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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8hZnE3RJLM&list=PLDEF92F38FC613C55&index=150&feature=plpp_video In this sneak preview]], [[spoiler: the Crystal Pony Twi talks to is clearly having her memories or mind tampered with by the villain in a manner quite like [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4 the SOPS]]. All the other Crystal Ponies exhibit similar symptoms and lack of emotion. whoever the villain is, they are clearly using a SOPS-style system to [[MindControl enslave and control the entire population]]! And you thought having absolute control over soldiers was bad enough.]]

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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8hZnE3RJLM&list=PLDEF92F38FC613C55&index=150&feature=plpp_video In this sneak preview]], [[spoiler: the Crystal Pony Twi talks to is clearly having her memories or mind tampered with by the villain in a manner quite like [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4 [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots the SOPS]]. All the other Crystal Ponies exhibit similar symptoms and lack of emotion. whoever the villain is, they are clearly using a SOPS-style system to [[MindControl enslave and control the entire population]]! And you thought having absolute control over soldiers was bad enough.]]
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*** Hopefully, by the time Fluttershy passes away, Discord will already have made other friends that will help him stay a ChaoticGood guy.

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*** Hopefully, by the time Fluttershy passes away, Discord will already have made other friends that will help him stay a ChaoticGood good guy.
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** Forget how bad he was, how about "how he got that way in the first place"? He's not incapable of empathy or remorse, he can and does respond to attempts to make him grow a conscience...who's to say the reason he became the malevolent GreatGazoo we all know and love/loathe is because [[KickTheSonOfABitch no one actually gave him a reason to stop treating them like playthings]]? There's a difference between inborn psychopathy and having empathy wrung out of you by a terrible life...

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** Forget how bad he was, how about "how he got that way in the first place"? He's not incapable of empathy or remorse, he can and does respond to attempts to make him grow a conscience...who's to say the reason he became the malevolent GreatGazoo we all know and love/loathe is because [[KickTheSonOfABitch no one actually gave him a reason to stop treating them like playthings]]? playthings? There's a difference between inborn psychopathy and having empathy wrung out of you by a terrible life...
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* Twilight was trapped in [[YourWorstNightmare her worst fear]] by Sombra's spell. That alone is horrible, but then you remember what kind of psycho King Sombra is. If that's the kind of magic he's capable of, just imagine what the poor Crystal Ponies were put through under his reign.

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* Twilight was gets trapped in [[YourWorstNightmare her worst fear]] fear by Sombra's spell. That alone is horrible, but then you remember what kind of psycho King Sombra is. If that's the kind of magic he's capable of, just imagine what the poor Crystal Ponies were put through under his reign.
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* The prologue ends with Twilight suffering a minor freakout, which culminates with her uprooting the library. Let that sink in for a moment. Imagine living in a village with a SuperOCD wizard whose equivalent of TantrumThrowing can launch a building 50 feet into the air.

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* The prologue ends with Twilight suffering a minor freakout, which culminates with her uprooting the library. Let that sink in for a moment. Imagine living in a village with a SuperOCD perfectionist wizard whose equivalent of TantrumThrowing can launch a building 50 feet into the air.
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* In this episode, consider that Pinkie reverts to Pinkamena, Rainbow Dash is almost cooked and eaten, and due to an animation error Dash loses her wings. [[Fanfic/{{Cupcakes}} The coincidences are more than a tad disturbing]].

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* In this episode, consider that Pinkie reverts to Pinkamena, Rainbow Dash is almost cooked and eaten, and due to an animation error Dash loses her wings. [[Fanfic/{{Cupcakes}} [[Fanfic/CupcakesSergeantSprinkles The coincidences are more than a tad disturbing]].
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* During the photo montage of [[spoiler:Spike returning Peewee]] in the ColdOpen, you'll notice that [[spoiler:one of the parent phoenixes]] [[MamaBear looks]] [[PapaWolf pretty]] [[AdultFear angry.]]

