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** I suspect this is just one of those little quirks with CivilizedAnimal fantasy stories that you're just not really supposed to think about too hard.



** More likely, they just didn't see the point. To even be "working" in the sweatshop they must have no family, no money, no place to go. Why run away and risk ending up on the streets starving, when they could stay where there's garanteed food and shelter?

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** More likely, they just didn't see the point. To even be "working" in the sweatshop they must have no family, no money, no place to go. Why run away and risk ending up on the streets starving, when they could stay where there's garanteed guaranteed food and shelter?




I'd assume that's the reason. This is all from the mice's point of view.

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* We can assume that after they escape from the sweatshop, they notify the authorities of it and they arrest the owner. What he was doing was basically keeping them there and using them as slaves.
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* Why are the cats in the beginning so terrifying and why do they roar like lions? Is that what they sound like to the mice?

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* Why are the cats in the beginning so unrealistically terrifying and why do they roar like lions? Is that what they sound like to the mice?
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* Why are the cats in the beginning so terrifying and why do they roar like lions? Is that what their purring sounds like to the mice?

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* Why are the cats in the beginning so terrifying and why do they roar like lions? Is that what their purring sounds they sound like to the mice?
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* Why are the cats in the beginning so terrifying and why do they roar like lions? Is that what their purring sounds like to the mice?
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! ''Fievel Goes West''
* Why didn't Fievel follow the train tracks after going overboard?
** Because he's a little kid and doesn't think things through very well.
** Fievel actually does follow them, at first. He later becomes dehydrated and hallucinates his family out in the desert, and he wanders away from the tracks.
* How do the Native American mice have all that food in the middle of a desert?
** There are numerous animals and vegetation that are capable of surviving in the desert, and there are trade routes between those who live out in the desert and those who live closer to oases.
* How did NONE of the mice realize they were building an enormous, fully functional, and completely undisguised mouse trap?
** Maybe they all just never pay attention?
** [[TooDumbToLive Same reason]] Cat R. Waul has no trouble tricking them ''again'' in quite a few episodes of ''Fievel's American Tails''.
* Cat R. Waul was planning to spare Tanya because she's his "diva." Did it ever cross his mind that she might not be that enthusiastic about performing after witnessing him murder her entire family?
* Something that's always annoyed me: Fievel's dad in the second film telling him to effectively forget about Tiger because "he's still a cat." But then when they get to Green River, he instantly just accepts cats can be good too? Why?
** They weren't under the impression that the cats in Green River were good until after they got there, right?
** The villain used a puppet to pitch the idea of cats and mice in Green River getting along. Admittedly the father's line there (now that I really think about it) comes later on in the film. But that doesn't quite explain why they weren't too bothered about uprooting for a promised land, again.
*** Again, TruthInTelevision: Plenty of immigrants actually did head west because, again, they were told there was opportunity there. It was actually a bit closer to truthful, since even if they would still face social stigmas for being Irish/Jewish/Polish/whatnot, there was a semi-decent chance to make enough money or be invaluable enough that the social stigma didn't matter.
* Wait, those humans throwing tomatoes and eggs could hear Tanya singing?
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** Fievel actually does follow them, at first. He later becomes dehydrated and hallucinates his family out in the desert, and he wanders away from the tracks.
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** They weren't hungry at the time and were saving him for later.
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** I was always under the impression that the cats weren't with the Cossacks so much as scavenging off them.
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* What was the deal with the evil-looking Poseidon-shaped wave during the storm at the very beginning? I guess one might argue that it was Fievel's imagination, but the scene was clearly not from his point-of-view. It just seemed really out-of-place.
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* So is there any particular reason why a bunch of cats were travelling across the frozen wastelands of Russia with the Cossacks? I know the point of this is that it would run parallel to the prejudices that the Jews faced, but how often do soldiers bring cats to a warzone? Dogs? That I can understand. But ''cats''?



* In ''The Treasure of Manhattan Island'' how in the heck are the Native Americans growing crops in an underground cave where there's no sunlight? Where do they get the huge fruits and vegetables we see them feeding Tiger?

