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** Hiei could also be anger against an ice user since he was abandoned by a ice's tribe.
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** Hiei could also be anger against an ice user since he was abandoned by a ice's tribe.
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** Which makes no sense when you consider that in a competition as brutal and cutthroat as the Dark Tournament, multiple teammate deaths are likely the norm, making finding more team members to take their place even more difficult.
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*** But if the above speculation is true and they did survive, then one wonders what their wish was.
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** Which makes no sense when you consider that in a competition as brutal and cutthroat as the Dark Tournament, multiple teammate deaths are likely the norm, making finding more team members to take their place even more difficult.
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** This troper thought the same, that Byakko's survival level went to ridiculous extremes and his actual death is so sudden and unexpected that one expects him to rise back up again like he did before, that and it's a total AssPull to suddenly show Hiei has honor at the expense of Kuwbara's character, further cementing his status as the ButtMoney who never wins any fights.
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* A bit of FridgeHorror: Most likely the reason Kuwabara sees attacking women as an [[ThisIsUnforgivable unforgivable sin]] is most likely due to being [[AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale abused for years on end]] by his [[BitchInSheepsClothing bitchy]] older sister, Shizuru.
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* A bit of FridgeHorror: Most likely the reason Kuwabara sees attacking women as an [[ThisIsUnforgivable unforgivable sin]] unforgivable]] sin is most likely due to being [[AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale abused for years on end]] by his [[BitchInSheepsClothing bitchy]] older sister, Shizuru.
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*** ^You mean "''im''probably". Please read OccamsRazor. For them to be well into their "teen"-equivalents would require Yukina's ovulation cycle to start ''significantly'' after puberty, developmentally speaking, which doesn't make sense. The ''big'' landmark of cis-female puberty ''is'' the ovulation cycle starting. With Ice Maidens, their ovulation cycle is a century long. Even if the whole species's ovulation cycles are synchronised, which is not actually indicated in the series, then logically Yukina and Hiei would have been born at around the same time as a whole bunch of other ice maidens, and thus would be hitting puberty at the same time as all the other ice maidens of that generation, and it only makes sense that said puberty would be timed to the species's ovulation cycle because ''that is what puberty is for''. If you ''really'' want to plausibly put them in their teen-equivalents, it makes ''way'' more sense to have Yukina be using some sort of youkai birth control because she doesn't feel ready to be a mother yet.
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*** ^You mean "''im''probably". Please read OccamsRazor. For them to be well into their "teen"-equivalents would require Yukina's ovulation cycle to start ''significantly'' after puberty, developmentally speaking, which doesn't make sense. The ''big'' landmark of cis-female puberty ''is'' the ovulation cycle starting. With Ice Maidens, their ovulation cycle is a century long. Even if the whole species's ovulation cycles are synchronised, which is not actually indicated in the series, then logically Yukina and Hiei would have been born at around the same time as a whole bunch of other ice maidens, and thus would be hitting puberty at the same time as all the other ice maidens of that generation, and it only makes sense that said puberty would be timed to the species's ovulation cycle because ''that is what puberty is for''. If you ''really'' want to plausibly put them in their teen-equivalents, it makes ''way'' more sense to have Yukina be using some sort of youkai birth control because she doesn't feel ready to be a mother yet.yet.
* A bit of FridgeHorror: Most likely the reason Kuwabara sees attacking women as an [[ThisIsUnforgivable unforgivable sin]] is most likely due to being [[AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale abused for years on end]] by his [[BitchInSheepsClothing bitchy]] older sister, Shizuru.
* A bit of FridgeHorror: Most likely the reason Kuwabara sees attacking women as an [[ThisIsUnforgivable unforgivable sin]] is most likely due to being [[AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale abused for years on end]] by his [[BitchInSheepsClothing bitchy]] older sister, Shizuru.
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*** From what I remember Koorime reproduce once every century. So the twins are probably passed youkai puberty (or at their "teen" years to fit the human age frame) but not at that time of the century for reproducing.
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*** From what I remember Koorime reproduce once every century. So the twins are probably passed youkai puberty (or at their "teen" years to fit the human age frame) but not at that time of the century for reproducing.reproducing.
*** ^You mean "''im''probably". Please read OccamsRazor. For them to be well into their "teen"-equivalents would require Yukina's ovulation cycle to start ''significantly'' after puberty, developmentally speaking, which doesn't make sense. The ''big'' landmark of cis-female puberty ''is'' the ovulation cycle starting. With Ice Maidens, their ovulation cycle is a century long. Even if the whole species's ovulation cycles are synchronised, which is not actually indicated in the series, then logically Yukina and Hiei would have been born at around the same time as a whole bunch of other ice maidens, and thus would be hitting puberty at the same time as all the other ice maidens of that generation, and it only makes sense that said puberty would be timed to the species's ovulation cycle because ''that is what puberty is for''. If you ''really'' want to plausibly put them in their teen-equivalents, it makes ''way'' more sense to have Yukina be using some sort of youkai birth control because she doesn't feel ready to be a mother yet.
