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** In the opening, Joker hides among the bank robbers working for him. During the car chase scene, Gordon hides among the cops. There's a recurring theme of hiding things, all though the movie.
** In the opening, Joker hides among the bank robbers working for him. During the car chase scene, Gordon hides among the cops. There's a recurring theme of hiding things, all though the movie.
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* Hiding:
There is a recurring theme of hiding things, all throughout the movie:
** In the opening, Joker hides among the bank robbers working for him. During the car chase scene, Gordon hides among the cops.There's a recurring theme of hiding things, all though In each case not speaking or revealing themselves until the movie.end of the sequence.
** In the opening, Joker hides among the bank robbers working for him. During the car chase scene, Gordon hides among the cops.
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** It's even present in the ''first shot'' of the film. Remember the film starts with the Joker having his clown mask ''off''. He doesn't remove it at any point to put his makeup on during the opening sequence, with the conclusion being he had it on the entire time he was just standing there in the middle of the street, quite openly, for everyone to see his face. He is hiding right there in plain sight.
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** It's even present in the ''first shot'' of the film. Remember that the film starts with the Joker having his clown mask ''off''. ''off'' on the street corner, before being picked up by his fellow robbers. He doesn't remove it at any point to put his makeup on during the opening sequence, with the conclusion being that he had it on the entire time he time, and was just standing there in the middle of the street, quite openly, for everyone to see his face. He is hiding right there in plain sight.
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* The Joker and Bruce at the party:
** Many remember the scene of the Joker crashing Bruce's party, entering with: "Where. Is. Harvey. Dent?". However, shortly before that scene, where Bruce himself joins the party he asks "Where is Harvey-" and cuts off as he sees him, implying he may have been about to say Dent. Coincidence, or an attempt to draw parallels between Batman and Joker? Probably the former.
** Both of them show up late, make big dramatic entrances, surrounded by a group of people, and immediately ask where Harvey is. It's entirely to subtly show parallels, and the contrasts; both of them are costumed people, Batman works outside of the police to help them deal with an enemy who has them on the ropes, using theatricality and manipulating emotions to win, and the Joker does the exact same thing for the mob. In both cases each of them sees Harvey Dent as the person that will carry on their mission.
** Many remember the scene of the Joker crashing Bruce's party, entering with: "Where. Is. Harvey. Dent?". However, shortly before that scene, where Bruce himself joins the party he asks "Where is Harvey-" and cuts off as he sees him, implying he may have been about to say Dent. Coincidence, or an attempt to draw parallels between Batman and Joker? Probably the former.
** Both of them show up late, make big dramatic entrances, surrounded by a group of people, and immediately ask where Harvey is. It's entirely to subtly show parallels, and the contrasts; both of them are costumed people, Batman works outside of the police to help them deal with an enemy who has them on the ropes, using theatricality and manipulating emotions to win, and the Joker does the exact same thing for the mob. In both cases each of them sees Harvey Dent as the person that will carry on their mission.
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* The behavior and actions of the Joker and Bruce at the party:
party contain parallels which highlight their similarities and differences:
** Many remember the scene of the Joker crashing Bruce's party, entering with: "Where. Is. Harvey. Dent?". However, shortly before that scene, where Bruce himself joins the party he asks "Where is Harvey-" and cuts off as he sees him, implying he may have been about to say Dent.Coincidence, A coincidence, or an attempt to draw parallels between Batman and Joker? Probably the former.
** Both of them show up late,make big dramatic making big/dramatic entrances, surrounded by a group of people, and immediately ask where Harvey is. Only Bruce has supermodels to show off his playboy persona, while Joker has armed thugs in clown masks and paint. It's entirely to subtly show parallels, and the contrasts; both of them are costumed people, Batman works outside of the police to help them deal with an enemy who has them on the ropes, using theatricality and manipulating his enemies' emotions to win, and the Joker does the exact same thing for the mob. In both cases cases, each of them sees Harvey Dent as the person that will carry on their mission.mission; Bruce seeing him as the man who will bring justice to Gotham, Joker seeing him as the man whose fall will break Gotham's spirit.
** Many remember the scene of the Joker crashing Bruce's party, entering with: "Where. Is. Harvey. Dent?". However, shortly before that scene, where Bruce himself joins the party he asks "Where is Harvey-" and cuts off as he sees him, implying he may have been about to say Dent.
** Both of them show up late,
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** As well, in the history of literature, '"black knights" are often depicted as villains who hide their identities and commit misdeeds. By the end of the film, meanwhile, Batman is officially labelled an outlaw whose identity remains unknown to the public.
