History Fridge / UminekoWhenTheyCry

* The fact that Bernkastel's personality has a meaning: [[spoiler: humanization of all the Umineko's readers that don't care about the hearth of the story, only in the truth, tricks and mystery. Basically, if you don't care about Yasu's love, you are as cold-hearthed, merciless and pitifull as her.]]

* Also, early on in EP 1, when Battler and the cousins are on the boat heading to Rokkenjima, after Battler freaks out over the boat going fast, he says, "I want to die on land, not in the ocean or sky!" At the end of EP 8[[spoiler: Battler (along with Beatrice) drown in the ocean.]]

* Also, early on in EP 1, when Battler and the cousins are on the boat heading to Rokkenjima, after Battler freaks out over the boat going fast, he says, "I want to die on land, not in the ocean or sky!" In [[spoiler: the Magic Ending of EP 8, Battler (along with Beatrice) drown in the ocean.]]

*** Red: Ushiromiya Battler cannot be the culprit. Taken literally, the murders simply will not happen. If Battler were a despicable person who could kill his family and loved ones so easily, then Yasu would have never fallen in love. No love for Battler, no bomb, no opportunity for Rudolf and Kyrie to take advantage of the situation and instigate the murders. The game in EP8 was specifically a false game made by Bern to ‘entertain’ Battler and Beato...while traumatizing Ange with the sight of her family being bloodthirsty killers. Bern herself even admits that ‘Rudolf and Kyrie are the killers’ is only a possibility, though Eva’s diary implies it might be true, she admits the possibility isn’t 100%.

* It always bothered me that mostly have work with assumptions that its a fair play, which abids to Knox Commandments. But the ??? part of EP5 confirms that this is so. Namely, Dlanor Knox red texts are just the number of the commandment and the description what it is, yet she can effectively counter Battler's Blue Text, going so far to seal away Red Text in his theories because its a supernatural aid. If this was not following Knox Commandments, that move would have been completely ineffective and Battler could have easily broken it by using Red Text.

** While Beatrice's weakness to Spiderwebs is explained [[spoiler: as the legend of Beatrice mixing with the legends of the evil spirits that haunted Rokenjima.]] Her weakness to mirrors is never explained directly. However, [[spoiler: when you realize that Beatrice is Yasu, it makes perfect sense. A mirror shows Yasu that she is not really a witch, by forcing her to see her true self, her "Beatrice" persona is weakened.]]

* Another thing regarding the witches' ages: [[spoiler: Since'' Higurashi'' and ''Umineko'' are in the same universe, it makes a lot of sense when the witches claim to be over a thousand years if you think about the crap that their ''Higurashi'' "doppelgangers" went through. Bernkastel is all of the Rikas who never made it to July 1983 and it felt like a thousand years to her, which is why she claims to be that age. Lambdadelta has Satoko's prankster personality and looks identical to young Takano Miyo. Satoko was ostracized by the village for what her parents did, lost her parents, was abused by her aunt and uncle, and her brother disappeared, where Takano's whole life was one huge TraumaCongaLine. No wonder she's in a high ranking of witches. Featherine looks like Hanyuu and talks like Hanyuu in God Mode and Hanyuu was sacrificed and watched over and over as the villagers went mad and tore each other apart and could do nothing about it. "Witch of Theatregoing", I see. And then when you see what Beatrice, Maria, Ange-Beatrice and Eva-Beatrice went through, it's almost as if the number one requisite for becoming a witch is to have a horrible life.]]

** Beatrice's archaic speech patterns involve use of [[UsefulNotes/JapanesePronouns the first-person pronoun "warawa"]], an obscure term whose kanji is derived from that of "mistress". It doesn't need to be said by this point [[TheMistress what role]] [[spoiler:two of the]] Beatrice[[spoiler:s]] served to Kinzo.

** In [=EP4,=] Beatrice says that it takes at least two people to create a galaxy. During the [[PowerOfLove duel to get love that will succeed miraculously]] in [=EP6,=] that line is repeated, only now with [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming a much more metaphorical and introspective meaning.]]