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* During the photo montage of [[spoiler:Spike returning Peewee]] in the ColdOpen, you'll notice that [[spoiler:one of the parent phoenixes]] [[MamaBear looks]] [[PapaWolf pretty]] [[AdultFear pretty angry.]]
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* Although Discord has reformed, his personality hasn't changed and he is still essentially a PhysicalGod who's raw power easily dwarfs that of even Celestia. The only thing stopping him from returning to his monstrous ways is that he realized he values Fluttershy's friendship and is consciously making an effort to behave himself to preserve it. Think for a minute what might happen if he and Fluttershy have a falling out, or worse yet, if something tragic were to happen to her. Rather than becoming the TricksterArchetype who is in it ForTheEvulz once more, he might go on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge and [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt raze Equestria to the ground]] out of anger.

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* Although Discord has reformed, his personality hasn't changed and he is still essentially a PhysicalGod who's raw power easily dwarfs that of even Celestia. The only thing stopping him from returning to his monstrous ways is that he realized he values Fluttershy's friendship and is consciously making an effort to behave himself to preserve it. Think for a minute what might happen if he and Fluttershy have a falling out, or worse yet, if something tragic were to happen to her. Rather than becoming the TricksterArchetype GreatGazoo who is in it ForTheEvulz once more, he might go on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge and [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt raze Equestria to the ground]] out of anger.
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** Forget how bad he was, how about "how he got that way in the first place"? He's not incapable of empathy or remorse, he can and does respond to attempts to make him grow a conscience...who's to say the reason he became the malevolent TricksterArchetype we all know and love/loathe is because [[KickTheSonOfABitch no one actually gave him a reason to stop treating them like playthings]]? There's a difference between inborn psychopathy and having empathy wrung out of you by a terrible life...

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** Forget how bad he was, how about "how he got that way in the first place"? He's not incapable of empathy or remorse, he can and does respond to attempts to make him grow a conscience...who's to say the reason he became the malevolent TricksterArchetype GreatGazoo we all know and love/loathe is because [[KickTheSonOfABitch no one actually gave him a reason to stop treating them like playthings]]? There's a difference between inborn psychopathy and having empathy wrung out of you by a terrible life...
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* A minor one, perhaps, but still: It's a damn good thing Spitfire managed to catch Rainbow Dash before she ''left for good''. If Spitfire had been just a few minutes slower in figuring out what had happened and tracking down her wayward cadet, Rainbow Dash might very well have spent the rest of her life falsely disillusioned, believing that her childhood heroes put more value on looking cool than on the lives of innocents. [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming And nothing could be further from the truth.]]

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* A minor one, perhaps, but still: It's a damn good thing Spitfire managed to catch Rainbow Dash before she ''left for good''. If Spitfire had been just a few minutes slower in figuring out what had happened and tracking down her wayward cadet, Rainbow Dash might very well have spent the rest of her life falsely disillusioned, believing that her childhood heroes put more value on looking cool than on the lives of innocents. [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments And nothing could be further from the truth.]]

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* Babs Seed's bullying is more physical compared to Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon's verbal taunting. Then it's revealed that Babs is a victim of bullying. Which makes you wonder how bad her bullying was compared to the CMC. [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E8RarityTakesManehattan Once we actually see Manehattan]], it only substantiates that what she got could have been worse then anything seen in Ponyville.



*** Actually on the episode's YMMV page, it was pointed out there are a ''lot'' of ways the plan could have gone [[GoneHorriblyWrong VERY wrong]]. Like what if Babs had gotten stuck underwater and help was slow...

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*** Actually on the episode's YMMV page, it was pointed out there There are a ''lot'' of ways the plan could have gone [[GoneHorriblyWrong VERY wrong]]. Like what if Babs had gotten stuck underwater and help was slow...
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* There was ONE colt. Ranbow yelled at him for getting to close to the fake heart.

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* There was ONE colt. Ranbow Rainbow yelled at him for getting to too close to the fake heart.



* More of a theory but if you notice,Twilight's eyes were fairly like Sombra's when she was under his spell.So what if Sombra is seeing his nightmare constantly?Maybe his worst fear is that the empire's current ruler becomes a tyrant and he over threw them thinking he was doing a good deed?What if he also saw his slaves as happy subjects under his rule and the royal sisters were trying to make the empire corrupted while in reality,he was the monster enslaving the kingdom?

