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*** Very astute. At San Diego ComiCon this week a picture of Korra astride her guide was shown; it looks like a lop-eared polar bear with dogish features.
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** It's easier to kill than to capture, especially when the thing or person you're after specializes in escape and evasion. It was probably easier to wait until the comet came and launch a sneak attack to be sure, and then shift through the Waterbenders for the new Avatar.
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* If Aang could access the individual Avatar spirits for a sort of mini-Avatar State before he communed with them (Kyoshi, Roku, the [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans airbender]], the surfer) despite his blocked Cosmic chakra (Book 3 version), why could he not access all of them at once? Was it because the cosmic chakra was required to have enough harmony to have more than one of them in/controlling the body at once ''at all'', rather than just the the thing that lets them be One instead of one big lump of not-oneness? Because all the imagery said that he couldn't access them ''at all'', and the text practically (and possibly literally, in Book 2) said so as well.
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* If Aang could access the individual Avatar spirits for a sort of mini-Avatar State before he communed with them (Kyoshi, Roku, the Roku, [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans airbender]], the surfer) Yangchen]], Kuruk) despite his blocked Cosmic chakra (Book 3 version), why could he not access all of them at once? Was it because the cosmic chakra was required to have enough harmony to have more than one of them in/controlling the body at once ''at all'', rather than just the the thing that lets them be One instead of one big lump of not-oneness? Because all the imagery said that he couldn't access them ''at all'', and the text practically (and possibly literally, in Book 2) said so as well.
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*** Point of fact: The Avatar is traditionally revealed when they reach the age of 16. Aang was the sole exception to that.
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*** There is a pattern: Air, Water, Earth, Fire. The next nation in line is where the Avatar will be from, as well as what the Avatar must learn. When the Fire Avatar dies, it goes to Air. They are taught their element sufficiently (generally to the age of 12), are revealed as the Avatar, and go on to learn the other elements. Most often the avatar wouldn't know about the connections until he's learned the element, but we are given plenty of indications that spiritual intervention and uncontrolled avatar-state are possible defenses.
*** All air-benders at the time lived in the Air Temples, the general idea seeming to be that they were shipped off if they were found out. However the combination of genetics, spirituality, philosophy, and training could lead to later air-benders...just not in the 100 years that Aang's been gone.
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** Roku had no body to teach with, and subsequently the spiritual lessons wouldn't be physical lessons. Additionally time would be limited for contact with them; talking may be a free action, but training is not. And then there's the lack of control created from power-overload and ignorance of methodology. Aang, not understanding the philosophy of Firebending, ended up burning Katara. And this is even more-so in that knowledge does't imply mastery: Toph mentions that when Aang is learning Earthbending he could have easily crushed Sokka. Aang would need to gradually refine his own abilities before thinking to even handle what he wouldn't even know. It's the same with every avatar, which is why they must learn the elements in order.
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** It was predominately a ploy to further his control. If he killed the Avatar too early, it wouldn't have made any difference. Instead, he waited until the Avatar was about 12 to give him time to plan. Also he probably thought "kill them until they Fire-bend and then mind-control them".
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* Why isn't the Avatar's identity ever kept a secret? I mean, it seems like it would be easier to have people know the Avatar is around but not really know who he/she is, so as to avoid things like assination attempts and allow the Avatar to go undercover or something if need.
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* Why isn't the Avatar's identity ever kept a secret? I mean, it seems like it would be easier to have people know the Avatar is around but not really know who he/she is, so as to avoid things like assination attempts and allow the Avatar to go undercover or something if need.need.
** A fully-realized Avatar would pretty much laugh at any assassin that comes after him or her. That said, it would be easy for the Avatar to go undercover. Most people really wouldn't know what the Avatar looks like; this isn't a setting where everyone has internet and [=iPhones=]. They have, at best, sketches and portraits, which aren't perfectly reliable, especially if the Avatar goes around publicly in flamboyant dress and then shifts to a more subtle disguise.
** A fully-realized Avatar would pretty much laugh at any assassin that comes after him or her. That said, it would be easy for the Avatar to go undercover. Most people really wouldn't know what the Avatar looks like; this isn't a setting where everyone has internet and [=iPhones=]. They have, at best, sketches and portraits, which aren't perfectly reliable, especially if the Avatar goes around publicly in flamboyant dress and then shifts to a more subtle disguise.
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** Waterbending is about redirecting your opponent's energy for use against them, while Airbending is more about avoiding it entirely when possible. And, when you really think about it, you could theoretically be able to learn the cycle backward without much difficulty. Airbenders can gel with the acrobatics of Firebending, Firebenders will like Earthbending's natural offensive capability, Earthbending has synergy with Waterbending's use of defense. The thing is, It's just better a bit safer to go the cycle the right way. Aang treated fire like it was air in the Deserter, and you see what happened there.