** So why do both Natsuhi and Rosa [[ButtMonkey almost always get wiped out swiftly and horribly]]? Beyond her abuse of Maria, who Beatrice dotes on, [[spoiler:Rosa's accidental involvement in the death of Beatrice III/Sayo's mother was what caused her to be handed to Natsuhi, which she rejected her and later pushed her off that cliff. This led Sayo to injure her sexual organs in such an irreparable way that, years latter, she would have had difficulty establishing her own well-defined identity, with related psychological problems and abused as the servant Yasu in the first place]].

** So why does both Natsuhi and Rosa [[ButtMonkey almost always get wiped out swiftly and horribly]]? Beyond her abuse of Maria, who Beatrice dotes on, [[spoiler:Rosa's accidental involvement in the death of Beatrice III/Sayo's mother was what caused her to be handed to Natsuhi, which she rejected her and later pushed her off that cliff. This led Sayo to injure her sexual organs in such an irreparable way that, years latter, she would have had difficulty establishing her own well-defined identity, with related psychological problems and abused as the servant Yasu in the first place]].

** So why does Rosa [[ButtMonkey always get wiped out swiftly and horribly]]? Beyond her abuse of Maria, who Beatrice dotes on, [[spoiler:Rosa's accidental involvement in the death of Beatrice III/Sayo's mother was what caused her to be handed to Natsuhi, rejected, pushed off that cliff, and abused as the servant Yasu in the first place]].

** So why does Rosa [[ButtMonkey always get wiped out swiftly and horribly]]? Beyond her abuse of Maria, who Beatrice dotes on, [[spoiler:Rosa's accidental killing of Beatrice III/Sayo's mother was what caused her to be handed to Natsuhi, rejected, pushed off that cliff, and abused as the servant Yasu in the first place]].

** So why does Rosa [[TheChewToy always get wiped out swiftly and horribly]]? Beyond her abuse of Maria, who Beatrice dotes on, [[spoiler:Rosa's accidental killing of Beatrice III's mother was what caused her to be handed to Natsuhi, rejected, pushed off that cliff, and abused as the servant Yasu in the first place]].

** Beatrice's archaic speech patterns involve use of [[JapanesePronouns the first-person pronoun "warawa"]], an obscure term whose kanji is derived from that of "mistress". It doesn't need to be said by this point [[TheMistress what role]] [[spoiler:two of the]] Beatrice[[spoiler:s]] served to Kinzo.

* Early in EP 1, there's a moment that doesn't fully pay off until EP 7. When Battler tries to grope Shannon's breasts upon seeing her for the first time in six years, she stands there silently and blushes furiously, but doesn't do anything to stop him. At first, it seems like she's only doing this because she is an ExtremeDoormat and ShrinkingViolet, though his being her boss's grandson probably doesn't hurt. Only in EP 7 do we learn explicitly that [[spoiler:she's been waiting ''a thousand years'' - or, if you insist, six years - for Battler to make good on the hint of sexual interest he showed when he promised to take her away from Rokkenjima on a white horse]]. Had it not been for Jessica's interference, she probably would've [[spoiler:gone into full-on Beatrice mode and]] jumped his bones right there on the beach.

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* {{Tropers/mikemeekins1}}:
** [[spoiler: In game 5, Beatrice is killed by being eaten by goats. If we consider that the goats are representations of the theories people have in the real world, it's a perfect representation of what just happened. Erika created a theory which then became truth, in other words the theories ate the reality. There's actually a better and more direct version of this in episode 2 when Battler is eaten by goats. At that point he had given up on solving the mystery, and was therefore swallowed up by all the possibilities and answers, AKA. Theories.]]
* {{Tropers/Gborr}}:
** For a good while I wondered that, if [[spoiler:all the episodes beside the first were written by Hachiyo Tohya / Battler, then what are the two clear ''Higurashi'' expies doing in the story. But then, as I re-read the first chapter, I found something amazing: After the first six murders, Battler discusses the suspects with Eva, and then he off-handedly mentions that he read ''Higurashi'' as a mystery-novel beforehand! I don't exactly know how that fits into the timeline, but this suddenly explains the presence of Bernkastel and Lambdadelta as created by Tohya's mind in reference to the corresponding characters in ''Higurashi''.]]
* {{Tropers/Xelloss08}}:
** In EP 3, when Beatrice rages against the idea of love, Shannon asks her, "Are those regrets your true nature?" In EP 6, we find out that the answer is a resounding ''yes'' -- [[spoiler:Beatrice was literally born from Yasu's unrequited love for Battler.]]

