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* [[KickTheSonOfABitch Your mileage may ''definitely'' vary on whether or not this is horror]], but the former Gilead will see the mother of all backlashes. The former Commanders, including Fred Waterford, are likely to be executed. Serena and the Aunts will most likely be unable to go in public for the rest of their lives. If Christianity isn't outright outlawed, churches are going to be watched very closely.

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* [[KickTheSonOfABitch Your mileage may ''definitely'' ' 'definitely' ' vary on whether or not this is horror]], but the former Gilead will see the mother of all backlashes. The former Commanders, including Fred Waterford, are likely to be executed. Serena and the Aunts will most likely be unable to go in public for the rest of their lives. If Christianity isn't outright outlawed, churches are going to be watched very closely.



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* [[KickTheSonOfABitch Your mileage may ''definitely'' vary on whether or not this is horror]], but the former Gilead will see the mother of all backlashes. The former Commanders, including Fred Waterford, are likely to be executed. Serena and the Aunts will most likely be unable to go in public for the rest of their lives. If Christianity isn't outright outlawed, churches are going to be watched very closely.


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**** For starters, 95 percent of one of the two dominant political parties in America wouldn't.


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**** Militaries are surprisingly durable during times of crisis and are trained to stay together; e.g, at the end of the Roman Empire, the Roman army was essentially the only organ of the empire still functioning.


* It seems weird that both Janine and June happened to have girls. However, why wouldn't they? June is separated from her husband and child, her mother was executed, and she is under constant stress to produce a baby in a ritualized rape ceremony each month. When she has to conceive with Nick, it is first made under duress. Janine, meanwhile, is mentally broken, was Gaslighted, and has the mental maturity of a toddler. The body of a woman will reject male sperm when under stress, and both Janine and June were clearly under stress.


*** [[https://the-handmaids-tale.fandom.com/wiki/Geography_of_Gilead?file=Gilead_map_%281%29.jpg Promotional maps]] for the TV show seem to indicate a few things. California and the Pacific States, the Deep South (like, the Caribbean coastline and Florida), northern Michigan and its Upper Peninsula, and the Canadian border (barring Maine and New York) are in the hands of Loyalists. The Southwest, Rocky Mountains, and the central United States (Flyover Country) are the colonies or Disputed territories- implying widespread fighting and nuclear meltdowns/detonations. Gilead as we see it on the show is basically New England (minus New Hampshire and Vermont), the Rustbelt, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Illinois. Everything else is contested in one way or another. This also lacks the nuance of modern insurgency warfare. The United States "controlled" Iraq during the Second Gulf War if you ONLY looked at a map and didn't turn on the news. Basically we're seeing the state of the States from the most stable and secure part of Gilead. If the show branches out or continues, it will likely show more about the state of the States.

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*** [[https://the-handmaids-tale.fandom.com/wiki/Geography_of_Gilead?file=Gilead_map_%281%29.jpg Promotional maps]] for the TV show seem to indicate a few things. California and the Pacific States, the Deep South (like, the Caribbean coastline and Florida), northern Michigan and its Upper Peninsula, and the Canadian border (barring Maine and New York) are in the hands of Loyalists. The Southwest, Rocky Mountains, and the central United States (Flyover Country) are the colonies or Disputed territories- implying widespread fighting and nuclear meltdowns/detonations. Gilead as we see it on the show is basically New England (minus New Hampshire and Vermont), the Rustbelt, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Illinois. Everything else is contested in one way or another. This also lacks the nuance of modern insurgency warfare. The United States "controlled" Iraq during the Second Gulf War if you ONLY looked at a map and didn't turn on the news. Basically we're seeing the state of the States from the most stable and secure part of Gilead. If the show branches out or continues, it will likely show more about the state of the States.States.
* The Canadian government inviting the Waterfords to negotiations in Toronto, rather than the capital Ottawa, at first comes off as odd but Canada wants to deal pragmatically and quietly with the Gileadan regime. If they had hosted the Waterfords in Ottawa it likely would have drawn the ire of the rest of the international community.
** It also could have been another way to purposely show Canada does not actually approve of their actions. Not only did Canada assign lower-ranking civil servants who represented groups that Gilead oppresses (women and LGBT), they made sure Fred and Serena were hundreds of miles from the Prime Minister and rest of Canada's government.
** From a production standpoint it also makes sense since the show is filmed in Toronto.