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* In ''The Treasure of Manhattan Island'' how in the heck are the Native Americans growing crops in an underground cave where there's no sunlight? Where do they get the huge fruits and vegetables we see them feeding Tiger? Tiger?
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** On a somewhat related note, in ''The Treasure of Manhattan Island'' how in the heck are the Native Americans growing crops in an underground cave where there's no sunlight? Where do they get the huge fruits and vegetables we see them feeding Tiger?


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* Wait, those humans throwing tomatoes and eggs could hear Tanya singing?
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** How high they were up was probably a discouragement, and Feivel's idea was crazy. Crazy enough to work.

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** How high they were up was probably a discouragement, and Feivel's Fievel's idea was crazy. Crazy enough to work.
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* Why was Tony Toponi almost completely left out of the second film? This alone makes me dislike it a bit.
** Tony's there. When the mice are moving in, he and Bridget are moving into an old boot with a little baby. He just wasn't essential the the current plot, so they didn't recognize him. Though they do put Bridget (and the baby) on a bus for the midquels.



* What is the point of the scene in the second movie where the human lady shoves the cat in her cleavage while shouting "pussy"? Like, is that supposed to be funny? It just seems so random and out of place, especially in a kids' movie.
** It's not random, it's setting up the ending. Once Cat R. Waul has been defeated, he ends up on a train with the same woman, impying his karmic punishment is becoming her unwilling pet.
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* It's not random, it's setting up the ending. Once Cat R. Waul has been defeated, he ends up on a train with the same woman, impying his karmic punishment is becoming her unwilling pet.

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* ** It's not random, it's setting up the ending. Once Cat R. Waul has been defeated, he ends up on a train with the same woman, impying his karmic punishment is becoming her unwilling pet.

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*** There are numerous animals and vegetation that are capable of surviving in the desert, and there are trade routes between those who live out in the desert and those who live closer to oases.

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* How do the Native Americans that appear in ''Fievel Goes West'' have all that food in the middle of a desert?
** On a somewhat related note, in ''The Treasure of Manhattan Island''...how in the heck are the Native Americans growing crops in an underground cave where there's no sunlight? Where do they get the huge fruits and vegetables we see them feeding Tiger?
*** As to the first question, there are numerous animals and vegetation that are capable of surviving in the desert, and there are trade routes between those who live out in the desert and those who live closer to oases.
* How did NONE of the mice realize they were building an enormous, fully functional, and completely undisguised mouse trap?
** Maybe they all just never pay attention?
** [[TooDumbToLive Same reason]] Cat R. Waul has no trouble tricking them ''again'' in quite a few episodes of ''Fievel's American Tails''.

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* How do the Native Americans I get that appear in ''Fievel Goes West'' have all that food in humans can't understand the middle of a desert?
** On a somewhat related note, in ''The Treasure of Manhattan Island''...how in the heck are the Native Americans growing crops in an underground cave where there's no sunlight? Where
talking animals, but do they get not notice that they wear clothes?
** They probably do, but in this universe there doesn't seem to be anything unusual about animals wearing clothes. The humans would just think of it as normal; maybe they'd notice it more if they saw an animal that ''didn't'' wear clothes. "Hey, look at that mouse, Bill, not a stitch of clothing on him! Times must be hard."
* Why is Tanya so arrogant in
the huge fruits and vegetables we see them feeding Tiger?
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last two films? In the first question, there are numerous animals ones she was more close and vegetation that are capable of surviving in lovely to Fievel.
** She's growing older and entering
the desert, age where she begins thinking of herself as "grown-up" and there are trade routes between those "done with childish things." And so the younger Fievel, who live out is still playing around, comes across much more as an AnnoyingYoungerSibling in the desert and those who live closer to oases.
* How did NONE of the mice realize they were building an enormous, fully functional, and completely undisguised mouse trap?
** Maybe they all just never pay attention?
** [[TooDumbToLive Same reason]] Cat R. Waul
her eyes, hence she has no trouble tricking them ''again'' in quite a few episodes of ''Fievel's less patience with him. It's not an uncommon phase for older siblings to go through.
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American Tails''.Tail''



