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* Consider the disasters that we were told happened as a result of Eleanor's selfish behavior: She stole shrimp, so shrimp fell from the sky. She cracked a joke about Ariana Grande, so Ariana Grande started playing in the neighborhoods. She shirked garbage duty and garbage fell from the sky. She smashed up cake, so a sinkhole opened. Notice: TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers. The first three results were all obviously linked to some action that Eleanor took, but it's hard to see how destroying cake relates to a sinkhole opening until one realises the connection can be justified in that Eleanor punched a hole down the middle of the cake, so a hole opened up in the middle of the restaurant to ruin the party.

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* Consider the disasters that we were told happened as a result of Eleanor's selfish behavior: She stole shrimp, so shrimp fell from the sky. She cracked a joke about Ariana Grande, so Ariana Grande started playing in the neighborhoods. She shirked garbage duty and garbage fell from the sky. She smashed up cake, so a sinkhole opened. Notice: TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers. The first three results were all obviously linked to some action that Eleanor took, but it's hard to see how destroying cake relates to a sinkhole opening until one realises the connection can be justified in that Eleanor punched a hole down the middle of the cake, so a hole opened up in the middle of the restaurant to ruin the party.
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** In fact, both Eleanor and Chidi stumbled onto the flaw in the point system while they were alive, but had the exact opposite extreme reaction. When Eleanor's boyfriend wanted to boycott a sandwich place because the owner was a bad person, Eleanor pointed out that it's impossible to go through life without ever contributing to some kind of evil, so why bother trying. Chidi on the other hand, obsessed over the long-term consequences of every little decision in an attempt to minimize the harm he contributed to, which only caused more suffering to the people in his life.
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* Derek being given to Mindy perfectly fits the nature of the Medium Place. She has a guy who's willing to do any sexual thing she wants, but the downside is that he's a massive {{Cloudcuckoolander}} and has wind chimes instead of a penis.

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* Derek being given to Mindy perfectly fits the nature of the Medium Place. She has a guy who's willing to do any sexual thing she wants, but the only downside is being that he's a massive {{Cloudcuckoolander}} and has wind chimes instead of a penis.
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* Derek being given to Mindy perfectly fits the nature of the Medium Place. She has a guy who's willing to do any sexual thing she wants, but the downside is that he's a massive {{Cloudcuckoolander}} and has wind chimes instead of a penis.
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* Even after the new judging system is implemented and the Bad Place demons don't get to directly torture humans anymore with butthole spiders and four-headed flying bears, they'll still have a lot of suffering to enjoy--that of genuinely bad people in a SelfInflictedHell who are trying to get into the Good Place, but are either improving very slowly or not at all. The last time we see Brent, he's on attempt #15,724, trying to understand why it's bad to tell a woman to smile.

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* Even after the new judging system is implemented and the Bad Place demons don't get to directly torture humans anymore with butthole spiders and four-headed flying bears, they'll still have get to enjoy a lot of suffering to enjoy--that suffering--that of genuinely bad people in a SelfInflictedHell who are trying to get into the Good Place, but are either improving very slowly or not at all. The last time we see Brent, he's on attempt #15,724, trying to understand why it's bad to tell a woman to smile.
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* Even after the new judging system is implemented and the Bad Place demons don't get to directly torture humans anymore, they'll still have a lot of suffering to enjoy--that of genuinely bad people in a SelfInflictedHell who are trying to get into the Good Place, but are either improving very slowly or not at all. The last time we see Brent, he's on attempt #15,724, trying to understand why it's bad to tell a woman to smile.

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* Even after the new judging system is implemented and the Bad Place demons don't get to directly torture humans anymore, anymore with butthole spiders and four-headed flying bears, they'll still have a lot of suffering to enjoy--that of genuinely bad people in a SelfInflictedHell who are trying to get into the Good Place, but are either improving very slowly or not at all. The last time we see Brent, he's on attempt #15,724, trying to understand why it's bad to tell a woman to smile.

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* Michael making sure to introduce Tahani and "Jianyu" to Eleanor and Chidi right away is actually a brilliant bit of torture, by showing them a (seemingly) perfect couple and thus making both of them jealous and insecure.