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* More of a theory but if you notice,Twilight's eyes were fairly like Sombra's when she was under his spell.So what if Sombra is seeing his nightmare constantly?Maybe constantly? Maybe his worst fear is that the empire's current ruler becomes a tyrant and he over threw them thinking he was doing a good deed?What deed? What if he also saw his slaves as happy subjects under his rule and the royal sisters were trying to make the empire corrupted while in reality,he was the monster enslaving the kingdom?



** Yes she does. In defense of the mane cast, Pinkie Pie herself wasn’t sure she was the real Pinkie. There’s also a precedent in the series for Pinkie not taking dire situations seriously. In the season 2 finale when she was fighting an army of changelings bent on overthrowing Celestia’s government and basically raping the entire population for food, Pinkie eagerly jumped up and down saying “Do me! Do me!”. In the season 2 premier, she seriously considered not opposing Discord so that she could have chocolate rain. Based on her past behaviour, it wasn’t inconceivable that Pinkie Pie would be happily bouncing around with her clone army, innocently oblivious to the havoc they were causing, and it doesn’t speak ill of her friends that they would think that. Pinkie Pie is by her nature erratic and unpredictable, thus even her best friends could not be expected to predict how Pinkie Pie would react to such an unusual and confusing situation, which is why Twilight didn’t automatically assume the one Pinkie who was acting odd was the real one. Pinkie is also a very empathetic and forgiving soul, and would not hold her friend’s inability to differentiate her from her clones against them (again, especially since she herself wasn’t even sure who she was, and even explicitly stated that she couldn’t expect her friends to tell her apart). Granted, the plot is a bit of an idiot ball on Pinkie’s part, since she knows the clones don’t share her personal memories and could therefore prove who she was with a simple personal trivia contest (This is also how we know for sure that the real Pinkie wasn’t banished to the mirror pool). One would also think that Twilight would have wanted to confirm the real Pinkie’s identity before she started zapping them back to the mirror pool (based on how the spell was depicted in the episode, I think she was simply sending the clones back to where they came from, not killing them). On this page, there are tropers who object to Twilight’s test, since if the real Pinkie became distracted even once she would have failed. First of all, it was the real Pinkie herself who proposed the test (not specificially the watching paint dry part, but doing something boring). She proposed and accepted the terms 'winner stays, losers go back to the pond'. More importantly, remember that at the end of the test Twilight said “I knew you’d be up to the challenge,” . I think that speaks volumes about what her friends really think of her. They may not always understand her, or be able to tell her apart from forty other physically identical and behaviourally similar (if flanderized) clones, but they know that there is nothing that she wouldn’t do for her friends. An army of Dragons could have invaded Ponyville, and Pinkie Pie wouldn’t have looked away from that wall. After all, Pinkie’s special talent is making her friends happy, and her friends wouldn’t have been very happy if they accidentally sent her to the mirror pool. The magic of friendship ensured that only the real Pinkie could pass the test, and Twilight knew that.

