoulder that burden on other people to do it.
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** First off: Yes, yes they absolutely would, since every single one of them said he should and that he was being foolish for ''not'' wanting to kill him. Secondly: Aang subduing the Firelord and letting his friends kill him is essentially the same as Aang doing it himself -- he is taking the action and making the decision to make the Firelord die.
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** And burden one of his other friends to harbor that guilt? If Aang wouldn't do it, his friends wouldn't do it over him and go against what he was trying to stand for.
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** Iroh has the claim to the throne moreso than Zuko yes; but Iroh has stated that Zuko must be the one to do it because he believes that his nephew (and friends) can make the positive changes needed for the world and that has to be done by the young. At some point, the old must step down for the young to take charge and that's the way Iroh saw it. You can make claims left right and sideways that someone has to do something; but if they don't want to do it; they're not going to do it.
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** WE may not see it as that. I can understand why one would think the Fire Lord title would be a good runner-up prize; but Azula did everything she could to her best just for her father's love and approval. It wasn't, from my POV, so much that he gave her the title of Fire Lord, it was that he subtly said "Here's a meaningless title, get lost." To Azula, a person who desperately wanted to trust in someone and be loved by a parental figure since mom's banishment, that was the bigger slap in her face and another component to her total breakdown.
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** Zuko knew full well that something was wrong with Azula. Zuko didn't see the cry for help at the Beach when Azula said that her own mother thought she was a monster and also Zuko DIDN'T know was that Mai and Ty Lee betrayed her at Boiling Rock, causing Azula to start going nuts. The issue at hand though is that Azula, TragicVillain as she is, is ultimately a mad dog by this point. Zuko probably figured that he had to take her out to secure his destiny and in a weird way, save his sister from her own insanity. Zuko utterly despised the fact that he had to take on Azula this way but also knew it had to be done. Zuko knew deep down that Azula was just as much a victim of Ozai's as well but couldn't come up with the words to console her. The madness had overtaken her completely and so he let her cry it all out.
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** Also, her fighting spirit was broken. Something about seeing Katara save Zuko caused the last of her sanity to go out the door, reducing her to practically a feral state of fire breathing before breaking down and crying. Ability is there, but the mind can't go on.
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** I think the answer's a little simpler than that. Azula possibly could have broken free from the chains...but remember that she was on one long sanity decline at this point. I'm not going against others earlier but perhaps it's just a case of the spirit just being broken. By the time she saw Zuko get back up thanks to Katara, it hit her...nobody cared if she lived or died. And so, with nothing mattering to her and nothing making sense to her, she lashed out but ultimately gave up to her madness.
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** Because they wouldn't have had a chance to do so. Putting Iroh on the thrown, especially if he does so by killing Ozai, would enrage all of Ozai's supporters as well as ensure the Earth Kingdom remains hostile as Iroh has a well known history of invading them. It would basically ensure a civil war. That's why both the Avatar had to take out Ozai and Zuko had to take the thrown, the Avatar's entire purpose is to restore balance and his victory takes the wind out of Ozai's supporter's sails (not entirely of course, but enough to matter) and Zuko lacks the negative history with the rest of the world that would taint Iroh's rule. There would still be problems but on a much smaller scale.
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** Also, I can't really remember when Zuko found out about the Gaang planning to take out Ozai before the comet, so he had a pretty good reason not to tell them what would happen afterwards...Either he found out before he joined them, in which ''they'' should've brought him up to speed after he joined, or they ''did'' tell him originally and then neglected to update him later on.
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* I know that Iroh says that he can't face Ozai because history would see it as brothers fighting over fame and power, whereas the Avatar would be acting in the name of peace and balance...However, if Iroh (or Zuko) went on to rule over the Fire Nation with peace and kindness, wouldn't that take precedence in the people's minds over the incorrect notion that he had to overthrow his brother to do that? Nevermind how Ozai was a tyrant who wanted to burn down an entire nation, people don't condemn revolutionaries in real life just for being revolutionaries - what matters more is how they use their new power.