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** Waterbending is about redirecting your opponent's energy for use against them, while Airbending is more about avoiding it entirely when possible. And, when you really think about it, you could theoretically be able to learn the cycle backward without much difficulty. Airbenders can gel with the acrobatics of Firebending, Firebenders will like Earthbending's natural offensive capability, Earthbending has synergy with Waterbending's use of defense. The thing is, It's just better a bit safer to go the cycle the right way. Aang treated fire like it was air in the Deserter, and you see what happened there.there.
* Why isn't the Avatar's identity ever kept a secret? I mean, it seems like it would be easier to have people know the Avatar is around but not really know who he/she is, so as to avoid things like assination attempts and allow the Avatar to go undercover or something if need.
* Why isn't the Avatar's identity ever kept a secret? I mean, it seems like it would be easier to have people know the Avatar is around but not really know who he/she is, so as to avoid things like assination attempts and allow the Avatar to go undercover or something if need.
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* So the cycle of the Avatar being born into each nation always goes Air, Water, Earth, Fire, and because of the perceived difficulty in learning different styles they learn them in the same order. Usually makes sense: the purely reactive/defensive Airbenders would probably find the purely aggressive Firebending difficult, Firebenders focus entirely on their inner energies would have difficulty controlling the ultimately external and solid earth, Earthbenders would probably have serious issues with the "ebb and flow" of waterbending. But Waterbenders, as far as I can tell, should be pretty handy in picking up Airbending while having as many problems - or more - with Earthbending as anyone else. Can someone else figure this out?
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* So the cycle of the Avatar being born into each nation always goes Air, Water, Earth, Fire, and because of the perceived difficulty in learning different styles they learn them in the same order. Usually makes sense: the purely reactive/defensive Airbenders would probably find the purely aggressive Firebending difficult, Firebenders focus entirely on their inner energies would have difficulty controlling the ultimately external and solid earth, Earthbenders would probably have serious issues with the "ebb and flow" of waterbending. But Waterbenders, as far as I can tell, should be pretty handy in picking up Airbending while having as many problems - or more - with Earthbending as anyone else. Can someone else figure this out?out?
** Waterbending is about redirecting your opponent's energy for use against them, while Airbending is more about avoiding it entirely when possible. And, when you really think about it, you could theoretically be able to learn the cycle backward without much difficulty. Airbenders can gel with the acrobatics of Firebending, Firebenders will like Earthbending's natural offensive capability, Earthbending has synergy with Waterbending's use of defense. The thing is, It's just better a bit safer to go the cycle the right way. Aang treated fire like it was air in the Deserter, and you see what happened there.
** Waterbending is about redirecting your opponent's energy for use against them, while Airbending is more about avoiding it entirely when possible. And, when you really think about it, you could theoretically be able to learn the cycle backward without much difficulty. Airbenders can gel with the acrobatics of Firebending, Firebenders will like Earthbending's natural offensive capability, Earthbending has synergy with Waterbending's use of defense. The thing is, It's just better a bit safer to go the cycle the right way. Aang treated fire like it was air in the Deserter, and you see what happened there.
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* Why did Sozin think that massacring the Air Nomads would solve anything? If Aang had died as a baby, wouldn't a new Avatar just have been born in the Water Tribe? Unless he systematically slaughtered every race but the Fire Nation the Avatar still would have been born.
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* Why did Sozin think that massacring the Air Nomads would solve anything? If Aang had died as a baby, wouldn't a new Avatar just have been born in the Water Tribe? Unless he systematically slaughtered every race but the Fire Nation the Avatar still would have been born.born.
* So the cycle of the Avatar being born into each nation always goes Air, Water, Earth, Fire, and because of the perceived difficulty in learning different styles they learn them in the same order. Usually makes sense: the purely reactive/defensive Airbenders would probably find the purely aggressive Firebending difficult, Firebenders focus entirely on their inner energies would have difficulty controlling the ultimately external and solid earth, Earthbenders would probably have serious issues with the "ebb and flow" of waterbending. But Waterbenders, as far as I can tell, should be pretty handy in picking up Airbending while having as many problems - or more - with Earthbending as anyone else. Can someone else figure this out?
* So the cycle of the Avatar being born into each nation always goes Air, Water, Earth, Fire, and because of the perceived difficulty in learning different styles they learn them in the same order. Usually makes sense: the purely reactive/defensive Airbenders would probably find the purely aggressive Firebending difficult, Firebenders focus entirely on their inner energies would have difficulty controlling the ultimately external and solid earth, Earthbenders would probably have serious issues with the "ebb and flow" of waterbending. But Waterbenders, as far as I can tell, should be pretty handy in picking up Airbending while having as many problems - or more - with Earthbending as anyone else. Can someone else figure this out?
