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Bah, forgot bolding doesn\'t work in edit reasons. Anyway, you get the point, if you still disagree pull it to discussion.
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Ahem. \"The thing we trade for, a treasure that very few know still exists. They were supposed to have died with Aimia, you see. I came here with all these goods in tow because Talik sent to me to say they had the corpse of one to trade. \'\'\'Kings pay fortunes for them\'\'\'. [...] \"The Reshi could not command one of the larkin. This was given to you by the island itself.\" Emphasis mine. It\'s just a different name for spren.




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\n* In Rysm's interlude, she is sent to negotiate a deal for her sick ''babsk''. After she impresses the god of the island with her boldness, she wakes up to find that she has bonded with a spren (though they call it a larkin), meaning she'll be another of the new Knights Radiant. Vstim mentions that the thing he was buying was a corpse of one of the creatures, while hers is the living thing. [[spoiler:Shardblades are dead spren. He was buying a Shardblade]].
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It\'s a creature called a Larkin, not a spren.


* In Rysm's interlude, she is sent to negotiate a deal for her sick ''babsk''. After she impresses the god of the island with her boldness, she wakes up to find that she has bonded with a spren, meaning she'll be another of the new Knights Radiant. Vstim mentions that the thing he was buying was a corpse of one of the creatures, while hers is the living thing. [[spoiler:Shardblades are dead spren. He was buying a Shardblade]].

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* In Rysm's interlude, she is sent to negotiate a deal for her sick ''babsk''. After she impresses the god of the island with her boldness, she wakes up to find that she has bonded with a spren, meaning she'll be another of the new Knights Radiant. Vstim mentions that the thing he was buying was a corpse of one of the creatures, while hers is the living thing. [[spoiler:Shardblades are dead spren. He was buying a Shardblade]].

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* In Rysm's interlude, she is sent to negotiate a deal for her sick ''babsk''. After she impresses the god of the island with her boldness, she wakes up to find that she has bonded with a spren, meaning she'll be another of the new Knights Radiant. Vstim mentions that the thing he was buying was a corpse of one of the creatures, while hers is the living thing. [[spoiler:Shardblades are dead spren. He was buying a Shardblade]].
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* It is mentioned several times that predicting the future is left to the Almighty. [[spoiler:The final vision Dalinar sees shows him a possible future . . . and guess who that voice is that he's been hearing?]]
** And as it turns out, [[spoiler: even the Almighty can't do it very well]].
** Apparently the bearer of a shard called Cultivation is better. What is Cultivation all about? Planting and nurturing things that will come to fruition...in the future.
* Arrows have a habit of conveniently missing Kaladin ''just barely'' during bridge runs, hitting the wood near his hands and head instead. [[spoiler:Keep in mind that he usually carries his money on his person during these runs, and that the spheres always seem to go dun a lot faster than they ought to. Now, how did Reverse Lashing work again?]].

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* It is mentioned several times that predicting the future is left to the Almighty. [[spoiler:The final vision Dalinar sees shows him a possible future . . . and guess who that voice is that he's been hearing?]]
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a shard called Cultivation is better. What is Cultivation all about? Planting and nurturing things that will come to fruition...in the future.
* Arrows have a habit of conveniently missing Kaladin ''just barely'' during bridge runs, hitting the wood near his hands and head instead. [[spoiler:Keep in mind that he usually carries his money on his person during these runs, and that the spheres always seem to go dun a lot faster than they ought to. Now, how did Reverse Lashing work again?]].
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* It is mentioned several times that predicting the future is left to the Almighty. [[spoiler:The final vision Dalinar sees shows him a possible future . . . and guess who that voice is that he's been hearing?]] And as it turns out, [[spoiler: even the Almighty can't do it very well]]. Apparently the bearer of a shard called Cultivation is better. What is Cultivation all about? Planting and nurturing things that will come to fruition...in the future.
* Arrows have a habit of conveniently missing Kaladin ''just barely'' during bridge runs, hitting the wood near his hands and head instead. [[spoiler:Keep in mind that he usually carries his money on his person during these runs, and that the spheres always seem to go dun a lot faster than they ought to. Now, how did Reverse Lashing work again?]].



* In the epilogue Wit mentions that the system of Lighteyed rule, despite seeming so bizzare, was created for perfectly logical reasons. Actual eye color is clearly as poor and indicator of intelligence and leadership quailities on Roshar as on Earth, but what probably happened, was that people remembered the Radiants having eyes that glowed, and are still deferential to bright eyes without remembering the reasons.
** Even more so, it's revealed that if you pick up a Shardblade, your eyes instantly change color to light. It's quite probable that ''all'' lighteyes are the descendants of Radiants and Shardbearers.