*** Yup. "The streets are paved with cheese" was a reference to an actual belief, that America was so ridiculously rich that they paved the streets with gold.
* Watching this movie as a kid, it really bugged me when, every five minutes, Fievel and his family would be moments away from reuniting without realizing it. It's a real MindScrew for a seven year old child.
** As a young child, I saw it as [[YouCantFightFate unfortunate coincidences]] keeping them ''barely'' apart until Fievel fulfilled his destined prerogative or the movie was close enough to feature-length. RuleOfDrama (the poignancy of repeatedly missing them ForWantOfANail, and the TruthInTelevision of him missing them InSpiteOfANail) and seeing that his family was making their way okay, I think, justified the near-misses.
* When the cats capture Fievel in the first film, why do they put him in a cage instead of just killing him?
** Maybe they were planning on sending him back to the sweat shop.
** OffscreenVillainy. We never see a mouse actually get eaten by a cat in the entire series, it's only implied that it happens (though Fievel gets ''almost'' eaten).

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*** Yup. "The streets are paved with cheese" was a reference to an actual belief, belief that America was so ridiculously rich that they paved the streets with gold.
* Watching this movie as Why did all the other sweatshop workers never think of tying their sheets together into a kid, it really bugged me when, every five minutes, rope and going out the window before? Why did they need a little kid to tell them they could do that, when at least one of them is clearly an adult? And what made them think Fievel was crazy and his family would be moments away from reuniting without realizing it. It's a real MindScrew for a seven year old child.
it wouldn't work?
** As a young child, I saw it as [[YouCantFightFate unfortunate coincidences]] keeping them ''barely'' apart until Fievel fulfilled his destined prerogative or the movie How high they were up was close probably a discouragement, and Feivel's idea was crazy. Crazy enough to feature-length. RuleOfDrama (the poignancy of repeatedly missing them ForWantOfANail, work.
** More likely, they just didn't see the point. To even be "working" in the sweatshop they must have no family, no money, no place to go. Why run away
and risk ending up on the TruthInTelevision of him missing them InSpiteOfANail) streets starving, when they could stay where there's garanteed food and seeing that his family was making their way okay, I think, justified the near-misses.
shelter?
* When the cats capture Fievel in the first film, Fievel, why do they put him in a cage instead of just killing him?
** Maybe they were planning on sending him back to the sweat shop.
** OffscreenVillainy. We never see a mouse actually get eaten by a cat in the entire series, it's only implied that it happens (though Fievel gets ''almost'' eaten).
shop?



* I get that humans can't understand the talking animals but do they not notice that they wear clothes?
** They probably do, but in this universe there doesn't seem to be anything unusual about animals wearing clothes. The humans would just think of it as normal; maybe they'd notice it more if they saw an animal that ''didn't'' wear clothes. "Hey, look at that mouse, Bill, not a stitch of clothing on him! Times must be hard."
* What is the point of the scene in the second movie where the human lady shoves the cat in her cleavage while shouting "pussy"? Like, is that supposed to be funny? It just seems so random and out of place, especially in a kids' movie.
* Something that's always annoyed me: Fievel's dad in the second film telling him to effectively forget about Tiger because 'He was still a cat.' despite acknowledging that he was good - But they're going to Green River where apparently cats are good, too. Why?
** They weren't under the impression that the cats in Green River were good until after they got there, right?
** The villain used a puppet to pitch the idea of cats and mice in Green River getting along. Admittedly the father's line there (now that I really think about it) comes later on in the film. But that doesn't quite explain why they weren't too bothered about uprooting for a promised land, again.
*** Again, TruthInTelevision: Plenty of immigrants actually did head west because, again, they were told there was opportunity there. It was actually a bit closer to truthful, since even if they would still face social stigmas for being Irish/Jewish/Polish/whatnot, there was a semi-decent chance to make enough money or be invaluable enough that the social stigma didn't matter.
* Why didn't Fievil follow the train tracks in the second film after going overboard?
** Because he's a little kid and doesn't think things through very well.
* In the first film, why did all the other sweatshop workers never think of tying their sheets together into a rope and going out the window before? Why did they need a little kid to tell them they could do that when at least one of them is clearly an adult (the one with a deep voice and a beard)? And what made them think Fievel was crazy and it wouldn't work?
** How high they were up was probably a discouragement, and Feivel's idea was crazy. Crazy enough to work.

