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* The Rev-9 suggesting, even asking, that Dani's defenders simply turn her over during the final battle may seem wildly out of character for a Terminator, but upon closer reflection, may make a degree of sense. Factors to consider: all of Dani's defenders are present, including the T-800, the augmented human, and the professional Terminator killer Sarah Connor. The combination may've seemed like too many variables to properly guarantee his targets death. In addition, one of which is a virtual unknown to the Rev-9 (Carl) and he may be trying a new tactic against it since his previous attempt to smash it had failed. Factor two, talking kept them all distracted, which could mean to further deterioration of the dam and thus danger to the environment (and thus, to Dani), and could even further run down the clock on Grace's augmentations, since she requires periodic upkeep. Machines never need rest, but the more they fought, the humans would. Talking at that point seems like a delaying tactic as well as a valid attempt to win over a potential fellow machine and even the odds, making it seem more viable of an option.

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* The Rev-9 suggesting, even asking, that Dani's defenders simply turn her over during the final battle may seem wildly out of character for a Terminator, but upon closer reflection, may make a degree of sense. Factors to consider: all of Dani's defenders are present, including the T-800, the augmented human, and the professional Terminator killer Sarah Connor. The combination may've may have seemed like too many variables to properly guarantee his targets death. In addition, one of which is a virtual unknown to the Rev-9 (Carl) and he may be trying a new tactic against it since his previous attempt to smash it had failed. Factor two, talking kept them all distracted, which could mean to further deterioration of the dam and thus danger to the environment (and thus, to Dani), and could even further run down the clock on Grace's augmentations, since she requires periodic upkeep. Machines never need rest, but the more they fought, the humans would. Talking at that point seems like a delaying tactic as well as a valid attempt to win over a potential fellow machine and even the odds, making it seem more viable of an option.


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* Carl tells Dani that when he's picking out drapes for a room, he prefers to focus on patterns and textures rather than simply relying on the right colour for the room. Since T-800s are technically colour-blind, it stands to reason that he'd notice these things more than the average human would.
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** Grace does tell Dani [[spoiler: while they are on the C-5 fleeing that ultimately she did lead the remnants of humanity to victory against Legion when she finally reveals to her that she will become the future leader of the Resistance. So while it is not said how long the war will last and what the ultimate cost will be, like the war against Skynet, humanity ultimately will triumph against Legion. Legion almost certainly sent the Rev-9 for the same reasons Skynet sent the T-800's and T-1000, namely to avert its inevitable defeat]].

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** Grace does tell Dani [[spoiler: while they are on the C-5 fleeing that ultimately she did lead the remnants of humanity to victory against Legion when she finally reveals to her that she will become the future leader of the Resistance. So while it is not said how long the war will last and what the ultimate cost will be, like the war against Skynet, humanity ultimately will triumph against Legion. Legion almost certainly sent the Rev-9 for the same reasons Skynet sent the T-800's T-[=800s=] and T-1000, namely to avert its inevitable defeat]].

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* The name Legion, directly gives the idea of how it operates, by sending Terminators that can split off into multiple units, as the Legion quote goes "for we are many"
** The name of the Terminator model is also a reference to a famous kind of creature, REV-9 = Revenant, which in myth is a relentless unliving creature, that never stops and immune to conventional weapons, as shown, unlike Skynet T-series Robots is fully true, REV-9 cannot be stopped conventionally.
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* Carl says his relationship with Alicia is not physical, even after 20 years. This raises the possibility that Alicia is either asexual or was so badly traumatised by her previous relationship that she's gone off sex forever. Either scenario raises the possibility that Mateo may have been conceived out of rape.
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* Before the gang leaves for the final battle against the Rev-9, Carl contemplates wearing [[CoolShades some sunglasses]], but decides against it. At first glance, an in-joke towards the early days of past ''Terminator'' films. But at a closer look, it’s a subtle sign of Carl letting go of [[spoiler:his tragic past over killing John]], as he wore them during that time. Also, even if he put it on, Sarah wouldn’t react in the best way.