*** ^You mean "''im''probably". Please read OccamsRazor. For them to be well into their "teen"-equivalents would require Yukina's ovulation cycle to start ''significantly'' after puberty, developmentally speaking, which doesn't make sense. The ''big'' landmark of cis-female puberty ''is'' the ovulation cycle starting. With Ice Maidens, their ovulation cycle is a century long. Even if the whole species's ovulation cycles are synchronised, which is not actually indicated in the series, then logically Yukina and Hiei would have been born at around the same time as a whole bunch of other ice maidens, and thus would be hitting puberty at the same time as all the other ice maidens of that generation, and it only makes sense that said puberty would be timed to the species's ovulation cycle because ''that is what puberty is for''. If you ''really'' want to plausibly put them in their teen-equivalents, it makes ''way'' more sense to have Yukina be using some sort of youkai birth control because she doesn't feel ready to be a mother yet.
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** FridgeHorror: Hiei is probably the second-most-often-[[{{Shipping}} shipped]] character in the series after [[FandomBicycle Kurama]]. Hello, Fridge {{Shotacon}}. I [[{{Squick}} did not want]] to meet you here today.
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** FridgeHorror: Hiei is probably the second-most-often-[[{{Shipping}} shipped]] character in the series after [[FandomBicycle Kurama]]. Hello, Fridge {{Shotacon}}. I [[{{Squick}} did not want]] to meet you here today.today.
***From what I remember Koorime reproduce once every century. So the twins are probably passed youkai puberty (or at their "teen" years to fit the human age frame) but not at that time of the century for reproducing.
***From what I remember Koorime reproduce once every century. So the twins are probably passed youkai puberty (or at their "teen" years to fit the human age frame) but not at that time of the century for reproducing.
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***The tournament rules make it clear that the winning team only needs to win three out of five matches. Three members of the team are alive when the anime takes place: Genkai, Younger Toguro, and Elder Toguro. The other two members likely died in the final round.
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** FridgeHorror: Hiei is probably the second-most-often-[[{{Shipping}} shipped]] character in the series after FandomBicycle and MemeticSexGod Kurama. Hello, Fridge {{Shotacon}}. I [[{{Squick}} did not want]] to meet you here today.
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** FridgeHorror: Hiei is probably the second-most-often-[[{{Shipping}} shipped]] character in the series after [[LanucherOfAThousandShips Kurama]].FandomBicycle Kurama. Hello, Fridge {{Shotacon}}. I [[{{Squick}} did not want]] to meet you here today.
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** FridgeHorror: Hiei is probably the second-most-often-[[{{Shipping}} shipped]] character in the series after [[LittleBlackDress Kurama]]. Hello, Fridge {{Shotacon}}. I [[{{Squick}} did not want]] to meet you here today.
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** FridgeHorror: Hiei is probably the second-most-often-[[{{Shipping}} shipped]] character in the series after [[LittleBlackDress [[LanucherOfAThousandShips Kurama]]. Hello, Fridge {{Shotacon}}. I [[{{Squick}} did not want]] to meet you here today.
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** FridgeHorror: Hiei is probably the second-most-often-[[{{Shipping}} shipped]] character in the series after [[LittleBlackDress Kurama]]. Hello, Fridge {{Shotacon}}. I [[{{Squick}} did not want want]] to meet you here today.
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* Interesting this isn't mentioned yet, but when Rando was killed off, it is very likely all ninety-nine of the techniques he stole are now LostForever. Sure, it may be a good thing some of them won't be learned again, but it's a bit tragic to think how many unique moves vanished in one kill and how meaningless the slain trainers' lives were.
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* Interesting this isn't mentioned yet, but when Rando was killed off, it is very likely all ninety-nine of the techniques he stole are now LostForever. Sure, it may be a good thing some of them won't be learned again, but it's a bit tragic to think how many unique moves vanished in one kill and how meaningless the slain trainers' lives were.were.
* Yukina and Hiei are confirmed to be twins in the Three Kingdoms arc. It's stated that the Ice Maidens/Koorime reproduce asexually every hundred years. It's also stated in Kurama's internal narration that Hiei isn't old enough to remember the really bad stuff Mukuro's done in the past, and if Yukina had children, it's highly unlikely that they'd never be mentioned, given that family is important enough to both Hiei and Yukina that they each independently went on a quest to find the other. Therefore, Yukina is probably not yet of childbearing age. Hiei's voice is pretty deep, so they're probably both somewhere in the middle of youkai puberty.
** FridgeHorror: Hiei is probably the second-most-often-[[Shipping shipped]] character in the series after [[LittleBlackDress Kurama]]. Hello, Fridge {{Shotacon}}. I did not want to meet you here today.
* Yukina and Hiei are confirmed to be twins in the Three Kingdoms arc. It's stated that the Ice Maidens/Koorime reproduce asexually every hundred years. It's also stated in Kurama's internal narration that Hiei isn't old enough to remember the really bad stuff Mukuro's done in the past, and if Yukina had children, it's highly unlikely that they'd never be mentioned, given that family is important enough to both Hiei and Yukina that they each independently went on a quest to find the other. Therefore, Yukina is probably not yet of childbearing age. Hiei's voice is pretty deep, so they're probably both somewhere in the middle of youkai puberty.