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* I get that humans can't understand the talking animals but do they not notice that they wear clothes?
** They probably do, but in this universe there doesn't seem to be anything unusual about animals wearing clothes. The humans would just think of it as normal; maybe they'd notice it more if they saw an animal that ''didn't'' wear clothes. "Hey, look at that mouse, Bill, not a stitch of clothing on him! Times must be hard."
* What is the point of the scene in the second movie where the human lady shoves the cat in her cleavage while shouting "pussy"? Like, is that supposed to be funny? It just seems so random and out of place, especially in a kids' movie.
* Something that's always annoyed me: Fievel's dad in the second film telling him to effectively forget about Tiger because 'He was still a cat.' despite acknowledging that he was good - But they're going to Green River where apparently cats are good, too. Why?
** They weren't under the impression that the cats in Green River were good until after they got there, right?
** The villain used a puppet to pitch the idea of cats and mice in Green River getting along. Admittedly the father's line there (now that I really think about it) comes later on in the film. But that doesn't quite explain why they weren't too bothered about uprooting for a promised land, again.
*** Again, TruthInTelevision: Plenty of immigrants actually did head west because, again, they were told there was opportunity there. It was actually a bit closer to truthful, since even if they would still face social stigmas for being Irish/Jewish/Polish/whatnot, there was a semi-decent chance to make enough money or be invaluable enough that the social stigma didn't matter.
* Why didn't Fievil follow the train tracks in the second film after going overboard?
** Because he's a little kid and doesn't think things through very well.
* In the first film, why did all the other sweatshop workers never think of tying their sheets together into a rope and going out the window before? Why did they need a little kid to tell them they could do that when at least one of them is clearly an adult (the one with a deep voice and a beard)? And what made them think Fievel was crazy and it wouldn't work?
** How high they were up was probably a discouragement, and Feivel's idea was crazy. Crazy enough to work.
! ''Fievel Goes West''



** Tony's there. When the mice are moving in, he and Bridget are moving into an old boot with a little baby. He just wasn't essential the the current plot, so they didn't recognize him. Though they do put Bridget(and the baby) on a bus for the midquels.
* Why is Tanya so arrogant in the last two films? In the first ones she was more close and lovely to Fievel.
** She's growing older, and is entering the age where she begins thinking of herself as "grown-up" and "done with childish things." And so the younger Fievel, who is still playing around, comes across much more as an AnnoyingYoungerSibling in her eyes, hence she has less patience with him. It's not an uncommon phase for older siblings to go through.