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* Before the gang leaves for the final battle against the Rev-9, Carl contemplates wearing [[CoolShades some sunglasses]], but decides against it. At first glance, an in-joke towards the early days of past ''Terminator'' films. But at a closer look, it’s a subtle sign of Carl letting go of [[spoiler:his tragic past over killing John]], as he wore them during that time. Also, even if he put it them on, Sarah wouldn’t react in the best way.



** Grace does tell Dani [[spoiler: while they are on the C-5 fleeing that ultimately she did lead the remnants of humanity to victory against Legion when she finally reveals to her that she will become the future leader of the Resistance. So while it is not said how long the war will last and what the ultimate cost will be, like the war against Skynet humanity ultimately will triumph against Legion. Legion almost certainly sent the Rev-9 for the same reasons Skynet sent the T-800's and T-1000, namely to avert its inevitable defeat]].

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** Grace does tell Dani [[spoiler: while they are on the C-5 fleeing that ultimately she did lead the remnants of humanity to victory against Legion when she finally reveals to her that she will become the future leader of the Resistance. So while it is not said how long the war will last and what the ultimate cost will be, like the war against Skynet Skynet, humanity ultimately will triumph against Legion. Legion almost certainly sent the Rev-9 for the same reasons Skynet sent the T-800's and T-1000, namely to avert its inevitable defeat]].
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* Why does the Rev-9's endoskeleton look like that of the Skynet made Terminators? Because they're made to mimic human skeletons, which makes sense for something that's built to be an infiltrator. Since it will have to impersonate humans, having an endoskeleton with human bone structure helps sell the illusion.
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* How on Earth will Carl's family react when they'll find out he's dead? Especially considering that he saved them from an abusive ex-boyfriend and was nothing but a good husband and parent to them only to be (unknowingly for them) taken away from in the most badass and selfless but also ''horrific'' way possible. He did make a point of telling them he won't be coming back, but it would still be a pretty huge blow.

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* How on Earth will Carl's family react when they'll they find out he's dead? Especially considering that he saved them from an abusive ex-boyfriend and was nothing but a good husband and parent to them only to be (unknowingly for them) taken away from in the most badass and selfless but also ''horrific'' way possible. He did make a point of telling them he won't be coming back, but it would still be a pretty huge blow.
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** Grace does tell Dani [[spoiler: while they are on the C-5 fleeing that ultimately she did lead the remnants of humanity to victory against Legion when she finally reveals to her that she will become the future leader of the Resistance. So while it is not said how long the war will last and what the ultimate cost will be, like the war against Skynet humanity ultimately will triumph against Legion. Legion almost certainly sent the Rev-9 for the same reasons Skynet sent the T-800's and T-1000, namely to avert it's inevitable defeat]].

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** Grace does tell Dani [[spoiler: while they are on the C-5 fleeing that ultimately she did lead the remnants of humanity to victory against Legion when she finally reveals to her that she will become the future leader of the Resistance. So while it is not said how long the war will last and what the ultimate cost will be, like the war against Skynet humanity ultimately will triumph against Legion. Legion almost certainly sent the Rev-9 for the same reasons Skynet sent the T-800's and T-1000, namely to avert it's its inevitable defeat]].
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* The Rev-9 suggesting, even asking, that Dani's defenders simply turn her over during the final battle may seem wildly out of character for a Terminator, but upon closer reflection, may make a degree of sense. Factors to consider: all of Dani's defenders are present, including the T-800, the augmented human, and the professional Terminator killer Sarah Conner. The combination may've seemed like too many variables to properly guarantee his targets death. In addition, one of which is a virtual unknown to the Rev-9 (Carl) and he may be trying a new tactic against it since his previous attempt to smash it had failed. Factor two, talking kept them all distracted, which could mean to further deterioration of the dam and thus danger to the environment (and thus, to Dani), and could even further run down the clock on Grace's augmentations, since she requires periodic upkeep. Machines never need rest, but the more they fought, the humans would. Talking at that point seems like a delaying tactic as well as a valid attempt to win over a potential fellow machine and even the odds, making it seem more viable of an option.