* {{Tropers/willowsomething}}:
** Another thing regarding the witches' ages: [[spoiler: Since'' Higurashi'' and ''Umineko'' are in the same universe, it makes a lot of sense when the witches claim to be over a thousand years if you think about the crap that their ''Higurashi'' "doppelgangers" went through. Bernkastel is all of the Rikas who never made it to July 1983 and it felt like a thousand years to her, which is why she claims to be that age. Lambdadelta has Satoko's prankster personality and looks identical to young Takano Miyo. Satoko was ostracized by the village for what her parents did, lost her parents, was abused by her aunt and uncle, and her brother disappeared, where Takano's whole life was one huge TraumaCongaLine. No wonder she's in a high ranking of witches. Featherine looks like Hanyuu and talks like Hanyuu in God Mode and Hanyuu was sacrificed and watched over and over as the villagers went mad and tore each other apart and could do nothing about it. "Witch of Theatregoing", I see. And then when you see what Beatrice, Maria, Ange-Beatrice and Eva-Beatrice went through, it's almost as if the number one requisite for becoming a witch is to have a horrible life.]]
*** As Maria, Ange, and Bernkastel express multiple times, the original purpose of magic is to bring happiness. But, even more, magic is dependent upon the belief in it. Hence those who can freely and visibly use magic (i.e. a witch) must necessarily be at an emotional point where their desire for happiness is not only a consistent desire of theirs but also vastly greater than everyone else's disbelief. In short, [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica who else would obtain this vast power and, in doing so, abandon their human life other than one who believes they have nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing so?]]

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{{Tropers/Clevomon}}:
* In EP1, when Maria is interrogated by Battler in the kitchen, Maria claims of Beatrice, "She's here right now!" At the time, Battler thinks that she's looking at a spot behind him, but [[spoiler:who was in the kitchen at the time? Kumasawa, Genji, and... Kanon]]. Yes, Beatrice truly was in the room then.
* Early in EP1, there's a moment that doesn't fully pay off until EP7. When Battler tries to grope Shannon's breasts upon seeing her for the first time in six years, she stands there silently and blushes furiously, but doesn't do anything to stop him. At first, it seems like she's only doing this because she is an ExtremeDoormat and ShrinkingViolet, though his being her boss's grandson probably doesn't hurt. Only in EP7 do we learn explicitly that [[spoiler:she's been waiting ''a thousand years'' - or, if you insist, six years - for Battler to make good on the hint of sexual interest he showed when he promised to take her away from Rokkenjima on a white horse]]. Had it not been for Jessica's interference, she probably would've [[spoiler:gone into full-on Beatrice mode and]] jumped his bones right there on the beach.
* {{Tropers/PataHikari}}:

* {{Tropers/Aelesis}}: Tsumihoroboshi-hen (''Higurashi''): "Demons in Hell, I bet you are just waiting for an amusing end to happen while eating some popcorn." And then I realised whose piece Umineko's popcorn-lover was in ''Higurashi''.
* {{Tropers/cainsonozaki}}: In EP 8 right before [[spoiler: Lambda tries to attack Featherine they talk about how attacking a miko is just like attacking the master and Featherine asks if Lambda even has a miko and she responds with saying "I've got a ton of them already...!!!30 or 40, I think. Maybe even more!" At first sounds like more bluffing and stalling for time. Then you realize counting up every character besides herself, featherine, bern, evatrice, and erika (who were technically all against her at this point) comes up to around 40! Everyone that Lambda stuck her neck out for just so they could have a chance at a happier ending]]

* {{Tropers/KooriRenchuu}}: In EP 8 near the end, it is stated that [[spoiler: the Ushiromiya eagle was unable to fly into the future due to it missing a wing. This is eliminated due to Ange's Witch of Ressurection powers activating. It then hit me that the Ushiromiya crest represented Ange. She was a Broken Bird that had only one wing. Any references in any song about a One Winged Bird may in fact refer to Ange.]] However, how would a One Winged Eagle fly? In circles! This is indicative of the [[spoiler: Groundhog Day Loop]] that was going on in the story.
* {{Tropers/Theshinysword}}: In EP 4 when Ange [[spoiler: reveals herself to Battler she is turned into a pile of red meat, how did she die in 1998? Jumped off a building and went splat on the pavement. She's just returning to her real world state]]

* {{Tropers/allfictions}}: '''B'''anquet, '''A'''lliance, '''T'''urn, '''T'''wilight, '''L'''egend, '''E'''nd, '''R'''equiem. BATTLER.

