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** The problem with the egg scenario is twofold. One, we know that the egg wasn't laid on the dropship, as the establishing shot shows that the egg has been stuck upside-down under (what looks like) a row of seats with the word "Sulaco" in the background. Two, from the time that the Queen exits the dropship, at least one person is looking at her at all times. When she exits, it's Ripley and Newt, then (when she's snooping around trying to pull up the floorgrates) Newt and Bishop, then it's Ripley and Bishop during the fight, and then the Queen goes into the airlock. There's no conceivable way that the Queen deposited an egg (even in the landing bay) when someone was watching her at all times.
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**** ^ There may not be "verifiable" evidence, but there sure is a lot of on-screen evidence. The operation to remove the facehugger in the first film (the crew attempts to cut into the leg, and acid bleeds out), Vasquez shooting a xenomorph in the second film (which causes a large amount of clear liquid to spray everywhere, including Drake's face), multiple shots of xenomorphs being ripped or blown apart (with their "blood" spraying everywhere), etc. By real-world logic, no, the audience has no reason to believe it's blood, but in the ''Alien'' universe, until it's proven otherwise, it's what all the characters assume it to be.
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******** The aliens increase in number rapidly after taking over the colony, but there would still be more colonists than aliens for at least a few generations. I don't know how cocooning works but it seems it would serve the purpose of keeping any number of hosts (everyone but Newt in this case) alive until the Queen had produced enough eggs to infect all of them. If Newt survived long enough that the aliens had retreated to the nest, then maybe she never saw another one until the Marines' arrival.
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******** The aliens increase in number rapidly after taking over the colony, but there would still be more colonists than aliens for at least a few generations. I don't know how cocooning works but it seems it would serve the purpose of keeping any number of hosts (everyone but Newt in this case) alive until the Queen queen had produced enough eggs to infect all of them. If Newt survived long enough that the aliens had retreated to the nest, then maybe she never saw another one until the Marines' arrival.
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********The aliens increase in number rapidly after taking over the colony, but there would still be more colonists than aliens for at least a few generations. I don't know how cocooning works but it seems it would serve the purpose of keeping any number of hosts (everyone but Newt in this case) alive until the Queen had produced enough eggs to infect all of them. If Newt survived long enough that the aliens had retreated to the nest, then maybe she never saw another one until the Marines' arrival.
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*** The 79 I get, but where do you get the 21 from? It could just as easily be 2279, 2379, etc.
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*** Except IIRC the opening scene just before the Sulaco dumps Ripley onto the prison planet clearly shows a hatched alien egg hidden somewhere on the mothership, not on the dropship.
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** Ah, but did anyone hear them?
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*** Nonsense. Just because characters "refer" to it as blood doesn't mean it is. Characters in Star Wars often refer to ship-mounted weapons as "turbolasers" despite the fact that they are clearly not lasers of any sort. And in real life people often refer to any technical drawing as a "blueprint" despite the fact that no one uses [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanotype cyanotype]] anymore. The fact is we have no solid, verifiable, canon evidence that the acidic compound produced by the xenomorph is their equivalent to blood.
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** Or she stuck the eggs to the dropship itself. Apparently the dropship had enough room to hide an entire alien queen stowaway! Room more for two eggs isn't unbelievable.
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*** That's a bit ridiculous. It's been reffered as their blood through all the movies. Fan especulation means nothing if it goes against something that was repeatedly and clearly stated in canon material.
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** I always had the impression that between the first ambush, that sentry guns scene, and the scene where they drop from the ceiling, most of the Xenos WERE killed. Notice that the Queen only had a couple of them as guards, and Ripley didn't run into any more while escaping.
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******* That can't be right. Notwithstanding the improbability of Newt scavenging and surviving alone for nearly a year, there was the woman in the hive who "birthed" a chestburster just as the Marines arrived. Alien shows us that the incubation is a few days long. Then, once the Marines are barricading themselves in, Ripley asks how long it would take for them to be declared overdue and backup sent and Hicks' response is "Seventeen days." He didn't add "and then it would take 10 months to get here, rendering the entire barricade plan moot."
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******* That can't be right. Notwithstanding the improbability of Newt scavenging and surviving alone for nearly a year, there was the woman in the hive who "birthed" a chestburster just as the Marines arrived. Alien shows us that the incubation is a few days long. Then, once the Marines are barricading themselves in, Ripley asks how long it would take for them to be declared overdue and backup sent and Hicks' response is "Seventeen days." He didn't add "and then it would take 10 months to get here, rendering the entire barricade plan moot."