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* Michael making sure to introduce Tahani and "Jianyu" to Eleanor and Chidi right away is actually a brilliant bit of torture, by showing them a (seemingly) perfect couple and thus making both of them jealous and insecure. Having all of the other demons portray absolutely perfect couples also puts more stress on the four humans.



** And of course, the Bad Place would have "Fake" Eleanor's file, so they would know how much it hurts her to see someone who was worse off than herself still being a good person.



* Michael doesn't seem to know that Janet regenerates after she "dies". This could be just him pretending not to know to make the others feel more guilty, but it also makes sense if you realize bad!Janet probably wouldn't have a kill switch, since it's only there in case good!Janet goes bad. Therefore, Michael, a bad place architect, probably never learned about what would happen if Janet ''were'' to die, like an actual good place architect likely would've.

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* Michael doesn't seem to know that Janet regenerates after she "dies". This could be just him pretending not to know to make the others feel more guilty, but it also makes sense if you realize bad!Janet probably wouldn't have a kill switch, since it's only there in case good!Janet goes bad. Therefore, Michael, a bad place architect, probably never learned about what would happen if Janet ''were'' to die, like an actual good place Good Place architect likely would've.




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* Michael tells Eleanor that if they can't prove that she belongs in the "Good" Place, she'll spend eternity with "murderers and arsonists and people who take off their shoes ''and'' socks on commercial airlines!" At the time, it's funny. However, we later learn that people who do little things like that are just as likely to be damned as murderers and arsonists.
** That whole scene is also brilliant foreshadowing, because he asks her just as many questions about things like has she ever owned a vanity license plate, reheated fish in an office microwave, been a fan of "The Bachelor," etc as he does about actual crimes like sexual harassment, arson, murder, etc. It foreshadows that someone can live a perfectly ethical life, but still be sent to the Bad Place for little things which make others' lives miserable (or just for enjoying a trashy TV show).



** We see Michael trying to match Eleanor with Chidi, Tahani, lots of different demons, and a dog. But we neevr see him trying to match her with Jason--because both of them would quickly realize that the other person doesn't belong in the Good Place as well, and from there it would be a short hop to figuring out they're not actually in the Good Place at all.
*** Or he simply realized that Eleanor and Jason would be the worst possible combination because they'd never out each other and could just hide in their house and not actually torture each other (EDM aside; Eleanor could just ask Janet for sound-proofing for Jason's Bud-Hole).

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** We see Michael trying to match Eleanor with Chidi, Tahani, lots of different demons, and a dog. But we neevr never see him trying to match her with Jason--because both of them would quickly realize that the other person doesn't belong in the Good Place as well, and from there it would be a short hop to figuring out they're not actually in the Good Place at all.
*** Or And/or he simply realized that Eleanor and Jason would be the worst possible combination because they'd never out each other and could just hide in their house and not actually torture each other (EDM aside; Eleanor could just ask Janet for sound-proofing for Jason's Bud-Hole).



** The characters who do (and don't) figure out that they're in the Bad Place make perfect sense. Eleanor, for all her flaws, is very self-aware (in the very first episode she admits to being a trashbag from Arizona), and so she's the most willing to question why she supposedly belongs in the Good Place. The character with the next amount of self-awareness is Jason, who also figures out that they're in the Bad Place at least twice. Chidi never realizes how much his indecisiveness hurts himself and others, so he never figures out that he's in the Bad Place during the first go-around (the second time, when Eleanor was helping to run it, they almost had to spoon-feed it to him, and he'd also matured a fair amount, plus he'd been hanging out with Simone). However, he at least does realize that he has flaws, even if he blames it on drinking the wrong kind of milk. Tahani has the least amount of self-awareness of all of them, so she never figured out that she was in the Bad Place--indeed, she never even understood why she ought to be there until Michael spelled it out in Season Two.