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* The Rev-9 suggesting, even asking, that Dani's defenders simply turn her over during the final battle may seem wildly out of character for a Terminator, but upon closer reflection, may make a degree of sense. Factors to consider: all of Dani's defenders are present, including the T-800, the augmented human, and the professional Terminator killer Sarah Conner.Connor. The combination may've seemed like too many variables to properly guarantee his targets death. In addition, one of which is a virtual unknown to the Rev-9 (Carl) and he may be trying a new tactic against it since his previous attempt to smash it had failed. Factor two, talking kept them all distracted, which could mean to further deterioration of the dam and thus danger to the environment (and thus, to Dani), and could even further run down the clock on Grace's augmentations, since she requires periodic upkeep. Machines never need rest, but the more they fought, the humans would. Talking at that point seems like a delaying tactic as well as a valid attempt to win over a potential fellow machine and even the odds, making it seem more viable of an option.
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* Skynet sending back T-800s after its demise was a deliberate decision. If the first T-800 could be reverse-engineered into Skynet, then sending out more would make for good insurance.
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* The Rev-9 suggesting, even asking, that Dani's defenders simply turn her over during the final battle may seem wildly out of character for a Terminator, but upon closer reflection, may make a degree of sense. Factors to consider: all of Dani's defenders are present, including the T-800, the augmented human, and the professional Terminator killer Sarah Conner. The combination may've seemed like too many variables to properly guarantee his targets death. In addition, one of which is a virtual unknown to the Rev-9 (Carl) and he may be trying a new tactic against it since his previous attempt to smash it had failed. Factor two, talking kept them all distracted, which could mean to further deterioration of the dam and thus danger to the environment (and thus, to Dani), and could even further run down the clock on Grace's augmentations, since she requires periodic upkeep. Machines never need rest, but the more they fought, the humans would. Talking at that point seems like a delaying tactic as well as a valid attempt to win over a potential fellow machine and even the odds, making it seem more viable of an option.
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* Rev-9's VillainousBreakdown ensues [[spoiler:once Dani impales him in the eye with Grace's power source.]] He acts akin to how [[spoiler:a human does while being hit by a taser, and the most fatal place to tase a person is right in the eyeball. And since the eyes are connected into the human brain, the implications state that Grace's power source is sending its electrical currents ''directly into the Rev-9's CPU''.]]
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* Before the gang leaves for the final battle against the Rev-9, Carl contemplates wearing [[CoolShades some sunglasses]], but decides against it. At first glance, an in-joke towards the early days of past ''Terminator'' films. But at a closer look, it’s a subtle sign of Carl letting go of [[spoiler:his tragic past over killing John]]. Also, even if he put it on, Sarah wouldn’t react in the best way.

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* Before the gang leaves for the final battle against the Rev-9, Carl contemplates wearing [[CoolShades some sunglasses]], but decides against it. At first glance, an in-joke towards the early days of past ''Terminator'' films. But at a closer look, it’s a subtle sign of Carl letting go of [[spoiler:his tragic past over killing John]].John]], as he wore them during that time. Also, even if he put it on, Sarah wouldn’t react in the best way.
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** Grace does tell Dani [[spoiler: while they are on the C-5 fleeing that ultimately she did lead the remnants of humanity to victory against Legion when she finally reveals to her that she will become the future leader of the Resistance. So while it is not said how long the war will last and what the ultimate cost will be, like the war against Skynet humanity ultimately will triumph against Legion. Legion almost certainly sent the Rev-9 for the same reasons Skynet sent the T-800's and T-1000, namely to avert it's inevitable defeat]].


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* It is likely that Legion will send other terminators back through time to attempt to kill Dani, only this time she will not have [[spoiler: Grace or Carl]] to protect her.
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*[[spoiler: Legion is not/was not/cannot be stopped. There are several hints in the movie. First, Grace's tattoo that leads her to 'Carl' would only be placed if the resistance knew their rescue attempt would go bad. Secondly, during the war it is obvious that Dani realizes who Grace is (and who she will become) once she hears her name.]]
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* Before the gang leaves for the final battle against the Rev-9, Carl contemplates wearing [[CoolShades some sunglasses]], but decides against it. At first glance, an in-joke towards the early days of past ''Terminator'' films. But at a closer look, it’s a subtle sign that Carl didn’t want to be reminded of [[spoiler:his guilt over killing John]], and that Sarah wouldn’t react in the best way if he did put them on.