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* In the epilogue Wit mentions that the system of Lighteyed rule, despite seeming so bizzare, was created for perfectly logical reasons. Actual eye color is clearly as poor and indicator of intelligence and leadership quailities on Roshar as on Earth, but what probably happened, was that people remembered the Radiants having eyes that glowed, and are still deferential to bright eyes without remembering the reasons.
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reasons. Even more so, it's revealed that if you pick up a Shardblade, your eyes instantly change color to light. It's quite probable that ''all'' lighteyes are the descendants of Radiants and Shardbearers.



* Late in ''Literature/WordsOfRadiance'', Shallan notes that with enough Stormlight, she could survive a spear to the chest without too much difficulty. [[spoiler:That's how Jasnah survived the ambush. She was stabbed through the chest, Shallan Soulcast the ship to water, and Jasnah escaped to Shadesmar to heal]].

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* Late in ''Literature/WordsOfRadiance'', Shallan notes that with enough Stormlight, she could survive a spear to the chest without too much difficulty. [[spoiler:That's how Jasnah survived the ambush. She was stabbed through the chest, Shallan Soulcast the ship to water, and Jasnah escaped to Shadesmar to heal]].
* In the previous book, the Almighty told Dalinar "Odium has killed me." In this book, Syl dislikes Kaladin's raw hatred for Amaram and people like him, [[spoiler:which eventually breaks the bond and kills her]]. Odium is a synonym for hatred.

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* Late in ''Literature/WordsOfRadiance'', Shallan notes that with enough Stormlight, she could survive a spear to the chest without too much difficulty. [[spoiler:That's how Jasnah survived the ambush. She was stabbed through the chest, Shallan Soulcast the ship to water, and Jasnah escaped to Shadesmar to heal]].
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* If Jasnah's research proves correct that [[spoiler: the Parshmen are docile Parshendi, and we know the Parshendi - and, by extension, the Parshmen - have a Borg-style mind connection, all of Roshar is very fucked due to how used people have gotten to having Parshmen servants around to do whatever chores and look after children]].

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* If Jasnah's research proves correct that [[spoiler: the Parshmen are docile Parshendi, and we know the Parshendi - and, by extension, the Parshmen - have a Borg-style mind connection, all of Roshar is very fucked due to how used people have gotten to having Parshmen servants around to do whatever chores and look after children]]. \n In the second book, Jasnah points out that they won't even have to violently rebel (although she assumes that's the plan). All they have to do is [[spoiler:walk off the job, and every country's economy would be completely devastated]].
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** Even more so, it's revealed that if you pick up a Shardblade, your eyes instantly change color to light. It's quite probable that ''all'' lighteyes are the descendants of Radiants and Shardbearers.
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* There are ''ten'' point of view characters in the main story of ''The Way of Kings''. (Kaladin, Dalinar, Adolin, Shallan, Szeth, Gaz, Navani, Cenn, Wit/Hoid, and Teft.) There are six others in the interlude, so add those and it becomes ''sixteen''. And there's one more in the prelude, so seventeen. Brandon put in stealth references to the ArcNumber of this series, the ArcNumber of the entire Cosmere, and the Seventeenth Shard. Nice job.
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* In the epilogue Wit mentions that the system of Lighteyed rule, despite seeming so bizzare, was created for perfectly logical reasons. Actual eye color is clearly as poor and indicator of intelligence and leadership quailities on Roshar as on Earth, but what probably happened, was that people remembered the Radiants having eyes that glowed, and are still deferential to bright eyes without remembering the reasons.
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* Wit/Hoid's story to Kaladin, at first glance, almost seems like a BigLippedAlligatorMoment, until one looks back over the setting itself. The tale shows what happens when people allow unconfirmed belief to rule their actions, and how people can do the most horrible of things because of belief in some greater power that excuses their actions. Three of the four main characters fall victim to this in their own way: Kaladin's inability to get over his own guilt and self-loathing, which convinces him that things are hopeless. Dalinar's belief in what the visions are showing him, which ultimately leads him into the trap during the battle on the Tower, as well as making the mistake of assuming ''The Way of Kings'' was applicable to all of life, and not the creation of a man who had been forced to unify the nations by force so he could implement his ideals. And most importantly, Szeth's strict adherence to Stone Shamanism and carrying out his assassinations at the order of whoever commands him, when all he would need to do to stop ''everything'' from happening would be to simply refuse to follow the orders of whoever holds his oathstone.
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** Apparently the bearer of a shard called Cultivation is better. What is Cultivation all about? Planting and nurturing things that will come to fruition...in the future.
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* If Jasnah's research proves correct that [[spoiler: the Parshmen are docile Parshendi, and we know the Parshendi - and, by extension, the Parshmen - have a Borg-style mind connection, all of Roshar is very fucked due to how used people have gotten to having Parshmen servants around to do whatever chores and look after children].