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** The characters who do (and don't) figure out that they're in the Bad Place make perfect sense. Eleanor, for all her flaws, is very self-aware (in the very first episode she admits to being a trashbag from Arizona), and so she's the most willing to question why she supposedly belongs in the Good Place. The character with the next amount of self-awareness is Jason, who also figures out that they're in the Bad Place at least twice. For all his ditziness, he does know his own strengths and weaknesses fairly well. Chidi never realizes how much his indecisiveness hurts himself and others, so he never figures out that he's in the Bad Place during the first go-around (the second time, when Eleanor was helping to run it, they almost had to spoon-feed it to him, and he'd also matured a fair amount, plus he'd been hanging out with Simone). However, he at least does realize that he has flaws, even if he blames it on drinking the wrong kind of milk. Tahani has the least amount of self-awareness of all of them, so she never figured out that she was in the Bad Place--indeed, she never even understood why she ought to be there until Michael spelled it out in Season Two.



* It's a RunningGag that every time Chidi finds out he's in the Bad Place, he figures that he ended up there because he drank almond milk. It's funny because it demonstrates Chidi's lack of self-awareness, in that he would overlook a lifetime of hurting everyone in his life with his indecisiveness and blame his eternal damnation on something as minor as his choice of milk. And it's brilliant because without realizing it, Chidi instinctively figured out the flaw in the point system, as it turns out the unintended consequences of something as minor as drinking milk really ''can'' get you tortured for eternity.

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** Not only that, but Shawn has a very dim view of humans--he may have thought the humans would actually go for it.
* It's a RunningGag that every time Chidi finds out he's in the Bad Place, he figures that he ended up there because he drank almond milk. It's funny because it demonstrates Chidi's lack of self-awareness, in that he would overlook a lifetime of hurting everyone in his life with his indecisiveness and blame his eternal damnation on something as minor as his choice of milk. And it's brilliant because without realizing it, Chidi instinctively figured out the flaw in the point system, as it turns out the unintended consequences of something as minor as drinking the wrong kind of milk really ''can'' get you tortured for eternity.



* The other residents. Michael has unintentionally made them suffer through their own Bad Place by forcing them to act like good people. No wonder they eventually mutiny. It may even mean that, ironies of ironies, the Bad Placers are their own SpannerInTheWorks.

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* The other residents. Michael has unintentionally made them suffer through their own Bad Place by forcing them to act like good people. No wonder they eventually mutiny. It may even mean that, ironies of ironies, the Bad Placers are their own SpannerInTheWorks. Once again, hell is other people.



* The way Jason is tortured(he's given the ultimate man cave but can't share it with anyone) is subtly reminiscent of the joke of the priest who skips Sunday service to play golf and plays the best game of his life. (St Peter asks God why he doesn't do anything to stop him and God replies "Who's he going to tell?")

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* The way Jason is tortured(he's tortured (he's given the ultimate man cave but can't share it with anyone) is subtly reminiscent of the joke of the priest who skips Sunday service to play golf and plays the best game of his life. (St Peter asks God why he doesn't do anything to stop him and God replies "Who's he going to tell?")
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** Even most people who are not genuinely bad would have to endure some suffering. No one is blameless, but all of us--even Brent--can improve given time and effort.
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* Even after the new judging system is implemented and the Bad Place demons don't get to directly torture humans anymore, they'll still have a lot of suffering to enjoy--that of genuinely bad people who are trying to get into the Good Place but are either improving very slowly or not at all. The last time we see Brent, he's on attempt #15,724, trying to understand why it's bad to tell a woman to smile.

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* Even after the new judging system is implemented and the Bad Place demons don't get to directly torture humans anymore, they'll still have a lot of suffering to enjoy--that of genuinely bad people in a SelfInflictedHell who are trying to get into the Good Place Place, but are either improving very slowly or not at all. The last time we see Brent, he's on attempt #15,724, trying to understand why it's bad to tell a woman to smile.
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** Then why the hell did Shawn allow it? He's ''bored''. Torturing people sucks and he hates his existence. Something, ''anything'' to change the status quo is welcome.
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*** Or he simply realized that Eleanor and Jason would be the worst possible combination because they'd never out each other and could just hide in their house and not actually torture each other (EDM aside; Eleanor could just ask Janet for sound-proofing for Jason's Bud-Hole).