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* Before the gang leaves for the final battle against the Rev-9, Carl contemplates wearing [[CoolShades some sunglasses]], but decides against it. At first glance, an in-joke towards the early days of past ''Terminator'' films. But at a closer look, it’s a subtle sign that of Carl didn’t want to be reminded letting go of [[spoiler:his guilt tragic past over killing John]], and that John]]. Also, even if he put it on, Sarah wouldn’t react in the best way if he did put them on.way.
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* Before the gang leaves for the final battle against the Rev-9, Carl contemplates wearing [[CoolShades some sunglasses]], but decides against it. At first glance, an in-joke towards the early days of past ‘’Terminator’’ films. But at a closer look, it’s a subtle sign that Carl didn’t want to be reminded of [[spoiler:his guilt over killing John]], and that Sarah wouldn’t react in the best way if he did put them on.

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* Before the gang leaves for the final battle against the Rev-9, Carl contemplates wearing [[CoolShades some sunglasses]], but decides against it. At first glance, an in-joke towards the early days of past ‘’Terminator’’ ''Terminator'' films. But at a closer look, it’s a subtle sign that Carl didn’t want to be reminded of [[spoiler:his guilt over killing John]], and that Sarah wouldn’t react in the best way if he did put them on.



** Alternatively. A protector was sent to stop Carl, however Carl killed them offscreen.

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** Alternatively. A Alternatively, a protector was sent to stop Carl, however but Carl killed them offscreen.
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* No protector was sent to [[spoiler: protect John from "Carl". John sent protectors to counter every Terminator assassin that he knew about, but Future John would have never known about the successful assassination that occurred in a timeline where he and his resistance never needed to exist. Ironically, Skynet only succeeded in killing John because it no longer mattered if it did.

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* No protector was sent to [[spoiler: protect John from "Carl". John sent protectors to counter every Terminator assassin that he knew about, but Future John would have never known about the successful assassination that occurred in a timeline where he and his resistance never needed to exist. Ironically, Skynet only succeeded in killing John because it no longer mattered if it did.]]
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* No protector was sent to [[spoiler: protect John from "Carl". John sent protectors to counter every Terminator assassin that he knew about, but Future John would have never known about the successful assassination that occurred in a timeline where he and his resistance never needed to exist. Ironically, Skynet only succeeded in killing John because it no longer mattered if it did.]]

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* No protector was sent to [[spoiler: protect John from "Carl". John sent protectors to counter every Terminator assassin that he knew about, but Future John would have never known about the successful assassination that occurred in a timeline where he and his resistance never needed to exist. Ironically, Skynet only succeeded in killing John because it no longer mattered if it did.]]
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**Alternatively. A protector was sent to stop Carl, however Carl killed them offscreen.
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* The fact that no protector was sent to [[spoiler: protect John from "Carl". John sent protectors to counter every Terminator assassin that he knew about, but Future John would have never known about the successful assassination that occurred in a timeline where he and his resistance never needed to exist. Ironically, Skynet only succeeded in killing John because it no longer mattered if it did.]]