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** Yes she does. In defense of the mane cast, Pinkie Pie herself wasn’t sure she was the real Pinkie. There’s also a precedent in the series for Pinkie not taking dire situations seriously. In the season 2 finale when she was fighting an army of changelings bent on overthrowing Celestia’s government and basically raping the entire population for food, Pinkie eagerly jumped up and down saying “Do me! Do me!”. In the season 2 premier, she seriously considered not opposing Discord so that she could have chocolate rain. Based on her past behaviour, it wasn’t inconceivable that Pinkie Pie would be happily bouncing around with her clone army, innocently oblivious to the havoc they were causing, and it doesn’t speak ill of her friends that they would think that. Pinkie Pie is by her nature erratic and unpredictable, thus even her best friends could not be expected to predict how Pinkie Pie would react to such an unusual and confusing situation, which is why Twilight didn’t automatically assume the one Pinkie who was acting odd was the real one. Pinkie is also a very empathetic and forgiving soul, and would not hold her friend’s inability to differentiate her from her clones against them (again, especially since she herself wasn’t even sure who she was, and even explicitly stated that she couldn’t expect her friends to tell her apart). Granted, the plot is a bit of an idiot ball on Pinkie’s part, since she knows the clones don’t share her personal memories and could therefore prove who she was with a simple personal trivia contest (This is also how we know for sure that the real Pinkie wasn’t banished to the mirror pool). One would also think that Twilight would have wanted to confirm the real Pinkie’s identity before she started zapping them back to the mirror pool (based on how the spell was depicted in the episode, I think she was simply sending the clones back to where they came from, not killing them). On this page, there are tropers who object to Twilight’s test, since if the real Pinkie became distracted even once she would have failed. First of all, it was the real Pinkie herself who proposed the test (not specificially the watching paint dry part, but doing something boring). She proposed and accepted the terms 'winner "winner stays, losers go back to the pond'.pond". More importantly, remember that at the end of the test Twilight said “I knew you’d be up to the challenge,” . I think that speaks volumes about what her friends really think of her. They may not always understand her, or be able to tell her apart from forty other physically identical and behaviourally similar (if flanderized) clones, but they know that there is nothing that she wouldn’t do for her friends. An army of Dragons could have invaded Ponyville, and Pinkie Pie wouldn’t have looked away from that wall. After all, Pinkie’s special talent is making her friends happy, and her friends wouldn’t have been very happy if they accidentally sent her to the mirror pool. The magic of friendship ensured that only the real Pinkie could pass the test, and Twilight knew that.
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* So, would if an ''evil'' character like [[MadGod Discord]] discovered the pond? Especially since, if we assume that the personalities of anypony who gets cloned get more exaggerated, (like how the Pinkie clones seemed to be even more loopy than the real Pinkie) would the Discord clones be ''even more twisted and depraved?''

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* So, would what if an ''evil'' character like [[MadGod Discord]] discovered the pond? Especially since, if we assume that the personalities of anypony who gets cloned get more exaggerated, (like how the Pinkie clones seemed to be even more loopy than the real Pinkie) would the Discord clones be ''even more twisted and depraved?''
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*** Even re-assimilation into a sentient entity is a fairly disturbing [[Franchise/StarTrek Borg-level]] outcome. It's ultimately hard to see a permanent and irreversible loss of body, self, and individuality as anything other than KilledOffForReal or AFateWorseThanDeath.
*** Worse still is that Twilight and her friends never asked these questions or had this debate. They quickly assumed this was the best course of action and quickly implemented it in spite of it being irreversible, without giving even an afterthought to whether or not such a thing was murder.
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*** Yes, but judging by the ending, [[KarmaHoudini Trixie]] didn't know that.
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*** In all honesty, Discord came across as ''worse'' in his first appearance. Sombra was merely uncaring about the pain of his subjects, while Discord delighted in it. Sombra was actually hurting them for a purpose, while Discord was doing it for laughs. Sombra was more ComicBook/LexLuthor, while Discord was more TheJoker.
*** True, but unlike TheJoker Discord [[ObliviouslyEvil doesn't fully grasp the suffering his fun causes]]-only with Fluttershy teaching how to be nice does Discord get what "nice" is. To be truly evil, [[AboveGoodAndEvil you need to know that evil exists]]. Sombra, on the other hand, is completely aware of what right and wrong are, and unlike Discord has neither [[BlueAndOrangeMorality a different moral compass]] nor was he born that way and thus in his nature to commit evil-he chooses to [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans bring people to despair]] solely because [[ItsAllAboutMe Its All About Sombra]].