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* So where will they put Aang's statue after he's gone? The room of statues seems pretty full.
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* So where will they put Aang's statue after he's gone? The room of statues seems pretty full.full.
* Why did Sozin think that massacring the Air Nomads would solve anything? If Aang had died as a baby, wouldn't a new Avatar just have been born in the Water Tribe? Unless he systematically slaughtered every race but the Fire Nation the Avatar still would have been born.
* Why did Sozin think that massacring the Air Nomads would solve anything? If Aang had died as a baby, wouldn't a new Avatar just have been born in the Water Tribe? Unless he systematically slaughtered every race but the Fire Nation the Avatar still would have been born.
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** AvatarTheLegendOfKorra. Aang's son is an airbender.
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** AvatarTheLegendOfKorra. Aang's son is an airbender.
* So where will they put Aang's statue after he's gone? The room of statues seems pretty full.
* So where will they put Aang's statue after he's gone? The room of statues seems pretty full.
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** The balance probably works this way: a nation tries to take conquer another: the attacker loses because the Avatar helps the offended (unless you attack when there is no adult Avatar). The Avatar tries to seize control of the world: all nations unite against him. Well, of course things would have been worse if Roku had agreed to help Sozin, rather than just staying almost neutral.
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* So, if Aang really is the last airbender, what's going to happen after the next firebending avatar dies? If Aang has no airbending descendents, and/or no one else can figure out how to learn airbending, and/or he doesn't transfer airbending power to anyone else, (if he can take power away, surely he can give some?) will the whole cycle end? Will it skip over to the next nation/element, Water? Or will an airbending child just automatically be born?
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* So, if Aang really is the last airbender, what's going to happen after the next firebending avatar dies? If Aang has no airbending descendents, and/or no one else can figure out how to learn airbending, and/or he doesn't transfer airbending power to anyone else, (if he can take power away, surely he can give some?) will the whole cycle end? Will it skip over to the next nation/element, Water? Or will an airbending child just automatically be born?born?
** AvatarTheLegendOfKorra. Aang's son is an airbender.
** AvatarTheLegendOfKorra. Aang's son is an airbender.
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*** Point of order. Aang ''didn't'' "turn his back" on the enemy. For one, he was surrounded, so his back was going to be toward some of his enemy no matter what he did, and for another, he was facing Azula and Zuko when he started meditating. Azula ''moved around behind him'' while he was doing so, presumably specifically to shoot him in the back.
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*** Point of order. Aang ''didn't'' "turn his back" on the enemy. For one, he was surrounded, so his back was going to be toward some of his enemy no matter what he did, and for another, he was facing Azula and Zuko when he started meditating. Azula ''moved around behind him'' while he was doing so, presumably specifically to shoot him in the back.back.
* So, if Aang really is the last airbender, what's going to happen after the next firebending avatar dies? If Aang has no airbending descendents, and/or no one else can figure out how to learn airbending, and/or he doesn't transfer airbending power to anyone else, (if he can take power away, surely he can give some?) will the whole cycle end? Will it skip over to the next nation/element, Water? Or will an airbending child just automatically be born?
* So, if Aang really is the last airbender, what's going to happen after the next firebending avatar dies? If Aang has no airbending descendents, and/or no one else can figure out how to learn airbending, and/or he doesn't transfer airbending power to anyone else, (if he can take power away, surely he can give some?) will the whole cycle end? Will it skip over to the next nation/element, Water? Or will an airbending child just automatically be born?
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*** Point of order. Aang ''didn't'' "turn his back" on the enemy. For one, he was surrounded, so his back was going to be toward some of his enemy no matter what he did, and for another, he was facing Azula and Zuko when he started meditating. Azula ''moved around behind him'' while he was doing so, presumably specifically to shoot him in the back.
* Hunting down and killing the Air Nomads was a phenomanally stupid thing to do when you think about it. Everything we know about the Air Nomads suggests they were the smallest of the nations in terms of people and the least war like. If there was any place you WANTED the Avatar it was in the Air Nation. Killing the Avatar (if not in the Avatar state) just bumps it down the line. When the Avatar had been born into the Water Tribes (especially of the North) and then Earth Kingdom which was still going strong when the series starts things would have been MUCH more difficult. We're shown that Avatars just march forward it's not random at all. There would be two avatars before another Fire Bender became one and when a Fire Nation Avatar was born there'd be no Air nomads to teach Air Bending and I doubt many from the other nations would be willing to teach. Ironically with Aang locked in a glacier they some how lucked their way into a best case scenario with no Avatar for a century but that was dumb luck and not part of the plan.