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* Tahani looking at the list of neighborhood rankings, while seemingly just a plot device to establish her insecurity, actually echoes on throughout the show:
** In later stories, we see that the orthography used in Good (and presumably Bad) Place documents is some kind of special script used by the beings who run them, and we also see that some important files are password-protected (which you would think a top-secret manual would definitely be). But the list is in plain old English and left conveniently around for Tahani to look at.
** At the end of the episode, Michael tells Tahani that the point value doesn't change after death. As it happens, this is a very important plot device in later seasons as the main characters try to prove that people can improve after death.
*** That being said, Tahani's point value wouldn't improve much anyway since she's trying to improve herself for selfish reasons.
** Michael claims he has some unfinished song lyrics on there. While this is of course a lie, at the very end of the show we do, in fact, see him working on some song lyrics!
** Another bit of foreshadowing is that Jianyu's name is near the very top of the list, while Tahani's is at the very bottom. One might wonder how it's possible that a Buddhist monk could have accrued so many more points than a good-hearted philanthropist. The answer? Of course he didn't. That was just yet another bit of torture from Michael by once again making Tahani feel inferior, not just to almost everyone in the neighborhood, but specifically to her soulmate.



** There are two hints of Michael's in particular disdain for Glenn in Season 1. The first is that at the restaurant, Michael asks the audience who wants to speak first, clearly aiming to torture Eleanor, Chidi, and Jason. But instead Glenn stands up, and Michael can very clearly be seeing swallowing his own words before telling Glenn to go ahead--no doubt he was just about to say "Shut up, Glenn" before remembering himself. The second is that when Tahani looks at the rankings, she's second to last on the list. Who's at the very bottom? Glenn.



** In addition, ridiculous things like having a Lord of the Rings themed wedding or being born in France can take away points. While it might make sense from the point of view of a supernatural being who does things ForTheLulz, it's also immensely cruel to every Tolkien fan, French person, etc. A supernatural being with no empathy for humans would never consider how unfair it is that just by ''being born and growing up in a particular country'' or having a themed wedding, you can doom yourself to eternal punishment. Especially since these things have no particular moral value--it's not as if a human can automatically know that these things lose points, in the same way most humans understand murder, theft, etc to be bad.

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** In addition, ridiculous things like having a Lord of the Rings themed wedding or being born in France can take away points. While it might make sense from the point of view of a supernatural being who does things ForTheLulz, it's also immensely cruel to every Tolkien fan, French person, etc. A supernatural being with no empathy for humans would never consider how unfair it is that just by ''being born and growing up in a particular country'' or having a themed wedding, you can doom yourself to eternal punishment. Especially since these things have no particular moral value--it's not as if a human can automatically know that these things lose points, in the same way most humans understand murder, theft, etc to be bad. Indeed, a
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* One of the apparently unsuccessful plans to beat Micheal was "convince him he's the one in the Bad Place", but it was actually true: [[SmugSnake Micheal began the series confident that his new methods would revolutionize torture and lead to the humans keeping each other miserable]], only to lose control of the experiment when they kept coming together, all while piling on the lies to [[BadBoss Shawn]] and dealing with [[TheStarscream Vicky]] in the process, leading to him stewing in frustration and anxiety. And much like the humans, the stress and misery of the experiment ends up triggering his own CharacterDevelopment.

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* One of the apparently unsuccessful plans to beat Micheal Michael was "convince him he's the one in the Bad Place", but it was actually true: [[SmugSnake Micheal Michael began the series confident that his new methods would revolutionize torture and lead to the humans keeping each other miserable]], only to lose control of the experiment when they kept coming together, all while piling on the lies to [[BadBoss Shawn]] and dealing with [[TheStarscream Vicky]] in the process, leading to him stewing in frustration and anxiety. And much like the humans, the stress and misery of the experiment ends up triggering his own CharacterDevelopment.



* It's honestly not so surprising the answer was already there from the beginning. The whole show goes on to show how people can change and season 1 shows just how effective Micheal's neighborhood was at torturing souls. Of course the answer to how to fix the afterlife system is to just continue doing what they started.

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* It's honestly not so surprising the answer was already there from the beginning. The whole show goes on to show how people can change and season 1 shows just how effective Micheal's Michael's neighborhood was at torturing souls. Of course the answer to how to fix the afterlife system is to just continue doing what they started.



