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** Several generations have likely passed, nothing indicates the Trench we see in modern day are millenia old. Arthur's control of them is the same the other sea animals, mix of SpeaksFluentAnimal and MoreThanMindControl.
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** Several generations have likely passed, nothing indicates the Trench we see in modern day are millenia old. Arthur's control of them is the same as on the other sea animals, mix of SpeaksFluentAnimal and MoreThanMindControl. When he grabs the trident for the first time, we see its power reaching the nervous system of every sea creature.
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** Several generations have likely passed, nothing indicates the Trench we see in modern day are millenia old. Arthur's control of them is the same the other sea animals, mix of SpeaksFluentAnimal and MoreThanMindControl.
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In Justice League, Arthur meets Mera briefly and at the end of the exchange, tells her“I "I am gonna need something from you”. you". The next time we see him, he has his mother’s mother's trident, implying that Mera got it for him. This movie shows he has always had that trident. What did Mera give him?
[[/folder]]** She most likely gave him the Atlantean armored suit he wears in the film, which might be some sort of royal heritage she might have had access to since she's betrothed to Orm, or perhaps the Xebellian royal family kept it after the sinking of the original Atlantis. The ancient Atlantean king who led his people in battle against Steppenwolf ages ago wore a similar (albeit more golden) suit.
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In Justice League, Arthur meets Mera briefly and at the end of the exchange, tells her “I am gonna need something from you”. The next time we see him, he has his mother’s trident, implying that Mera got it for him. This movie shows he has always had that trident. What did Mera give him?
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* On one hand, Thomas has clearly displayed Maori tattoos on his arms and Arthur seems to do the opening of a Maori haka a few times during the movie. On the other hand, Thomas seems to speak with an American accent and Maine, where he lives, is the second-most homogeneous (read: whitest) state in the union, so someone coming all the way from New Zealand to be a lighthouse keeper seems a bit circumspect. I first thought they might try passing Curry off as a Native American, perhaps Wabanaki, before I saw his tattoos.
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* On one hand, Thomas has clearly displayed Maori tattoos on his arms and Arthur seems to do the opening of a Maori haka a few times during the movie. On the other hand, Thomas seems to speak with an American accent and Maine, where he lives, is the second-most homogeneous (read: whitest) state in the union, so someone coming all the way from New Zealand to be a lighthouse keeper seems a bit circumspect. I first thought they might try passing Curry off as a Native American, perhaps Wabanaki, before I saw his tattoos.tattoos.
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* On one hand, Thomas has clearly displayed Maori tattoos on his arms and Arthur seems to do the opening of a Maori haka a few times during the movie. On the other hand, Thomas seems to speak with an American accent and Maine, where he lives, is the second-most homogeneous (read: whitest) state in the union, so someone coming all the way from New Zealand to be a lighthouse keeper seems a bit circumspect. I first thought they might try passing Curry off as a Native American, perhaps Wabanaki, before I saw his tattoos.
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** Saving the sub and letting his son die was presumably NOT an acceptable option, so doing any more damage to the sub if it got his son to leave safely would have been just fine. (It was already thoroughly banged up anyway, and it didn't, in the event, have a very demanding job to do.) If his son did not leave, he'd die too, so risking his son dying in the explosion instead of the incoming water isn't too much of a risk. But the grenade made his father dying (and no longer being someone to hang around trying to save) certain, imminent, and easily timed, as well as a very familiar thing to fear and flee. He's effectively committing suicide, his son cannot stop that, and getting to a safe distance means taking the first steps to getting out and living.
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* So the guy activates a grenade to pressure his son into abandoning him. 2 problems: If his son had been more stubborn he could easily have died too, and he nearly scuttled the submarine they were hired to capture. What was he thinking?
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* So the guy activates a grenade to pressure his son into abandoning him. 2 problems: If his son had been more stubborn he could easily have died too, and he nearly scuttled the submarine they were hired to capture. What was he thinking?
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* After Arthur claims the Trident of Atlantis, he is able to communicate with and command The Trench to help him stop Orm and his Atlantean allies. Is it possible that The Trench have not completely regressed and still retain memories of King Atlan, or at least the Trident of Atlantis, even after a millenia of devolving into a feral species?