* Hunting down and killing the Air Nomads was a phenomanally stupid thing to do when you think about it. Everything we know about the Air Nomads suggests they were the smallest of the nations in terms of people and the least war like. If there was any place you WANTED the Avatar it was in the Air Nation. Killing the Avatar (if not in the Avatar state) just bumps it down the line. When the Avatar had been born into the Water Tribes (especially of the North) and then Earth Kingdom which was still going strong when the series starts things would have been MUCH more difficult. We're shown that Avatars just march forward it's not random at all. There would be two avatars before another Fire Bender became one and when a Fire Nation Avatar was born there'd be no Air nomads to teach Air Bending and I doubt many from the other nations would be willing to teach. Ironically with Aang locked in a glacier they some how lucked their way into a best case scenario with no Avatar for a century but that was dumb luck and not part of the plan.
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*** Point of order. Aang ''didn't'' "turn his back" on the enemy. For one, he was surrounded, so his back was going to be toward some of his enemy no matter what he did, and for another, he was facing Azula and Zuko when he started meditating. Azula ''moved around behind him'' while he was doing so, presumably specifically to shoot him in the back.
* Hunting down and killing the Air Nomads was a phenomanally stupid thing to do when you think about it. Everything we know about the Air Nomads suggests they were the smallest of the nations in terms of people and the least war like. If there was any place you WANTED the Avatar it was in the Air Nation. Killing the Avatar (if not in the Avatar state) just bumps it down the line. When the Avatar had been born into the Water Tribes (especially of the North) and then Earth Kingdom which was still going strong when the series starts things would have been MUCH more difficult. We're shown that Avatars just march forward it's not random at all. There would be two avatars before another Fire Bender became one and when a Fire Nation Avatar was born there'd be no Air nomads to teach Air Bending and I doubt many from the other nations would be willing to teach. Ironically with Aang locked in a glacier they some how lucked their way into a best case scenario with no Avatar for a century but that was dumb luck and not part of the plan.back.
* Hunting down and killing the Air Nomads was a phenomanally stupid thing to do when you think about it. Everything we know about the Air Nomads suggests they were the smallest of the nations in terms of people and the least war like. If there was any place you WANTED the Avatar it was in the Air Nation. Killing the Avatar (if not in the Avatar state) just bumps it down the line. When the Avatar had been born into the Water Tribes (especially of the North) and then Earth Kingdom which was still going strong when the series starts things would have been MUCH more difficult. We're shown that Avatars just march forward it's not random at all. There would be two avatars before another Fire Bender became one and when a Fire Nation Avatar was born there'd be no Air nomads to teach Air Bending and I doubt many from the other nations would be willing to teach. Ironically with Aang locked in a glacier they some how lucked their way into a best case scenario with no Avatar for a century but that was dumb luck and not part of the plan.
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** For some one who values stability above all else, such as the entire earth-kingdom with a earthbender-based Avatar, something as chaotic as a revolution which overthrows the established monarchy is probably one of the worst things you can imagine. Have you ever actually studied revolutions? Yeah the pictures of Che Guevaras face on those GAP shirts look cool, but historically, revolutions are bloody, violent, gets lots of people on both sides killed, and frequently lead to the rise of other, even more radical factions. The fallback historical example is France, but for something more modern look at whats happening in the middle east right now. In Kyoshi's mind, one bad king wouldn't invalidate the entire system, but destroying that system might prove irreversible. One evil monarch is something that an avatar could deal with (as she did with the warlord, and as Aang spent the entire series building up to) but internal political upheaval might not hold the same importance for a different Avatar, and even if it did, they probably wouldnt feel the same way as Kyoshi did. Think about the Water-bender avatar Aang talked to in the last episode, the "go-with-the-flow" guy. Do you think Kyoshi would have wanted some one like that handling and earth-kingdom revolution? At worst what we're seeing here is a bad case of LawfulStupid, where Kyoshi didn't consider the possibility that without constant guidance the elite troops she helped train might end up following orders not in the best interest of the people.