* The fact that both people from the Good and Bad Places seem to have no sense of mortal time is total FridgeBrilliance. The demons put up with roughly 300 years' worth of Michael's attempts to change the neighborhood before they went on strike, while the Good Place Committee believes that doing something in 400 years is urgent. The Good Place Committee and Accounting aren't worried by the fact that no one's gone upstairs in 521 years. Given that Michael and Gen are the age of the universe, and that even junior demons have been torturing people for a thousand years, it's a lot more understandable how a few centuries isn't such a big deal to beings like them. And that's not even counting the TimeyWimeyBall that's Jearimy Bearimy!

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* The fact that both people from the Good and Bad Places seem to have no sense of mortal time is total FridgeBrilliance. The demons put up with roughly 300 years' worth of Michael's attempts to change the neighborhood before they went on strike, while the Good Place Committee believes that doing something in 400 years is urgent. The Good Place Committee and Accounting aren't worried by the fact that no one's gone upstairs in 521 years. Given that Michael and Gen are the age of the universe, and that even junior demons have been torturing people for a thousand years, it's a lot more understandable how a few centuries isn't such a big deal to beings like them. And that's not even counting the TimeyWimeyBall that's Jearimy Jeremy Bearimy!



* Here's a big one. Remember how many genocides there were during the 20th century? Remember all the Nazi concentration camps in particular? So you could spend a few years in the camps, die there...and then immediately go to the Bad Place. And spend the next ''several decades'' (or possibly even longer, depending on how exactly Jearimy Bearimy works down there) in the Bad Place. Being tortured for "crimes" you didn't even know were bad because the points system is so forked up. '''Yeesh.'''

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* Here's a big one. Remember how many genocides there were during the 20th century? Remember all the Nazi concentration camps in particular? So you could spend a few years in the camps, die there...and then immediately go to the Bad Place. And spend the next ''several decades'' (or possibly even longer, depending on how exactly Jearimy Jeremy Bearimy works down there) in the Bad Place. Being tortured for "crimes" you didn't even know were bad because the points system is so forked up. '''Yeesh.'''
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** Also, the one primarily using that term is ''Michael himself.'' At first it was as a shorthand for "Bad Place inhabitants," but later on it may have become a way of distancing himself from them.
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* Michael claims that the inhabitants of The Bad Place consider the term "Demon" to be a bit racist. Yet, we see that they use the term regularly to refer to themselves, even having an event known as "Demon-con". Demons embrace the worst aspects of humanity, so of course they would use racist epithets, even ones they consider racist against themselves!
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* Michael making sure to introduce Tahani and "Jianyu" to Eleanor and Chidi right away is actually a brilliant bit of torture, by showing them a (seemingly) perfect couple and thus making both of them jealous and insecure.
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** You know that whole "easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter Heaven" thing? That's Brent, and we see exactly ''why'' it's so hard for a rich man to enter Heaven: he's completely blind to the privileges of his wealth. He congratulates himself for pulling himself up by his bootstraps in the same breath he brags about inheriting generational wealth, and he's so accustomed to being treated better than others on Earth that even ''paradise'' isn't enough for him, if it's the same paradise everyone else gets. He has no capacity to understand what a piece of shit he is because his money insulated him from ever having to find out.

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** Additionally, she always had a fear of someone she loves hurting her, which is why she kept people at a distance in life. However, she is ''forced'' to spend time with Chidi and the others, meaning that she didn't have the option to push them away.



*** Notably, though, the only four characters that get focus are ones who wouldn't think of this, because none of them ever ''had'' a soulmate on Earth! While Chidi and Eleanor may have been in some short-term relationships (and possibly Jason and Tahani as well, though there's no real indication either way), all of them were so lonely on Earth that they would have all greeted the idea of a perfect soulmate with enthusiasm.