** The problem is that the aftermath is depicted as a ''little'' too clean cut. Truthfully America would be a constant warzone. like the InUniverse, example Chicago, but more wide spread. It's easy to buy an American Coup happening given the right circumstances. The problem is that it's hard to believe that Giliad would have been created so cleanly without turning into an Americanized version of the aforementioned Bosnia or Syria.

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** The problem is that the aftermath is depicted as a ''little'' too clean cut. Truthfully America would be a constant warzone. like the InUniverse, example Chicago, but more wide spread. It's easy to buy an American Coup happening given the right circumstances. The problem is that it's hard to believe that Giliad would have been created so cleanly without turning into an Americanized version of the aforementioned Bosnia or Syria.Syria.
*** [[https://the-handmaids-tale.fandom.com/wiki/Geography_of_Gilead?file=Gilead_map_%281%29.jpg Promotional maps]] for the TV show seem to indicate a few things. California and the Pacific States, the Deep South (like, the Caribbean coastline and Florida), northern Michigan and its Upper Peninsula, and the Canadian border (barring Maine and New York) are in the hands of Loyalists. The Southwest, Rocky Mountains, and the central United States (Flyover Country) are the colonies or Disputed territories- implying widespread fighting and nuclear meltdowns/detonations. Gilead as we see it on the show is basically New England (minus New Hampshire and Vermont), the Rustbelt, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Illinois. Everything else is contested in one way or another. This also lacks the nuance of modern insurgency warfare. The United States "controlled" Iraq during the Second Gulf War if you ONLY looked at a map and didn't turn on the news. Basically we're seeing the state of the States from the most stable and secure part of Gilead. If the show branches out or continues, it will likely show more about the state of the States.

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*** Not necessarily. The regime may be counting on a code of masculine silence to keep their troops in line. In a toxic patriarchal culture, a man will cut off his own hand before admitting that he doesn't have sex regularly or is an "incel".


** Even worse, imagine that three weeks before the coup, you were sent out of the US for official business, (EG: As a diplomat, or even as a teacher)and all of a sudden you are cut off from all communications with your loved ones/friends, you have no idea what's happening, and when news does get out, you are left to imagine the worst has happened. Same goes vis-versa with your loved ones.



** Eden is so scarily naïve and her mother has engrained into her that her only purpose is to care for the home, her husband, and to bear children. Fun reminder that she is only ''fifteen''.

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** Eden is so scarily naïve naï ve and her mother has engrained into her that her only purpose is to care for the home, her husband, and to bear children. Fun A fun reminder that she is only ''fifteen''.

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*** This is not quite true if they are being taught by Aunts (who are exempt from the no-reading/no-writing policy), though one could hardly imagine they are read anything that conflicts with Gilead's policies.



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* Alma's son is mentioned to be five years old in the present day. Since Gilead's regime is established as being five years old, this would mean that she has only recently given birth when her son was taken from her.

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** They've started laying seeds of this element from the books in late Season 3. Commanders are mentioned not wanting to have Handmaids "of color" to the Aunts. Time will tell if they explore this further.


-->'''Condoleeza Rice''': "I believe [the memo] said 'Bin-Laden determined to attack the U.S.?'"

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-->'''Condoleeza Rice''': "I believe [the memo] said 'Bin-Laden determined to attack the U.S.?'"?'"
**The problem is that the aftermath is depicted as a ''little'' too clean cut. Truthfully America would be a constant warzone. like the InUniverse, example Chicago, but more wide spread. It's easy to buy an American Coup happening given the right circumstances. The problem is that it's hard to believe that Giliad would have been created so cleanly without turning into an Americanized version of the aforementioned Bosnia or Syria.