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** For some one who values stability above all else, such as the entire earth-kingdom with a earthbender-based Avatar, something as chaotic as a revolution which overthrows the established monarchy is probably one of the worst things you can imagine. Have you ever actually studied revolutions? Yeah the pictures of Che Guevaras face on those GAP shirts look cool, but historically, revolutions are bloody, violent, gets lots of people on both sides killed, and frequently lead to the rise of other, even more radical factions. The fallback historical example is France, but for something more modern look at whats happening in the middle east right now. In Kyoshi's mind, one bad king wouldn't invalidate the entire system, but destroying that system might prove irreversible. One evil monarch is something that an avatar could deal with (as she did with the warlord, and as Aang spent the entire series building up to) but internal political upheaval might not hold the same importance for a different Avatar, and even if it did, they probably wouldnt feel the same way as Kyoshi did. Think about the Water-bender avatar Aang talked to in the last episode, the "go-with-the-flow" guy. Do you think Kyoshi would have wanted some one like that handling and an earth-kingdom revolution? At worst what we're seeing here is a bad case of LawfulStupid, where Kyoshi didn't consider the possibility that without constant guidance the elite troops she helped train might end up following orders not in the best interest of the people.
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** For some one who values stability above all else, such as the entire earth-kingdom with a earthbender-based Avatar, something as chaotic as a revolution which overthrows the established monarchy is probably one of the worst things you can imagine. Have you ever actually studied revolutions? Yeah the pictures of Che Guevaras face on those GAP shirts look cool, but historically, revolutions are bloody, violent, gets lots of people on both sides killed, and frequently lead to the rise of other, even more radical factions. The fallback historical example is France, but for something more modern look at whats happening in the middle east right now. In Kyoshi's mind, one bad king wouldn't invalidate the entire system, but destroying that system might prove irreversible. One evil monarch is something that an avatar could deal with (as she did with the warlord, and as Aang spent the entire series building up to) but internal political upheaval might not hold the same importance for a different Avatar, and even if it did, they probably wouldnt feel the same way as Kyoshi did. Think about the Water-bender avatar Aang talked to in the last episode, the "go-with-the-flow" guy. Do you think Kyoshi would have wanted some one like that handling and earth-kingdom revolution? At worst what we're seeing here is a bad case of LawfulStupid, where Kyoshi didn't consider the possibility that without constant guidance the elite troops she helped train might end up following orders not in the best interest of the people.
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** True, Aang likens Roku's dragon to Appa as a 'guide'. The flashback in Appa's Lost Days show that Air Nomads gain bison companions early on in life. Aang could have been comparing Roku and Fang as an Air Nomad tradition (it would fit with the similarities between Nations) rather than an Avatar one. Although this troper can somehow see a person like Kyoshi with a badgermole at some point. Tough, no-nonsense, fundamentally 'earthbender'.
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*** Point of order. Aang ''didn't'' "turn his back" on the enemy. For one, he was surrounded, so his back was going to be toward some of his enemy no matter what he did, and for another, he was facing Azula and Zuko when he started meditating. Azula ''moved around behind him'' while he was doing so, presumably specifically to shoot him in the back.
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*** Point of order. Aang ''didn't'' "turn his back" on the enemy. For one, he was surrounded, so his back was going to be toward some of his enemy no matter what he did, and for another, he was facing Azula and Zuko when he started meditating. Azula ''moved around behind him'' while he was doing so, presumably specifically to shoot him in the back.back.
* Hunting down and killing the Air Nomads was a phenomanally stupid thing to do when you think about it. Everything we know about the Air Nomads suggests they were the smallest of the nations in terms of people and the least war like. If there was any place you WANTED the Avatar it was in the Air Nation. Killing the Avatar (if not in the Avatar state) just bumps it down the line. When the Avatar had been born into the Water Tribes (especially of the North) and then Earth Kingdom which was still going strong when the series starts things would have been MUCH more difficult. We're shown that Avatars just march forward it's not random at all. There would be two avatars before another Fire Bender became one and when a Fire Nation Avatar was born there'd be no Air nomads to teach Air Bending and I doubt many from the other nations would be willing to teach. Ironically with Aang locked in a glacier they some how lucked their way into a best case scenario with no Avatar for a century but that was dumb luck and not part of the plan.
* Hunting down and killing the Air Nomads was a phenomanally stupid thing to do when you think about it. Everything we know about the Air Nomads suggests they were the smallest of the nations in terms of people and the least war like. If there was any place you WANTED the Avatar it was in the Air Nation. Killing the Avatar (if not in the Avatar state) just bumps it down the line. When the Avatar had been born into the Water Tribes (especially of the North) and then Earth Kingdom which was still going strong when the series starts things would have been MUCH more difficult. We're shown that Avatars just march forward it's not random at all. There would be two avatars before another Fire Bender became one and when a Fire Nation Avatar was born there'd be no Air nomads to teach Air Bending and I doubt many from the other nations would be willing to teach. Ironically with Aang locked in a glacier they some how lucked their way into a best case scenario with no Avatar for a century but that was dumb luck and not part of the plan.