** FridgeHorror: Hiei is probably the second-most-often-[[Shipping shipped]] character in the series after [[LittleBlackDress Kurama]]. Hello, Fridge {{Shotacon}}. I did not want to meet you here today.
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* A lampshaded and PlayedForLaughs example of FridgeLogic comes up in the manga, when a story towards the end concludes with the statement that "[[HumansAreTheRealMonsters Humans are as bad as demons, maybe worse]]!" Then the author's editor comes in and says "But [[spoiler:Yusuke's]] part demon".
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* A lampshaded and PlayedForLaughs example of FridgeLogic comes up in the manga, when a story towards the end concludes with the statement that "[[HumansAreTheRealMonsters Humans are as bad as demons, maybe worse]]!" Then the author's editor comes in and says "But [[spoiler:Yusuke's]] part demon".demon".
* Interesting this isn't mentioned yet, but when Rando was killed off, it is very likely all ninety-nine of the techniques he stole are now LostForever. Sure, it may be a good thing some of them won't be learned again, but it's a bit tragic to think how many unique moves vanished in one kill and how meaningless the slain trainers' lives were.
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** In the anime, Seiryu did serve the purpose of showing that while he has been a cold blooded killer, Hiei still has honor, and doesn't take kindly to killing a comrade. If anything, Hiei is loyal.
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** Actually (at least in the anime dub), the team only had to have all 5 members if they hadn't already used a sub. A team that had lost members and subbed someone in could still compete, but a team who had not yet made a substitution could needed five people.
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** Actually (at least in the anime dub), the team only had to have all 5 members if they hadn't already used a sub. A team that had lost members and subbed someone in could still compete, but a team who had not yet made a substitution could needed five people.
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** Actually (at least in the anime dub), the team only had to have all 5 members if they hadn't already used a sub. A team that had lost members and subbed someone in could still compete, but a team who had not yet made a substitution could needed five people.
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* A lampshaded and PlayedForLaughs example of FridgeLogic comes up in the manga, when a story towards the end concludes with the statement that "[[HumansAreBastards Humans are as bad as demons, maybe worse]]!" Then the author's editor comes in and says "But [[spoiler:Yusuke's]] part demon".
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*** I always assumed that Genkai was actually the fifth member of Team Toguro, and that the other three were just kept on for fifty years.
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** To make it exceptionally rare that anyone actually wins said tournament, thereby avoiding having to actually give out the promised "Anything you ask for with no exceptions" prizes the winner is supposed to receive. Big promise gets people to enter, technicalities keep anyone from winning, no prize is handed out, sorry, better luck next time. Classic scam.
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** To make it exceptionally rare that anyone actually wins said tournament, thereby avoiding having to actually give out the promised "Anything you ask for with no exceptions" prizes the winner is supposed to receive. Big promise gets people to enter, technicalities keep anyone from winning, no prize is handed out, sorry, better luck next time. Classic scam.scam.
** On this subject, who else was on Toguro and Genkai's team and where are they now?
*A lampshaded and PlayedForLaughs example of FridgeLogic comes up in the manga, when a story towards the end concludes with the statement that "[[HumansAreBastards Humans are as bad as demons, maybe worse]]!" Then the author's editor comes in and says "But [[spoiler:Yusuke's]] part demon".
** On this subject, who else was on Toguro and Genkai's team and where are they now?
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* Why would a tournament that encourages "winner via killing" and also only allows ONE substitute per team no matter what make it MANDATORY that there be five people on each team in the FINALS or face instant DQ?
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* Why would a tournament that encourages "winner via killing" and also only allows ONE substitute per team no matter what make it MANDATORY that there be five people on each team in the FINALS or face instant DQ?DQ?
** To make it exceptionally rare that anyone actually wins said tournament, thereby avoiding having to actually give out the promised "Anything you ask for with no exceptions" prizes the winner is supposed to receive. Big promise gets people to enter, technicalities keep anyone from winning, no prize is handed out, sorry, better luck next time. Classic scam.
** To make it exceptionally rare that anyone actually wins said tournament, thereby avoiding having to actually give out the promised "Anything you ask for with no exceptions" prizes the winner is supposed to receive. Big promise gets people to enter, technicalities keep anyone from winning, no prize is handed out, sorry, better luck next time. Classic scam.
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** Makes sense. Although I assume Seiryu would still need to appear if Hiei hadn't been brought back as he and his fellows were based on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Symbols_%28Chinese_constellation%29 these constellations.]]
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* Why would a tournament that encourages "winner via killing" and also only allows ONE substitute per team no matter what make it MANDATORY that there be five people on each team in the FINALS or face instant DQ?
* Why would a tournament that encourages "winner via killing" and also only allows ONE substitute per team no matter what make it MANDATORY that there be five people on each team in the FINALS or face instant DQ?
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