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*** Notably, though, the only four characters that get focus are ones who wouldn't think of this, because none of them ever ''had'' a soulmate on Earth! While Chidi and Eleanor Eleanor, and possibly Jason (Tahani mentions in Season Two that she never even had any real friends until Jason), may have been in some short-term relationships (and possibly Jason and Tahani as well, though there's no real indication either way), relationships, all of them were so lonely on Earth that they would have all greeted the idea of a perfect soulmate with enthusiasm.


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* Here's a big one. Remember how many genocides there were during the 20th century? Remember all the Nazi concentration camps in particular? So you could spend a few years in the camps, die there...and then immediately go to the Bad Place. And spend the next ''several decades'' (or possibly even longer, depending on how exactly Jearimy Bearimy works down there) in the Bad Place. Being tortured for "crimes" you didn't even know were bad because the points system is so forked up. '''Yeesh.'''
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** The characters who do (and don't) figure out that they're in the Bad Place make perfect sense. Eleanor, for all her flaws, is very self-aware (in the very first episode she admits to being a trashbag from Arizona), and so she's the most willing to question why she supposedly belongs in the Good Place. The character with the next amount of self-awareness is Jason, who also figures out that they're in the Bad Place at least twice. Chidi never realizes how much his indecisiveness hurts himself and others, so he never figures out that he's in the Bad Place during the first go-around (the second time, when Eleanor was helping to run it, they almost had to spoon-feed it to him, and he'd also matured a fair amount, plus he'd been hanging out with Simone). However, he at least does realize that he has flaws, even if he blames it on drinking the wrong kind of milk. Tahani has the least amount of self-awareness of all of them, so she never figured out that she was in the Bad Place--indeed, she never even understood why she ought to be there until Michael spelled it out in Season Two.



** In addition, ridiculous things like having a Lord of the Rings themed wedding or being born in France can take away points. While it might make sense from the point of view of a supernatural being who does things ForTheLulz, it's also immensely cruel to every Tolkien fan, French person, etc. A supernatural being with no empathy for humans would never consider how unfair it is that just by ''being born and growing up in a particular country'' or having a themed wedding, you can doom yourself to eternal punishment.

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** In addition, ridiculous things like having a Lord of the Rings themed wedding or being born in France can take away points. While it might make sense from the point of view of a supernatural being who does things ForTheLulz, it's also immensely cruel to every Tolkien fan, French person, etc. A supernatural being with no empathy for humans would never consider how unfair it is that just by ''being born and growing up in a particular country'' or having a themed wedding, you can doom yourself to eternal punishment. Especially since these things have no particular moral value--it's not as if a human can automatically know that these things lose points, in the same way most humans understand murder, theft, etc to be bad.
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* While Doug Forcett cares a great deal about other humans, he seems even more passionate about helping animals and the environment. What was he reading during his intro scene? "The Most Good You Can Do" by Peter Singer, who's known for his animal rights activism.
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** Also, there's no way even the best-behaved child would have time to accrue nearly enough points to get into the Good Place if they died young. Does that mean ''every deceased child ever'' is doomed to the Bad Place?
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* In "Somewhere Else", a drunken Eleanor describes the plot of ''Film/KangarooJack'' to Michael (thankfully, almost entirely off-screen), then asks "Why did I tell you that?" ("It's unclear."). Most likely Michael, trying to plant the idea in Eleanor's head to go to Chidi, had asked her if she ever thought about going to Australia, where Chidi lives.

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* Michael tells Jason that he was "waiting for the sweet release of eternal extinction." This is based on the phrase "the sweet release of death", but it makes sense that Michael wouldn't say that, because he's an immortal being who can't die.



** Michael may not be aware of what happens if a Janet is rebooted, because it is extremely rare for a Janet to be rebooted in the first place. As Janet says, Janet is only supposed to be rebooted if she malfunctions and starts threatening the residents. In the bad place, that's not an issue that causes a Bad Janet to need rebooting, and most architects would ordinarily never need to reboot Janet.

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** Michael may not be aware of what happens if a Janet is rebooted, because it is extremely rare for a Janet to be rebooted in the first place. As Janet says, Janet is only supposed to be rebooted if she malfunctions and starts threatening the residents. In the bad place, Bad Place, that's not an issue that causes a Bad Janet to need rebooting, and most architects would ordinarily never need to reboot Janet.

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