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** My experience is to never take anything from a TV show at face value. Yes it makes for nice drama when then put "the last airbender" in the title, but it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't really mean that. As devastating as the fire nations initial attack was, I doubt they could have gotten every single air bender all at once (after all, Aang got away, right?). It seems prefectly reasonable that others may have escaped as well, and as per the airbending philosophy rather than try to fight back, they avoid, evade, and otherwise run away. A few airbenders might be able to hide out relatively easily, especially in mountainous places no one else can easily reach. In addition, bending isnt strictly genetic; the series shows that benders are likely to have bender-offspring, but its neither a requirement nor a guarantee. Also, look at Katara- the fire nation attacks on her tribe pretty much stopped as soon as they thought they had every last waterbender. Did they? Nooooooo. And then the Gaang find a previously UNKNOWN tribe of water benders in a swamp.
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**** Iroh "beat" her by taking her by surprise. Plus, this is ''Iroh''. You can't really say that getting beat by him makes you a weakling made of fail. And she evaded Everyone in the chase by realizing that she ''couldn't'' take all of them, waiting for a proper distraction, and abusing that distraction to cause a bigger one, and then she escaped. And Aang going into a meditative state in the middle of the fight had noting to do with Azula in and of itself. Because he ran out on Guru Pathik, he was unable to enter the Avatar State ''at all''. So Azula, crafty being that she is, sees her enemy turn his back to her, and he starts to glow. Did you just expect her to stand there and get her ass beat?
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**** Iroh "beat" her by taking her by surprise. Plus, this is ''Iroh''. You can't really say that getting beat by him makes you a weakling made of fail. And she evaded Everyone in the chase by realizing that she ''couldn't'' take all of them, waiting for a proper distraction, and abusing that distraction to cause a bigger one, and then she escaped. And Aang going into a meditative state in the middle of the fight had noting to do with Azula in and of itself. Because he ran out on Guru Pathik, he was unable to enter the Avatar State ''at all''. So Azula, crafty being that she is, sees her enemy turn his back to her, and he starts to glow. Did you just expect her to stand there and get her ass beat?beat?
*** Point of order. Aang ''didn't'' "turn his back" on the enemy. For one, he was surrounded, so his back was going to be toward some of his enemy no matter what he did, and for another, he was facing Azula and Zuko when he started meditating. Azula ''moved around behind him'' while he was doing so, presumably specifically to shoot him in the back.
*** Point of order. Aang ''didn't'' "turn his back" on the enemy. For one, he was surrounded, so his back was going to be toward some of his enemy no matter what he did, and for another, he was facing Azula and Zuko when he started meditating. Azula ''moved around behind him'' while he was doing so, presumably specifically to shoot him in the back.
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**** Iroh "beat" her by taking her by surprise. Plus, this is ''Iroh''. You can't really say that getting beat by him makes you a weakling made of fail. And she evaded Everyone in the chase by realizing that she couldn't take all of them, waiting for a proper distraction, and abusing that distraction to cause a bigger one, and then she escaped. And Aang going into a meditative state in the middle of the fight had noting to do with Azula in and of itself. Because he ran out on Guru Pathik, he was unable to enter the Avatar State ''at all''. So Azula, crafty being that she is, sees her enemy turn his back to her, and he starts to glow. Did you just expect her to stand there and get her ass beat?
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**** Iroh "beat" her by taking her by surprise. Plus, this is ''Iroh''. You can't really say that getting beat by him makes you a weakling made of fail. And she evaded Everyone in the chase by realizing that she couldn't ''couldn't'' take all of them, waiting for a proper distraction, and abusing that distraction to cause a bigger one, and then she escaped. And Aang going into a meditative state in the middle of the fight had noting to do with Azula in and of itself. Because he ran out on Guru Pathik, he was unable to enter the Avatar State ''at all''. So Azula, crafty being that she is, sees her enemy turn his back to her, and he starts to glow. Did you just expect her to stand there and get her ass beat?
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*** That's my point exactly. Aang doesn't do that in the Avatar State any other time. It's only when fighting Azula that he does something so phenomenally stupid. Against every other opponent, Aang is clever and even a bit wise. Against Azula he (and to a somewhat lesser extent EVERYONE ELSE) is a complete moron. Iroh was able to beat her effortlessly during her first appearance, then all of a sudden she was able to evade/defeat Iroh, Aang, Zuko, Katara AND Sokka together!
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*** That's my point exactly. Aang doesn't do that in the Avatar State any other time. It's only when fighting Azula that he does something so phenomenally stupid. Against every other opponent, Aang is clever and even a bit wise. Against Azula he (and to a somewhat lesser extent EVERYONE ELSE) is a complete moron. Iroh was able to beat her effortlessly during her first appearance, then all of a sudden she was able to evade/defeat Iroh, Aang, Zuko, Katara AND Sokka together!together!