" The other thing is that it takes two weeks for the interstellar messaging system to work between LV-426 and Earth.
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******* That can't be right. Notwithstanding the improbability of Newt scavenging and surviving alone for nearly a year, there was the woman in the hive who "birthed" a chestburster just as the Marines arrived. Alien shows us that the incubation is a few days long. Then, once the Marines are barricading themselves in, Ripley asks how long it would take for them to be declared overdue and backup sent and Hicks' response is "Seventeen days." He didn't add "and then it would take 10 months to get here, rendering the entire barricade plan moot."
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*** Something similar was filmed, and appears in the Special Edition. The derelict is found by Newt's family, who were prospectors sent to investigate following Burke's message. The environment is now volcanic and the derelict is badly damaged, with one arm collapsed leaving a big hole through which Newt's parents gain access. Presumably the damage also knocked out the transmitter. Newt's father ends up with a facehugger attached, and hilarity ensues...
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*** If I'm not entirely constructing a false memory here, she put the cat in a cage before going to the escape ship. When she spotted the Alien blocking her way, she dropped the cage and fled back to the self-destruct controls. Unable to shut it down, she went back, found the road clear and made a dash for the pod, grabbing the cage on her way. At no point did she detour or take any special risks just to save the cat.
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** Not a problem compared to what her PMS would probably be like.
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****** For the record, the trip from LV-426 to Earth takes 10 months, as mentioned in Aliens.
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***** There's also the issue of cabin fever. Even though the trip to LV-426 was short, it was still probably several weeks, which is an awfully long time to spend on a tiny ship evidently built by the lowest bidder. This troper can't recall much in the way of entertainment systems on either the ''Nostromo'' or the ''Sulaco''. There would be more room without 20+ marines, of course, but that would be a subtle but glaring reminder of what had just happened. Then there's Newt. Poor girl had already suffered terrible trauma and loneliness-better to put her in hypersleep so as to get her into the care of a qualified therapist more quickly. [[DisContinuity Which is what actually happened, as we all know.]]
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***** There's also the issue of cabin fever. Even though the trip to LV-426 was short, it was still probably several weeks, which is an awfully long time to spend on a tiny ship evidently built by the lowest bidder. This troper can't recall much in the way of entertainment systems on either the ''Nostromo'' or the ''Sulaco''. There would be more room without 20+ marines, of course, but that would be a subtle but glaring reminder of what had just happened. Then there's Newt. Poor girl had already suffered terrible trauma and loneliness-better to put her in hypersleep so as to get her into the care of a qualified therapist more quickly. [[DisContinuity Which is what actually happened, as we all know.]]
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** I suppose you'd have to assume the queen grabbed an undamaged egg and lugged it along with her when she stowed away on the dropship. When they reached the Sulaco the queen jumped off, hid the egg somewhere, then ran back and jumped back onto the dropship again for some reason. All of this in between the time when the dropship arrived on the mothership but before Ripley and the others disembarked. On another note, I think I just demonstrated why Alien III is considered DisContinuity by so many fans.
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** I suppose you'd have to assume the queen grabbed an undamaged egg and lugged it along with her when she stowed away on the dropship. When they reached the Sulaco the queen jumped off, hid the egg somewhere, then ran back and jumped back onto the dropship again for some reason. All of this in between the time when the dropship arrived on the mothership but before Ripley and the others disembarked. On another note, I think I just demonstrated why Alien III is considered DisContinuity by so many fans.
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** It may not be their "blood" per se. Some have speculated that it's merely an incredibly powerful acidic substance stored under pressure in a layer just under their exoskeleton as a defense mechanism.
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*** Unlikely. This troper doesn't believe it's ever been demonstrated that the xenos have a short lifespan. In fact, other parts of the Alien franchise have demonstrated the opposite; that the xenos are capable of surviving quite a long time and can survive even longer by going into a hibernative state.
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** I suppose you'd have to assume the queen grabbed an undamaged egg and lugged it along with her when she stowed away on the dropship. When they reached the Sulaco the queen jumped off, hid the egg somewhere, then ran back and jumped back onto the dropship again for some reason. All of this in between the time when the dropship arrived on the mothership but before Ripley and the others disembarked. On another note, I think I just demonstrated why Alien III is considered DisContinuity by so many fans.
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* Never mind why Ripley put herself into cold sleep. How in the world could there be an egg on the Sulaco at the end of Aliens anyway? And even if there was some way that could possibly have happened, we're supposed to believe that Ripley didn't give the ship a thorough going over before bedding down? The entire premise of the third movie is stupid given the ending of the second movie.