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** Tony's there. When the mice are moving in, he and Bridget are moving into an old boot with a little baby. He just wasn't essential the the current plot, so they didn't recognize him. Though they do put Bridget(and Bridget (and the baby) on a bus for the midquels.
* Why is Tanya so arrogant didn't Fievel follow the train tracks after going overboard?
** Because he's a little kid and doesn't think things through very well.
* How do the Native American mice have all that food
in the last two films? In middle of a desert?
*** There are numerous animals and vegetation that are capable of surviving in
the first ones she was more close desert, and lovely there are trade routes between those who live out in the desert and those who live closer to Fievel.
oases.
** She's On a somewhat related note, in ''The Treasure of Manhattan Island'' how in the heck are the Native Americans growing older, and is entering the age crops in an underground cave where she begins thinking of herself as "grown-up" there's no sunlight? Where do they get the huge fruits and "done with childish things.vegetables we see them feeding Tiger?
* How did NONE of the mice realize they were building an enormous, fully functional, and completely undisguised mouse trap?
** Maybe they all just never pay attention?
** [[TooDumbToLive Same reason]] Cat R. Waul has no trouble tricking them ''again'' in quite a few episodes of ''Fievel's American Tails''.
* Something that's always annoyed me: Fievel's dad in the second film telling him to effectively forget about Tiger because "he's still a cat.
" And so But then when they get to Green River, he instantly just accepts cats can be good too? Why?
** They weren't under
the younger Fievel, who is impression that the cats in Green River were good until after they got there, right?
** The villain used a puppet to pitch the idea of cats and mice in Green River getting along. Admittedly the father's line there (now that I really think about it) comes later on in the film. But that doesn't quite explain why they weren't too bothered about uprooting for a promised land, again.
*** Again, TruthInTelevision: Plenty of immigrants actually did head west because, again, they were told there was opportunity there. It was actually a bit closer to truthful, since even if they would
still playing around, comes across much more as an AnnoyingYoungerSibling face social stigmas for being Irish/Jewish/Polish/whatnot, there was a semi-decent chance to make enough money or be invaluable enough that the social stigma didn't matter.
* What is the point of the scene in the second movie where the human lady shoves the cat
in her eyes, hence she has less patience with him. cleavage while shouting "pussy"? Like, is that supposed to be funny? It just seems so random and out of place, especially in a kids' movie.
*
It's not an uncommon phase for older siblings to go through.random, it's setting up the ending. Once Cat R. Waul has been defeated, he ends up on a train with the same woman, impying his karmic punishment is becoming her unwilling pet.
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* Why is Tanya so arrogant in the last two films? In the first ones she was more close and lovely to Fievel.

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* Why is Tanya so arrogant in the last two films? In the first ones she was more close and lovely to Fievel.Fievel.
** She's growing older, and is entering the age where she begins thinking of herself as "grown-up" and "done with childish things." And so the younger Fievel, who is still playing around, comes across much more as an AnnoyingYoungerSibling in her eyes, hence she has less patience with him. It's not an uncommon phase for older siblings to go through.
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* Why is Tanya so arrogant in the last two films? I the first ones she was more close and lovely to Fievel.

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* Why is Tanya so arrogant in the last two films? I In the first ones she was more close and lovely to Fievel.
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** Tony's there. When the mice are moving in, he and Bridget are moving into an old boot with a little baby. He just wasn't essential the the current plot, so they didn't recognize him. Though they do put Bridget(and the baby) on a bus for the midquels.

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** Tony's there. When the mice are moving in, he and Bridget are moving into an old boot with a little baby. He just wasn't essential the the current plot, so they didn't recognize him. Though they do put Bridget(and the baby) on a bus for the midquels.midquels.
*Why is Tanya so arrogant in the last two films? I the first ones she was more close and lovely to Fievel.
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** They probably do, but in this universe there doesn't seem to be anything unusual about animals wearing clothes. The humans would just think of it as normal; maybe they'd notice it more if they saw an animal that ''didn't'' wear clothes. "Hey, look at that mouse, Bill, not a stitch of clothing on him! Times must be hard."
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** Because he's a little kid and doesn't think things through very well.
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*** Again, TruthInTelevision: Plenty of immigrants actually did head west because, again, they were told there was opportunity there. It was actually a bit closer to truthful, since even if they would still face social stigmas for being Irish/Jewish/Polish/whatnot, there was a semi-decent chance to make enough money or be invaluable enough that the social stigma didn't matter.
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*** Yup. "The streets are paved with cheese" was a reference to an actual belief, that America was so ridiculously rich that they paved the streets with gold.
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* Why was Tony Toponi almost completely left out of the second film? This alone makes me dislike it a bit.

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* Why was Tony Toponi almost completely left out of the second film? This alone makes me dislike it a bit.bit.
**Tony's there. When the mice are moving in, he and Bridget are moving into an old boot with a little baby. He just wasn't essential the the current plot, so they didn't recognize him. Though they do put Bridget(and the baby) on a bus for the midquels.
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** How high they were up was probably a discouragement, and Feivel's idea was crazy. Crazy enough to work.

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** How high they were up was probably a discouragement, and Feivel's idea was crazy. Crazy enough to work.work.
* Why was Tony Toponi almost completely left out of the second film? This alone makes me dislike it a bit.

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