* {{Tropers/PuppetStrings}}:

* {{Tropers/Xelloss08}}:
** The "Sweet World Of Witches" sequence of EP 4, when Maria kills Rosa over and over again, is horrifying in its own right. But buried under the obvious horror is a second, more subtle layer of horror. From an anti-fantasy standpoint, what Maria is doing is venting her feelings of hatred against her mother by repeatedly killing her in her imagination. This is driven home in another scene where Battler teases Maria. When he asks for her forgiveness, she gives her 'Kihihihi...' laugh, and seems to be counting the 'hi's, as though imaginining something brutal happening to Battler each time...
* {{Tropers/DarkTeamRush1}}:
** An odd one. In EP3- the visual novel at least- Eva-Beatrice does seem a bit down after [[spoiler:killing Hideyoshi]], but the next time we see her she's back to normal and [[spoiler:when she kills George, we see none of that.]] Considering that she's basically an extra personality of [[spoiler:their wife/mother, that means she got over Hideyoshi easily enough that ''she killed their son rather happily.'']]

* {{Tropers/Oecchi}}
** In [=EP6=], Battler seems to really hate how the resurrected Beatrice keeps calling him "father". While at first you can just assume that he doesn't like it because it reminds him of how different this Beatrice is from the old one, [[spoiler:in [=EP7=], we find out the truth behind Beatrice's origins, and [[ParentalIncest how disturbing the implications behind the word "father" really are]].]]
* [=SLthePyro=]
** Bernkastel has some personal FridgeHorror once you realize the depths of her origins. [[spoiler:[[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry Rika has finally won her fight against fate and can live in a peaceful world with her friends]], but fate throws her one final curve ball in Saikoroshi-hen where she has to come to terms with her past. In succeeding she gets to go back to her own world, but purging herself of the past eventually gave rise to Bernkastel... who is more than implied to have all of the original Rika's memories. In a way, Bern fought for Hinamizawa as well... [[ShootTheShaggyDog but doesn't get to live in the peaceful world she was a part of and fought for]].]] It's not hard to understand why she's so bitter.

* {{Tropers/famfamfamfamfam}}
** As stated above, Battler hates chick!Beatrice calling him father. [[spoiler:In EP7, the full implications of this are revealed.]] However, there's an additional layer behind this. Battler became Game Master at the end of episode 5, confirming that he figured out the truth about the Rokkenjima Murders. So why did he hate it when chick!Beatrice calling him father? Because ''he had already learned the truth about [[spoiler:[[ParentalIncest Beatrice's]] ancestry.'']] This subtly implies that becoming Game Master also means ''knowing every character from the inside out, including their personal history.'' He probably knew about Maria's imagined killing of Rosa too!
** EP8 Battler's stoic demeanor when questioning people like Gohda and Kumasawa about finding the bodies becomes jarring and disgustingly frightening when you learn that [[spoiler:he was an accomplice of the true murderers, Kyrie and Rudolf.]] ''The acting was perfect.'' What guarantee is there that Battler ''wasn't'' acting in the earlier games?!

** As stated above, Battler hates chick!Beatrice calling him father. [[spoiler:In EP7, the full implications of this are revealed.]] However, there's an additional layer behind this. Battler became Game Master at the end of episode 5, confirming that he figured out the truth about the Rokkenjima Murders. So why did he hate it when chick!Beatrice calling him father? Because ''he had already learned the truth about [[spoiler:ParentalIncest Beatrice's ancestry.'']] This subtly implies that becoming Game Master also means ''knowing every character from the inside out, including their personal history.'' He probably knew about Maria's imagined killing of Rosa too!