**** Iroh "beat" her by taking her by surprise. Plus, this is ''Iroh''. You can't really say that getting beat by him makes you a weakling made of fail. And she evaded Everyone in the chase by realizing that she couldn't take all of them, waiting for a proper distraction, and abusing that distraction to cause a bigger one, and then she escaped. And Aang going into a meditative state in the middle of the fight had noting to do with Azula in and of itself. Because he ran out on Guru Pathik, he was unable to enter the Avatar State ''at all''. So Azula, crafty being that she is, sees her enemy turn his back to her, and he starts to glow. Did you just expect her to stand there and get her ass beat?
**** Iroh "beat" her by taking her by surprise. Plus, this is ''Iroh''. You can't really say that getting beat by him makes you a weakling made of fail. And she evaded Everyone in the chase by realizing that she couldn't take all of them, waiting for a proper distraction, and abusing that distraction to cause a bigger one, and then she escaped. And Aang going into a meditative state in the middle of the fight had noting to do with Azula in and of itself. Because he ran out on Guru Pathik, he was unable to enter the Avatar State ''at all''. So Azula, crafty being that she is, sees her enemy turn his back to her, and he starts to glow. Did you just expect her to stand there and get her ass beat?
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** The Avatar State is powerful, yes, that doesn't make it unstoppable. It's still housed in a human shell, and humans can still be killed no matter how much fire they can shoot from their hands. And if you look at the scene, he ''turned his back to the enemy in the middle of a fight''. Azula saw an opportunity and took it.
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** The Avatar State is powerful, yes, that doesn't make it unstoppable. It's still housed in a human shell, and humans can still be killed no matter how much fire they can shoot from their hands. And if you look at the scene, he ''turned his back to the enemy in the middle of a fight''. Azula saw an opportunity and took it.it.
*** That's my point exactly. Aang doesn't do that in the Avatar State any other time. It's only when fighting Azula that he does something so phenomenally stupid. Against every other opponent, Aang is clever and even a bit wise. Against Azula he (and to a somewhat lesser extent EVERYONE ELSE) is a complete moron. Iroh was able to beat her effortlessly during her first appearance, then all of a sudden she was able to evade/defeat Iroh, Aang, Zuko, Katara AND Sokka together!
*** That's my point exactly. Aang doesn't do that in the Avatar State any other time. It's only when fighting Azula that he does something so phenomenally stupid. Against every other opponent, Aang is clever and even a bit wise. Against Azula he (and to a somewhat lesser extent EVERYONE ELSE) is a complete moron. Iroh was able to beat her effortlessly during her first appearance, then all of a sudden she was able to evade/defeat Iroh, Aang, Zuko, Katara AND Sokka together!
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* The Avatar State is shown to be super powerful. Aang melds with the friggin' ocean and mops up an entire Fire Nation Armada. Then, he goes Avatar State and gets one-shotted by Azula... Really?! It seemed like such a huge inconsistency to me that it ruined any further appearances by Azula. She seemed like the writer's pet villain, and all the heroes had to carry an Idiot Ball (and Chain) whenever she came around.
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* The Avatar State is shown to be super powerful. Aang melds with the friggin' ocean and mops up an entire Fire Nation Armada. Then, he goes Avatar State and gets one-shotted by Azula... Really?! It seemed like such a huge inconsistency to me that it ruined any further appearances by Azula. She seemed like the writer's pet villain, and all the heroes had to carry an Idiot Ball (and Chain) whenever she came around.around.
** The Avatar State is powerful, yes, that doesn't make it unstoppable. It's still housed in a human shell, and humans can still be killed no matter how much fire they can shoot from their hands. And if you look at the scene, he ''turned his back to the enemy in the middle of a fight''. Azula saw an opportunity and took it.
** The Avatar State is powerful, yes, that doesn't make it unstoppable. It's still housed in a human shell, and humans can still be killed no matter how much fire they can shoot from their hands. And if you look at the scene, he ''turned his back to the enemy in the middle of a fight''. Azula saw an opportunity and took it.
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* Kyoshi and the Dai Li. The 'Escape from the Spirit World' short claims she began the Dai Li as a way of maintaining Ba Sing Se's cultural heritage, but she describes them as skilled, stealthy, elite earthbenders. The kind of traits you'd find in soldiers, or spies, or...secret police. What did she ''think'' they'd end up doing? I get she was trying to 'compromise' with the Earth King, but it looked as though she initially weighed it far too much in favour of his desire to suppress the rebellion.