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* If Jasnah's research proves correct that [[spoiler: the Parshmen are docile Parshendi, and we know the Parshendi - and, by extension, the Parshmen - have a Borg-style mind connection, all of Roshar is very fucked due to how used people have gotten to having Parshmen servants around to do whatever chores and look after children].children]].
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* If Jasnah's research proves correct that [[spoiler: the Parshmen are docile Parshendi, and we know the Parshendi - and, by extension, the Parshmen - have a Borg-style mind connection, all of Roshar is very fucked due to how used people have gotten to having Parshmen servants around to do whatever chores and look after children].

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* It wasn't until I re-read the book (although maybe that means I'm just slow at picking up on these things) that I realized Dalinar had the perfect way to remove any suspicion that he tried to get Elhokar killed during the chasmfiend hunt, namely that, during said chasmfiend hunt, Dalinar ''saved Elhokar's life!'' If Dalinar had wanted Elhokar dead, he could have just let the chasmfiend kill him; instead he leapt in front of the creature's giant claw and actually caught it between his arms, saving the king's life. Why neither Dalinar, Adolin, Elhokar, or Sadeas ever brought up this point is a mystery to me.
** Elhokar's paranoid enough that he wouldn't take that as proof, and Dalinar, Adolin, and Sadeas all know him well enough to know that. Remember what Dalinar had to put him through at the end of the novel to convince him?
** I believe the reason was that they thought it was a gambit by Dalinar to get Elhokar to trust him, though I can't remember if this was explicitly stated in the text or something that I thought up on my own.

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* It wasn't until I re-read On [[Headscratchers/TheStormlightArchive the book (although maybe that means I'm just slow at picking up on these things) that I realized Dalinar had the perfect way to remove any suspicion that he tried to get Elhokar killed during the chasmfiend hunt, namely that, during said chasmfiend hunt, Dalinar ''saved Elhokar's life!'' If Dalinar had wanted Elhokar dead, he could have just let the chasmfiend kill him; instead he leapt in front of the creature's giant claw and actually caught it between his arms, saving the king's life. Why neither Dalinar, Adolin, Elhokar, or Sadeas ever brought up this point is a mystery to me.
** Elhokar's paranoid enough that he wouldn't take that as proof, and Dalinar, Adolin, and Sadeas all know him well enough to know that. Remember what Dalinar had to put him through at the end of the novel to convince him?
** I believe the reason was that they thought it was a gambit by Dalinar to get Elhokar to trust him, though I can't remember if this was explicitly stated in the text or something that I thought up on my own.
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Technically, those are people who are dying from disease or otherwise. They\'re just noting the times the messages were recorded before calling the time of death.


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* Remember all of the chapter headings with the death throes? This troper wondered continuously how they knew specifically how far away from death they were. Turns out that [[spoiler:King Taravangian is systematically killing hundreds of people to hear those messages.]]
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* At one point, the King's Wit talks to Dalinar and mentions how gibberish words are often the sounds of other words. Doesn't seem too important. [[spoiler: then we find out that the "gibberish" that Dalinar speaks during his visions are actual words, only in an ancient dead language]]

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** Arrows have a habit of conveniently missing Kaladin ''just barely'' during bridge runs, hitting the wood near his hands and head instead. [[spoiler:Keep in mind that he usually carries his money on his person during these runs, and that the spheres always seem to go dun a lot faster than they ought to. Now, how did Reverse Lashing work again?]].
*** Does it count as FridgeLogic if it's explicitly explained in the text?
*** I say it is if you realize that ''before'' it is revealed. And given the length of the book, this is entirely possible.
*** It is so strongly suggested, even before it gets explicitly explained, that I don't think this counts. It is essentially revealed to the reader when the [[spoiler: spheres start going dun]]. The later revelation is for the characters, not the reader.
*** YMMV of course, but I don't think think it was all ''that'' obvious. Ok, it's obvious in retrospect, but not the first time through.

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** * Arrows have a habit of conveniently missing Kaladin ''just barely'' during bridge runs, hitting the wood near his hands and head instead. [[spoiler:Keep in mind that he usually carries his money on his person during these runs, and that the spheres always seem to go dun a lot faster than they ought to. Now, how did Reverse Lashing work again?]].
*** Does it count as FridgeLogic if it's explicitly explained in the text?
*** I say it is if you realize that ''before'' it is revealed. And given the length of the book, this is entirely possible.
*** It is so strongly suggested, even before it gets explicitly explained, that I don't think this counts. It is essentially revealed to the reader when the [[spoiler: spheres start going dun]]. The later revelation is for the characters, not the reader.
*** YMMV of course, but I don't think think it was all ''that'' obvious. Ok, it's obvious in retrospect, but not the first time through.
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* FridgeBrilliance: It is mentioned several times that predicting the future is left to the Almighty. [[spoiler:The final vision Dalinar sees shows him a possible future . . . and guess who that voice is that he's been hearing?]]