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*** In all honesty, Discord came across as ''worse'' in his first appearance. Sombra was merely uncaring about the pain of his subjects, while Discord delighted in it. Sombra was actually hurting them for a purpose, while Discord was doing it for laughs. Sombra was more ComicBook/LexLuthor, while Discord was more TheJoker.
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*** True, but unlike TheJoker The Joker Discord [[ObliviouslyEvil doesn't fully grasp the suffering his fun causes]]-only with Fluttershy teaching how to be nice does Discord get what "nice" is. To be truly evil, [[AboveGoodAndEvil you need to know that evil exists]]. Sombra, on the other hand, is completely aware of what right and wrong are, and unlike Discord has neither [[BlueAndOrangeMorality a different moral compass]] nor was he born that way and thus in his nature to commit evil-he chooses to [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans bring people to despair]] solely because [[ItsAllAboutMe Its All About Sombra]].
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** Another possible explanation is that all crystal ponies are earth ponies, and pegasus/unicorn crystal ponies simply don't exist because it's not possible for them to be born that way.
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*** Yes, but judging by the ending, Trixie didn't know that.

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*** Yes, but judging by the ending, Trixie [[KarmaHoudini Trixie]] didn't know that.
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* Spike, a baby dragon, has a GrowlingGut loud enough to attract the attention of an entire train car. Just think how powerful it will be when he gets older.

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* Spike, a baby dragon, has a GrowlingGut loud enough to attract the attention of be heard throughout an entire train car. Just think how powerful it will be when he gets older.
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* There's a ''massive'' amount of FridgeHorror regarding Timberwolves and how they operate. There are several refferences to being carnivorous, but then you realise they're just wood and plant growth magically animated. Why would they even ''need'' to eat? In fact, it's likely they don't even have stomachs or digestive fluids at all. Which means they must kill either [[ForTheEvulz simply because they enjoy it]], or because [[BiggerBad something else is magically commanding them to.]] Both options don't really bear thinking about.

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* There's a ''massive'' amount of FridgeHorror regarding Timberwolves and how they operate. There are several refferences to being carnivorous, but then you realise they're just wood and plant growth magically animated. Why would they even ''need'' to eat? In fact, it's likely they don't even have stomachs or digestive fluids at all. Which means they must kill either [[ForTheEvulz simply because they enjoy it]], or because [[BiggerBad something else is magically commanding them to.]] to. Both options don't really bear thinking about.
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*** Also the fact that Celestia had seen many old evils returning lately, including Discord himself, Nightmare Moon, and King Sombra, all of them having been handled in the past by Celestia and/or Luna. Being her usual GenreSavvy self, Celestia knows the risks of having SealedEvilInACan and is looking for alternatives, offering Discord a chance to reform (something that worked with Nightmare Moon) before considering destroying him (as it happened with King Sombra).

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*** Also the fact that Celestia had seen many old evils returning lately, including Discord himself, Nightmare Moon, and King Sombra, all of them having been handled in the past by Celestia and/or Luna. Being her usual GenreSavvy self, Celestia knows the risks of having SealedEvilInACan and is looking for alternatives, offering Discord a chance to reform (something that worked with Nightmare Moon) before considering destroying him (as it happened with King Sombra).
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** You mean like [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR_8SDNQ0ks this?]]
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** There's no indication that what Star Swirl ''wanted'' the spell to do is what it actually ''does''.


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** It's not like she can't pass the torch. Heck, if Cheese Sandwich is any indication, she can teach other ponies her ways without even knowing she's doing so.
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**** [[spoiler:If it didn't destroy Chrysalis, isn't there a risk that it would instead make her vastly more powerful?]]


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** It was Pinkie (the presumably-real one) who suggested the test in the first place. Ponder the implications of that.
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** Even if Rainbow Dash did forgiver he, accidentally killing something like that would be emotionally scarring.
** It gets worse when you watch Tanks for the Memories, and see that Rainbow Dash is willing to ''sabotage a factory'' to prevent from losing Tank. What would have happened had Tank actually died?
* Spike's GrowlingGut is loud enough to attract the attention of an entire train car. Just think how powerful it will be when he gets older.

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** Even if Rainbow Dash did forgiver he, her, accidentally killing something like that would be emotionally scarring.
** It gets worse when you watch Tanks for the Memories, and see that Rainbow Dash is willing to ''sabotage a factory'' to prevent her from losing Tank. What would have happened had Tank actually died?
* Spike's Spike, a baby dragon, has a GrowlingGut is loud enough to attract the attention of an entire train car. Just think how powerful it will be when he gets older.

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