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** Also, even if they were evenly matched in terms of their power, Ozai is already more skilled at firebending than Aang is. One's been training all his life in a royal palace, the other had only been training for a few weeks, from someone who wasn't even a master. As the Avatar, Aang is already one of the most powerful benders on the planet, but that means nothing here because he's not as skilled with bending as his opponent. (Even if he can bend four elements as opposed to Ozai's one.)
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** It was really more that the title of Fire Lord was being demoted, not Azula. It's not like he was abdicating his throne to her as a reward for her hard work and loyalty - he only gave her the title because he was adopting a new, grander and more powerful one, "Phoenix King." It's basically the monarchical equivalent of a hand-me-down. That, and Azula was more upset about being left to guard the homestead, rather than being crowned Fire Lord.
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* If Aang can't bring himself to kill the Fire Lord, couldn't he have just subdued him and then had another member of the team do it for him?
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*** Agi Kais are strictly duels between firebenders, which Katara is not, so it's not like she could've officially stepped in to take Zuko's place. And we can assume that the Fire Sages were there watching the duel play out, considering it was the deciding factor in who they were going to crown Fire Lord. And since one of the purposes for which these duels are fought is for honor, we may assume that attacking innocent bystanders is grounds for disqualification. The duel was over by the time Katara stepped in - at that point, it was only a matter of getting the loser under control and making sure the winner didn't die from a lightning strike.
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** 1.) You're seriously underestimating the prowess and abilities of Toph, Sokka, and Suki. 2.) I can't imagine there would've been very many firebenders in the Order, meaning the majority of them who ''can'' bend would be water- and earthbenders, neither of whom would be much help on a giant metal airship. 3.) The Gaang had expected that they would meet back up with Aang by going after the airships, meaning he could've helped them stop the fleet, if he had to.
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** Its likely both sides assumed the other saw things their way. Zuko thought the Gaang would know that the Comet would be used for something big, and that they would do something to stop Ozai before it. The Gaang assumed that if Zuko never said anything, then whatever they're planning for Sozin must not be important or all that impactful, so they can wait.
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** This troper likes that theory, but her personal theory is that the Avatarverse works differently than ours does. Maybe for them, [[AvatarTheAbridgedSeries fire can burn in space and comets are made out of actual fire.]]
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** This troper likes that theory, but her personal theory is that the Avatarverse works differently than ours does. Maybe for them, [[AvatarTheAbridgedSeries [[WebVideo/AvatarTheAbridgedSeries fire can burn in space and comets are made out of actual fire.]]
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** It's possible that Zuko, recently back in the Fire Nation's political good graces, pulled a few strings, probably out of guilt. Of course, it helped that Iroh was putting on his best "senile loony" act.
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*** Except that a thick metal door hardly weights much more in comparison to the rest of the ship, yet offer a ton of protection as the thickness made it durable and was considered unbendable by the general populace. Seeing as it also protected what was both the cockpit and the command center of the ship, it makes practical sense to make the critical zone as secure as feasible. After all, if a water nation spy managed to board a fire nation flag ship with horribly outdated uniform and managed to get into spitting distance of the commanding officer, it's safe to say that covert agents can also board and try to take control of the ship. If weight is still a concern, make the blimp bigger, as it benefits from the [[{{SquareCubeLaw}} square cube law]]. Oh, and post 9-11, many airplanes have cockpit doors that are rather hard to enter/breach, which was a factor in the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525 2015 Germanwings crash]].