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* FridgeBrilliance: It is mentioned several times that predicting the future is left to the Almighty. [[spoiler:The final vision Dalinar sees shows him a possible future . . . and guess who that voice is that he's been hearing?]]




* FridgeLogic - It wasn't until I re-read the book (although maybe that means I'm just slow at picking up on these things) that I realized Dalinar had the perfect way to remove any suspicion that he tried to get Elhokar killed during the chasmfiend hunt, namely that, during said chasmfiend hunt, Dalinar ''saved Elhokar's life!'' If Dalinar had wanted Elhokar dead, he could have just let the chasmfiend kill him; instead he leapt in front of the creature's giant claw and actually caught it between his arms, saving the king's life. Why neither Dalinar, Adolin, Elhokar, or Sadeas ever brought up this point is a mystery to me.

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\n* FridgeLogic - Alethi gender roles seem odd at first. Okay, so men are warriors...and shopkeepers? And diplomats? While women are artists and scholars? How do those go together? However, it makes perfect sense: The men are in charge of dealing with other people, while the women are in charge of the more internal roles.

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It wasn't until I re-read the book (although maybe that means I'm just slow at picking up on these things) that I realized Dalinar had the perfect way to remove any suspicion that he tried to get Elhokar killed during the chasmfiend hunt, namely that, during said chasmfiend hunt, Dalinar ''saved Elhokar's life!'' If Dalinar had wanted Elhokar dead, he could have just let the chasmfiend kill him; instead he leapt in front of the creature's giant claw and actually caught it between his arms, saving the king's life. Why neither Dalinar, Adolin, Elhokar, or Sadeas ever brought up this point is a mystery to me.



* FridgeHorror - Remember all of the chapter headings with the death throes? This troper wondered continuously how they knew specifically how far away from death they were. Turns out that [[spoiler:King Taravangian is systematically killing hundreds of people to hear those messages.]]

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* FridgeHorror - Remember all of the chapter headings with the death throes? This troper wondered continuously how they knew specifically how far away from death they were. Turns out that [[spoiler:King Taravangian is systematically killing hundreds of people to hear those messages.]]
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** I believe the reason was that they thought it was a gambit by Dalinar to get Elhokar to trust him, though I can't remember if this was explicitly stated in the text or something that I thought up on my own.
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* FridgeHorror - Remember all of the chapter headings with the death throes? This troper wondered continuously how they knew specifically how far away from death they were. Turns out that [[spoiler:King Taravangian is systematically killing hundreds of people to hear those messages.]]
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** Elhokar's paranoid enough that he wouldn't take that as proof, and Dalinar, Adolin, and Sadeas all know him well enough to know that. Remember what Dalinar had to put him through at the end of the novel to convince him?
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*FridgeLogic - It wasn't until I re-read the book (although maybe that means I'm just slow at picking up on these things) that I realized Dalinar had the perfect way to remove any suspicion that he tried to get Elhokar killed during the chasmfiend hunt, namely that, during said chasmfiend hunt, Dalinar ''saved Elhokar's life!'' If Dalinar had wanted Elhokar dead, he could have just let the chasmfiend kill him; instead he leapt in front of the creature's giant claw and actually caught it between his arms, saving the king's life. Why neither Dalinar, Adolin, Elhokar, or Sadeas ever brought up this point is a mystery to me.

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*** It is so strongly suggested, even before it gets explicitly explained, that I don't think this counts. It is essentially revealed to the reader when the [[spoiler: shards start going dun]]. The later revelation is for the characters, not the reader.

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*** It is so strongly suggested, even before it gets explicitly explained, that I don't think this counts. It is essentially revealed to the reader when the [[spoiler: shards spheres start going dun]]. The later revelation is for the characters, not the reader.reader.
*** YMMV of course, but I don't think think it was all ''that'' obvious. Ok, it's obvious in retrospect, but not the first time through.
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*** It is so strongly suggested, even before it gets explicitly explained, that I don't think this counts. It is essentially revealed to the reader when the [[shards start going dun]]. The later revelation is for the characters, not the reader.

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*** It is so strongly suggested, even before it gets explicitly explained, that I don't think this counts. It is essentially revealed to the reader when the [[shards [[spoiler: shards start going dun]]. The later revelation is for the characters, not the reader.
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*** It is so strongly suggested, even before it gets explicitly explained, that I don't think this counts. It is essentially revealed to the reader when the [[shards start going dun]]. The later revelation is for the characters, not the reader.
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***I say it is if you realize that ''before'' it is revealed. And given the length of the book, this is entirely possible.
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*** Does it count as FridgeLogic if it's explicitly explained in the text?

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