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* The game lacks any distinction between members of the German government or military that are ''actually'' members of the Nazi party and soldiers following orders. The game's description of U-boat captains as being highly disciplined and loyal commanders can at first seem jarring to someone familiar with... say... the sympathetic captain in Film/DasBoot. However, it ''does'' make sense when you remember that in this game the Nazis ''won'' World War II, conquered most of if not the entire world (and even started branching into space), have solidified their authority around the world, and crushed the majority of their opposition. Since they no longer have any enemies that pose a serious threat (at least, not until B.J. starts fighting back), the Nazis can now afford to be more finicky in their recruitment. Adding to that, they are also presumably running institutions to indoctrinate future generations into supporting Nazi ideology to ensure that children also grow up to become Nazis. It would actually make total sense for the Nazi Party, after successfully defeating their enemies, to want to ensure that AllGermansAreNazis.

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* Frau Engel's "purity test" on the train is utter nonsense, and she happily admits it as such to BJ after he completes it. She only does so, of course, because she is 100% certain of him having Aryan lineage. However, when BJ is captured in Belica, Bubi recognizes him as the same man from the train; Engel's instant reaction is to order BJ (and the rest of his prison block) executed. He's taken her assumptions on racial purity and completely upended them and she cannot risk that sort of notion being spread, for the sake of the party and her own fragile beliefs.

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* Why does B.J. get so mad when J calls him a Nazi (in reference to pre-civil rights America)? His mom, Zofia is Jewish, [[spoiler: and we learn in New Colossus that his dad turned her in after the US lost to the Nazis]].

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* Set Roth was the one who gave the Nazis the modified Uberconcrete recipe, knowing it would develop mold and crumble away. Given that he has been shown to have medical knowledge as well, it's likely he knew what the mold would do to humans and may have even intentionally engineered it to be so. Given that by the time BJ finds him, he's already in his 60's and living in a deathcamp, he's likely made peace with god and made the recipe knowing it would eventually poison what's left of the human race. As far as he knew, he was the last Da'at Yichud left on earth and the world was beyond saving. Might as well take the nazis to the afterlife with him than leave the world in their hands.

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* In the lore it's stated that the Normandy Beach landings turned into a slaughtering ground, as the Nazis not only completely repelled the invasion, but only suffered casualties ''in the double digits''. In addition, the London Monitor alone was able to completely subdue the London populace even though, as powerful as it is, it's more or less a glorified tank. [[spoiler: However during the raid on Deathshead's compound, the Baltic Eye (the Monitor's predecessor) was able to take care of almost the entire invasion by itself and you can only destroy it by using Deathshead's own weapons. It's likely that Deathshead deployed it (or possibly had more than one) during the Normandy landings and the thing singlehandedly crushed the allied forces. As for why the Londoners would be terrified of the thing? This thing basically wiped out their standing forces and has now crossed the sea to finish the job (which the game heavily implies it did just that by killing what little resistance fighters remained). It's mere presence would break the morale of any resistance members left in London.]]


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* B.J.'s brain shrapnel is the reason why he lacks the climbing ability he had in ''The Old Blood'' in both this game and ''The New Colossus''. 14 years of catatonia also don't help.


* Towards the end of the game, B.J is ambushed by [[spoiler: Bubi]] while climbing a ladder and injected with a substance that can "paralyze an elephant". However, B.J shrugs off the poison and proceeds to stab [[spoiler: Bubi]] to death. How was B.J able to resist the poison? According to [[spoiler: Bubi]] the substance acts on the cerebral cortex. Remember what happened to B.J just after escaping the incineration chamber by jumping out the window? The shrapnel in his head must have destroyed or damaged the part of the brain that the poison works on, saving B.J. Deathshead even says as much (albeit as an insult) when B.J. runs into him later, complaining there must be a "defect with [his] cerebral cortex!".
* Notice how this is the first and, as far as the franchise is concerned, only time the BadBoss FatBastard couple of tropes isn't involved. Generals which represented these tropes in the franchise ([[VideoGame/Wolfenstein3D Fettgesicht]], [[VideoGame/ReturnToCastleWolfenstein Helga Von Bulow]], [[VideoGame/Wolfenstein2009 Victor Zetta]] and [[VideoGame/WolfensteinTheOldBlood Helga Von Schabbs]]) are deemed unfitting for the regime now that [[TheBadGuyWins the Nazis are in charge of the world]]. Either that or their failures made them scapegoats.