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** Alternatively, the series of events we see play out weren't the only, or even the best outcome the Joker had planned for. For instance, the best outcome for the Joker is either he kills Dent and moves on to whoever is next on his list, or corners Batman, and either kills him, or forces Batman to kill him, thus causing Batman to break his one rule. He was clearly not phased by being captured, especially once he saw who was arresting him, because he was so far ahead of everyone else, because he knew he was going to be able to get out of the holding cell.
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** Alternatively, the series of events we see play out weren't the only, or even the best outcome the Joker had planned for. For instance, the best outcome for the Joker is either he kills Dent and moves on to whoever is next on his list, or corners Batman, and either kills him, or forces Batman to kill him, thus causing Batman to break his one rule. He was clearly not phased by being captured, especially once he saw who was arresting him, because he was so far ahead of everyone else, because else he knew he was going to be able to get out of the holding cell.
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** Alternatively, the series of events we see play out weren't the only, or even the best outcome the Joker had planned for. For instance, the best outcome for the Joker is either he kills Dent and moves on to whoever is next on his list, or corners Batman, and either kills him, or forces Batman to kill him, thus causing Batman to break his one rule. He was clearly not phased by being captured, especially once he saw who was arresting him, because he was so far ahead of everyone else, because he knew he was going to be able to get out of the holding cell.
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** Furthermore, maybe the Joker just wants Batman to kill him because he gets the satisfaction of knowing that Batman is openly murdering somebody in public. Crime gets a lot scarier when the criminals know that Batman CAN in fact kill you. It takes away Batman's status as this larger than life character and no more than just another criminal. So again, the Joker wins.
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* Alfred explicitly calls the man who was raiding caravans and stealing gemstones in Burma a ''bandit'', not a thief. The implication is that this person was an absolute terror, attacking these settlements, destroying property, most likely murdering a lot of people in the process just to get at the treasure. The reveal that the bandit was simply throwing the gems away because he was raiding for fun means that Alfred catching him was more of a moral obligation than a matter of business or pride.
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** We can presume that Ginty (the convict who gets hold of the detonator on the prisoner boat) had very good reasons to suspect all this, having lived among criminals for a while, and therefore [[ExcellentJudgeOfCharacter knowing how criminals think]], unlike the citizens on the other boat, who probably took the Joker at his word. Ginty probably realized [[NoHonorAmongThieves there was no reason to believe the Joker would hold up his end of the deal]], and everyone’s lives were at the Joker’s mercy, who was free to [[MovingTheGoalposts walk back on it]] whether or not they complied. He rejected the offer [[ILied he would have likely been cheated out of]], and instead chose to FaceDeathWithDignity.
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** Another possibility to this scenario, even though it is in all likelihood that he's screwing with Batman more than anything by figuring he'll go after Rachel, is that he's also actively screwing with ''Harvey'' by mixing them up intentionally. Consider this: if Dent had died and not Rachel, it's a tragedy, yes, but Batman would have saved his girl and Dent would have been a martyr. Mixing it up so that Batman would have saved Harvey would not only hurt Batman, who The Joker by now has figured out has feelings for Rachel, but it would also break Harvey down further and bringing him even closer to losing his morality, especially since they were set up to hear one another and know that whoever was saved would have to live with knowing the other died.
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** Another possibility to this scenario, even though it is in all likelihood that he's screwing with Batman more than anything by figuring he'll go after Rachel, is that he's also actively screwing with ''Harvey'' by mixing them up intentionally. Consider this: if Dent had died and not Rachel, it's a tragedy, yes, but Batman would have saved his girl and Dent would have been a martyr. Mixing it up so that Batman would have saved Harvey would not only hurt Batman, who The Joker by now has figured out has feelings for Rachel, but it would also break Harvey down further and bringing him even closer to losing his morality, especially since they were set up to hear one another and know that whoever was saved would have to live with knowing the other died. Joker ''intentionally'' fed Batman the wrong info in order to ''keep Harvey Dent alive'' so that he could continue breaking them both down; Rachel was always going to die...
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** Another possibility to this scenario, even though it is in all likelihood that he's screwing with Batman more than anything by figuring he'll go after Rachel, is that he's also actively screwing with ''Harvey'' by mixing them up intentionally. Consider this: if Dent had died and not Rachel, it's a tragedy, yes, but Batman would have saved his girl and Dent would have been a martyr. Mixing it up so that Batman would have saved Harvey would not only hurt Batman, who The Joker by now has figured out has feelings for Rachel, but it would also break Harvey down further and bringing him even closer to losing his morality, especially since they were set up to hear one another and know that whoever was saved would have to live with knowing the other died.