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*** Mathematics is universal. The above troper is suggesting that information be transmitted that can be identified as numbers, then use the numbers to identify another specific bit of information as the operation of division, and then sending a bunch of divisions by zero to convey the idea that something very, very wrong is going on. I'm not sure it would work, though... I can easily imagine an intended recipient interpreting the message as implying that something impossible is happening rather than something horrible and becoming curious to investigate it rather than scared away. Still, it's a pretty good effort at cross species communication.
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*** Mathematics is universal. In particular, any race which knows enough physics to build a starship must also be pretty good at math. The above troper is suggesting that information be transmitted that can be identified as numbers, then use the numbers to identify another specific bit of information as the operation of division, and then sending a bunch of divisions by zero to convey the idea that something very, very wrong is going on. I'm not sure it would work, though... I can easily imagine an intended recipient interpreting the message as implying that something impossible is happening rather than something horrible and becoming curious to investigate it rather than scared away. Still, it's a pretty good decent effort at cross species communication.
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So Yeah is dead.
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*** That doesn't really work either, since by leaving the space pod she's risking the Xenomorph getting into it without any of them knowing. Which it did, SoYeah.
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*** That doesn't really work either, since by leaving the space pod she's risking the Xenomorph getting into it without any of them knowing. Which it did, SoYeah.
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*** That doesn't really work either, since by leaving the space pod she's risking the Xenomorph getting into it without any of them knowing. Which it did, SoYeah.
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*** Mathematics is universal. The above troper is suggesting that information be transmitted that can be identified as numbers, then use the numbers to identify another specific bit of information as the operation of division, and then sending a bunch of divisions by zero to convey the idea that something very, very wrong is going on. I'm not sure it would work, though... I can easily imagine an intended recipient interpreting the message as implying that something impossible is happening rather than something horrible and becoming curious to investigate it rather than scared away.
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*** Mathematics is universal. The above troper is suggesting that information be transmitted that can be identified as numbers, then use the numbers to identify another specific bit of information as the operation of division, and then sending a bunch of divisions by zero to convey the idea that something very, very wrong is going on. I'm not sure it would work, though... I can easily imagine an intended recipient interpreting the message as implying that something impossible is happening rather than something horrible and becoming curious to investigate it rather than scared away.
away. Still, it's a pretty good effort at cross species communication.
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*** Mathematics is universal. The above troper is suggesting that information be transmitted that can be identified as numbers, then use the numbers to identify another specific bit of information as the operation of division, and then sending a bunch of divisions by zero to convey the idea that something very, very wrong is going on. I'm not sure it would work, though... I can easily imagine an intended recipient interpreting the message as implying that something impossible is happening rather than something horrible and becoming curious to investigate it rather than scared away.
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*** In mathematics, there are certain equations that are either inelegant, unwieldy, or impossible. The mathematical troper above was suggesting using one of these equations as a metaphor for an unsavory (or in this case, dangerous) situation. One of the most basic unwieldy equations is dividing by zero, because dividing by zero yields no meaningful expression. The sequence above is a basic primer to establish universally translatable numerals and symbols, and then to communicate the dangerous situation by repeating division by zero equations to indicate bad conditions. It would be a very vague warning, but a clear one as long as you have a mathematician or a semi-intelligent supercomputer on board.
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*** In mathematics, there are certain equations that are either inelegant, unwieldy, or impossible. The mathematical troper above was suggesting using one of these equations as a metaphor for an unsavory (or in this case, dangerous) situation. One of the most basic unwieldy equations is dividing by zero, because dividing by zero yields no meaningful expression. The sequence above is a basic primer to establish universally translatable numerals and symbols, and then to communicate the dangerous situation by repeating division by zero equations to indicate bad conditions. It would be a very vague warning, but a clear conspicuous one as long as you have a mathematician or a semi-intelligent supercomputer on board.
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** It's not a universal solvent. It's just a very strong acid.
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***She wouldn't put the whole crew and anyone else who finds them in danger by breaking quarantine procedures, but she would risk just herself to rescue her beloved cat? Does that work for you?
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* That brings up another issue that has bothered me for a long time. Xenomorph blood is a universal solvent. Uh...how does that work? What I mean is, it's their ''blood''. Why does it not burn through the xenomorphs themselves? Does it take on the chemical properties of a universal solvent only when it's exposed to air (and therefore would it be rendered harmless in the vacuum of space, or underwater)?