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* Kyoshi and the Dai Li. The 'Escape from the Spirit World' short claims she began the Dai Li as a way of maintaining Ba Sing Se's cultural heritage, but she describes them as skilled, stealthy, elite earthbenders. The kind of traits you'd find in soldiers, or spies, or...secret police. What did she ''think'' they'd end up doing? I get she was trying to 'compromise' with the Earth King, but it looked as though she initially weighed it far too much in favour of his desire to suppress the rebellion.rebellion.
* The Avatar State is shown to be super powerful. Aang melds with the friggin' ocean and mops up an entire Fire Nation Armada. Then, he goes Avatar State and gets one-shotted by Azula... Really?! It seemed like such a huge inconsistency to me that it ruined any further appearances by Azula. She seemed like the writer's pet villain, and all the heroes had to carry an Idiot Ball (and Chain) whenever she came around.
* The Avatar State is shown to be super powerful. Aang melds with the friggin' ocean and mops up an entire Fire Nation Armada. Then, he goes Avatar State and gets one-shotted by Azula... Really?! It seemed like such a huge inconsistency to me that it ruined any further appearances by Azula. She seemed like the writer's pet villain, and all the heroes had to carry an Idiot Ball (and Chain) whenever she came around.
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* Kyoshi and the Dai Li. The 'Escape from the Spirit World' short claims she began the Dai Li as a way of maintaining Ba Sing Se's cultural heritage, but she describes them as skilled, stealthy, elite earthbenders. The kind of traits you'd find in soldiers, or spies, or...secret police. What did she ''think'' they'd end up doing? I get she was trying to 'compromise' with the Earth King, but it looked as though she initially weighed it far too much in favour of his desire to oppress the peasants.
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* Kyoshi and the Dai Li. The 'Escape from the Spirit World' short claims she began the Dai Li as a way of maintaining Ba Sing Se's cultural heritage, but she describes them as skilled, stealthy, elite earthbenders. The kind of traits you'd find in soldiers, or spies, or...secret police. What did she ''think'' they'd end up doing? I get she was trying to 'compromise' with the Earth King, but it looked as though she initially weighed it far too much in favour of his desire to oppress suppress the peasants.rebellion.
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*** Also - while the Kyoshi did cause death it was clearly in combat situation. If solder kills during war other solder he is not charged for killing by any side (as long as he adheres to rules of war). Hence capturing Avatar could be considered at most POW (except the war ended few hundereds years ago).
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*** Also - while the Kyoshi did cause death it was clearly in combat situation. If solder kills during war other solder he is not charged for killing by any side (as long as he adheres to rules of war). Hence capturing Avatar could be considered at most POW (except the war ended few hundereds years ago).ago).
* Kyoshi and the Dai Li. The 'Escape from the Spirit World' short claims she began the Dai Li as a way of maintaining Ba Sing Se's cultural heritage, but she describes them as skilled, stealthy, elite earthbenders. The kind of traits you'd find in soldiers, or spies, or...secret police. What did she ''think'' they'd end up doing? I get she was trying to 'compromise' with the Earth King, but it looked as though she initially weighed it far too much in favour of his desire to oppress the peasants.
* Kyoshi and the Dai Li. The 'Escape from the Spirit World' short claims she began the Dai Li as a way of maintaining Ba Sing Se's cultural heritage, but she describes them as skilled, stealthy, elite earthbenders. The kind of traits you'd find in soldiers, or spies, or...secret police. What did she ''think'' they'd end up doing? I get she was trying to 'compromise' with the Earth King, but it looked as though she initially weighed it far too much in favour of his desire to oppress the peasants.
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*** Also - while the Kyoshi did cause death it was clearly in combat situation. If solder kills during war other solder he is not charged for killing by any side (as long as he adheres to rules of war). Hence capturing Avatar could be considered at most POW (except the war ended few hundereds years ago).
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*** Even if we figure she didn't really kill him and only shares partial blame, Kyoshi had literally just explained exactly how she killed Chin the Conqueror, namely by complete and total accident and despite that only due to his own incredible stupidity. And then the villagers declare Aang, who himself has no connection other than being the reincarnation of Kyoshi and aside from that is the mother freaking [[TheMessiah Messiah]] and the only one who can save the world for some reason, [[DarthWiki/WallBanger guilty and sentence him to death.]]
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*** Even if we figure she didn't really kill him and only shares partial blame, Kyoshi had literally just explained exactly how she killed Chin the Conqueror, namely by complete and total accident and despite that only due to his own incredible stupidity. And then the villagers declare Aang, who himself has no connection other than being the reincarnation of Kyoshi and aside from that is the mother freaking [[TheMessiah Messiah]] and the only one who can save the world for some reason, [[DarthWiki/WallBanger guilty and sentence him to death.]]