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* Towards the end of the game, B.J is ambushed by [[spoiler: Bubi]] while climbing a ladder and injected with a substance that can "paralyze an elephant". However, B.J shrugs off the poison and proceeds to stab [[spoiler: Bubi]] to death. How was B.J able to resist the poison? According to [[spoiler: Bubi]] the substance acts on the cerebral cortex. Remember what happened to B.J just after escaping the incineration chamber by jumping out the window? The shrapnel in his head must have destroyed or damaged the part of the brain that the poison works on, saving B.J. Deathshead even says as much (albeit as an insult) when B.J. runs into him later, complaining there must be a "defect with [his] cerebral cortex!".
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* Notice how this is the first and, as far as the franchise is concerned, only time the BadBoss FatBastard couple of tropes isn't aren't involved. Generals which represented these tropes in the franchise ([[VideoGame/Wolfenstein3D Fettgesicht]], [[VideoGame/ReturnToCastleWolfenstein Helga Von Bulow]], [[VideoGame/Wolfenstein2009 Victor Zetta]] and [[VideoGame/WolfensteinTheOldBlood Helga Von Schabbs]]) are deemed unfitting for the regime now that [[TheBadGuyWins the Nazis are in charge of the world]]. Either that or their failures made them scapegoats.



* Friedrich Keller is a French-born Nazi officer from Strasbourg. Strasbourg is the biggest city of Alsace, a French region located at the France-Germany border, and which was German until the end of Louis XIV's reign, and then it was also German-controlled between 1871 and 1919, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gau_Baden then was annexed by the Nazi Reich between 1940 and 1945.]] This cultural connection between Alsace and Germany gives him more reasons to defect to Germany.[[note]]The subject of Alsatian Collaborators was a very touchy subject in France, notably because [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malgr%C3%A9-nous 130,000 Alsatian where forcibly drafted in Wehrmacht and Waffen SS.]][[/note]]

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* Friedrich Keller is a French-born Nazi officer from Strasbourg. Strasbourg is the biggest city of Alsace, a French region located at the France-Germany border, and which was German until the end of Louis XIV's reign, and then it was also German-controlled between 1871 and 1919, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gau_Baden then was annexed by the Nazi Reich between 1940 and 1945.]] This cultural connection between Alsace and Germany gives him more reasons to defect to Germany.[[note]]The subject of Alsatian Collaborators was a very touchy subject in France, notably because [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malgr%C3%A9-nous 130,000 Alsatian where Alsatians were forcibly drafted in into the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS.]][[/note]]


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-->'''Klaus Kreutz''': Max doesn't speak English very well, but he does know "Project Whisper". It's a risky-business operation, and he knows it'll cost us to pull it out. Max doesn't like violence. He doesn't like to see anyone get hurt.

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* In the timeline with J, he dies playing the United States National Anthem on a guitar with a wall full of very loud speakers behind him. The Nazi soldiers who burst into the room say it's "some kind of weapon" before gunning him down. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_machine_kills_fascists Presumably for killing fascists]].

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* In the timeline with J, he Wyatt timeline, J dies playing the United States National Anthem on a guitar with a wall full of very loud speakers behind him. The Nazi soldiers who burst into the room say it's "some kind of weapon" before gunning him down. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_machine_kills_fascists Presumably for killing fascists]].



* The statue outside the front of the London Nautica which is destroyed during the suicide attack is of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun Wernher von Braun]], the German rocket engineer who helped designed the V-1 and V-2 rockets which were used to attack Britain at the end of the Second World War and whose work later contributed to the American space program. Obviously it's a riff on both his work for the Nazis and the fact that in this timeline he helped put Nazis on the moon instead of Americans, but there's also a bit of a StealthPun going on here. Wernher von Braun was the subject of a biography called ''I Aim for the Stars'', a title which many quipped should have ended with "Except Sometimes I Hit London". His statue holds a rocket which is aimed at the stars... and when it collapses, it hits London.

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* The statue outside the front of the London Nautica which is destroyed during the suicide attack is of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun Wernher von Braun]], the German rocket engineer who helped designed the V-1 and V-2 rockets which were used to attack Britain at the end of the Second World War and whose work later contributed to the American space program. Obviously it's a riff on both his work for the Nazis and the fact that in (in this timeline timeline) he helped put Nazis on the moon instead of Americans, but there's also a bit of a StealthPun going on here. Wernher von Braun was the subject of a biography called ''I Aim for the Stars'', a title which many quipped should have ended with "Except Sometimes I Hit London". His statue holds a rocket which is aimed at the stars... and when it collapses, it hits London.



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* Considering the [[TheEighties 1980]]-[[TheNineties 90s]] feel to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnioYhknoR8&feature=player_embedded#at=88 this in-universe video]], it seems to imply that despite everything that the Resistance did to oppose the Nazi regime, it will continue to maintain control of the world for at least two to three more decades. Even if the central government falls - and it hasn't, yet - the above cultural imperialism combined with the following years of peace will have (to some extent) normalized Nazi values for many civilians and conquered foreigners (imagine the mindset of the younger generation too young to really remember the horrors of [=WW2=]). Whoever replaces them is certainly going to be brutal, reactionary, and culturally shallow, because the world has ''already been remade'' in the Nazis' image.

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* Considering the [[TheEighties 1980]]-[[TheNineties 90s]] feel to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnioYhknoR8&feature=player_embedded#at=88 this in-universe video]], it seems to imply that that, despite everything that the Resistance did to oppose the Nazi regime, it will continue to maintain control of the world for at least two to three more decades. Even if the central government falls - and it hasn't, yet - the above cultural imperialism combined with the following years of peace will have (to some extent) normalized Nazi values for many civilians and conquered foreigners (imagine the mindset of the younger generation too young to really remember the horrors of [=WW2=]). Whoever replaces them is certainly going to be brutal, reactionary, and culturally shallow, because the world has ''already been remade'' in the Nazis' image.