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**** Nope. While people say that Aang had already “let go” of Katara in Crossroads of Destiny, but he becomes even more possessive of her in Book 3. He values his feelings for Katara more than safety of the world, and the canonical novelization clearly demonstrates that he still has a severe attachment to her just moments before his back slams into the rock:
----> Aang: “I’ve sacrificed everything, even my ability to enter the Avatar state, for her. It can’t all be for nothing. Yes, I have a duty to the world. But I love Katara. She had rescued me and Appa from the iceberg where we’d been trapped for a hundred years. No! The scene is fading! I don’t want to leave that time…”
----> Aang: “I’ve sacrificed everything, even my ability to enter the Avatar state, for her. It can’t all be for nothing. Yes, I have a duty to the world. But I love Katara. She had rescued me and Appa from the iceberg where we’d been trapped for a hundred years. No! The scene is fading! I don’t want to leave that time…”
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**** Nope. While people say that Aang had already “let go” of Katara in Crossroads of Destiny, but he actually becomes even more possessive of her in Book 3. He values his feelings for Katara more than safety of the world, and the canonical novelization clearly demonstrates that he still has a severe attachment to her just moments before his back slams into the rock:
----> ---> Aang: “I’ve sacrificed everything, even my ability to enter the Avatar state, for her. It can’t all be for nothing. Yes, I have a duty to the world. But I love Katara. She had rescued me and Appa from the iceberg where we’d been trapped for a hundred years. No! The scene is fading! I don’t want to leave that time…”
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**** Nope. Some people say that Aang had already “let go” of Katara in Crossroads of Destiny, but he becomes even more possessive of her in Book 3. He values his feelings for Katara more than safety of the world, and the novelization clearly demonstrates his selfish attachment to her just moments before his back slams into the rock:
----> Aang: “I’ve sacrificed everything, even my ability to enter the Avatar state, for her. It can’t all be for nothing. Yes, I have a duty to the world. But I love Katara. She had rescued me and Appa from the iceberg where we’d been trapped for a hundred years. No! The scene is fading! I don’t want to leave that time…”
----> Aang: “I’ve sacrificed everything, even my ability to enter the Avatar state, for her. It can’t all be for nothing. Yes, I have a duty to the world. But I love Katara. She had rescued me and Appa from the iceberg where we’d been trapped for a hundred years. No! The scene is fading! I don’t want to leave that time…”
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**** Nope. While people say that Aang had already “let go” of Katara in Crossroads of Destiny, but he becomes even more possessive of her in Book 3. He values his feelings for Katara more than safety of the world, and the canonical novelization clearly demonstrates that he still has a severe attachment to her just moments before his back slams into the rock:
----> Aang: “I’ve sacrificed everything, even my ability to enter the Avatar state, for her. It can’t all be for nothing. Yes, I have a duty to the world. But I love Katara. She had rescued me and Appa from the iceberg where we’d been trapped for a hundred years. No! The scene is fading! I don’t want to leave that time…”
----> Aang: “I’ve sacrificed everything, even my ability to enter the Avatar state, for her. It can’t all be for nothing. Yes, I have a duty to the world. But I love Katara. She had rescued me and Appa from the iceberg where we’d been trapped for a hundred years. No! The scene is fading! I don’t want to leave that time…”
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**** Nope. Some people say that Aang had already “let go” of Katara in Crossroads of Destiny, but he becomes even more possessive of her in Book 3. He values his feelings for Katara more than safety of the world, and the novelization clearly demonstrates his selfish attachment to her just moments before his back slams into the rock:
----> Aang: “I’ve sacrificed everything, even my ability to enter the Avatar state, for her. It can’t all be for nothing. Yes, I have a duty to the world. But I love Katara. She had rescued me and Appa from the iceberg where we’d been trapped for a hundred years. No! The scene is fading! I don’t want to leave that time…”
----> Aang: “I’ve sacrificed everything, even my ability to enter the Avatar state, for her. It can’t all be for nothing. Yes, I have a duty to the world. But I love Katara. She had rescued me and Appa from the iceberg where we’d been trapped for a hundred years. No! The scene is fading! I don’t want to leave that time…”
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** Where would you rather have a powerful, influential, and well-liked member of the Fire Nation Royal Family who could make a legitimate claim to the crown? In a prison filled with political prisoners that he could potentially rally together and organize, where he could conceivably cause problems? Or in a small cell, all by himself, closer where you can keep an eye on him?
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*** Besides, he might have been able to fight on the same level as her, but that's certainly not a guarantee that he'll win. Remember The Chase? Where the Gaang, Zuko AND Iroh all gang up on her and she holds them off, and escapes by surprise-attacking Iroh? Azula is (or rather, was, but he has no way of knowing) too GenreSavvy to expect her to fight fair and square.
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*** Besides, he might have been able to fight on the same level as her, but that's certainly not a guarantee that he'll win. Remember The Chase? Where the Gaang, Zuko AND Iroh all gang up on her and she holds them off, and escapes by surprise-attacking Iroh? Azula is (or rather, was, but he has no way of knowing) too GenreSavvy clever to expect her to fight fair and square.