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* After Arthur claims the Trident of Atlantis, he is able to communicate with and command The Trench to help him stop Orm and his Atlantean allies. Is it possible that The Trench have not completely regressed and still retain memories of King Atlan, or at least the Trident of Atlantis, even after a millenia of devolving into a feral species?
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* Mera says that after helping Arthur escape in defiance of then King Orm's will, she could never go home because Atlantis is notoriously unforgiving for slights against the Kingdom. She points out that even Atlanna, daughter of revered King Atlan, was sent to the trench to die for the crime of fraternizing with a land dweller and producing an illegitimate, half-breed heir, an insult to the throne of Atlantis. Atlanna and Mera were both deemed traitors and nearly killed by the reigning kings for "crimes" that didn't actually hurt anyone. Orm did far worse, murdering the King of the Fishermen, instigating a civil war against the Kingdom of the Brine, not to mention outrageously lying and conniving to Atlantis as whole to wage a war that would've killed millions on the low end. It's implied that he would be jailed because Arthur is gracious to his younger brother but don't the Fishermen and the Brine have the right to demand justice for the massive damage he inflicted on their individual kingdoms? Is Arthur's forgiveness enough to protect him from the fallout of murdering one king, attempting to murder a second, and ordering the death of the princess of a third kingdom?
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* Mera says that after helping Arthur escape in defiance of then King Orm's will, she could never go home because Atlantis is notoriously unforgiving for slights against the Kingdom. She points out that even Atlanna, daughter of revered King Atlan, was sent to the trench to die for the crime of fraternizing with a land dweller and producing an illegitimate, half-breed heir, an insult to the throne of Atlantis. Atlanna and Mera were both deemed traitors and nearly killed by the reigning kings for "crimes" that didn't actually hurt anyone. Orm did far worse, murdering the King of the Fishermen, instigating a civil war against the Kingdom of the Brine, not to mention outrageously lying and conniving to Atlantis as whole to wage a war that would've killed millions on the low end. It's implied that he would be jailed because Arthur is gracious to his younger brother but don't the Fishermen and the Brine have the right to demand justice for the massive damage he inflicted on their individual kingdoms? Is Arthur's forgiveness enough to protect him from the fallout of murdering one king, attempting to murder a second, and ordering a hit on Arthur that risked the death life of the princess of a third kingdom?
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* Mera says that after helping Arthur escape in defiance of then King Orm's will, she could never go home because Atlantis is notoriously unforgiving for slights against the Kingdom. She points out that even Atlanna, daughter of revered King Atlan, was sent to the trench to die for the crime of fraternizing with a land dweller and producing an illegitimate, half-breed heir, an insult to the throne of Atlantis. Atlanna and Mera were both deemed traitors and nearly killed by the reigning kings for "crimes" that didn't actually hurt anyone. Orm did far worse, murdering the King of the Fishermen, instigating a civil war against the Kingdom of the Brine, not to mention outrageously lying and conniving to Atlantis as whole to wage a war that would've killed millions on the low end. It's implied that he would be jailed because Arthur is gracious to his younger brother but don't the Fishermen and the Brine have the right to demand justice for the massive damage he inflicted on their individual kingdoms? Is Arthur's forgiveness enough to protect him from the fallout of murdering one king, attempting to murder a second, and ordering the death of the princess of a third kingdom?
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*Mera says that after helping Arthur escape in defiance of then King Orm's will, she could never go home because Atlantis is notoriously unforgiving for slights against the Kingdom. She points out that even Atlanna, daughter of revered King Atlan, was sent to the trench to die for the crime of fraternizing with a land dweller and producing an illegitimate, half-breed heir, an insult to the throne of Atlantis. Atlanna and Mera were both deemed traitors and nearly killed by the reigning kings for "crimes" that didn't actually hurt anyone. Orm did far worse, murdering the King of the Fishermen, instigating a civil war against the Kingdom of the Brine, not to mention outrageously lying and conniving to Atlantis as whole to wage a war that would've killed millions on the low end. It's implied that he would be jailed because Arthur is gracious to his younger brother but don't the Fishermen and the Brine have the right to demand justice for the massive damage he inflicted on their individual kingdoms? Is Arthur's forgiveness enough to protect him from the fallout of murdering one king, attempting to murder a second, and ordering the death of the princess of a third kingdom?