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** Possibly confirmed in [[VideoGame/WolfensteinIITheNewColossus the sequel]] when Sigrun is given hell by Frau Engel for being overweight. They have camps specifically established for "unpure deformities" such as being fat, even for officers, so they likely did throw all their FatBastard commanders and the like into camps for exercise or killed them when [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they weren't needed anymore.]] The infamous BadBoss trait, on the other hand, is far from gone in the new Nazi regime.

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** Possibly Subtly confirmed in [[VideoGame/WolfensteinIITheNewColossus the sequel]] when Sigrun is given hell by Frau Engel for being overweight. They have camps specifically established for "unpure deformities" such as overweight and [[ImpliedDeathThreat being fat, even threatened with being sent off to a camp]] for officers, so they likely did throw all their FatBastard commanders and not fitting the like into camps for exercise or killed them when [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they weren't needed anymore.]] Aryan stereotype. The infamous BadBoss trait, on the other hand, is far from gone in the new Nazi regime.regime's numerous commanders.

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** Possibly confirmed in [[VideoGame/WolfensteinIITheNewColossus the sequel]] when Sigrun is given hell by Frau Engel for being overweight. They have camps specifically established for "unpure deformities" such as being fat, even for officers, so they likely did throw all their FatBastard commanders and the like into camps for exercise or killed them when [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they weren't needed anymore.]] The infamous BadBoss trait, on the other hand, is far from gone in the new Nazi regime.

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* [[spoiler:Whilst the Da'at Yichud may be somewhat contentious for undermining the [[StupidJetpackHitler traditional Nazi super-tech]] by making it crudely reverse-engineered ancient Jewish super-tech, it actually makes a lot of sense on multiple levels. Firstly, it's a hugely ironic middle finger to Nazism, reducing them to the same kind of cultural parasites they deride the Jews as by making them dependent upon clumsily aping the technology of the very people they claim are subhuman. Secondly, it's a subtle reference to the fact America won the war in no small part because, whilst Germany retained a lot of brilliant scientific minds, some of its best defected to America due to being persecuted for their Judaism, most famously Albert Einstein.]]


* This one is actually close to a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming or perhaps just relief. Deathshead has created enough weapons to conquer the world and defeated all of the Nazis' enemies but the rest of humanity is still at war with them. Seth talks about his super-concrete and passive resistance which we later discover is him commenting that his mold is going to destroy all of the Nazis' superstructures in time. This is also a metaphor for the Nazi regime itself. Think about it. The Nazis are all German and there's no sign of widespread recruitment of non-German citizens. They're also hated in every part of the country they belong in. The Nazis are relying on robots and cyborgs to maintain control and they can't afford to lose any of the troopers they do. Just as Seth predicts, the Nazi regime is doomed to fail no matter what. B.J. just helps speed it along...and not a moment too soon.
** Not... quite. WordOfGod says that the Nazi regime easily survived into the 90s at least, long after B.J.'s [[spoiler:presumed death.]] While it's not impossible for them to ''eventually'' fail, this is frankly true for any civilisation. Consider that in 1960 they already control over 75% of the world and, with them suppressing their enemies and themselves developing ever more technology along with replacing the world's cultures (essentially a long-term form of brainwashing everyone), what little resistance there is will eventually disappear entirely. The chance of the Nazi regime dying before its time is therefore very small.
** Of course, VideoGame/WolfensteinIITheNewColossus might change that.


* Considering the [[TheEighties 1980]]-[[TheNineties 90s]] feel to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnioYhknoR8&feature=player_embedded#at=88 this in-universe video]], it seems to imply that despite everything that the Resistance did to oppose the Nazi regime, it will continue to maintain control of the world for at least two to three more decades. Even if the central government falls - and it hasn't, yet - the above cultural imperialism combined with the following years of peace will have (to some extent) normalized Nazi values for many civilians and conquered foreigners (imagine the mindset of the younger generation too young to really remember the horrors of WW2). Whoever replaces them is certainly going to be brutal, reactionary, and culturally shallow, because the world has ''already been remade'' in the Nazis' image.

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* Considering the [[TheEighties 1980]]-[[TheNineties 90s]] feel to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnioYhknoR8&feature=player_embedded#at=88 this in-universe video]], it seems to imply that despite everything that the Resistance did to oppose the Nazi regime, it will continue to maintain control of the world for at least two to three more decades. Even if the central government falls - and it hasn't, yet - the above cultural imperialism combined with the following years of peace will have (to some extent) normalized Nazi values for many civilians and conquered foreigners (imagine the mindset of the younger generation too young to really remember the horrors of WW2).[=WW2=]). Whoever replaces them is certainly going to be brutal, reactionary, and culturally shallow, because the world has ''already been remade'' in the Nazis' image.

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