*** Still doesn't make since. At the very least there would be extreme pockets of resistance and fighting militarily. At best America would have turned into Bosnia, or ''worse''... Syria. There's no way a coup would be that clean. Gilead's government isn't all that steady, but its steadier than it has any reason to be realistically.

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*** Still doesn't make since.sense. At the very least there would be extreme pockets of resistance and fighting militarily. At best America would have turned into Bosnia, or ''worse''... Syria. There's no way a coup would be that clean. Gilead's government isn't all that steady, but its steadier than it has any reason to be realistically.

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*** Still doesn't make since. At the very least there would be extreme pockets of resistance and fighting militarily. At best America would have turned into Bosnia, or ''worse''... Syria. There's no way a coup would be that clean. Gilead's government isn't all that steady, but its steadier than it has any reason to be realistically.


** June's mother is shown definitely pushin her daughter to do "the right thing" rather than "as she pleased". She's also not to enthusiastic about the latter's relationship with Luke ("waste of energy, better things to do") so it's hard to imagine that she'd approve of her daughter getting caught into an adultery-related drama.

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** June's mother is shown definitely pushin pushing her daughter to do "the right thing" rather than "as she pleased". She's also not to too enthusiastic about the latter's relationship with Luke ("waste of energy, better things to do") so it's hard to imagine that she'd approve of her daughter getting caught into an in any adultery-related drama.


** This could go along with the idea they don't let women read the Bible so they don't realize their laws are just a QuoteMine blender. Yes, Bilhah and Zilphah being "handmaids" in our sense, may seem like they were trusted companions and confidants, but really they were slaves, and Hammurabi's Code dictated that if you couldn't get pregnant, you had your husband impregnate the slave and raise the child for your own. Hagar is likely never brought up because of the full story: Sarah was impatient that God wouldn't give her a child, so she had Abraham sleep with (ie rape) her handmaid, but grew jealous and ran the pregnant girl out of town, but she returned. After the baby was born, she ran the child and the mother into the desert to die, but Hagar only returned because an angel commanded it. And when Isaac was born, he and his teenaged brother, Ishmael argued often. A Handmaid, if permitted to read, could bring this tale up as a reason for why the Handmaid system is flawed, which Gilead certainly wouldn't want.



* I viewed it as bad writing in Season 2 how Fred went from a somewhat complicated character in Season 1 to a one-dimensional monster and a plot device in Season 2. However, the Season 1 finale ended with his best friend being harshly punished for adultery, and only being saved from death because of the DoubleStandard of his position, compared to the woman he had an affair with. Fred himself has MANY hypocrisies that could probably lead to him losing more than just his left arm; Warren's amputation and the birth of his first child was a wake-up call that it was time to hide his sins. In Season 2 alone, his pregnant Handmaid started it off by refusing to stone said woman and escaped her position for 92 days, almost succeeding in getting out of Gilead. He became a [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask man wearing the mask of a Commander]] to [[NiceJobFixingItVillain avoid getting in trouble again]].

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* I viewed it as bad writing in Season 2 how Fred went from a somewhat complicated character in Season 1 to a one-dimensional monster and a plot device in Season 2. However, the Season 1 finale ended with his best friend being harshly punished for adultery, and only being saved from death because of the DoubleStandard of his position, compared to the woman he had an affair with. Fred himself has MANY hypocrisies that could probably lead to him losing more than just his left arm; Warren's amputation and the birth of his first child was a wake-up call that it was time to hide his sins. In Season 2 alone, his pregnant Handmaid started it off by refusing to stone said woman and escaped her position for 92 days, almost succeeding in getting out of Gilead. He became a [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask man wearing the mask of a Commander]] to [[NiceJobFixingItVillain to avoid getting in trouble again]].

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