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* So the backstory of Atlantis is kinda similar to the one in ''Disney/AtlantisTheLostEmpire''. There is this powerful artifact that makes Atlantis a technological advanced civilization back when the rest of the world is still in the archaic age, but then the king messed around with it and resulted in the whole city sinking into the sea. The difference is, this Atlantis continues to thrive underwater. Its people manage to rebuild the city and make it even more advanced than before. If they have the ability to do that, why didn't the Atlanteans just get back to living on the surface?
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* So the backstory of Atlantis is kinda similar to the one in ''Disney/AtlantisTheLostEmpire''. There is this powerful artifact that makes Atlantis a technological advanced civilization back when the rest of the world is still in the archaic age, but then the king messed around with it and resulted in the whole city sinking into the sea. The difference is, this Atlantis continues to thrive underwater. Its people manage to rebuild the city and make it even more advanced than before. If they have the ability to do that, why didn't the Atlanteans just get back to living on the surface?
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** If the League were to search for the cause of the waves, they wouldn't have much luck as none of them are experts in oceanography.
** The point of Arthur's mission was to win over the Atlantean people and become king in accordance with their traditions. Showing up with a team of superpowered surface dwellers would only alienate them.
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* They have to believe in aliens because of the invasion, but there's no real evidence of Amazons or Atlanteans existing. The DCU heroes seem to be on the edge of myth to the general public, neither real or fantasy except to those who have had actual encounters.
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* They are busy doing the same thing as the Amazons and the Atlanteans were while Zod was about to destroy Earth's biosphere.
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** In most solo stories in DC featuring cataclysmic events, usually the explanation is pretty much the above. Though it doesn't always explain why they never attempt to get in touch with their colleagues who more than likely are the cause of said issue.
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* Given this is a world where an alien is a major superhero and an Amazon warrior has been around for a century, would the public be so dubious as to Atlanta being a myth?
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* Surely, the idea of Atlantis warring on Earth would merit Arthur putting in a call to them. If nothing else, Superman would be searching for the cause of the tidal waves and Arthur should know the League would be a huge aid to him.
** It's probable they're busy cleaning up the messes of those tsunamis and too busy to track down the source.
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* Given this is a world where an alien is a major superhero and an Amazon warrior has been around for a century, would the public be so dubious as to Atlanta being a myth?
** Aliens can be one thing but accepting an undersea kingdom hidden from the world for centuries is something else.
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* Surely, the idea of Atlantis warring on Earth would merit Arthur putting in a call to them. If nothing else, Superman would be searching for the cause of the tidal waves and Arthur should know the League would be a huge aid to him.
** It's probable they're busy cleaning up the messes of those tsunamis and too busy to track down the source.
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* Given this is a world where an alien is a major superhero and an Amazon warrior has been around for a century, would the public be so dubious as to Atlanta being a myth?
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* What happened to the Atlanteans who made the Desert Kingdom? If they made it to the Sahara, and built an underground citadel, then they must have thrived and flourished there. They must have adapted like Bedouins to the desert, so how could the place be empty? How could they die out?
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* What happened to the Atlanteans who made the Desert Kingdom? If they made it to the Sahara, and built an underground citadel, then they must have thrived and flourished there. They must have adapted like Bedouins to the desert, so how could the place be empty? How could they dieout?out?
** It is stated in the movie that the citadel was there ''before'' the Sahara turned into a desert. Since all their technology was dependent on water, this led to their downfall. Recall that pun aside, their nation was the Kingdom of the ''Deserters''.
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** It is stated in the movie that the citadel was there ''before'' the Sahara turned into a desert. Since all their technology was dependent on water, this led to their downfall. Recall that pun aside, their nation was the Kingdom of the ''Deserters''.
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