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* The fact Before the gang leaves for the final battle against the Rev-9, Carl contemplates wearing [[CoolShades some sunglasses]], but decides against it. At first glance, an in-joke towards the early days of past ‘’Terminator’’ films. But at a closer look, it’s a subtle sign that no Carl didn’t want to be reminded of [[spoiler:his guilt over killing John]], and that Sarah wouldn’t react in the best way if he did put them on.
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protector was sent to [[spoiler: protect John from "Carl". "Carl". John sent protectors to counter every Terminator assassin that he knew about, but Future John would have never known about the successful assassination that occurred in a timeline where he and his resistance never needed to exist. Ironically, Skynet only succeeded in killing John because it no longer mattered if it did.]]
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* The fact that no protector was sent to [[spoiler: protect John from "Carl". John sent protectors to counter every Terminator assassin that he knew about, but Future John would have never known about the successful assassination that occurred in a timeline where he and his resistance never needed to exist. Ironically, Skynet only succeeded in killing John because it no longer mattered if it did.]]
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* How on Earth will Carl's family react when they'll find out he's dead? Especially considering that he saved them from an abusive ex-boyfriend and was nothing but a good husband and parent to them only to be (for now unknowingly) taken away from in the most badass and selfless but also ''horrific'' way possible. He did make a point of telling them he won't be coming back, but it would still be a pretty huge blow.

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* How on Earth will Carl's family react when they'll find out he's dead? Especially considering that he saved them from an abusive ex-boyfriend and was nothing but a good husband and parent to them only to be (for now unknowingly) (unknowingly for them) taken away from in the most badass and selfless but also ''horrific'' way possible. He did make a point of telling them he won't be coming back, but it would still be a pretty huge blow.

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* How on Earth will Carl's family react when they'll find out he's dead? Especially considering that he saved them from an abusive ex-boyfriend and was nothing but a good husband and parent to them only to be (for now unknowingly) taken away from in the most badass and selfless but also ''horrific'' way possible.

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* How on Earth will Carl's family react when they'll find out he's dead? Especially considering that he saved them from an abusive ex-boyfriend and was nothing but a good husband and parent to them only to be (for now unknowingly) taken away from in the most badass and selfless but also ''horrific'' way possible. He did make a point of telling them he won't be coming back, but it would still be a pretty huge blow.
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* The best indicator that Carl really is reformed? He's got a pet [[EvilDetectingDog dog]].
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* How on Earth will Carl's family react when they'll find out he's dead? Especially considering that he saved them from an abusive ex-boyfriend and was nothing but a good husband and parent to them only to be (for now unknowingly) taken away from in the most badass and selfless but also ''horrific'' way possible.

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* How on Earth will Carl's family react when they'll find out he's dead? Especially considering that he saved them from an abusive ex-boyfriend and was nothing but a good husband and parent to them only to be (for now unknowingly) taken away from in the most badass and selfless but also ''horrific'' way possible.possible.
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* How on Earth will Carl's family react when they'll find out he's dead. Especially considering that he saved them from an abusive ex-boyfriend and was nothing but a good husband and parent to them.

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* How on Earth will Carl's family react when they'll find out he's dead. dead? Especially considering that he saved them from an abusive ex-boyfriend and was nothing but a good husband and parent to them.them only to be (for now unknowingly) taken away from in the most badass and selfless but also ''horrific'' way possible.
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* Grace says that she comes back from 2042 to protect Dani, but gives no indication that the war has stopped or that time travel was a last, desperate measure in order to get the machines to win. So there's still the distinct possibility that humanity could lose to the machines in this timeline.

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* Grace says that she comes back from 2042 to protect Dani, but gives no indication that the war has stopped or that time travel was a last, desperate measure in order to get the machines to win. So there's still the distinct possibility that humanity could lose to the machines in this timeline.timeline.
* How on Earth will Carl's family react when they'll find out he's dead. Especially considering that he saved them from an abusive ex-boyfriend and was nothing but a good husband and parent to them.
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* The fact that Carl [[spoiler: did what no other Terminator could and succeeded in killing John Connor]] truly proves that "[[ArcWords the future is not set]]".

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* The fact that Carl [[spoiler: did what no other Terminator could and succeeded in killing John Connor]] truly proves that "[[ArcWords the future is not set]]".set]]".

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* Grace says that she comes back from 2042 to protect Dani, but gives no indication that the war has stopped or that time travel was a last, desperate measure in order to get the machines to win. So there's still the distinct possibility that humanity could lose to the machines in this timeline.
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* The fact that Carl [[spoiler: did what no other Terminator could and succeeded in killing John Connor]] truly proves that "[[ArcWords the future is not set]]".

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